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RicFlair : 7/27/2020 9:12 am
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Shows you the odds the NFL is facing just getting out of training camp  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 10:47 am : link
let alone having a season with no bubble
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 10:47 am : link
like a potential "pause" is coming after the Yankees/Phillies cancelation news.
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RicFlair : 7/27/2020 10:47 am : link
Premier League didn’t have a bubble  
Oscar : 7/27/2020 10:48 am : link
But they did make some changes and had a lot of testing. The virus is also a lot more widespread in the US right now because we suck at this.
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UConn4523 : 7/27/2020 10:49 am : link
In comment 14939037 RicFlair said:
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Just sheer stupidity.
yeah see this only worked...  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 10:49 am : link
if teams and the leagues did all the right things. Its clear that wont be the case. I think NHL and NBA will be ok in their bubble since they will be able to limit positives even from the idiots and hopefully catch them as they return and quarantine them immediately.
RE: Blame  
Eric on Li : 7/27/2020 10:50 am : link
In comment 14939021 DanMetroMan said:
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MLB. Using a bubble was the only way this was ever going to work. EPL succesfully pulled off an entire season. NBA so far so good.


Bingo. Add it to the list of things MLB botched during their 2-3 month non-negotiation, when the NBA and NHL put together far superior plans. In addition to the EPL there are a bunch of baseball roadmaps to follow from other leagues, but I suppose MLB couldn't even copy/iterate competently. Emblematic of the entire response here.

Also I almost completely agree with nygiants16. Seeing how kids have handled this gives hope that we can adapt to have an almost normal despite the behavior of so many supposed adults/leaders providing the exact opposite. Someone needs to dust off the "It's so easy a kid can do it" commercials.
Carig  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 10:51 am : link
says both Yankees and Phillies players felt unsafe, and thus the cancelation of today's game. Not sure what the next step is. On it's face all teams playing in a handful of stadiums likely made the most sense but even then I'm not sure it would have avoided this.
RE: nygiants16  
mfsd : 7/27/2020 10:52 am : link
In comment 14939000 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...


SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
Passan  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 10:52 am : link
says the Marlins tested employees came back with a 33% positive rate. That's pretty wild.
RE: Premier League didn’t have a bubble  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 10:54 am : link
In comment 14939039 Oscar said:
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But they did make some changes and had a lot of testing. The virus is also a lot more widespread in the US right now because we suck at this.


Project Restart (Premier League) succeeded because there was far lower spread of coronavirus in the UK. They handled the outbreak better than the US did
RE: yeah see this only worked...  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14939043 Italianju said:
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if teams and the leagues did all the right things. Its clear that wont be the case. I think NHL and NBA will be ok in their bubble since they will be able to limit positives even from the idiots and hopefully catch them as they return and quarantine them immediately.


Definitely agree that the NHL and NBA have a chance to finish their seasons in the bubble, but the bubble was an option because their seasons were nearly complete. The NHL decided to skip the rest of their regular season and go right to the playoffs while the NBA decided to hold a few "seeding games" (basically warmup scrimmages that count) before their playoffs begin
No  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 10:56 am : link
plans to cancel other games today. Presumably they are going to have to find a way to have multiple double headers throughout the season ( I know they wanted to avoid this) but it's doubtful this will be the only time a game is canceled and the league is apparently discussing what to do about stadiums with outbreaks. They didn't want the Blue Jays to play in "sub MLB lighting" but they are going to have to consider minor league parks as part of this "plan".
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Carson53 : 7/27/2020 10:57 am : link
In comment 14939037 RicFlair said:
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If it is true that they knew tests were positive before the game on Sunday...that is very very irresponsible by their
players. It doesn't matter if they thought they were asymptomatic, you just can't do that for this to have any
chance of working. Another outbreak by another team,
could cause the whole process to blow up!
For now..  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 10:57 am : link
with the amount of cases in this country these sports would only work in a bubble. You cant control thousands of people. And when you start factoring players, team employees, friends/family that those players and employees see, etc.. it just doesnt work. Way way way too many variables to control. But hey at least instead of figuring out the logistics over the course of months MLB and MLBPA fought over money and eventually the players just got forced to play by the owners anyway.
RE: how hard is it  
widmerseyebrow : 7/27/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 14938959 nygiants16 said:
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when you are home jist stay home? When you go to the grocery store wear a mask, do not talk to anyone get in and go home?

What is the need to go strip clubs and parties?


Explain that to a large chunk of America. Strip clubs and parties make for good stories, but really we're talking about any tight indoor space where people are congregating.
Doubt  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 10:59 am : link
it would have made a difference but how did MLB not mandate players wear masks?
RE: No  
Carson53 : 7/27/2020 11:00 am : link
In comment 14939055 DanMetroMan said:
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plans to cancel other games today. Presumably they are going to have to find a way to have multiple double headers throughout the season ( I know they wanted to avoid this) but it's doubtful this will be the only time a game is canceled and the league is apparently discussing what to do about stadiums with outbreaks. They didn't want the Blue Jays to play in "sub MLB lighting" but they are going to have to consider minor league parks as part of this "plan".
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Yeah, they might have to play some doubleheaders.
They should go the 7 inning route for game 2, like in the minors maybe?
maybe MLB...  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 11:00 am : link
consulted with i guess Aubrey Huff on Covid guidelines???
MLB might have messed up by not going into a few bubbles  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 11:00 am : link
You could have pulled off 3-6 bubbles in areas where the COVID spread rate isn't as high. MLB tried to do what the EPL did but it failed because COVID spread in the US is far greater than in the UK. No coincidence that a Florida based team (Marlins) got hit first because Florida is one of the US epicenters of the outbreak. It's highly likely the Marlins were just going about their business and taking as many precautions as possible, but still got unlucky because the virus is so out of control in FL
RE: what a mess...  
ron mexico : 7/27/2020 11:01 am : link
In comment 14938966 Italianju said:
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Premier league got through like half a season with travel and barely a case. MLB cant get through a week without having to cancel a game.

Like an idiot i thought everyone involved would take this so seriously that once we got the ball rolling sports would be fine. The leagues would pump tons of money into keeping the players safe. But you can do all that, setup a bubble with all the tech that the NBA used and still end up screwed when an idiot decides to go to a strip club (for wings, its his favorite wing place, i believe him).

Sports like MLB and NFL where the players will go home to their families who are doing god knows what are in trouble.


Its all about levels of spread in the area. Europe took care of its shit. Certain regions of the USA did not and this is the result.

Its comfortable to lay the blame on one or a few people, but the problem is much much bigger.
I'm still skeptical about the NBA even  
widmerseyebrow : 7/27/2020 11:03 am : link
All it takes is one or two key players going out for an extended period to wreck the playoffs.
RE: yep  
M.S. : 7/27/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 14938955 giantfan2000 said:
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this is why NFL is doomed as well

I'm afraid so. The odds of the NFL starting/completing an entire season are nil IMO.
maybe this will end up being a positive for MLB...  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 11:05 am : link
cancelling a couple games and the risk to so many players might be the kind of thing to get everyone to take this more seriously. I mean how many people will lose how many millions of dollars if in two weeks the season is cancelled.
The season ain't over until the fat lady sings  
M.S. : 7/27/2020 11:06 am : link

But it sure sounds like she's warming up real fast.

RE: I'm still skeptical about the NBA even  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14939066 widmerseyebrow said:
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All it takes is one or two key players going out for an extended period to wreck the playoffs.


Yep, the NBA and NHL had great, well thought-out plans for their restarts but they could still get an outbreak if the bubble gets broken by someone pulling what Lou Williams reportedly did and what Porzingis and Millsap did by not getting a daily test
the 1 big positive to this happening is awareness and education  
Eric on Li : 7/27/2020 11:06 am : link
perhaps now people will realize asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) spread is a real thing that can't just be played through.

sports leagues and players will hopefully realize how careful they need to be and teams will realize how quickly mistakes can turn into a team wide outbreak. Hopefully there's time for adjustments to be made.

and hopefully there will be renewed energy into continued improvement of the testing situation which is insanely crappy even for sports leagues likely investing millions privately in the best facilities they can.

perhaps all of that will be at MLB's expense and if so maybe it will have been worth it even if the season gets cancelled. It will be if it wises people up enough to listen to the experts more.
and MLB should send anyone who doesnt think this is...  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 11:07 am : link
a big deal cause they are young and in shape to go talk to Freddie Freeman. Hearing him talk about his bout with covid was pretty scary.
Unfortunately  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 11:07 am : link
it's logistically close to impossible but imagine being able to dip into your entire organization to fortify the roster. 2020 HS picks (kids picked this month!) pitching in the bigs?
NBA is going to be fine  
GGGGmen : 7/27/2020 11:08 am : link
they are basically living inside a fancy hospital. Daily testing, monitoring and strict containment parameters are in place.

for MLB and NFL there are none of these being implemented
RE: RE: nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/27/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 14939049 mfsd said:
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Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...



SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.


This is my week in the office. Some people are good with masks, some aren't. I mask up, lather up with hand sanitizer. Others don't. This is the nature of the beast we're dealing with. Some are really good, some aren't. We're dealing with people. It's as simple as that. In an ideal world, everyone would mask up & we could kick COVID's ass, but it's not realistic unfortunately.

And I don't see how the NFL gets off. Guys breathing, sweating over each other for 60 minutes? But the NFL is focused on the important issues, like no jersey swaps after the game...Haha.
RE: NBA is going to be fine  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 14939076 GGGGmen said:
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they are basically living inside a fancy hospital. Daily testing, monitoring and strict containment parameters are in place.

for MLB and NFL there are none of these being implemented


The NBA doesn't have all the equipment required inside the bubble to treat serious injuries. Players who get hurt badly enough to have to get an MRI reportedly have to leave the bubble because I don't think there's an actual hospital on the Wide World of Sports campus
RE: RE: RE: nygiants16  
RicFlair : 7/27/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14939078 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 14939049 mfsd said:


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In comment 14939000 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...



SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.



This is my week in the office. Some people are good with masks, some aren't. I mask up, lather up with hand sanitizer. Others don't. This is the nature of the beast we're dealing with. Some are really good, some aren't. We're dealing with people. It's as simple as that. In an ideal world, everyone would mask up & we could kick COVID's ass, but it's not realistic unfortunately.

And I don't see how the NFL gets off. Guys breathing, sweating over each other for 60 minutes? But the NFL is focused on the important issues, like no jersey swaps after the game...Haha.



NFLs plan is like wearing a condom throughout dinner and taking it off for the sex.
and if said player  
GGGGmen : 7/27/2020 11:12 am : link
needs to go off campus for an MRI they will get tested daily in quarantine before they are cleared to go near another person.
im sure the NBA has factored that in....  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 11:12 am : link
its probably team or NBA medical people transporting the player to a hospital. That player will then im sure be tested and even quarantined before returning to the bubble, if they are able to return (if the injury isnt serious). Its not like the guy has to call an uber to take him to an MRI machine inside a walmart with a strip club attached to it.
RE: and if said player  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14939083 GGGGmen said:
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needs to go off campus for an MRI they will get tested daily in quarantine before they are cleared to go near another person.


That's the best the NBA could do because it wasn't in the cards for the Orlando, Florida community to move essential resources for fighting COVID from the community into the bubble. Hopefully it works
Moronic-  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 11:14 am : link

Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
Expert weighs in  
RicFlair : 7/27/2020 11:14 am : link
“ MIAMI MARLINS YOU BE RESPONSIBLE OTHERWISE I BREAK YOUR FUCKING NECK”
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RE: Moronic-  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/27/2020 11:16 am : link
In comment 14939090 DanMetroMan said:
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Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.


So they knew guys were sick & then held a player's meeting? Like...WTF?
Adios  
Ron Johnson : 7/27/2020 11:16 am : link
Baseball
RE: Moronic-  
BillKo : 7/27/2020 11:17 am : link
In comment 14939090 DanMetroMan said:
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Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.


There ya go, let the experts decide what is best. Everyone thinks they are.

WTF.
RE: Moronic-  
dpinzow : 7/27/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 14939090 DanMetroMan said:
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Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.


How on earth could they have gone ahead with the game? If I were on the Phillies I'd be pissed right now
yeah i wonder how many PHI....  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 11:20 am : link
players are going nuts right now. I would be beyond furious.
RE: RE: Moronic-  
BillKo : 7/27/2020 11:22 am : link
In comment 14939098 dpinzow said:
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In comment 14939090 DanMetroMan said:


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Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.



How on earth could they have gone ahead with the game? If I were on the Phillies I'd be pissed right now


Is this any different than what we see around the nation? I mean MLB has explicit rules obviously which obviously weren't followed....but again, this is what we see from people. A blatant disregard - which is going to have this most likely stick around longer than we want.

This Marlins decision is just a microcosm of our society.
RE: yeah i wonder how many PHI....  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 11:26 am : link
In comment 14939099 Italianju said:
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players are going nuts right now. I would be beyond furious.


Imagine what's going through Zack Wheeler's mind? His wife gave birth to twins 10 days ago.
RE: yeah i wonder how many PHI....  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 11:26 am : link
In comment 14939099 Italianju said:
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players are going nuts right now. I would be beyond furious.


hopefully all of their tests today come back negative
there needs to be a 3rd party making this call  
UConn4523 : 7/27/2020 11:27 am : link
it shouldn't be up to the teams or MLB, just like concussions in Football.

This is like basic 101 level shit that's already turning into an issue.
gee Florida is a shit show filled with dumb fucks...  
Torrag : 7/27/2020 11:28 am : link
let's all go to the beach together. Really no surprise after watching how they handled this. Stupid fucks.



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RicFlair : 7/27/2020 11:29 am : link
Replace “players” with “students” and “coaches” with “teachers” and the fact that they wouldn’t have their tests back so quickly.





Yikes. 
I honestly think Mattingly should be fired  
UConn4523 : 7/27/2020 11:30 am : link
you cannot run a team like this, or let the players make this call. Just a complete lack of awareness and if they really want people to take it seriously, drop the hammer.
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