if teams and the leagues did all the right things. Its clear that wont be the case. I think NHL and NBA will be ok in their bubble since they will be able to limit positives even from the idiots and hopefully catch them as they return and quarantine them immediately.
MLB. Using a bubble was the only way this was ever going to work. EPL succesfully pulled off an entire season. NBA so far so good.
Bingo. Add it to the list of things MLB botched during their 2-3 month non-negotiation, when the NBA and NHL put together far superior plans. In addition to the EPL there are a bunch of baseball roadmaps to follow from other leagues, but I suppose MLB couldn't even copy/iterate competently. Emblematic of the entire response here.
Also I almost completely agree with nygiants16. Seeing how kids have handled this gives hope that we can adapt to have an almost normal despite the behavior of so many supposed adults/leaders providing the exact opposite. Someone needs to dust off the "It's so easy a kid can do it" commercials.
says both Yankees and Phillies players felt unsafe, and thus the cancelation of today's game. Not sure what the next step is. On it's face all teams playing in a handful of stadiums likely made the most sense but even then I'm not sure it would have avoided this.
Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...
SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
But they did make some changes and had a lot of testing. The virus is also a lot more widespread in the US right now because we suck at this.
Project Restart (Premier League) succeeded because there was far lower spread of coronavirus in the UK. They handled the outbreak better than the US did
if teams and the leagues did all the right things. Its clear that wont be the case. I think NHL and NBA will be ok in their bubble since they will be able to limit positives even from the idiots and hopefully catch them as they return and quarantine them immediately.
Definitely agree that the NHL and NBA have a chance to finish their seasons in the bubble, but the bubble was an option because their seasons were nearly complete. The NHL decided to skip the rest of their regular season and go right to the playoffs while the NBA decided to hold a few "seeding games" (basically warmup scrimmages that count) before their playoffs begin
plans to cancel other games today. Presumably they are going to have to find a way to have multiple double headers throughout the season ( I know they wanted to avoid this) but it's doubtful this will be the only time a game is canceled and the league is apparently discussing what to do about stadiums with outbreaks. They didn't want the Blue Jays to play in "sub MLB lighting" but they are going to have to consider minor league parks as part of this "plan".
If it is true that they knew tests were positive before the game on Sunday...that is very very irresponsible by their
players. It doesn't matter if they thought they were asymptomatic, you just can't do that for this to have any
chance of working. Another outbreak by another team,
could cause the whole process to blow up!
with the amount of cases in this country these sports would only work in a bubble. You cant control thousands of people. And when you start factoring players, team employees, friends/family that those players and employees see, etc.. it just doesnt work. Way way way too many variables to control. But hey at least instead of figuring out the logistics over the course of months MLB and MLBPA fought over money and eventually the players just got forced to play by the owners anyway.
when you are home jist stay home? When you go to the grocery store wear a mask, do not talk to anyone get in and go home?
What is the need to go strip clubs and parties?
Explain that to a large chunk of America. Strip clubs and parties make for good stories, but really we're talking about any tight indoor space where people are congregating.
plans to cancel other games today. Presumably they are going to have to find a way to have multiple double headers throughout the season ( I know they wanted to avoid this) but it's doubtful this will be the only time a game is canceled and the league is apparently discussing what to do about stadiums with outbreaks. They didn't want the Blue Jays to play in "sub MLB lighting" but they are going to have to consider minor league parks as part of this "plan".
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Yeah, they might have to play some doubleheaders.
They should go the 7 inning route for game 2, like in the minors maybe?
You could have pulled off 3-6 bubbles in areas where the COVID spread rate isn't as high. MLB tried to do what the EPL did but it failed because COVID spread in the US is far greater than in the UK. No coincidence that a Florida based team (Marlins) got hit first because Florida is one of the US epicenters of the outbreak. It's highly likely the Marlins were just going about their business and taking as many precautions as possible, but still got unlucky because the virus is so out of control in FL
Premier league got through like half a season with travel and barely a case. MLB cant get through a week without having to cancel a game.
Like an idiot i thought everyone involved would take this so seriously that once we got the ball rolling sports would be fine. The leagues would pump tons of money into keeping the players safe. But you can do all that, setup a bubble with all the tech that the NBA used and still end up screwed when an idiot decides to go to a strip club (for wings, its his favorite wing place, i believe him).
Sports like MLB and NFL where the players will go home to their families who are doing god knows what are in trouble.
Its all about levels of spread in the area. Europe took care of its shit. Certain regions of the USA did not and this is the result.
Its comfortable to lay the blame on one or a few people, but the problem is much much bigger.
cancelling a couple games and the risk to so many players might be the kind of thing to get everyone to take this more seriously. I mean how many people will lose how many millions of dollars if in two weeks the season is cancelled.
All it takes is one or two key players going out for an extended period to wreck the playoffs.
Yep, the NBA and NHL had great, well thought-out plans for their restarts but they could still get an outbreak if the bubble gets broken by someone pulling what Lou Williams reportedly did and what Porzingis and Millsap did by not getting a daily test
the 1 big positive to this happening is awareness and education
perhaps now people will realize asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) spread is a real thing that can't just be played through.
sports leagues and players will hopefully realize how careful they need to be and teams will realize how quickly mistakes can turn into a team wide outbreak. Hopefully there's time for adjustments to be made.
and hopefully there will be renewed energy into continued improvement of the testing situation which is insanely crappy even for sports leagues likely investing millions privately in the best facilities they can.
perhaps all of that will be at MLB's expense and if so maybe it will have been worth it even if the season gets cancelled. It will be if it wises people up enough to listen to the experts more.
and MLB should send anyone who doesnt think this is...
it's logistically close to impossible but imagine being able to dip into your entire organization to fortify the roster. 2020 HS picks (kids picked this month!) pitching in the bigs?
Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...
SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
This is my week in the office. Some people are good with masks, some aren't. I mask up, lather up with hand sanitizer. Others don't. This is the nature of the beast we're dealing with. Some are really good, some aren't. We're dealing with people. It's as simple as that. In an ideal world, everyone would mask up & we could kick COVID's ass, but it's not realistic unfortunately.
And I don't see how the NFL gets off. Guys breathing, sweating over each other for 60 minutes? But the NFL is focused on the important issues, like no jersey swaps after the game...Haha.
they are basically living inside a fancy hospital. Daily testing, monitoring and strict containment parameters are in place.
for MLB and NFL there are none of these being implemented
The NBA doesn't have all the equipment required inside the bubble to treat serious injuries. Players who get hurt badly enough to have to get an MRI reportedly have to leave the bubble because I don't think there's an actual hospital on the Wide World of Sports campus
Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...
SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
This is my week in the office. Some people are good with masks, some aren't. I mask up, lather up with hand sanitizer. Others don't. This is the nature of the beast we're dealing with. Some are really good, some aren't. We're dealing with people. It's as simple as that. In an ideal world, everyone would mask up & we could kick COVID's ass, but it's not realistic unfortunately.
And I don't see how the NFL gets off. Guys breathing, sweating over each other for 60 minutes? But the NFL is focused on the important issues, like no jersey swaps after the game...Haha.
NFLs plan is like wearing a condom throughout dinner and taking it off for the sex.
its probably team or NBA medical people transporting the player to a hospital. That player will then im sure be tested and even quarantined before returning to the bubble, if they are able to return (if the injury isnt serious). Its not like the guy has to call an uber to take him to an MRI machine inside a walmart with a strip club attached to it.
needs to go off campus for an MRI they will get tested daily in quarantine before they are cleared to go near another person.
That's the best the NBA could do because it wasn't in the cards for the Orlando, Florida community to move essential resources for fighting COVID from the community into the bubble. Hopefully it works
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
So they knew guys were sick & then held a player's meeting? Like...WTF?
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
There ya go, let the experts decide what is best. Everyone thinks they are.
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
How on earth could they have gone ahead with the game? If I were on the Phillies I'd be pissed right now
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
How on earth could they have gone ahead with the game? If I were on the Phillies I'd be pissed right now
Is this any different than what we see around the nation? I mean MLB has explicit rules obviously which obviously weren't followed....but again, this is what we see from people. A blatant disregard - which is going to have this most likely stick around longer than we want.
This Marlins decision is just a microcosm of our society.
you cannot run a team like this, or let the players make this call. Just a complete lack of awareness and if they really want people to take it seriously, drop the hammer.
Just sheer stupidity.
Bingo. Add it to the list of things MLB botched during their 2-3 month non-negotiation, when the NBA and NHL put together far superior plans. In addition to the EPL there are a bunch of baseball roadmaps to follow from other leagues, but I suppose MLB couldn't even copy/iterate competently. Emblematic of the entire response here.
Also I almost completely agree with nygiants16. Seeing how kids have handled this gives hope that we can adapt to have an almost normal despite the behavior of so many supposed adults/leaders providing the exact opposite. Someone needs to dust off the "It's so easy a kid can do it" commercials.
SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
Project Restart (Premier League) succeeded because there was far lower spread of coronavirus in the UK. They handled the outbreak better than the US did
Definitely agree that the NHL and NBA have a chance to finish their seasons in the bubble, but the bubble was an option because their seasons were nearly complete. The NHL decided to skip the rest of their regular season and go right to the playoffs while the NBA decided to hold a few "seeding games" (basically warmup scrimmages that count) before their playoffs begin
If it is true that they knew tests were positive before the game on Sunday...that is very very irresponsible by their
players. It doesn't matter if they thought they were asymptomatic, you just can't do that for this to have any
chance of working. Another outbreak by another team,
could cause the whole process to blow up!
What is the need to go strip clubs and parties?
Explain that to a large chunk of America. Strip clubs and parties make for good stories, but really we're talking about any tight indoor space where people are congregating.
Yeah, they might have to play some doubleheaders.
They should go the 7 inning route for game 2, like in the minors maybe?
Like an idiot i thought everyone involved would take this so seriously that once we got the ball rolling sports would be fine. The leagues would pump tons of money into keeping the players safe. But you can do all that, setup a bubble with all the tech that the NBA used and still end up screwed when an idiot decides to go to a strip club (for wings, its his favorite wing place, i believe him).
Sports like MLB and NFL where the players will go home to their families who are doing god knows what are in trouble.
Its all about levels of spread in the area. Europe took care of its shit. Certain regions of the USA did not and this is the result.
Its comfortable to lay the blame on one or a few people, but the problem is much much bigger.
I'm afraid so. The odds of the NFL starting/completing an entire season are nil IMO.
But it sure sounds like she's warming up real fast.
Yep, the NBA and NHL had great, well thought-out plans for their restarts but they could still get an outbreak if the bubble gets broken by someone pulling what Lou Williams reportedly did and what Porzingis and Millsap did by not getting a daily test
sports leagues and players will hopefully realize how careful they need to be and teams will realize how quickly mistakes can turn into a team wide outbreak. Hopefully there's time for adjustments to be made.
and hopefully there will be renewed energy into continued improvement of the testing situation which is insanely crappy even for sports leagues likely investing millions privately in the best facilities they can.
perhaps all of that will be at MLB's expense and if so maybe it will have been worth it even if the season gets cancelled. It will be if it wises people up enough to listen to the experts more.
for MLB and NFL there are none of these being implemented
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Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...
SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
This is my week in the office. Some people are good with masks, some aren't. I mask up, lather up with hand sanitizer. Others don't. This is the nature of the beast we're dealing with. Some are really good, some aren't. We're dealing with people. It's as simple as that. In an ideal world, everyone would mask up & we could kick COVID's ass, but it's not realistic unfortunately.
And I don't see how the NFL gets off. Guys breathing, sweating over each other for 60 minutes? But the NFL is focused on the important issues, like no jersey swaps after the game...Haha.
for MLB and NFL there are none of these being implemented
The NBA doesn't have all the equipment required inside the bubble to treat serious injuries. Players who get hurt badly enough to have to get an MRI reportedly have to leave the bubble because I don't think there's an actual hospital on the Wide World of Sports campus
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Because you're thinking reasonably & responsibly. Not everyone thinks like that. I hate the say 'it is what it is', but it applies here. Some people are going to do what they want, regardless of how it might impact others. I know that's not breaking news...
SFGF - I was disagreeing with you on another thread about risk of cancelling season. Have to therefore acknowledge this is bad news. I'm holding out hope they can contain this shit and other teams/players will learn lessons...but not nearly as optimistic as I was Friday or whenever it was.
This is my week in the office. Some people are good with masks, some aren't. I mask up, lather up with hand sanitizer. Others don't. This is the nature of the beast we're dealing with. Some are really good, some aren't. We're dealing with people. It's as simple as that. In an ideal world, everyone would mask up & we could kick COVID's ass, but it's not realistic unfortunately.
And I don't see how the NFL gets off. Guys breathing, sweating over each other for 60 minutes? But the NFL is focused on the important issues, like no jersey swaps after the game...Haha.
NFLs plan is like wearing a condom throughout dinner and taking it off for the sex.
That's the best the NBA could do because it wasn't in the cards for the Orlando, Florida community to move essential resources for fighting COVID from the community into the bubble. Hopefully it works
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/1287767730528104448?s=21 - ( New Window )
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
So they knew guys were sick & then held a player's meeting? Like...WTF?
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
There ya go, let the experts decide what is best. Everyone thinks they are.
WTF.
Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
How on earth could they have gone ahead with the game? If I were on the Phillies I'd be pissed right now
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Matt Breen
@matt_breen
The Marlins learned before Sunday’s game that three players had tested positive for COVID-19. So they held a player’s meeting to decide if they should play against the Phillies. Can’t find that protocol in MLB’s 101-page manual.
How on earth could they have gone ahead with the game? If I were on the Phillies I'd be pissed right now
Is this any different than what we see around the nation? I mean MLB has explicit rules obviously which obviously weren't followed....but again, this is what we see from people. A blatant disregard - which is going to have this most likely stick around longer than we want.
This Marlins decision is just a microcosm of our society.
Imagine what's going through Zack Wheeler's mind? His wife gave birth to twins 10 days ago.
hopefully all of their tests today come back negative
This is like basic 101 level shit that's already turning into an issue.
Yikes.