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RicFlair : 7/27/2020 9:12 am
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I won't comment much becasue the thread will wind up deleted  
arniefez : 7/27/2020 4:30 pm : link
it's headed that way anyway.

But those Canadians look pretty smart about now don't they?

Plus I would have never guessed that Bettman would ever rise to the level of 2nd best sports commissioner.

Impressive job by Manfred being even worse than Selig. Not easy to pull off.
This is going to go on for a while. Other teams will have outbreaks.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/27/2020 7:31 pm : link
Some teams will have to shut down. Large blocks of games will have to be postponed. More players will opt out.

As long as there are a few games a day to put on TV, the season won't stop. But I would expect the playoffs to be late, and to be held in a bubble somewhere. They'll be late because it'll take a couple of extra weeks to play the makeup games, while in the meantime, some teams go right into quarantine ahead of the bubble
I can’t link it  
BigBlueShock : 7/27/2020 7:52 pm : link
Because it’s a pay site but the Athletic has an article today suggesting the Phillies were concerned all weekend because the Marlins were not following proper protocols from the time they arrived in Philly. They didn’t stagger their arrivals and not many were wearing masks in the dugout at all. Not good
It's just a microcosm of a not insignificant portion  
kicker : 7/27/2020 7:54 pm : link
of the population that receives positive tests and continues to go out and enjoy social gatherings...
Azul...you realize those numbers don't mean anything until COVID  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/27/2020 8:36 pm : link
has run its course. We are still in the early innings here as far as how much of the population has had it.
I seriously think we need to start teaching Stat in high schools  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/27/2020 8:37 pm : link
instead of shit like Alegraba 2. It would be far more useful in your average person's life.
NFL can pack it in  
KWALL2 : 7/27/2020 9:50 pm : link
The Jets made a great trade. Picked up draft picks for a guy who won’t be playing this year. Nobody will.

They can’t get baseball going for 1 week. Football has no chance. They won’t be able to play. How do you handle it when several teams can’t send out an OL? Or when the QBs test positive?

We won’t have football in 2020. No NFL. No college. No HS.

RE: I can’t link it  
section125 : 7/27/2020 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14939526 BigBlueShock said:
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Because it’s a pay site but the Athletic has an article today suggesting the Phillies were concerned all weekend because the Marlins were not following proper protocols from the time they arrived in Philly. They didn’t stagger their arrivals and not many were wearing masks in the dugout at all. Not good


Besides coaches and Frazer, did you see any Yankees wearing masks...?
RE: RE: I can’t link it  
BigBlueShock : 7/28/2020 9:02 am : link
In comment 14939624 section125 said:
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In comment 14939526 BigBlueShock said:


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Because it’s a pay site but the Athletic has an article today suggesting the Phillies were concerned all weekend because the Marlins were not following proper protocols from the time they arrived in Philly. They didn’t stagger their arrivals and not many were wearing masks in the dugout at all. Not good



Besides coaches and Frazer, did you see any Yankees wearing masks...?

You’re trying to make an argument where there isn’t one. Not wearing a mask in the dugout is a league wide issue. The reason the Phillies are upset about the Marlins in this instance is because they KNEW they had several positives on their team and were waiting on results for others (which also turned out positive). Hell, they had a team meeting about it to discuss whether to play or not.

I didn’t write the article, I was just passing it along.
I just don't get why it's up to the players to decide  
Bill L : 7/28/2020 9:06 am : link
if the game should be played. That doesn't seem right.
RE: I just don't get why it's up to the players to decide  
UConn4523 : 7/28/2020 9:14 am : link
In comment 14939726 Bill L said:
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if the game should be played. That doesn't seem right.


There should be a 3rd party involved and they should provide a recommendation based on the status of the team. If the 3rd party feels like they shouldn't play, then cancel the games. If they feel like its ok to play then it should go to the team/players to approve.

But players shouldn't have a say at all if its considered unsafe. Mattingly really shit the bed here (along with their GM I would imagine).
well i guess the silver lining in the postponed Orioles/Marlins games  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 9:48 am : link
is its unlikely they'll need to reschedule them. Even with 16 playoff teams its hard to imagine either team is within 2 games at that 58 game mark. Doesnt seem worth the cost of a charter trip to Miami.

Supposedly they are going to try and play in Baltimore tomorrow night... probably a lot of taxi squad players called up from Jupiter.

Will be interesting, assuming NYY at PHL play tonight, if players seem a little more cautious out there than they've been. I certainly hope they can play - that was a series i was looking forward to seeing, two very good teams.
4 more marlins  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 10:08 am : link
1 of the previous positice tests came back negative on a 2nd test..

So far no philly players
Rosenthal/Sherman saying 4 more Marlins  
Metnut : 7/28/2020 10:08 am : link
tested positive. Up to 15 now. That's half of a 30 man roster. Jeez.

Given the ages/physical conditions of coaches and other grounds crew/club house staff, there's clearly significant risks going ahead.
RE: well i guess the silver lining in the postponed Orioles/Marlins games  
Mad Mike : 7/28/2020 10:20 am : link
In comment 14939755 MetsAreBack said:
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Will be interesting, assuming NYY at PHL play tonight, if players seem a little more cautious out there than they've been. I certainly hope they can play - that was a series i was looking forward to seeing, two very good teams.

Postponed again tonight. Hopefully they'll at least be able to play tomw and thurs.
Yankee game canceled again  
bubba0825 : 7/28/2020 10:24 am : link
Tonight
RE: Yankee game canceled again  
Harvest Blend : 7/28/2020 10:26 am : link
In comment 14939785 bubba0825 said:
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Tonight


Well that matters since the Yankees are good. Florida and Baltimore? who cares. :)
I get cancelling the game yesterday...  
Italianju : 7/28/2020 10:30 am : link
for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.

I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.
RE: I get cancelling the game yesterday...  
Mad Mike : 7/28/2020 10:40 am : link
In comment 14939790 Italianju said:
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Are they still waiting on results from PHI players?

Yes.
RE: RE: so he shouldnt be concerned cause he is more likely...  
djm : 7/28/2020 10:47 am : link
In comment 14939262 Azul Grande said:
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to get into a car accident on the way to work? What kinda nonsense is that? Especially just below a post about a 27 year old who is dealing with some heart issues stemming from covid. But sure.



Also, it is well established that for people under 40 and probably even under 50, that the normal seasonal flu is more deadly than covid.

So, and this is a serious question, do people think that with the benefit of what we know now, the Michael Jordan "flu game" should have been canceled?


Stop talking.
I don't know of this has been discussed  
robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2020 11:18 am : link
But how did the players make this decision? One, the results should go back to MLB and they should make the call. Two, is there nobody in the Marlins organization that makes decisions? How did this get past ownership, upper management, the manager, etc? So the players find out they have it and they get to choose if they can play or not? WTF?
RE: I get cancelling the game yesterday...  
Eman11 : 7/28/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 14939790 Italianju said:
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for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.

I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.


They said the Phils tested negative but are going to test them all again later today and the postponement was a precaution.
RE: RE: I get cancelling the game yesterday...  
robbieballs2003 : 7/28/2020 11:23 am : link
In comment 14939837 Eman11 said:
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for the yanks/phils, but why today? Are they still waiting on results from PHI players? Hopefully this isnt a sign that PHI has had a few positive results as well.

I know nobody in MLB likes doubleheaders, but that seems like the easiest way to make these games up. They dont have to worry about losing money or shuffling all of the fans out.



They said the Phils tested negative but are going to test them all again later today and the postponement was a precaution.


It takes like a day to get the results back. It isn't immediate so it makes sense that they'll go on hiatus for multiple days.
RE: I don't know of this has been discussed  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 11:45 am : link
In comment 14939833 robbieballs2003 said:
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But how did the players make this decision? One, the results should go back to MLB and they should make the call. Two, is there nobody in the Marlins organization that makes decisions? How did this get past ownership, upper management, the manager, etc? So the players find out they have it and they get to choose if they can play or not? WTF?


I dont think any of the players that "voted" were known to have had it. I think 3 of their teammates tested positive back at the hotel... not that it makes the process of what occurred any less absurd of course, but no one played knowing they were ill.
The  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 12:13 pm : link
Nationals have voted not to go to Miami this weekend so now MLB has to decide what to do.
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MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14939868 DanMetroMan said:
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Nationals have voted not to go to Miami this weekend so now MLB has to decide what to do.


THey should forfeit the 3 game series. Thats an easy one.
Is it the traveling to MIA....  
Italianju : 7/28/2020 12:29 pm : link
they voted against or the playing MIA at all. Curious if they could make MIA come to WAS. I mean sure WAS gets more home games, but how much does that matter right now. When MLB crammed 60 games in 66 days or whatever it was they didnt leave themselves room to be cancelling games left and right.
RE: Is it the traveling to MIA....  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14939884 Italianju said:
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they voted against or the playing MIA at all. Curious if they could make MIA come to WAS. I mean sure WAS gets more home games, but how much does that matter right now. When MLB crammed 60 games in 66 days or whatever it was they didnt leave themselves room to be cancelling games left and right.


"In Miami" is how it's been phrased.
RE: Is it the traveling to MIA....  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14939884 Italianju said:
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they voted against or the playing MIA at all. Curious if they could make MIA come to WAS. I mean sure WAS gets more home games, but how much does that matter right now. When MLB crammed 60 games in 66 days or whatever it was they didnt leave themselves room to be cancelling games left and right.


Thats a slippery slope - i get there arent crowds anyway, but there is still an advantage to playing in the confines of your own park and sleeping in your own bed. If you do this for the Nats, then you need to proclaim the Marlins are playing their entire season on the road.

Its also troubling that teams seem to be taking votes now on things the league and players association was supposed to agree to before the season started. I'm not a "fire" people in a pandemic type person, but this is not remotely a good look for Manfred or for Clark. This is planning 101.
keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 12:38 pm : link
vs Toronto this week. Do they expect to demand to play their entire season at home?

I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
I dont fault the nationals for this....  
Italianju : 7/28/2020 12:46 pm : link
the Marlins it seems were not doing the things they were supposed to be doing and then made the bonehead decision to keep playing.

Ok so instead of WAS just have them go to some other MLB park that is not being used. At least then its neutral.
Fuck Miami  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/28/2020 1:01 pm : link
They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.
But what't the basis for moving the games?  
Mad Mike : 7/28/2020 1:02 pm : link
Is it the concern that the Marlins' stadium facilities are potentially contaminated? The Marlins haven't even been there in more than a week, so that seems baseless. And even if you accept concerns about the stadium, it can obviously be thoroughly cleaned by Friday (and given that infection from surfaces is now viewed as pretty unlikely anyway, this really seems like a non-issue).

Is it that Florida is an unsafe place to be. Aside from the fact that that concern is no more legitimate than it was before the Marlins' outbreak, if you're unwilling to hold games in certain places then you don't have a season. Game over. The time to do a bubble, or at least restrict play to certain regions, has come and gone, hasn't it?

Is it concern that there may be infected players who haven't yet tested positive, so there's risk of exposure playing with them. Obviously moving the game doesn't change that.

I just don't see how moving the game addresses any legitimate concern. I can understand Martinez being worried, but dispassionately, I don't think there's any legitimate reason to move the game (other than not wanting to go to Florida at all, which, again, is kind of a game over scenario imo).
RE: Fuck Miami  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14939913 Ron from Ninerland said:
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.


You're making a lot of accusations and assumptions in this post. I'm not sure what is real and what is exaggerated re: what Marlins have been doing relative to other teams. They likely picked this up in Atlanta last week by the way, and one of the Nats players Soto got this too... lets not make Miami out to be villains. That's not reasonable.

Martinez should stay home if he's "12" on a scale of 10 concerned. They can play without him, the league should move on without him. Take the year off if its that much of a personal concern.

My view is if they refuse to travel/play - you either shut the entire league down or you forfeit their weekend games. Think the latter is the better approach but i could see both responses.
I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.  
Bill L : 7/28/2020 1:37 pm : link
as if they were Katrina cities. Yuu wouldn't force the players to go nor would you have the home teams forfeit.
RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/28/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14939894 MetsAreBack said:
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vs Toronto this week. Do they expect to demand to play their entire season at home?

I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.
I don't see the "gift" here. Even if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?
RE: I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/28/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14939932 Bill L said:
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as if they were Katrina cities. Yuu wouldn't force the players to go nor would you have the home teams forfeit.
The problem is that Miami has ignored the protocols and have been mismanaged. I'm basing that on the comments in the Athletic in which Miami was violating protocols in Philly and Mattingly's own comments about how they were all crowded into the dugout in Atlanta. Thats what we know about. How much don't we know about ?
.  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 2:00 pm : link
Craig Mish of SportsGrid reports that the Marlins' season has been "paused" for the time being.

It was the only real choice with a COVID-19 outbreak in their clubhouse. By last count, 17 individuals (including 15 players and two coaches) have tested positive. In addition to all of the safety concerns, the Marlins simply can't field a competitive team right now. There has also been talk about the Phillies (who played the Marlins over the weekend) pausing their season at least for a few days. There should be more clarity on the situation soon, but this is not what anybody wants to see less than one week into the season.
Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 2:02 pm : link
“We made the decision that we’re going to continue to do this and we’re going to continue to be responsible and just play the game as hard as we can,” Rojas said.

Rojas tested posted...
RE: RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games  
Mad Mike : 7/28/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14939936 Ron from Ninerland said:
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if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?

I imagine every player ever would find playing as the road team in their home stadium preferable to actually traveling for a road game. Sure, it's largely minimized in an empty stadium, but getting to stay home and not have to schlep to another stadium is still something I think just about anyone would welcome.
RE: Fuck Miami  
section125 : 7/28/2020 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14939913 Ron from Ninerland said:
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.


Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.

Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?

So IDK.....
RE: RE: RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/28/2020 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14939947 Mad Mike said:
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if these games are physically played in Washington isn't Toronto the "home" team (i.e. they bat last ) ?


I imagine every player ever would find playing as the road team in their home stadium preferable to actually traveling for a road game. Sure, it's largely minimized in an empty stadium, but getting to stay home and not have to schlep to another stadium is still something I think just about anyone would welcome.
Toronto has been banished from their true homes. I suspect they are living in hotels whether they are playing "home" games in Pittsburgh or if they're playing elsewhere. The entire NBA is playing on the road. They seem to be dealing with it.
RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games  
speedywheels : 7/28/2020 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14939894 MetsAreBack said:
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vs Toronto this week. Do they expect to demand to play their entire season at home?

I think they are doing this because their manager has been vocal about his fears given a heart condition... my view is they should keep him home on roadtrips if its that serious.


I'm not sure how much of an advantage they are getting, with no fans in the stadium and all...
RE: I think that you should treat Miami (probably Tampa, Houston, Phoenix.  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14939932 Bill L said:
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as if they were Katrina cities. Yuu wouldn't force the players to go nor would you have the home teams forfeit.


Why not LA and all of California? What data and science are you using in that approach?
Expectation  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 2:12 pm : link
is the Marlins season will restart on Monday.
RE: Expectation  
MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14939953 DanMetroMan said:
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is the Marlins season will restart on Monday.


And Manfred said yesterday he expected their season to restart tomorrow. So its hard to take any of this seriously.
RE: RE: RE: RE: keep in mind the Nats were just gifted two extra home games  
Mad Mike : 7/28/2020 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14939950 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Toronto has been banished from their true homes. I suspect they are living in hotels whether they are playing "home" games in Pittsburgh or if they're playing elsewhere. The entire NBA is playing on the road. They seem to be dealing with it.

I'm not sure what your point it. Neither I, nor anyone else in this thread, said the burden of traveling to play a road game is something teams can't deal with or aren't accustomed to doing. But if you don't think it's a benefit for a team to get to play a road game at home instead of traveling to it, even in an empty house, I think you're being pretty silly.
RE: RE: Fuck Miami  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/28/2020 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14939948 section125 said:
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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.



Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.

Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?

So IDK.....
Yeah, I heard that excuse. Its Atlanta's fault. I'm not buying it. They had an entire empty stadium to spread out into. The protocols are pretty clear that the only people that are supposed to be in the dugout are the players and coaches that are currently in the game. The bench players are supposed to be in the stands. But I guess they didn't want to get wet.
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MetsAreBack : 7/28/2020 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14939958 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In comment 14939913 Ron from Ninerland said:


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They should forfeit these games. They clearly violated protocol and have been doing so for some time. I don't blame the Nationals one bit for not wanting to go there. They're being asked to go into a hotspot to play a team that is not taking this seriously.



Actually, it was probably Atlanta that violated the protocols by not having adequate space for players to distance during the rain delays(and I guess they didn't try hard either). And in case you were not watching the Yankees games, they were not wearing masks, they were sitting right next to each other, they were high fiving or doing similar greetings. Miami was healthy when they left Florida as far as we know. They appear to have gotten infected after Atlanta and the Braves had a few players that became infected during that period.

Now two Miami players that tested positive have now tested negative. How does that work in two days? Did it just go away?

So IDK.....

Yeah, I heard that excuse. Its Atlanta's fault. I'm not buying it. They had an entire empty stadium to spread out into. The protocols are pretty clear that the only people that are supposed to be in the dugout are the players and coaches that are currently in the game. The bench players are supposed to be in the stands. But I guess they didn't want to get wet.


Well why the hell would they have to get wet? You dont find Atlanta at fault here? Odd take.

But the testing someone brought up above is an equal mess - apparently Soto has tested negative 6x since Thursday.. but still cant get cleared i guess because he's also testing positive sometimes too?

If they cant rely on these tests, then that's kind of a show stopper...
I havent been following Soto...  
Italianju : 7/28/2020 2:24 pm : link
but perhaps he is still showing symptoms? Obviously he could just have a cold or allergies, but it still symptoms that could be covid.
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