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NFT: NYK personnel with Thibs on board

NYG22 : 7/27/2020 11:41 am
Just my opinion:

RJ Barrett - great mentality/approach that should help to maximize his talents and minimize his shortcomings. I think a Demar Derozon projection is reasonable, even if a little optimistic. Thibs is perfect for Barrett.

Mitch Robinson - massively underrated BIG (because of the team he's been on). There are very few young BIGs in the NBA I'd take over him. Upside is limitless and now he's got a coach that should allow for major growth.

Frank Ntlikina - Again, Thibs is the perfect guy to capitalize on the type of player Ntilikina should be, like a Thabo Sefolosha or Garrett Temple type (smart, responsible, defensive oriented bench wing). Not a sexy projection, but useful.

I like vets Gibson and Bullock for their bench roles.

Young players with modest upside and the kind of reputations in terms of their intangibles to allow some optimism: Wooten, Brazdeikas, Harper.
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Hard to imagine Kevin Knox (soft, confidence too easily broken) or DSJ (low IQ, lazy as the day is long, poor shooter, selfish) doing anything to get their careers on track.


Goners: I expect Portis, Ellington, Payton will see NYK team options declined. Harkless is a 3 and D guy without the 3. That's $40mm coming off.
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The elephant in the room is Julius Randle. he was awful this past year but that's what happens when you have NO legit/primary ball handlers on the team and you ask a guy who has no business leading the offense to do so. If he isn't traded e.g. part of a CP3 trade, Thibs has had success with a somewhat similar player albeit in a different era (Carlos Boozer).

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Plan if I were in charge:

Draft:

Lottery: Deni Avdija - 6'9" 215, shooting has improved, playmaking wing who can defend. Best thing about him is his personality/approach (see everything I said about RJ Barrett).

LAC pick: Guard Grant Riller - poor man's (maybe not that poor) CJ McCollum_. Love this kid's grit and offensive game.

2nd rounder: Xavier Tillman. A 22 year old Taj Gibson who is likely to be underrated in this draft.

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Free agency:

Fred Vanvleet 4 x $25mm
Frank Jackson 3 x $8mm
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 1 x $5mm

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Roster (minutes):

PG: FVV (32), Jackson (16), Riller, Harper

SG: RJB (32), Ntilikina (16)

SF: Avdija (24), Bullock (14), RHJ (10)

PF: Randle if not traded (30), Tillman (18), Brazdeikas

C: Mitch (30), Gibson (18), Wooten
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DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 11:43 am : link
Sounds like above average odds both Miller and Woodson are on Thibs staff

Woodson apparently had the best interview of all candidates interviewed
Players  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 11:48 am : link
have until next month to decide if they will remain in the draft or stay in school.
both  
NYG22 : 7/27/2020 11:49 am : link
good additions. I also find myself wondering if Patrick Ewing might be a surprise addition (if he throws in the towel on the college gig which he doesn't seem well suited for). He does have an excellent relationship with TT.
Pretty well thought out.  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 11:50 am : link
I believe Tillman's headed back to Michigan State for another year, unless he reverses course again.

I agree on the holdovers from last year. RJ/Mitch/Frank are obvious, and Taj and Bullock are good rotation pieces. I'd also be open to Dotson returning, and Knox has no trade value so keep him for another year. If it were me I'd sign a wing shooter (Joe Harris, if at all possible), and draft a lead guard and pretty much call it a day for this offseason. However, drafting Deni and signing or trading for a guard is very much an option. I have no faith in DSJ, but if Thibs wants to give him a shot, more power to him.

Mitch's  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 12:00 pm : link
workout videos are tantalizing. I hope they give him more offensive responsibility.
Frank Jackson - RFA  
NYG22 : 7/27/2020 12:00 pm : link
I find myself wondering if the Pelicans would match a decent $ offer given that they have a glut of lead/combo guards (Ball, Alexander-Walker, Holiday, Hart).

I like Jackson's projection a lot and he is only 22, has some position versatility (6'3", very strong, plus athlete, has played on/off the ball).
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 12:08 pm : link
know he's been awful and was suspended but I wouldn't hate a buy low on Monk. Not that the Knicks have a PG in place but I read a blurb from Seth Paltrow and a huge % of Monk's issues seem to stem from shot selection. 58% of his 3pt attempts have been guarded. He's shooting 38% from 3 in his non-contested 3's. I'm not saying it's amazing but I think there is something still potentially there.
I'd take a flier on Monk  
GGGGmen : 7/27/2020 12:12 pm : link
but I can't imagine the Hornets just giving him away. I would not give up Smith for him, or a future 1st. Not sure what gets that done
RE: I'd take a flier on Monk  
NYG22 : 7/27/2020 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14939164 GGGGmen said:
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but I can't imagine the Hornets just giving him away. I would not give up Smith for him, or a future 1st. Not sure what gets that done


I'd give up DSJ for a ham sandwich. For Monk? Not sure. Might be a "shit for crap" transaction.
I'm not ready to punt  
GGGGmen : 7/27/2020 12:15 pm : link
on Smith yet the guy is supremely talented. I'd give him 1 last shot with Thibs to get his career turned around.

He's also a PG and the Knicks haven't been strong at that position since...1973?
Knox was a bad mistake, but they more than made up for it with Mitch  
Ira : 7/27/2020 12:22 pm : link
in the 2nd.
Ugh. Imagine if they drafted Shai Gilegeous-Alexander  
GGGGmen : 7/27/2020 12:23 pm : link
instead of Knox. He's a stud.
i am not ready to call Knox a mistake  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 12:23 pm : link
He is maddening to watch sometimes but not ready to count him out just yet.
RE: I'm not ready to punt  
NYG22 : 7/27/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14939167 GGGGmen said:
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on Smith yet the guy is supremely talented. I'd give him 1 last shot with Thibs to get his career turned around.

He's also a PG and the Knicks haven't been strong at that position since...1973?


I am not trying to be argumentative and it's certainly possible that you are more right than me on this but I am often confused when I see descriptions like "supremely talented". To me he's like the guard version of Nerlens Noel. Can he jump well? Sure, exceptionally well. Is he subpar in every other category (IQ, work rate, instincts, shooting, facilitating, defense etc.)? Yep.
RE: i am not ready to call Knox a mistake  
Jon in NYC : 7/27/2020 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14939176 nygiants16 said:
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He is maddening to watch sometimes but not ready to count him out just yet.


He may be the worst player in the league right now. Literally does not do a single thing well.
Knox  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 12:27 pm : link
does feel like a bust to me but he's still very young. If he doesn't take a step forward this season then it's likely safe to say he was a mistake. He needs some tough love. He often seems disinterested out there and quite frankly I'm kinda shocked how little his body has changed.
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nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14939182 Jon in NYC said:
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He is maddening to watch sometimes but not ready to count him out just yet.



He may be the worst player in the league right now. Literally does not do a single thing well.


i am not arguing any of that, but i am willing to give him 1 more year
Knox  
NYG22 : 7/27/2020 12:34 pm : link
Surprising how little grit/confidence given his pedigree (father major D1 football player and presence in his life, blue chip recruit at Kentucky).
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NYG22 : 7/27/2020 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14939189 nygiants16 said:
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He is maddening to watch sometimes but not ready to count him out just yet.



He may be the worst player in the league right now. Literally does not do a single thing well.



i am not arguing any of that, but i am willing to give him 1 more year


I agree. I will say that I am more cynical about DSJ ever "righting the ship" than KK.
RE: Knox  
robbieballs2003 : 7/27/2020 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14939191 NYG22 said:
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Surprising how little grit/confidence given his pedigree (father major D1 football player and presence in his life, blue chip recruit at Kentucky).


That's my take on him. He doesn't have that killer instinct so to speak. He's timid.
randle, knox, clippers 1st and dallas 1st for lavine  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 12:49 pm : link
is that enough? or is that to much?
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Jon in NYC : 7/27/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14939197 nygiants16 said:
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is that enough? or is that to much?


I don't see the appeal for the Bulls. Randle is repetitive with Carter Jr and Lauri, and it's a bust and two late firsts.
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Strahan91 : 7/27/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14939174 GGGGmen said:
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instead of Knox. He's a stud.

I remember seeing the day of the draft that the Knicks had strong interest in SGA. Fans on twitter lost it because on paper he sounded exactly like Frank which is also probably why the Knicks decided to take a wing where they had no one at all. Just another example of sunk cost fallacy. One mistake becomes a second, much larger one. Sigh
JVG  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 1:09 pm : link
is apparently a big Mike Miller advocate so odds are Thibs is too. I think Brazdeikis is going to surprise and be a decent NBA rotation player. Wish they would have played him more last season.
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DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 1:15 pm : link
Interesting to see Leon Rose apparently thinks this is a "2 player" top of the draft. Presumably one is Ball, I wonder who #2 is?
RE: RE: Ugh. Imagine if they drafted Shai Gilegeous-Alexander  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14939209 Strahan91 said:
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I remember seeing the day of the draft that the Knicks had strong interest in SGA. Fans on twitter lost it because on paper he sounded exactly like Frank which is also probably why the Knicks decided to take a wing where they had no one at all. Just another example of sunk cost fallacy. One mistake becomes a second, much larger one. Sigh

Just the other day someone with some inside info on here (Pete, I think?) mentioned that the Knicks like Deni but are concerned the fans will expect Luka-level impact if they draft him. Imagine that being a factor? If you like him and feel he's BPA, take him.
RE: RE: RE: Ugh. Imagine if they drafted Shai Gilegeous-Alexander  
Pete44 : 7/27/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14939212 bceagle05 said:
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I remember seeing the day of the draft that the Knicks had strong interest in SGA. Fans on twitter lost it because on paper he sounded exactly like Frank which is also probably why the Knicks decided to take a wing where they had no one at all. Just another example of sunk cost fallacy. One mistake becomes a second, much larger one. Sigh


Just the other day someone with some inside info on here (Pete, I think?) mentioned that the Knicks like Deni but are concerned the fans will expect Luka-level impact if they draft him. Imagine that being a factor? If you like him and feel he's BPA, take him.


Knicks definitely like Deni, but are worried that fans here will expect Luca. Some of these guys are not that mentally tough, it is some with what happened with Knox, after they signed multiple players at this position.

The names to continue to watch are Kira Lewis Jr and Aaron Nesmith. Lewis' stock is rising. Take as you all want.
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nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14939211 DanMetroMan said:
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Interesting to see Leon Rose apparently thinks this is a "2 player" top of the draft. Presumably one is Ball, I wonder who #2 is?


Hayes? they have interviewed him already
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Jon in NYC : 7/27/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14939211 DanMetroMan said:
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Interesting to see Leon Rose apparently thinks this is a "2 player" top of the draft. Presumably one is Ball, I wonder who #2 is?


Where did you see this?
RE: RE: RE: Ugh. Imagine if they drafted Shai Gilegeous-Alexander  
NYG22 : 7/27/2020 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14939212 bceagle05 said:
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I remember seeing the day of the draft that the Knicks had strong interest in SGA. Fans on twitter lost it because on paper he sounded exactly like Frank which is also probably why the Knicks decided to take a wing where they had no one at all. Just another example of sunk cost fallacy. One mistake becomes a second, much larger one. Sigh


Just the other day someone with some inside info on here (Pete, I think?) mentioned that the Knicks like Deni but are concerned the fans will expect Luka-level impact if they draft him. Imagine that being a factor? If you like him and feel he's BPA, take him.


Teams can't choose Player A over Player B if they think A is better but worried about fans expectations. That's the epitome of loser logic.
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NYG22 : 7/27/2020 1:42 pm : link
Teams can't choose Player B over Player A if they think A is better but worried about fans expectations. That's the epitome of loser logic.
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DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 1:44 pm : link
In comment 14939220 Jon in NYC said:
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Interesting to see Leon Rose apparently thinks this is a "2 player" top of the draft. Presumably one is Ball, I wonder who #2 is?



Where did you see this?



"The 2020 free-agent class and 2020 draft, to be held Oct. 15, has been viewed as weak. Knicks president Leon Rose said only two draft-eligible players “stand out” with parity existing thereafter. He was probably referring to coveted point guard LaMelo Ball and Georgia shooting guard Anthony Edwards. The Knicks are seeded sixth in the Aug. 20 lottery and could fall to No. 9 or 10."



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The Leon Rose quote was originally said to Mike Breen  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 1:53 pm : link
in that MSG Network puff interview a few weeks back. He said only a couple of players will separate themselves and then there's a lot of "equality" among the prospects, and it's about what each team will need/value.
id love to get Lavine...  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 2:05 pm : link
i think his best years are ahead of him. He was stunted a bit on that MINN roster. The knee injury is a bit scary but at this point he looks healthy and guys come back from it all the time.

But yeah we would have to give more then what ny16 posted. Im sure one or two of our own picks would have to be in there. Id still consider it, especially if we could say top 3 or 5 protect it.
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DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 2:08 pm : link
Depending on the lottery results, there's an expectation that teams with the top few picks will be interested in trading down. While most acknowledge that LaMelo Ball, Anthony Edwards and James Wiseman are the draft's potential stars, teams don't sound confident in those players' chances of actually reaching their star potential (relative to previous drafts' projected top picks). Plus, Ball, Edwards and Wiseman aren't easy fits for everyone.

Meanwhile, there is a group of perceived lower-upside prospects—Tyrese Haliburton, Isaac Okoro, Deni Avdija, Devin Vassell—who seem to fit with or plug a hole for everyone. And teams view them as high-floor, low-maintenance contributors with limited bust potential.

Certain teams may feel better about getting Avdija at No. 5 or Haliburton at No. 6—while acquiring an additional asset to move down—than drafting Edwards at No. 1 or 2.

The question is whether there will enough teams willing to trade an asset to move up. The belief is that if teams are looking to move up, it will be a franchise trying to land Ball. The New York Knicks are assumed to be interested in him. The Chicago Bulls and Orlando Magic would also make sense as teams with needs for a passer and assets to trade.
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Oladipo  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 2:11 pm : link
says his injury is one a player has never come back from, makes sense the Knicks would want him lol
Windhorst also shared a quote from an NBA exec  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 2:12 pm : link
saying first round picks could be for sale for the first time in a while - meaning teams will literally trade them for cash. Not sure the Knicks will go this route given they already have the Clips' pick, but if it's just money, why not buy an extra one? Especially if it's ahead of the LAC pick.
RE: id love to get Lavine...  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14939244 Italianju said:
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i think his best years are ahead of him. He was stunted a bit on that MINN roster. The knee injury is a bit scary but at this point he looks healthy and guys come back from it all the time.

But yeah we would have to give more then what ny16 posted. Im sure one or two of our own picks would have to be in there. Id still consider it, especially if we could say top 3 or 5 protect it.


woukd not give up rj, mitch or this yeara first for him
I don't pretend to know  
ryanmkeane : 7/27/2020 2:16 pm : link
a lot about NBA projection, but I watched Knox live a few times this past season. He just loafs around out there. Doesn't even look like he's trying on offense or defense. I'm sure he has a ton of talent, obviously he does. But his effort is awful.
Markkanen  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 2:17 pm : link
is the Bull I'd love to land. Knox and one of the Dallas picks works for me.
id be all over that..  
Italianju : 7/27/2020 2:23 pm : link
but i dont see why CHI doesnt hang up instantly. Whether Lauri has been a stud or not, knox stinks and the dallas pick will be late teens at best. But id love markkanen as well.

Seems like for a good FO the price to move up should be pretty small. So hopefully that doesnt mean we give up our first next year (unprotected) to move up like 3 spots for Ball, lol.
I agree  
Jon in NYC : 7/27/2020 2:31 pm : link
that we'd be buying into Lavine's prime years. He's on a pretty reasonable contract and we may be able to get him on a discount. I just don't see a trade to be made without including RJ and Mitch, who to me would be untouchable for LaVine
Any word on when teams out of the bubble  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 2:36 pm : link
can start talking trades again? it is usually right when your season ends, but obviously different right now
Lavine  
Pete44 : 7/27/2020 2:48 pm : link
Lavine is hurt a lot, depends on price I guess. Any player that becomes available will be linked to the Knicks.
According to Berman  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 3:17 pm : link
Carmelo wants to finish his career with thr Knicks and play for Thibs..
Melo  
Pete44 : 7/27/2020 3:27 pm : link
Would have been excited for this in 2014
I've  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 3:28 pm : link
never been a huge Melo guy but I'm also not a hater. I just don't think he's the kind of veteran that makes sense. They need veterans who 1. Are known for defense and defensive effort

2. Are okay at times being glorified towel wavers (especially as the season goes on)

3. Have skills beyond scoring. I'm not going to lose my mind over Melo but I just don't think he makes sense. I think they should be looking at guys "like" Luc Mbah a Moute. I'd take them overpaying a guy like Pat Beverley if they felt it changed the vibe around the team. Props to Melo for the shape he's in, and I think he's a pretty good dude but I just don't see the fit here.
I have always been a Melo fan  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 3:32 pm : link
I am ok with bringing him in, especially if the plan is to bring in other vets like Chris Paul..He has plahex well off of 2 ball dominant players..

He is in incredible shape right now and watching a couple of scrimmages he looks quicker and playing better defense than i have ever seen him play..

If he is the only vet we bring in, i would be a little wary and i also think Randle needa to be traded for it to make sense
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 3:37 pm : link
want Randle gone but as with anything Knicks, you have to assume in moving him they somehow make an even worse decision then waiting. A longer deal, a worse fit, someone with a major injury, attaching a pick to move him.
NBA will do a bubble for next season  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 3:42 pm : link
if they have to in december
Looked  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 4:14 pm : link
over CBS "top 70" FA players I like...


Joe Harris, Harrell, Wood, Milsapp (as a strong veteran), Favors, Brow (duh), Ingram, Bogdanovic, Poeltl, Malik Beasley, Boucher, Sterling Brown, Melton, Konchar, Dort, Chiozza, Jones Jr., Josh Jackson, Diallo, Giles
When next season starts  
arniefez : 7/27/2020 4:35 pm : link
is there a play in for the Knicks so they're not relegated anymore?

There have been few things in NY sports recently to celebrate but the Knicks literally being throw out of the NBA is one of them.

Long may they be in the eliminated 8. Adam Silver should keep the 8 in their own league next year, top 6 make the eliminated 8 playoffs. The Knicks would find a way to miss those playoffs too.
Yes, Silver  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 4:38 pm : link
will love having Steph, Klay and Draymond out of the picture next year when they win 60 games.
Heat will not extend Bam  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 4:43 pm : link
to preservd cap space for 2021
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 7/27/2020 4:54 pm : link
I would trade DSJ for Monk in a heartbeat. I still think Monk can be a good player in this league.

I've always been a big Melo fan but I really don't want the Knicks to bring him back. Makes zero sense.
Giannis  
Pete44 : 7/27/2020 5:42 pm : link
I have heard Heat, Mavs, Warriors and Bucks are only teams with a shot at Giannis in 2021.
RE: I've  
djm : 7/27/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14939308 DanMetroMan said:
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never been a huge Melo guy but I'm also not a hater. I just don't think he's the kind of veteran that makes sense. They need veterans who 1. Are known for defense and defensive effort

2. Are okay at times being glorified towel wavers (especially as the season goes on)

3. Have skills beyond scoring. I'm not going to lose my mind over Melo but I just don't think he makes sense. I think they should be looking at guys "like" Luc Mbah a Moute. I'd take them overpaying a guy like Pat Beverley if they felt it changed the vibe around the team. Props to Melo for the shape he's in, and I think he's a pretty good dude but I just don't see the fit here.


Pretty much my take as well. I won’t lose sleep over it if melo comes back but it just seems odd. I would think rose wants to fix the Knicks one known big name at a time. Melo is a big name, meh.... I just want to see the Knicks win and sustain it.
Frsnk will be starting point guard  
Earl the goat : 7/27/2020 6:35 pm : link
Thibs will turn him into a player

Draft
Oneyaku Ogora. PF. USC
Saddiq Bey. SF. Villanova
Isiah Green. PF

Julius Randle will be traded

Knox will almost certainly be on team

Laying low on FA to conserve space for Giannis in 2021
Giannis.  
Mike from SI : 7/27/2020 6:37 pm : link
Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.
Knicks should not even think about giannis  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 7:06 pm : link
worry about developing the young players and wait for a star to come available via trade and eventually a star will sign here..
RE: Frsnk will be starting point guard  
Strahan91 : 7/27/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14939450 Earl the goat said:

I don't think the starting PG is on the roster currently
RE: Knicks should not even think about giannis  
Earl the goat : 7/27/2020 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14939488 nygiants16 said:
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worry about developing the young players and wait for a star to come available via trade and eventually a star will sign here..


My point is don’t waste money on FA this year. Develop the young players
Don’t give out bad contracts just for kicks. Wait for the big fish and try to reel him in. If not then continue to draft and develop well

Contracts like Randle. Noah. Etc are wasting money
RE: Giannis.  
Earl the goat : 7/27/2020 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14939451 Mike from SI said:
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Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.


Oh I guess you are running the organization or better you are Giannis agent
You just never fucking know
So I’m not quitting.
I still wonder about Anthony Davis  
djm : 7/27/2020 9:33 pm : link
And what he ends up doing...
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bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14939214 Pete44 said:
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The names to continue to watch are Kira Lewis Jr and Aaron Nesmith. Lewis' stock is rising. Take as you all want.

Not surprised about Lewis - with a full season, I bet he would’ve leapfrogged Cole Anthony and Haliburton, and still might. He has a lot of tools.
Why do I have a feeling  
mattnyg05 : 7/28/2020 8:05 am : link
That we will somehow lose Mitch or trade him for shit and we will all be regretting it in 4 years?

Oh because that always happens.
Id say there is a tiny chance Davis leaves...  
Italianju : 7/28/2020 9:46 am : link
LA, but there would be zero chance he leaves for the knicks. So he will leave LA, Lebron, iconic franchise he can be the face of soon, etc... for the Knicks?

If the knicks want to keep options open for a star im ok with it, but the star should never BE the plan. Keeping salary flexibility where you have max cap space every couple years is what id be doing. Dont lock into only getting guys on one year deals or trading for guys who expire so you can have max space every year. To get a good player or get assets for taking on bad deals you might have to take on a guy with 2 years left.
Mitchell Robinson  
ghost718 : 7/28/2020 9:58 am : link
I understand he's home grown,but I hope his Instagram account doesn't play a factor in this draft.

There are gonna be some guys available who I don't think he'll ever come close to.
RE: Frsnk will be starting point guard  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14939450 Earl the goat said:
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Thibs will turn him into a player

Draft
Oneyaku Ogora. PF. USC
Saddiq Bey. SF. Villanova
Isiah Green. PF

Julius Randle will be traded

Knox will almost certainly be on team

Laying low on FA to conserve space for Giannis in 2021


I like Frank more then most, but he is not an NBA point guard.
Why would AD leave LA???  
GGGGmen : 7/28/2020 10:59 am : link
he doesnt have the alpha type personality - lebron takes all the heat off of him all he gets to do is play ball and not worry about being the focal point of media attention.

It's the perfect situation for him to succeed and win.
Doesn't  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:02 am : link
sound like even the Knicks view Frank as a pure PG anymore. I'm admittedly not a Frank fan but even at his realistic best he's not a great ball handler or passer so even if his 3 ball improves his upside is likely a good 3 and D wing, not a PG.
Agree Frank is not a PG  
GGGGmen : 7/28/2020 11:04 am : link
his ball handling and playmaking skills just aren't there. He's a wing off the bench that can play some D and score a little bit. Expecting more than that is foolish.
RE: Giannis.  
Pete44 : 7/28/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14939451 Mike from SI said:
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Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.


Read the post, I said he was not coming here.
I don't think there's a chance AD leaves THIS summer.  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:06 am : link
If he opts in for the final year of his contract, or does a 1+1 deal and enters free agency next season, I think it opens the door a little. Lebron is getting older, after all, and the Lakers were a train wreck prior to Lebron getting there. AD would be wise to keep his options open a bit.

As for the Knicks, for some odd reason he had us on his shortlist of trade destinations, so he has some mild interest at least. We have a lot of work to do before we get a serious conversation with someone like him.
RE: Doesn't  
Pete44 : 7/28/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14939814 DanMetroMan said:
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sound like even the Knicks view Frank as a pure PG anymore. I'm admittedly not a Frank fan but even at his realistic best he's not a great ball handler or passer so even if his 3 ball improves his upside is likely a good 3 and D wing, not a PG.


The Knicks need to get a good shooter at PG to be able to play Frank at the 2 and RJ at the 3. It is why I don't think Lamelo is a good fit. I prefer Kira Lewis.
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DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:11 am : link
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
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As i reported, Kenny Payne is being considered as a Knicks assistant. Keep in mind that Payne is making 900k at Kentucky. A raise would make him one of the NBA’s highest-paid assistant coaches.
We shouldn't  
Jon in NYC : 7/28/2020 11:11 am : link
be making any decisions based on fitting Frank in the lineup.

LaMelo is likely the BPA. He should be the guy if he's there.
I've been wondering  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:14 am : link
what landing LaMelo would mean for RJ's future with the Knicks - it's not something that needs resolving right away, but I'm not getting too attached to the young guys on the roster.
RE: Mitchell Robinson  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14939764 ghost718 said:
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I understand he's home grown,but I hope his Instagram account doesn't play a factor in this draft.

There are gonna be some guys available who I don't think he'll ever come close to.

Like who?
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DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:18 am : link
Kenny Payne is helped develop Anthony Davis... just sayin'! He also has connections to KAT, Booker, Knox #Knicks
RE: .  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14939832 DanMetroMan said:
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Kenny Payne is helped develop Anthony Davis... just sayin'! He also has connections to KAT, Booker, Knox #Knicks

No need to joke about it - we know that's exactly why the Knicks do stuff like this. Royal Ivey, anyone?
AD to the Knicks  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2020 11:21 am : link
is probably a pipe dream but lets say he opts in. Lebron has a PO after next season and will be 36. AD wanted the Knicks or Lakers (reportedly) and that was before WWW joined the Knicks FO. The first thing AD did when he won the national championship at Kentucky was climb into the stands to huge WWW.

Now, these are tea leaves and assumptions and it's the Knicks so I can confidently say it won't happen but that's the rationale as to why people think it's possible.
Knicks just need to keep all options open  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:22 am : link
if someone wants to come fantastic, if you can trade for someone awesome, bjt dont build an entire plan based on the fantasy of someone coming here..

Build a good team and people will come..
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:22 am : link
wouldn't take a single big in this draft over Mitch (and I like Okongwu and Wiseman both enough I'd have no issue taking them top 6) so it's not like I don't like them.
HA well you can cross KAT  
GGGGmen : 7/28/2020 11:22 am : link
off the list. by all indications he and Thibs did not get along in Minnesota.

KAT and Booker are best friends as well. Oh boy.
...  
Jon in NYC : 7/28/2020 11:23 am : link
LaMelo-Joe Harris-RJ-AD-Mitch

What a squad
Only possibility i see of AD leaving  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:25 am : link
is if they win a championship and he then decides he wants to try and do it on his own..
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:27 am : link
want Harris as well but apparently the Nets have let him know they plan on finding a way to keep him.
I think we'll sign a DJ Augustin type to be backup PG (Thibs favorite)  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:27 am : link
and let Jared Harper/Lamar Peters compete for the #3 PG role at the end of the bench. The starter will be drafted, signed (FVV) or traded for (CP3). I think DSJ is a goner and Frank's pure PG days are over. That position needs an overhaul.
Frank is not a starter  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:29 am : link
he is a situational player, he is the guard verson of jared jeffries, i am not making anymoves based on frank..
Just a reminder... first 2 NBA seasons  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:31 am : link
A) 7.7 points, 5.9 rebounds, 1.4 blocks (22 minutes per)-Chandler

B) 6.7 points, 6.6 rebounds, 1.1 blocks (22.5 minutes per)
Noah

C) 6.2 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.8 blocks (20.4 per)
Gobert

D) 8.5 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.2 blocks (21.8 minutes per)
Mitch
RE: Frank is not a starter  
NYG22 : 7/28/2020 11:53 am : link
In comment 14939849 nygiants16 said:
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he is a situational player, he is the guard verson of jared jeffries, i am not making anymoves based on frank..


I basically agree. But he's also an intelligent, honest day's work type of player that, in the right role, can contribute to winning. I'd rather that than lazy "me" players like DSJ.
RE: RE: Frank is not a starter  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:57 am : link
In comment 14939860 NYG22 said:
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In comment 14939849 nygiants16 said:


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he is a situational player, he is the guard verson of jared jeffries, i am not making anymoves based on frank..



I basically agree. But he's also an intelligent, honest day's work type of player that, in the right role, can contribute to winning. I'd rather that than lazy "me" players like DSJ.


i agree, frank can belp in the right role
RE: .  
Enzo : 7/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14939832 DanMetroMan said:
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Kenny Payne is helped develop Anthony Davis... just sayin'! He also has connections to KAT, Booker, Knox #Knicks

ha ha. These "connections" get more tenuous every year.
Joshua Longstaff is Kevin Durant's favorite coach  
Anakim : 7/28/2020 12:20 pm : link
Haha, tell me about it, Enzo
From Zach Lowe  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2020 3:10 pm : link
on his choice to leave Barrett off both all rookie teams. Agree or disagree?

"I hear the rage from New York Knicks fans, at least those with the will left to rage about anything other than James Dolan. RJ Barrett finished fourth among rookies in scoring -- 0.9 points ahead of Hachimura. I feel for Barrett. He's a decent playmaker who can't shoot, and the Knicks (of course) plopped him in the middle of a bunch of non-shooters -- leaving Barrett to drive into forests of bodies.

But his case ends at points per game. He ranks among the half-dozen worst rookies in most advanced stats. He shot 43% on 2s, and 61% at the line. Hachimura was semi-reliable -- 52% -- from 2-point range. He brings more positional and role versatility on both ends."
David West  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 3:32 pm : link
slammed the Thibs hire
RE: David West  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14939994 DanMetroMan said:
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slammed the Thibs hire


Really dumb comments making it about race. 3/4 of the last Knicks head coaches were black. And saying it wasn’t on the players in Minny? They had 2 max guys who didn’t try a lick on defense. How about some accountability from those players making a fortune who didn’t win? Thibs was bad in Minn but he did get them to the playoffs and had major success everywhere else he’s been. Maybe David West can you scream on the bench and act like he contributed to the Warriors success.
Michael Kay is obsessed with the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 5:07 pm : link
interviewing and/or hiring Jeff Van Gundy. The Knicks continue to be the only team that MUST interview JVG and Mark Jackson. Van Gundy has barely whiffed a job over the past decade.
Asked  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 5:22 pm : link
this earlier but why isn't there more talk of Harrell? Just no chance he bolts LAC? Insanely underrated, Knicks fans would love him.
RE: RE: Giannis.  
Mike from SI : 7/28/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14939549 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 14939451 Mike from SI said:


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Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.



Oh I guess you are running the organization or better you are Giannis agent
You just never fucking know
So I’m not quitting.


I am Giannis. I developed a love for the Giants at an early age staying up in Greece watching American football. I do not want to play for your sad franchise.

There, now your life will be a lot easier and happier.
Giannis  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 5:35 pm : link
or not, the off-season and season MUST focus on developing the young talent they already have and the guys they bring in via the draft and supplementing these guys with veterans who actually are okay with a mentoring and potentially reduced role down the stretch. Quite honestly there isn't a single star player in the NBA who wants to join the Knicks as currently constituted. Now, you tell me the young players take a step forward, the Knicks have an identity, the Knicks have some positive momentum, Rose looks like he knows what he's doing... then lets talk.
RE: Giannis  
Mike from SI : 7/28/2020 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14940061 DanMetroMan said:
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or not, the off-season and season MUST focus on developing the young talent they already have and the guys they bring in via the draft and supplementing these guys with veterans who actually are okay with a mentoring and potentially reduced role down the stretch. Quite honestly there isn't a single star player in the NBA who wants to join the Knicks as currently constituted. Now, you tell me the young players take a step forward, the Knicks have an identity, the Knicks have some positive momentum, Rose looks like he knows what he's doing... then lets talk.


This seems pretty self-evident to me.... But then again I'm Giannis so I know this.
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DanMetroMan : 7/29/2020 1:29 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Sources: Zero NBA players have tested positive for coronavirus out of 344 tested at Orlando campus since last results were announced July 20.

Consecutive testing rounds where no new player has tested positive.
What is michael kays obsession with Van Gundy?  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2020 4:16 pm : link
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RE: What is michael kays obsession with Van Gundy?  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2020 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14940589 nygiants16 said:
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Greg's hatred aside "most" people like Van Gundy as a person so it may not be any deeper than that.
RE: RE: What is michael kays obsession with Van Gundy?  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14940614 DanMetroMan said:
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Greg's hatred aside "most" people like Van Gundy as a person so it may not be any deeper than that.


He ripped them for not interviewing him and called the knicks a clown show becaise of it
Sure  
DanMetroMan : 7/29/2020 5:07 pm : link
but he might just like Jeff Van Gundy, the person.
I mentioned the Kay/JVG thing yesterday, too.  
bceagle05 : 7/29/2020 5:20 pm : link
He gets carried away with it. The Nets will hire Jackson or Lue without interviewing JVG and Kay won't say a word. It does seem like the Knicks are the only team that MUST interview and/or hire JVG and Jackson.

Popper said to expect a Thibs introduction tomorrow or Friday at the latest - no word yet from what I can tell.
RE: I mentioned the Kay/JVG thing yesterday, too.  
nygiants16 : 7/29/2020 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14940640 bceagle05 said:
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He gets carried away with it. The Nets will hire Jackson or Lue without interviewing JVG and Kay won't say a word. It does seem like the Knicks are the only team that MUST interview and/or hire JVG and Jackson.

Popper said to expect a Thibs introduction tomorrow or Friday at the latest - no word yet from what I can tell.


Also said doesnt expect another bubble, just group workouts for the 8 teams, like OTAS
Well, see, Michael Kay is a dolt  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2020 12:22 am : link
He's bad enough with baseball and it's the sport he's worked in all of his professional life.
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