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NFT: NYK personnel with Thibs on board

NYG22 : 7/27/2020 11:41 am
Just my opinion:

RJ Barrett - great mentality/approach that should help to maximize his talents and minimize his shortcomings. I think a Demar Derozon projection is reasonable, even if a little optimistic. Thibs is perfect for Barrett.

Mitch Robinson - massively underrated BIG (because of the team he's been on). There are very few young BIGs in the NBA I'd take over him. Upside is limitless and now he's got a coach that should allow for major growth.

Frank Ntlikina - Again, Thibs is the perfect guy to capitalize on the type of player Ntilikina should be, like a Thabo Sefolosha or Garrett Temple type (smart, responsible, defensive oriented bench wing). Not a sexy projection, but useful.

I like vets Gibson and Bullock for their bench roles.

Young players with modest upside and the kind of reputations in terms of their intangibles to allow some optimism: Wooten, Brazdeikas, Harper.
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Hard to imagine Kevin Knox (soft, confidence too easily broken) or DSJ (low IQ, lazy as the day is long, poor shooter, selfish) doing anything to get their careers on track.


Goners: I expect Portis, Ellington, Payton will see NYK team options declined. Harkless is a 3 and D guy without the 3. That's $40mm coming off.
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The elephant in the room is Julius Randle. he was awful this past year but that's what happens when you have NO legit/primary ball handlers on the team and you ask a guy who has no business leading the offense to do so. If he isn't traded e.g. part of a CP3 trade, Thibs has had success with a somewhat similar player albeit in a different era (Carlos Boozer).

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Plan if I were in charge:

Draft:

Lottery: Deni Avdija - 6'9" 215, shooting has improved, playmaking wing who can defend. Best thing about him is his personality/approach (see everything I said about RJ Barrett).

LAC pick: Guard Grant Riller - poor man's (maybe not that poor) CJ McCollum_. Love this kid's grit and offensive game.

2nd rounder: Xavier Tillman. A 22 year old Taj Gibson who is likely to be underrated in this draft.

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Free agency:

Fred Vanvleet 4 x $25mm
Frank Jackson 3 x $8mm
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson 1 x $5mm

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Roster (minutes):

PG: FVV (32), Jackson (16), Riller, Harper

SG: RJB (32), Ntilikina (16)

SF: Avdija (24), Bullock (14), RHJ (10)

PF: Randle if not traded (30), Tillman (18), Brazdeikas

C: Mitch (30), Gibson (18), Wooten
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Looked  
DanMetroMan : 7/27/2020 4:14 pm : link
over CBS "top 70" FA players I like...


Joe Harris, Harrell, Wood, Milsapp (as a strong veteran), Favors, Brow (duh), Ingram, Bogdanovic, Poeltl, Malik Beasley, Boucher, Sterling Brown, Melton, Konchar, Dort, Chiozza, Jones Jr., Josh Jackson, Diallo, Giles
When next season starts  
arniefez : 7/27/2020 4:35 pm : link
is there a play in for the Knicks so they're not relegated anymore?

There have been few things in NY sports recently to celebrate but the Knicks literally being throw out of the NBA is one of them.

Long may they be in the eliminated 8. Adam Silver should keep the 8 in their own league next year, top 6 make the eliminated 8 playoffs. The Knicks would find a way to miss those playoffs too.
Yes, Silver  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 4:38 pm : link
will love having Steph, Klay and Draymond out of the picture next year when they win 60 games.
Heat will not extend Bam  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 4:43 pm : link
to preservd cap space for 2021
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 7/27/2020 4:54 pm : link
I would trade DSJ for Monk in a heartbeat. I still think Monk can be a good player in this league.

I've always been a big Melo fan but I really don't want the Knicks to bring him back. Makes zero sense.
Giannis  
Pete44 : 7/27/2020 5:42 pm : link
I have heard Heat, Mavs, Warriors and Bucks are only teams with a shot at Giannis in 2021.
RE: I've  
djm : 7/27/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14939308 DanMetroMan said:
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never been a huge Melo guy but I'm also not a hater. I just don't think he's the kind of veteran that makes sense. They need veterans who 1. Are known for defense and defensive effort

2. Are okay at times being glorified towel wavers (especially as the season goes on)

3. Have skills beyond scoring. I'm not going to lose my mind over Melo but I just don't think he makes sense. I think they should be looking at guys "like" Luc Mbah a Moute. I'd take them overpaying a guy like Pat Beverley if they felt it changed the vibe around the team. Props to Melo for the shape he's in, and I think he's a pretty good dude but I just don't see the fit here.


Pretty much my take as well. I won’t lose sleep over it if melo comes back but it just seems odd. I would think rose wants to fix the Knicks one known big name at a time. Melo is a big name, meh.... I just want to see the Knicks win and sustain it.
Frsnk will be starting point guard  
Earl the goat : 7/27/2020 6:35 pm : link
Thibs will turn him into a player

Draft
Oneyaku Ogora. PF. USC
Saddiq Bey. SF. Villanova
Isiah Green. PF

Julius Randle will be traded

Knox will almost certainly be on team

Laying low on FA to conserve space for Giannis in 2021
Giannis.  
Mike from SI : 7/27/2020 6:37 pm : link
Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.
Knicks should not even think about giannis  
nygiants16 : 7/27/2020 7:06 pm : link
worry about developing the young players and wait for a star to come available via trade and eventually a star will sign here..
RE: Frsnk will be starting point guard  
Strahan91 : 7/27/2020 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14939450 Earl the goat said:

I don't think the starting PG is on the roster currently
RE: Knicks should not even think about giannis  
Earl the goat : 7/27/2020 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14939488 nygiants16 said:
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worry about developing the young players and wait for a star to come available via trade and eventually a star will sign here..


My point is don’t waste money on FA this year. Develop the young players
Don’t give out bad contracts just for kicks. Wait for the big fish and try to reel him in. If not then continue to draft and develop well

Contracts like Randle. Noah. Etc are wasting money
RE: Giannis.  
Earl the goat : 7/27/2020 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14939451 Mike from SI said:
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Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.


Oh I guess you are running the organization or better you are Giannis agent
You just never fucking know
So I’m not quitting.
I still wonder about Anthony Davis  
djm : 7/27/2020 9:33 pm : link
And what he ends up doing...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ugh. Imagine if they drafted Shai Gilegeous-Alexander  
bceagle05 : 7/27/2020 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14939214 Pete44 said:
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The names to continue to watch are Kira Lewis Jr and Aaron Nesmith. Lewis' stock is rising. Take as you all want.

Not surprised about Lewis - with a full season, I bet he would’ve leapfrogged Cole Anthony and Haliburton, and still might. He has a lot of tools.
Why do I have a feeling  
mattnyg05 : 7/28/2020 8:05 am : link
That we will somehow lose Mitch or trade him for shit and we will all be regretting it in 4 years?

Oh because that always happens.
Id say there is a tiny chance Davis leaves...  
Italianju : 7/28/2020 9:46 am : link
LA, but there would be zero chance he leaves for the knicks. So he will leave LA, Lebron, iconic franchise he can be the face of soon, etc... for the Knicks?

If the knicks want to keep options open for a star im ok with it, but the star should never BE the plan. Keeping salary flexibility where you have max cap space every couple years is what id be doing. Dont lock into only getting guys on one year deals or trading for guys who expire so you can have max space every year. To get a good player or get assets for taking on bad deals you might have to take on a guy with 2 years left.
Mitchell Robinson  
ghost718 : 7/28/2020 9:58 am : link
I understand he's home grown,but I hope his Instagram account doesn't play a factor in this draft.

There are gonna be some guys available who I don't think he'll ever come close to.
RE: Frsnk will be starting point guard  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2020 10:53 am : link
In comment 14939450 Earl the goat said:
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Thibs will turn him into a player

Draft
Oneyaku Ogora. PF. USC
Saddiq Bey. SF. Villanova
Isiah Green. PF

Julius Randle will be traded

Knox will almost certainly be on team

Laying low on FA to conserve space for Giannis in 2021


I like Frank more then most, but he is not an NBA point guard.
Why would AD leave LA???  
GGGGmen : 7/28/2020 10:59 am : link
he doesnt have the alpha type personality - lebron takes all the heat off of him all he gets to do is play ball and not worry about being the focal point of media attention.

It's the perfect situation for him to succeed and win.
Doesn't  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:02 am : link
sound like even the Knicks view Frank as a pure PG anymore. I'm admittedly not a Frank fan but even at his realistic best he's not a great ball handler or passer so even if his 3 ball improves his upside is likely a good 3 and D wing, not a PG.
Agree Frank is not a PG  
GGGGmen : 7/28/2020 11:04 am : link
his ball handling and playmaking skills just aren't there. He's a wing off the bench that can play some D and score a little bit. Expecting more than that is foolish.
RE: Giannis.  
Pete44 : 7/28/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14939451 Mike from SI said:
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Quit it with this sh**. We're not doing this again. He's not coming here. Get over it.


Read the post, I said he was not coming here.
I don't think there's a chance AD leaves THIS summer.  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:06 am : link
If he opts in for the final year of his contract, or does a 1+1 deal and enters free agency next season, I think it opens the door a little. Lebron is getting older, after all, and the Lakers were a train wreck prior to Lebron getting there. AD would be wise to keep his options open a bit.

As for the Knicks, for some odd reason he had us on his shortlist of trade destinations, so he has some mild interest at least. We have a lot of work to do before we get a serious conversation with someone like him.
RE: Doesn't  
Pete44 : 7/28/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 14939814 DanMetroMan said:
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sound like even the Knicks view Frank as a pure PG anymore. I'm admittedly not a Frank fan but even at his realistic best he's not a great ball handler or passer so even if his 3 ball improves his upside is likely a good 3 and D wing, not a PG.


The Knicks need to get a good shooter at PG to be able to play Frank at the 2 and RJ at the 3. It is why I don't think Lamelo is a good fit. I prefer Kira Lewis.
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DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:11 am : link
Stefan Bondy
@SBondyNYDN
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As i reported, Kenny Payne is being considered as a Knicks assistant. Keep in mind that Payne is making 900k at Kentucky. A raise would make him one of the NBA’s highest-paid assistant coaches.
We shouldn't  
Jon in NYC : 7/28/2020 11:11 am : link
be making any decisions based on fitting Frank in the lineup.

LaMelo is likely the BPA. He should be the guy if he's there.
I've been wondering  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:14 am : link
what landing LaMelo would mean for RJ's future with the Knicks - it's not something that needs resolving right away, but I'm not getting too attached to the young guys on the roster.
RE: Mitchell Robinson  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14939764 ghost718 said:
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I understand he's home grown,but I hope his Instagram account doesn't play a factor in this draft.

There are gonna be some guys available who I don't think he'll ever come close to.

Like who?
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DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:18 am : link
Kenny Payne is helped develop Anthony Davis... just sayin'! He also has connections to KAT, Booker, Knox #Knicks
RE: .  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14939832 DanMetroMan said:
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Kenny Payne is helped develop Anthony Davis... just sayin'! He also has connections to KAT, Booker, Knox #Knicks

No need to joke about it - we know that's exactly why the Knicks do stuff like this. Royal Ivey, anyone?
AD to the Knicks  
Strahan91 : 7/28/2020 11:21 am : link
is probably a pipe dream but lets say he opts in. Lebron has a PO after next season and will be 36. AD wanted the Knicks or Lakers (reportedly) and that was before WWW joined the Knicks FO. The first thing AD did when he won the national championship at Kentucky was climb into the stands to huge WWW.

Now, these are tea leaves and assumptions and it's the Knicks so I can confidently say it won't happen but that's the rationale as to why people think it's possible.
Knicks just need to keep all options open  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:22 am : link
if someone wants to come fantastic, if you can trade for someone awesome, bjt dont build an entire plan based on the fantasy of someone coming here..

Build a good team and people will come..
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:22 am : link
wouldn't take a single big in this draft over Mitch (and I like Okongwu and Wiseman both enough I'd have no issue taking them top 6) so it's not like I don't like them.
HA well you can cross KAT  
GGGGmen : 7/28/2020 11:22 am : link
off the list. by all indications he and Thibs did not get along in Minnesota.

KAT and Booker are best friends as well. Oh boy.
...  
Jon in NYC : 7/28/2020 11:23 am : link
LaMelo-Joe Harris-RJ-AD-Mitch

What a squad
Only possibility i see of AD leaving  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:25 am : link
is if they win a championship and he then decides he wants to try and do it on his own..
I  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:27 am : link
want Harris as well but apparently the Nets have let him know they plan on finding a way to keep him.
I think we'll sign a DJ Augustin type to be backup PG (Thibs favorite)  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 11:27 am : link
and let Jared Harper/Lamar Peters compete for the #3 PG role at the end of the bench. The starter will be drafted, signed (FVV) or traded for (CP3). I think DSJ is a goner and Frank's pure PG days are over. That position needs an overhaul.
Frank is not a starter  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:29 am : link
he is a situational player, he is the guard verson of jared jeffries, i am not making anymoves based on frank..
Just a reminder... first 2 NBA seasons  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 11:31 am : link
A) 7.7 points, 5.9 rebounds, 1.4 blocks (22 minutes per)-Chandler

B) 6.7 points, 6.6 rebounds, 1.1 blocks (22.5 minutes per)
Noah

C) 6.2 points, 7.3 rebounds, 1.8 blocks (20.4 per)
Gobert

D) 8.5 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.2 blocks (21.8 minutes per)
Mitch
RE: Frank is not a starter  
NYG22 : 7/28/2020 11:53 am : link
In comment 14939849 nygiants16 said:
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he is a situational player, he is the guard verson of jared jeffries, i am not making anymoves based on frank..


I basically agree. But he's also an intelligent, honest day's work type of player that, in the right role, can contribute to winning. I'd rather that than lazy "me" players like DSJ.
RE: RE: Frank is not a starter  
nygiants16 : 7/28/2020 11:57 am : link
In comment 14939860 NYG22 said:
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In comment 14939849 nygiants16 said:


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he is a situational player, he is the guard verson of jared jeffries, i am not making anymoves based on frank..



I basically agree. But he's also an intelligent, honest day's work type of player that, in the right role, can contribute to winning. I'd rather that than lazy "me" players like DSJ.


i agree, frank can belp in the right role
RE: .  
Enzo : 7/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14939832 DanMetroMan said:
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Kenny Payne is helped develop Anthony Davis... just sayin'! He also has connections to KAT, Booker, Knox #Knicks

ha ha. These "connections" get more tenuous every year.
Joshua Longstaff is Kevin Durant's favorite coach  
Anakim : 7/28/2020 12:20 pm : link
Haha, tell me about it, Enzo
From Zach Lowe  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2020 3:10 pm : link
on his choice to leave Barrett off both all rookie teams. Agree or disagree?

"I hear the rage from New York Knicks fans, at least those with the will left to rage about anything other than James Dolan. RJ Barrett finished fourth among rookies in scoring -- 0.9 points ahead of Hachimura. I feel for Barrett. He's a decent playmaker who can't shoot, and the Knicks (of course) plopped him in the middle of a bunch of non-shooters -- leaving Barrett to drive into forests of bodies.

But his case ends at points per game. He ranks among the half-dozen worst rookies in most advanced stats. He shot 43% on 2s, and 61% at the line. Hachimura was semi-reliable -- 52% -- from 2-point range. He brings more positional and role versatility on both ends."
David West  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 3:32 pm : link
slammed the Thibs hire
RE: David West  
TyreeHelmet : 7/28/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14939994 DanMetroMan said:
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slammed the Thibs hire


Really dumb comments making it about race. 3/4 of the last Knicks head coaches were black. And saying it wasn’t on the players in Minny? They had 2 max guys who didn’t try a lick on defense. How about some accountability from those players making a fortune who didn’t win? Thibs was bad in Minn but he did get them to the playoffs and had major success everywhere else he’s been. Maybe David West can you scream on the bench and act like he contributed to the Warriors success.
Michael Kay is obsessed with the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 7/28/2020 5:07 pm : link
interviewing and/or hiring Jeff Van Gundy. The Knicks continue to be the only team that MUST interview JVG and Mark Jackson. Van Gundy has barely whiffed a job over the past decade.
Asked  
DanMetroMan : 7/28/2020 5:22 pm : link
this earlier but why isn't there more talk of Harrell? Just no chance he bolts LAC? Insanely underrated, Knicks fans would love him.
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