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Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.” The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence. Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.” Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later. |
I'm a firm believer that much of what we see that cannot be explained could be something "dark" or "black" from our own Government.
And of course 'reverse engineering' exists. If the US shot down a Chinese UAV (or AAV if you prefer) over a military installation, of course the military is going to reverse engineer it and study everything about it. The same way the Iranians did when they managed to take down a US drone a few years back.
If it's a military project, it likely comes from 'black' parts of the overall military budget. In theory, a select few in Congress should have oversight.
If it's CIA (and you like conspiracies :=) ) then they help facilitate the drug trade and skim some off the top to fund their activities. ;=)
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As for their possible altruistic motives, I'm not trying to be snarky, but I'd like to think they could do better than visiting a set of 30 school kids. If they are here, I wish they would.
I agree there are certainly possible motivations beyond my limited reasoning capacity. Won't stop me from trying.
It also kind of amazes me in this time of smart phones etc, we still have no clearer video than fuzzy fighter pilot footage or lights in the sky.
I'm a firm believer in alien life, the universe is so vast. I'm just not 100% sold it's been here.
linked here is some good analysis by respected ufologists Richard Dolan that breaks down the entire story.
The main point is, Eric Davis wrote the memo, who was the man quoted in the latest NY Times article and in both places you will find: "Reverse engineering programs are real, material and craft not of this earth, not made by human hands." Link - ( New Window )
I also found Bob Lazars claim that the vehicle he alleges to have studied, was found as part of an archeological dig.
While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.
As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?
If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch
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I find troubling are these special access projects that exist outside of official government channels. Where does their funding come from who is overwatching them it's one thing if they are private companies throwing billions into research of technologies but the impression I get from these articles is that it's a sub group of government outside the lines
If it's a military project, it likely comes from 'black' parts of the overall military budget. In theory, a select few in Congress should have oversight.
If it's CIA (and you like conspiracies :=) ) then they help facilitate the drug trade and skim some off the top to fund their activities. ;=) Link - ( New Window )
Which is exactly why the Mark Warner’s and Marco Rubio’s have got this disclosure and oversight now in their defense budget the President must sign, and The NY Times drip is helping to aid that cause.
The 2017 revelation that these UAP’s are truly Unidentified - not ours, not theirs but something else - has led to this moment. There has been a coverup. There is black budget UFO programs. These phenomena are real. The government HAS been studying them. There is a reverse engineering program that has been ongoing.
And Corso and Lazar have exposed aspects of it- and of course there is bullshit that goes along with it. But the central crux of the story has been revealed to be true and more is coming. And to my point - no one really seems to get it or give a shit. This is a HUGE fucking deal to the point where I have to wonder, why now? What are they distracting us from?
While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.
As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
I want the truth!
It’s a big news story and a few common sense steps should be taken:
1) present the evidence to the private, public, and educational research sectors
2) come to the very best conclusion to accelerate any scientific or security next steps
Personally, I believe there will be a common sense outcome or that one government agency isn’t in on the secret and this is nothing more than secret, boring, Earth bound R&D is the culprit.
But hey, if this is the nuts, show your cards.
While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.
As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
Brilliant setup and flawless finish.
Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?
If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch
What does being a man of science have to do with getting caught in a prostitution ring? I'm not tracking the logic here, scientists aren't moral crusaders.
mattlawson - thank you for understanding the method behind my madness!!!
It was a long troll on this thread!!
Calling him a Man of Science might be a stretch since he lied about his degrees:)
Eric Davis, on the other hand, is an actual scientist. He's also a nut who was one of the researchers of the supposedly haunted/possessed/whatever Skinwalker Ranch and claimed that a poltergeist followed him home from there. Of course, despite spending years there, he admitted they were able to document any actual evidence.
Ultimately, the NYT story (which was co-authored by another crackpot, Leslie Kean) didn't say much of anything beyond the usual claims from dubious characters like Davis.
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Stan couldn't get past the education discrepancies, but he also couldn't explain the craft test flight predictions or the inclusion in Los Alamos. Stan was not perfect - and not a perfect scientist as he made up his mind about Lazar and never let any further proof come into his mind that Lazar was dead on balls accurate as the years have revealed
Because they are classified top secret - though more is coming.
No one involved in this disclosure uses the word Aliens. They could be extra dimensional and here. There could be 2 earths with time running on polarities. They could be us traveling back through time. It could be ultra terrestrial species. It could be a once earthly civilization gone elsewhere and keeping tabs on us after an ancient cataclysm. Other.... etc, etc, etc.
No one has said aliens - what they have said is unidentified phenomena that is not America, and likely not chinese or russian in craft that defy known physics and we cannot duplicate that technology today... and these same craft have been recorded by credible witnesses for decades particularly around our weapons systems and nukes. This is a big fucking deal.
I'm not desperate - highly interested and almost beside myself that mainstream pubs like the NYT, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, Fox, and others are now covering this disclosure. I do wonder why now...
Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?
If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch
Lazar didn't claim to be at an archeological dig, he claimed that the machine he worked on was found at an archeological dig. He made no claim as to when it was found, just that he believed it was. I understand the skepticism, but if you have some extra time to kill one day, watch his documentary. (if you haven't already) It's on Netflix. They cover a lot of his past, but of course, it is his side of the story. His appearance on Joe Rogan was pretty good as well.
He has come out with many statements prefaced by what he can personally speak to and other things that are speculation and in briefings that he can not verify.
Who hires a guy who never received a degree in science (or possibly not at all) to reverse engineer secret technology?
What qualifications did he ever have to put him in that position to begin with? From there, all of his claims are based on nothing.
If a guy like Lazar is given access to sensitive materials, what does that say about the security and background checks of whomever is guarding those materials??
That's why skeptics latch onto scammers like Lazar. There is not a single credible thing in his background to suggest anything he's said holds water.
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Bingo. I read it twice because I was sure I must have been missing something. The things people tell themselves.
I too question why is this all coming out now? I recall on some show a few years back that somebody said that the a flaw flag event would occur in the near future using an alien threat to secure massive amounts of funding and sevure power for some elites in Governent and the public sector mainly tech companies. I don't believe it but it has always stuck in my head as a good idea if you could pull it off.
"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."
"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."
However, the biggest problem with that quote is the word "convinced" so they not seen any craft or crashed parts if they exist where are they at and who is managing research on them. That info I bet will never see the light of day.
That said I do think something is up here. What logical reason would our government need to publicly announce they are studying these things? For Davis to state "off world vehicles?"
Just spitballing but maybe we are about to have a major jump in technology that couldn’t be explained otherwise
Or for those conspiracy lovers we have been in contact with them and have to start to catch the public up before having “first contact “
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