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NFT: NYT - off world ufo technology confirmed and... no one cares

mattlawson : 7/27/2020 3:34 pm
This report has been rumored to be in the works for a while, I expect more of these to drop as the sources become comfortable with going public, but I wonder if normal people who do not follow this topic closely are seeing more and more newsworthy information presented these days.

TBH - I'm wondering why this isn't a bigger story - this should be everywhere. What do you all think? Disinformation? Nothing to see here? Seems like kind of a big deal to say conclusively in the NY Times and have it verified that "we can't make" these things, they are from "off-world" and "not made on this earth."

I mean this isn't the National Enquirer gang...

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Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence.

Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”

Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.

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I'm a fan of this enigma  
TXRabbit : 7/29/2020 12:24 am : link
I would love to see them parade out some actual hardware or wreckage for public scrutiny but doubt that would happen anytime soon. If such evidence exists I would like to assume that other countries have recovered similar artifacts and if so, what or who is holding them back from release to the world?

I'm a firm believer that much of what we see that cannot be explained could be something "dark" or "black" from our own Government.
What  
jtfuoco : 7/29/2020 1:56 am : link
I find troubling are these special access projects that exist outside of official government channels. Where does their funding come from who is overwatching them it's one thing if they are private companies throwing billions into research of technologies but the impression I get from these articles is that it's a sub group of government outside the lines
I'm a firm believer that aliens  
giants#1 : 7/29/2020 8:10 am : link
exist somewhere in the Universe, but the fact many (most?) sightings occur near military installations doesn't mean they (unless 'they' = Russian/Chinese) are studying our weapons/technology/tactics. The far more likely scenario is that the sightings are of military technology that is being detected.

And of course 'reverse engineering' exists. If the US shot down a Chinese UAV (or AAV if you prefer) over a military installation, of course the military is going to reverse engineer it and study everything about it. The same way the Iranians did when they managed to take down a US drone a few years back.
RE: What  
giants#1 : 7/29/2020 8:17 am : link
In comment 14940225 jtfuoco said:
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I find troubling are these special access projects that exist outside of official government channels. Where does their funding come from who is overwatching them it's one thing if they are private companies throwing billions into research of technologies but the impression I get from these articles is that it's a sub group of government outside the lines


If it's a military project, it likely comes from 'black' parts of the overall military budget. In theory, a select few in Congress should have oversight.

If it's CIA (and you like conspiracies :=) ) then they help facilitate the drug trade and skim some off the top to fund their activities. ;=)
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I have a hard time believing they'd be coming here for natural  
GiantsLaw : 7/29/2020 9:50 am : link
resources, of all the places to acquire resources in the universe. Also how do they expect to transfer said resources? I haven't seen any alien mining operations recently.
As for their possible altruistic motives, I'm not trying to be snarky, but I'd like to think they could do better than visiting a set of 30 school kids. If they are here, I wish they would.
I agree there are certainly possible motivations beyond my limited reasoning capacity. Won't stop me from trying.
It also kind of amazes me in this time of smart phones etc, we still have no clearer video than fuzzy fighter pilot footage or lights in the sky.
I'm a firm believer in alien life, the universe is so vast. I'm just not 100% sold it's been here.
If true, there is nothing we can do about it  
US1 Giants : 7/29/2020 10:25 am : link
Why worry about something which we cannot change? There are enough problems that we can do something about.
RE: Bold  
smshmth8690 : 7/29/2020 10:31 am : link
In comment 14940168 mattlawson said:
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Leaked a year ago from the estate of Edgar Mitchell, Apollo astronaut and believer - who referenced these documents for years way back on Larry King in the hey day of CNN latenight tv ;)

linked here is some good analysis by respected ufologists Richard Dolan that breaks down the entire story.

The main point is, Eric Davis wrote the memo, who was the man quoted in the latest NY Times article and in both places you will find: "Reverse engineering programs are real, material and craft not of this earth, not made by human hands." Link - ( New Window )


I also found Bob Lazars claim that the vehicle he alleges to have studied, was found as part of an archeological dig.
There's also the possibility..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2020 10:31 am : link
of undiscovered elements actually being worked on by military labs. It isn't like we've gone hundreds of years between discoveries. Just in 2016, four new elements were added to the periodic table.

While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.

As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
Didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2020 10:34 am : link
Lazar also claim to have degrees from MIT and Caltech too?

Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?

If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch

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mattlawson : 7/29/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 14940245 giants#1 said:
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I find troubling are these special access projects that exist outside of official government channels. Where does their funding come from who is overwatching them it's one thing if they are private companies throwing billions into research of technologies but the impression I get from these articles is that it's a sub group of government outside the lines



If it's a military project, it likely comes from 'black' parts of the overall military budget. In theory, a select few in Congress should have oversight.

If it's CIA (and you like conspiracies :=) ) then they help facilitate the drug trade and skim some off the top to fund their activities. ;=) Link - ( New Window )



Which is exactly why the Mark Warner’s and Marco Rubio’s have got this disclosure and oversight now in their defense budget the President must sign, and The NY Times drip is helping to aid that cause.

The 2017 revelation that these UAP’s are truly Unidentified - not ours, not theirs but something else - has led to this moment. There has been a coverup. There is black budget UFO programs. These phenomena are real. The government HAS been studying them. There is a reverse engineering program that has been ongoing.

And Corso and Lazar have exposed aspects of it- and of course there is bullshit that goes along with it. But the central crux of the story has been revealed to be true and more is coming. And to my point - no one really seems to get it or give a shit. This is a HUGE fucking deal to the point where I have to wonder, why now? What are they distracting us from?
RE: There's also the possibility..  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 11:14 am : link
In comment 14940293 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of undiscovered elements actually being worked on by military labs. It isn't like we've gone hundreds of years between discoveries. Just in 2016, four new elements were added to the periodic table.

While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.

As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?


I want the truth!
You..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2020 11:25 am : link
can't handle the truth!! (Tug violently on my jacket)

...  
christian : 7/29/2020 11:27 am : link
The “news” is a credible source like Reid and a credible publication like the Times are describing this in clear terms.

It’s a big news story and a few common sense steps should be taken:

1) present the evidence to the private, public, and educational research sectors

2) come to the very best conclusion to accelerate any scientific or security next steps

Personally, I believe there will be a common sense outcome or that one government agency isn’t in on the secret and this is nothing more than secret, boring, Earth bound R&D is the culprit.

But hey, if this is the nuts, show your cards.
RE: There's also the possibility..  
Big Al : 7/29/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 14940293 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of undiscovered elements actually being worked on by military labs. It isn't like we've gone hundreds of years between discoveries. Just in 2016, four new elements were added to the periodic table.

While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.

As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
i am not really up on this but could someone explain what we mean by undiscovered elements? An element is defined by the number of protons. We pretty much know them all up to a certain number. The ones we add to the periodic table are the high numbered elements which are unstable in nature and need to be manufactured by humans under special conditions and have a very very short life in the real world.
RE: You..  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 14940344 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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can't handle the truth!! (Tug violently on my jacket)



Brilliant setup and flawless finish.
RE: Didn't..  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2020 11:52 am : link
In comment 14940299 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Lazar also claim to have degrees from MIT and Caltech too?

Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?

If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch


What does being a man of science have to do with getting caught in a prostitution ring? I'm not tracking the logic here, scientists aren't moral crusaders.
It goes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2020 1:24 pm : link
to character. A guy who wants you to believe his "truths" has told outright lies about his degrees and seems like he's fairly unscrupulous all around!

mattlawson - thank you for understanding the method behind my madness!!!

It was a long troll on this thread!!
I don't think men of science view paying for sex  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2020 1:42 pm : link
as lacking character. That's for the moral crusaders.
RE: I don't think men of science view paying for sex  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2020 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14940412 Zeke's Alibi said:
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as lacking character. That's for the moral crusaders.


Calling him a Man of Science might be a stretch since he lied about his degrees:)
Lol true, but guy does have chops. It's hard to know what to believe  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2020 2:19 pm : link
with him. Imo I think he may have taken classes over there, exaggerated his creds, and it just snowballed into something he couldn't turn back from. More a victim of his own insecurity than anything. It's the only thing with him that has me scratching my head. Over time, it seems like more and more of his claims have been verified.
It seems to me  
Mike from SI : 7/29/2020 2:34 pm : link
that some of you guys are so desperate to believe that you exaggerate and leave your sense of credulity behind. For example, I have yet to see anything in that article that "confirmed" off-world UFO technology.
There  
Big Al : 7/29/2020 2:51 pm : link
does seem an overwhelming need for some people to believe in conspiracy theories. Hiding the evidence for this from the public. I as many others here believe that alien life is out there but it is not here. I am absolutely willing to change my opinion but I need real evidence not rumors about what this vast conspiracy is hiding.
Wait, people here take Bob Lazar seriously?  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2020 3:02 pm : link
You've got to be kidding me. He's a phony. Even Stanton Friedman, who was the furthest thing from a skeptic, had his number (link below).

Eric Davis, on the other hand, is an actual scientist. He's also a nut who was one of the researchers of the supposedly haunted/possessed/whatever Skinwalker Ranch and claimed that a poltergeist followed him home from there. Of course, despite spending years there, he admitted they were able to document any actual evidence.

Ultimately, the NYT story (which was co-authored by another crackpot, Leslie Kean) didn't say much of anything beyond the usual claims from dubious characters like Davis.
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They were NOT able to document, that is  
Greg from LI : 7/29/2020 3:03 pm : link
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On Lazar  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 3:06 pm : link
Now, the central crux of his revelations have been reported by the NY Times 30 years after. That's not exactly something to sneeze at. Do you actually think Lazar fans are not familiar with Stan's rebuttal?

Stan couldn't get past the education discrepancies, but he also couldn't explain the craft test flight predictions or the inclusion in Los Alamos. Stan was not perfect - and not a perfect scientist as he made up his mind about Lazar and never let any further proof come into his mind that Lazar was dead on balls accurate as the years have revealed
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mattlawson : 7/29/2020 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14940454 Greg from LI said:
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Because they are classified top secret - though more is coming.
RE: There  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14940447 Big Al said:
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does seem an overwhelming need for some people to believe in conspiracy theories. Hiding the evidence for this from the public. I as many others here believe that alien life is out there but it is not here. I am absolutely willing to change my opinion but I need real evidence not rumors about what this vast conspiracy is hiding.


No one involved in this disclosure uses the word Aliens. They could be extra dimensional and here. There could be 2 earths with time running on polarities. They could be us traveling back through time. It could be ultra terrestrial species. It could be a once earthly civilization gone elsewhere and keeping tabs on us after an ancient cataclysm. Other.... etc, etc, etc.

No one has said aliens - what they have said is unidentified phenomena that is not America, and likely not chinese or russian in craft that defy known physics and we cannot duplicate that technology today... and these same craft have been recorded by credible witnesses for decades particularly around our weapons systems and nukes. This is a big fucking deal.
RE: It seems to me  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14940444 Mike from SI said:
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that some of you guys are so desperate to believe that you exaggerate and leave your sense of credulity behind. For example, I have yet to see anything in that article that "confirmed" off-world UFO technology.


I'm not desperate - highly interested and almost beside myself that mainstream pubs like the NYT, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, Fox, and others are now covering this disclosure. I do wonder why now...
RE: Didn't..  
smshmth8690 : 7/29/2020 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14940299 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Lazar also claim to have degrees from MIT and Caltech too?

Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?

If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch


Lazar didn't claim to be at an archeological dig, he claimed that the machine he worked on was found at an archeological dig. He made no claim as to when it was found, just that he believed it was. I understand the skepticism, but if you have some extra time to kill one day, watch his documentary. (if you haven't already) It's on Netflix. They cover a lot of his past, but of course, it is his side of the story. His appearance on Joe Rogan was pretty good as well.
That’s not what he said either  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 3:22 pm : link
He said they were several craft - one of them supposedly came from an archeological dig.

He has come out with many statements prefaced by what he can personally speak to and other things that are speculation and in briefings that he can not verify.
Lazar's complete background..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 7/29/2020 3:43 pm : link
is a sham, including some of the claims of the jobs he's worked on.

Who hires a guy who never received a degree in science (or possibly not at all) to reverse engineer secret technology?

What qualifications did he ever have to put him in that position to begin with? From there, all of his claims are based on nothing.

If a guy like Lazar is given access to sensitive materials, what does that say about the security and background checks of whomever is guarding those materials??

That's why skeptics latch onto scammers like Lazar. There is not a single credible thing in his background to suggest anything he's said holds water.
I’m open to other explanations. Given the news maybe y’all should too  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 5:21 pm : link
Here is a primer on how from TTSA to new patents to The NY Times and implications for the world religions where we are today given these recent revelations
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RE: It seems to me  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2020 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14940444 Mike from SI said:
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that some of you guys are so desperate to believe that you exaggerate and leave your sense of credulity behind. For example, I have yet to see anything in that article that "confirmed" off-world UFO technology.


Bingo. I read it twice because I was sure I must have been missing something. The things people tell themselves.
Hmm. Cuz I kinda quoted it in the original post...  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 5:44 pm : link
Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
Fatman....I'll be an honest I don't know all about Lazar's background  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2020 5:49 pm : link
so I just did some digging. On his Wiki up in the little section under the photo to the right is Criminal Charges - pandering, trade of illegal goods. My original thought is Fatman's right this guy is a charlatan that sounds serious! Then I get to the section about his criminal charges, and essentially it seems he procured a prostitute and whatever he did on the illegal goods side was a $7,500 fine, which is an inconsequential fine. Who else has minor criminal charges like that and has them listed right in their profile on Wiki? No one I could find, after a quick search. It seems to me that there is an active movement to discredit the guy.
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jtfuoco : 7/29/2020 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14940641 mattlawson said:
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Here is a primer on how from TTSA to new patents to The NY Times and implications for the world religions where we are today given these recent revelations Link - ( New Window )


I too question why is this all coming out now? I recall on some show a few years back that somebody said that the a flaw flag event would occur in the near future using an alien threat to secure massive amounts of funding and sevure power for some elites in Governent and the public sector mainly tech companies. I don't believe it but it has always stuck in my head as a good idea if you could pull it off.
False Flag event? You'd never be able to sell it. If it was an attem  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/29/2020 6:02 pm : link
to grab power and money using aliens as the justification, people aren't that stupid. We could put all the resources of the world into a singular focus and we'd still get buttfucked by aliens if they had the ability to come here from some far-away time or place.
Bob Lazar  
jtfuoco : 7/29/2020 6:27 pm : link
I go back and forth on the guy. However, his case is not clear cut for a few reasons. First if he is just a random guy who made this all up why has his house been raided twice by the FBI with the most recent one just a few years ago. Second, why did the Los Alamos labs say he never worked there when his name is in the phone book and he is in the local paper listed as a scientist there. Finally, his social security number is gone and well as other key personal documents for somebody that made up a bunch of crap somebody went through a lot of work to erase and discredit him. Not to mention he never wrote a book or charged money speaking at UFO convention circuits the guy has not made one dime off his story. With that all said his story has a ton of holes and not a single person after all these years will verify the guy was ever at S4 or knew who he was. So that is why I am mixed on the topic
More will come out about him - I think there’s a lot to it.  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 6:32 pm : link
Back to the OP - from the follow up the next day just so that all is not pinned on Eric Davis despite his credibility:

"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."
That explains  
XBRONX : 7/29/2020 6:55 pm : link
how the lizard people got here.
RE: More will come out about him - I think there’s a lot to it.  
jtfuoco : 7/29/2020 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14940693 mattlawson said:
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Back to the OP - from the follow up the next day just so that all is not pinned on Eric Davis despite his credibility:

"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."


However, the biggest problem with that quote is the word "convinced" so they not seen any craft or crashed parts if they exist where are they at and who is managing research on them. That info I bet will never see the light of day.
Special access programs  
mattlawson : 7/29/2020 8:46 pm : link
Classified top secret. There has been a coverup. It’s all being confirmed right now, if you told me 20 years ago this was going to happen I’d have said you’re crazy. To the point I’m wondering what’s the trick being pulled... why right now
I don't think anything really hinges on Lazar  
widmerseyebrow : 7/30/2020 1:59 am : link
There's nothing original or credible about his story. I think anyone could fabricate a similar story on top of some small bits of truth.

That said I do think something is up here. What logical reason would our government need to publicly announce they are studying these things? For Davis to state "off world vehicles?"
RE: Special access programs  
eli4life : 7/30/2020 2:33 am : link
In comment 14940788 mattlawson said:
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Classified top secret. There has been a coverup. It’s all being confirmed right now, if you told me 20 years ago this was going to happen I’d have said you’re crazy. To the point I’m wondering what’s the trick being pulled... why right now


Just spitballing but maybe we are about to have a major jump in technology that couldn’t be explained otherwise

Or for those conspiracy lovers we have been in contact with them and have to start to catch the public up before having “first contact “
Could be  
mattlawson : 7/30/2020 8:40 am : link
Those patents filed through the navy are pretty darn interesting. Maybe we’ve had a reverse engineering breakthrough after all
CNN bump  
mattlawson : 7/30/2020 8:30 pm : link
Pentagon task force to release UFO encounter reports
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The distance between earth and the closest inhabitable planet  
GeofromNJ : 8/1/2020 10:13 am : link
is so vast that it's vain to think any civilization could ever traverse it. The nearest star to earth (other than the sun) is Alpha Centauri which is 4.4 light-years away. One light year is 6 trillion miles (9 trillion km).
Either they are  
XBRONX : 8/1/2020 10:17 am : link
time travelers or come from a parallel universe. LOL
They have mastered the technology to travel through wormholes  
Big Al : 8/1/2020 11:12 am : link
A wormhole is a speculative structure linking disparate points in spacetime, and is based on a special solution of the Einstein field equations. Theoretical models of wormholes postulate it is an adelic homogeneous subset whose imaginary field is an ideal in a Z-graded ring.
Could be  
mattlawson : 8/1/2020 11:37 am : link
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