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| Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.” The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence. Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.” Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later. |
Part of that is people don't really know exactly what this means or what the impact and/or next steps are.
I guess we can all shake fists at the clouds. That would be one response. Or we could have unfettered panic. Or we can wait to figure out more information
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I can't even wrap my head around that..........
I think maybe what I'm getting at, is for those of us who follow this subject closely, feeling that we are not alone in the Universe and are likely being visited by beings not from Earth (I don't know where they are from either another dimension or planet in our own), it creates a feeling of awe, of yearning to know more. I would hope that if so called non-believers who see that the U.S. and other governments are actively researching these craft, might also feel that sense of wonder and really question our place in the Universe.
Humans have been sending probes and telescopes into the universe for decades for data gathering and scientific learning purposes. If other beings are actually traveling to our planet, is it likely that they can simply jump off a ship and survive here, or that they can travel here in a single lifetime?
I believe there is other life in the galaxy. I think most people do. What I think most don't believe is that other beings are visiting our planet. When proof of a visitor is found, I think you will see the reaction you are now imagining.
Marty have you seen the Gimbal video? Have you listened the eyewitness account Commander David Fravor of his experience encountering a tic-tac shaped craft?
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to suggest that this article suggests we are being visited by beings from other worlds or other dimensions.
I believe there is other life in the galaxy. I think most people do. What I think most don't believe is that other beings are visiting our planet. When proof of a visitor is found, I think you will see the reaction you are now imagining.
What reaction are we supposed to have? Are we supposed to mobilize to seek out other life? Should we start to play out scenarios of alien encounters? I'm not really sure why it matters on the extent that people care.
When people have prosthelytize to me, I ask the question, "Why does it matter how many people believe in your God", I don't often get an answer. Same thing here. Why does it matter how many people believe?
Section there are numerous reports that US Government and govt contractors are in possession of materials from crashed craft.
I can't even wrap my head around that..........
Kinda scary, right? We're talking about the best and brightest saying "Yeah, sorry, but thats beyond the range of our gross knowledge of the universe". Like you said, hard to wrap your head around.
I suspect with more diverse scrutiny, there would be simple a explanation on the origin of the material. And that the likely reason there isn’t more scrutiny is because the government agency who is looking into this, wasn’t in on the secret of the agency who produced it.
The general consensus is that life is most likely to occur on a planet orbiting an F, G, or K star. (The sun is a G star.) The problem is that about 75% of the stars in the galaxy are M class red dwarfs, which are extremely dim. Planets orbiting red dwarfs are therefore not considered to be good candidates for the development of life, although some astronomers think otherwise. (Fifty of the closest 63 stars to our sun are red dwarfs.)
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The general consensus is that life is most likely to occur on a planet orbiting an F, G, or K star. (The sun is a G star.) The problem is that about 75% of the stars in the galaxy are M class red dwarfs, which are extremely dim. Planets orbiting red dwarfs are therefore not considered to be good candidates for the development of life, although some astronomers think otherwise. (Fifty of the closest 63 stars to our sun are red dwarfs.) Lists of stars within 75 light years - ( New Window )
Great post!
"We couldn't make it ourselves" isn't the same as "Not from this Earth." Because "ourselves" could mean the USA, and another country could have secret technology. Could, but probably not. This isn't the same as an announcement that we've found alien stuff.
Also, as much as I love Star Trek, I also know enough history to know that when a technologically superior civilization encounters a technologically inferior one, it's almost always catastrophic for the technologically inferior civilization. Best case scenario is when the inferior civilization decides to fully embrace the new tech, as Japan did in the 2nd half of the 19th century — which led to victory in the Russo-Japanese war and then disaster in WWII. That rapid modernization also caused massive cultural upheaval. I would not be eager for a "First Contact" scenario.
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....that doesn't come somehow from the element table?
I can't even wrap my head around that..........
Kinda scary, right? We're talking about the best and brightest saying "Yeah, sorry, but thats beyond the range of our gross knowledge of the universe". Like you said, hard to wrap your head around.
"Kinda scary, right?" That is exactly the implied message behind the government released info. The new History Channel show Unidentified, is chock full of former military & secret service insiders, who have suddenly decided that they can't remain silent any longer. Each one's message is clear, this is a threat. Is it really? People have been reporting sightings for about 100 years. (or longer), If it truly was a threat, we'd all be speaking 'Martian' by now.
I recently watched Steven Greer's Close Encounters Of The Fifth Kind, and while there was a lot of things posed as facts, that I just don't believe, they do mention the same fear based stance these people are taking.
After re-reading my reply to j_rud's post, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, the reply wasn't meant towards anyone, just the constant threat narrative. Hey, this phenomenon could very well be a threat, but after all these years, we probably would know by now.
As for what it could be, sure all bets are on. Interplanetary, dimensional, or time travelers, could be anything. Witnesses to the Rendlesham Forest incident at Bentwaters AFB in England in the 80's, have laid claim to time travelers. The interesting thing about time travel is that if ever becomes possible, then time travelers would be here now, theoretically...
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intriguing. Just what materials are they supposedly talking about.
Section there are numerous reports that US Government and govt contractors are in possession of materials from crashed craft.
Well, produce them. What is so important that these items are being hidden from the public?
I don't believe we are alone, but until the Vulcans show up in Montana and appear to Dr Zefram Cochrane I'll reserve my enthusiasm.(yes flippant response)
Heck I have a friend that says people with blue eyes are descendants of aliens and he is a huge believer in extraterrestrials.
The ocean is so uncharted, the ocean is scary.
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intriguing. Just what materials are they supposedly talking about.
Section there are numerous reports that US Government and govt contractors are in possession of materials from crashed craft.
Well, produce them. What is so important that these items are being hidden from the public?
I don't believe we are alone, but until the Vulcans show up in Montana and appear to Dr Zefram Cochrane I'll reserve my enthusiasm.(yes flippant response)
Heck I have a friend that says people with blue eyes are descendants of aliens and he is a huge believer in extraterrestrials.
Some people believe that folks with negative blood types are also descendants of aliens.
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intriguing. Just what materials are they supposedly talking about.
Section there are numerous reports that US Government and govt contractors are in possession of materials from crashed craft.
Well, produce them. What is so important that these items are being hidden from the public?
I don't believe we are alone, but until the Vulcans show up in Montana and appear to Dr Zefram Cochrane I'll reserve my enthusiasm.(yes flippant response)
Heck I have a friend that says people with blue eyes are descendants of aliens and he is a huge believer in extraterrestrials.
Exactly. If there's all this cool tech that defies the laws of physics as we understand them, then let's see it!
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to suggest that this article suggests we are being visited by beings from other worlds or other dimensions.
I believe there is other life in the galaxy. I think most people do. What I think most don't believe is that other beings are visiting our planet. When proof of a visitor is found, I think you will see the reaction you are now imagining.
What reaction are we supposed to have? Are we supposed to mobilize to seek out other life? Should we start to play out scenarios of alien encounters? I'm not really sure why it matters on the extent that people care.
When people have prosthelytize to me, I ask the question, "Why does it matter how many people believe in your God", I don't often get an answer. Same thing here. Why does it matter how many people believe?
There's a major difference between believing and knowing. If we have verifiable proof that aliens have visited Earth, it would be the most important moment in human history.
But the meaning of verifiable evidence seems to escape many here.
again - what are we supposed to do with the info in the article? What actionable events are we supposed to partake in?
Bold Ruler, have you read The Day After Roswell? I thought it was an entertaining book, and if it is true, then it is likely that is what is being discussed in the NYT article.
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I suspect with more diverse scrutiny, there would be simple a explanation on the origin of the material. And that the likely reason there isn’t more scrutiny is because the government agency who is looking into this, wasn’t in on the secret of the agency who produced it.
There really isn't a marked difference there as both require some form of faith until evidence shows otherwise. I mean the evidence suggests that Jesus Christ existed. But the evidence he rose from the dead or performed miracles doesn't exist.
At this point in time, alleged "non-Earth" materials are about the same as the Shroud of Turin or any Biblical artifact. The Holy Grail. All those objects require a certain amount of faith that they are supernatural until the evidence either confirms or denies the claims.
I actually believe there are other species out there, just like I believe in a Supreme Being, but I can't tell you what the value is in believing in both, either or neither.
I mean, we had Holy Wars over beliefs. But only non-Earth materials have "real" scientific and public safety impacts?
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"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information. But the retrieved materials themselves, and any data about them, are completely off-limits to anyone without clearances and a need to know."
Bold Ruler, have you read The Day After Roswell? I thought it was an entertaining book, and if it is true, then it is likely that is what is being discussed in the NYT article. The Day After Roswell - ( New Window )
I have. Corso makes a very compelling case as does Bob Lazar.
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"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information. But the retrieved materials themselves, and any data about them, are completely off-limits to anyone without clearances and a need to know."
Bold Ruler, have you read The Day After Roswell? I thought it was an entertaining book, and if it is true, then it is likely that is what is being discussed in the NYT article. The Day After Roswell - ( New Window )
I have. Corso makes a very compelling case as does Bob Lazar.
Bob Lazar's case gets more compelling with every admission by the government. I would bet that he has a piece of Element 115. I would also bet that having it is protecting him somehow.
IMHO, it’s pretty simple - natural resources. Same reason we explore our planet, mine for coal, dig for oil, and have begun to explore the immediate vicinity of our solar system (including comets passing through)
One thing we can generally agree on is there is a certain set of physical laws in the universe. One of which is something cannot be powered in a vacuum - it needs some kind of force to be applied. That requires a form of fuel
While any extraterrestrial beings visiting earth are light years more advanced than we are, it’s no stretch to assume they still require resources to power their civilization. And if they have the technology to explore other worlds, it’s no stretch to assume they’d visit a planet like earth to search for and mine said resources.
Generally I agree with the notion that we, as a civilization/species, probably aren’t all that fascinating to a species that can explore space. Would be kind of equivalent to us being curious when we see a family of animals in their habitat. Interesting, but mostly indifferent to whatever our purpose is.
I think one compelling case is the Ariel School mass sighting in Zimbabwe in 1994. Many school children came away with images and thoughts about humans needing to take care of the planet. They had never had such concerns prior to the sighting.
Similarly, many military nuclear facilities have has UFO activity along with unexplained deactivation of the missiles.
It is quite possible that whoever/whatever these beings are, they are trying to keep a bunch of barely evolved monkeys from destroying their own planet.
I think one compelling case is the Ariel School mass sighting in Zimbabwe in 1994. Many school children came away with images and thoughts about humans needing to take care of the planet. They had never had such concerns prior to the sighting.
Similarly, many military nuclear facilities have has UFO activity along with unexplained deactivation of the missiles.
It is quite possible that whoever/whatever these beings are, they are trying to keep a bunch of barely evolved monkeys from destroying their own planet.
All fair points
I’ll confess to being a bit of an Ancient Aliens fan...and while I fully admit a lot of that stuff is lunatic fringe, there are some compelling things that can’t be ignored.
As in a variety of ancient civilizations leaving behind hieroglyphs that depict images looking a lot like spacecraft.
Point being, it’s no stretch to assume if we are being visited, it’s be going on for a long, long time. Possible predating the evolution of human beings in current form
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(they show our understanding of physics is either quite basic or fundamentally wrong), our primitive brains couldn't possibly understand motivations of one or more species/civilizations in observing Earth. There are so many possibilities it boggles the mind.
I think one compelling case is the Ariel School mass sighting in Zimbabwe in 1994. Many school children came away with images and thoughts about humans needing to take care of the planet. They had never had such concerns prior to the sighting.
Similarly, many military nuclear facilities have has UFO activity along with unexplained deactivation of the missiles.
It is quite possible that whoever/whatever these beings are, they are trying to keep a bunch of barely evolved monkeys from destroying their own planet.
All fair points
I’ll confess to being a bit of an Ancient Aliens fan...and while I fully admit a lot of that stuff is lunatic fringe, there are some compelling things that can’t be ignored.
As in a variety of ancient civilizations leaving behind hieroglyphs that depict images looking a lot like spacecraft.
Point being, it’s no stretch to assume if we are being visited, it’s be going on for a long, long time. Possible predating the evolution of human beings in current form
Arthur C. Clarke wasn't just spit-balling. It is a legitimate theory, but one we will never ever know the answer to.
And why do they only abduct and probe drunk hillbillies? Are those the beings they have identified as most like themselves? Are all the crashes just extraterrestrial DUIs?
At this point in time, alleged "non-Earth" materials are about the same as the Shroud of Turin or any Biblical artifact. The Holy Grail. All those objects require a certain amount of faith that they are supernatural until the evidence either confirms or denies the claims.
I actually believe there are other species out there, just like I believe in a Supreme Being, but I can't tell you what the value is in believing in both, either or neither.
I mean, we had Holy Wars over beliefs. But only non-Earth materials have "real" scientific and public safety impacts?
There are myriad scientific implications to determining if someone has discovered a non-Earth object. It would be the scientific discovery of our lifetime. There is no faith or leap of faith component necessary. Just scientific analysis.
If the full analysis of the government has determined an object is of unknown origin — the government should allow the private or educational research sector to review it.
The same type of rigor should be applied, that is applied to antiquities. And just like with the spiritual relics you described, after full rigor, it likely turns out there isn’t anything hocus pocus about them. I’d wager that would be the result of a public analysis of the objects described in the article.
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If there is a serious scientific anomaly, the goal isn’t to prove or disprove the existence of little green men, it’s to understand the origin of the objects (likely to end in a common sense outcomes).
All kinds of insights can be gleaned that aren’t hocus pocus — 1) is it crashed satellite debris that’s been atomically altered due to radiation exposure in space 2) is it earth bound and been altered due to environmental factors 3) is it earth bound and evidence of advanced or accidental factors we or another nation employed 4) is there some factor to truly believe the age or composition truly couldn’t originate on Earth.
Any of those factors present exponentially more relevant scientific and security findings, than proving there are or aren’t aliens or proving there are or are not gods.
“Whaddya wanna know? Actually, it’ll be simpler if I just shoot. It happened, OK. Sixty-two kids between the ages of about six and 12 saw the aliens land and get out of their little ships. When the kids returned to class they were completely freaked and couldn’t stop nattering about little men who looked a bit like Michael Jackson. The teachers told them to shut up, as teachers are wont to do, and classes proceeded."
“Whaddya wanna know? Actually, it’ll be simpler if I just shoot. It happened, OK. Sixty-two kids between the ages of about six and 12 saw the aliens land and get out of their little ships. When the kids returned to class they were completely freaked and couldn’t stop nattering about little men who looked a bit like Michael Jackson. The teachers told them to shut up, as teachers are wont to do, and classes proceeded."
there's a documentary coming out about it soon. https://www.arielphenomenon.com/
James Fox paused his documentary as well due to COVID. He's working on a new release plan now and rumors are it's huge.
All I can say is in following this topic for 2 decades I have never seen, nor did I ever expect to see, this level of forward mainstream attention.
It's not a belief anymore, it's not a fringe topic either. The NY Times story from Dec 2017 changed everything and it remains their #1 media request in the history of the paper. It's happening, but I'm still a little weirded out about why now....
Matt can you give me a primer on the Wilson memo? Still confused.
And why do they only abduct and probe drunk hillbillies? Are those the beings they have identified as most like themselves? Are all the crashes just extraterrestrial DUIs?
This is a straw man at best. And you strike me as someone who has not looked into this topic for more than 5 seconds.
What if these phenomena are simply here and always have been.
Instantaneous lift and change of direction indicates no propulsion, but an energy source described by Bob Lazar 30 years ago, anti-gravity. Do we have that ability now? Did we in the oughts? 90's? 80's? 70's? 60's? Military sightings all over the world from each decade indicate this phenomenon has been interested in our weapons systems and war patterns for a long time.
Check out UFO's and Nukes sometime - used to be on youtube but was removed. here's a portion:
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linked here is some good analysis by respected ufologists Richard Dolan that breaks down the entire story.
The main point is, Eric Davis wrote the memo, who was the man quoted in the latest NY Times article and in both places you will find: "Reverse engineering programs are real, material and craft not of this earth, not made by human hands."
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They first have to wrap their head around that either one central group is controlling the secret information (and evidence) and/or that multiple governments, some of whom aren't friendly with one another, are uniting to keep the information secret.
There are a bunch of wingnut Art Bell followers who buy into the idea that the US is in communication with aliens and even know of abductions and allow them to happen. While we might like to think the US is the center of the universe, somebody has to collect debris from Mongolia, New Zealand, Bolivia and Albania and abscond with it before anyone has put a camera on the wreckage, or photographed the green men who resemble Michael Jackson (maybe that's how he moonwalked??).
Even the Rendlesham Forest sightings in the UK didn't involve any recovered material. Just curious sightings near what? An air force base!!
Our sources told us that “A.A.V.” does not refer to vehicles made in any country — not Russian or Chinese — but is used to mean technology in the realm of the truly unexplained. They also assure us that their briefings are based on facts, not belief.
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If and when there is credible reporting, from a credible publication, that a private entity is in possession of something interesting then I am all ears.
From all of the Times reporting so far, all I gather is the US government is in possession of something they cannot attribute an origin. That on its own would be amazing.
Yeah, that's the way I took it also. It's a regurgitation of older news. I believe there is life on other planets but actually I thought there would be more meat in this link
linked here is some good analysis by respected ufologists Richard Dolan that breaks down the entire story.
The main point is, Eric Davis wrote the memo, who was the man quoted in the latest NY Times article and in both places you will find: "Reverse engineering programs are real, material and craft not of this earth, not made by human hands." Link - ( New Window )
That is some disturbing shit if true and maybe why its coming to light now. I get that secrecy is needed but such a limited circle of people...no wonder they haven't made much progress. It runs counter to how problems are solved, software is developed in the internet era.
I'm a firm believer that much of what we see that cannot be explained could be something "dark" or "black" from our own Government.
And of course 'reverse engineering' exists. If the US shot down a Chinese UAV (or AAV if you prefer) over a military installation, of course the military is going to reverse engineer it and study everything about it. The same way the Iranians did when they managed to take down a US drone a few years back.
If it's a military project, it likely comes from 'black' parts of the overall military budget. In theory, a select few in Congress should have oversight.
If it's CIA (and you like conspiracies :=) ) then they help facilitate the drug trade and skim some off the top to fund their activities. ;=)
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As for their possible altruistic motives, I'm not trying to be snarky, but I'd like to think they could do better than visiting a set of 30 school kids. If they are here, I wish they would.
I agree there are certainly possible motivations beyond my limited reasoning capacity. Won't stop me from trying.
It also kind of amazes me in this time of smart phones etc, we still have no clearer video than fuzzy fighter pilot footage or lights in the sky.
I'm a firm believer in alien life, the universe is so vast. I'm just not 100% sold it's been here.
linked here is some good analysis by respected ufologists Richard Dolan that breaks down the entire story.
The main point is, Eric Davis wrote the memo, who was the man quoted in the latest NY Times article and in both places you will find: "Reverse engineering programs are real, material and craft not of this earth, not made by human hands." Link - ( New Window )
I also found Bob Lazars claim that the vehicle he alleges to have studied, was found as part of an archeological dig.
While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.
As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?
If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch
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I find troubling are these special access projects that exist outside of official government channels. Where does their funding come from who is overwatching them it's one thing if they are private companies throwing billions into research of technologies but the impression I get from these articles is that it's a sub group of government outside the lines
If it's a military project, it likely comes from 'black' parts of the overall military budget. In theory, a select few in Congress should have oversight.
If it's CIA (and you like conspiracies :=) ) then they help facilitate the drug trade and skim some off the top to fund their activities. ;=) Link - ( New Window )
Which is exactly why the Mark Warner’s and Marco Rubio’s have got this disclosure and oversight now in their defense budget the President must sign, and The NY Times drip is helping to aid that cause.
The 2017 revelation that these UAP’s are truly Unidentified - not ours, not theirs but something else - has led to this moment. There has been a coverup. There is black budget UFO programs. These phenomena are real. The government HAS been studying them. There is a reverse engineering program that has been ongoing.
And Corso and Lazar have exposed aspects of it- and of course there is bullshit that goes along with it. But the central crux of the story has been revealed to be true and more is coming. And to my point - no one really seems to get it or give a shit. This is a HUGE fucking deal to the point where I have to wonder, why now? What are they distracting us from?
While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.
As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
I want the truth!
It’s a big news story and a few common sense steps should be taken:
1) present the evidence to the private, public, and educational research sectors
2) come to the very best conclusion to accelerate any scientific or security next steps
Personally, I believe there will be a common sense outcome or that one government agency isn’t in on the secret and this is nothing more than secret, boring, Earth bound R&D is the culprit.
But hey, if this is the nuts, show your cards.
While not out of the realm of possibility that a device is not from earth, it isn't like that's the only explanation and because people aren't immediately taking action that it is unsettling.
As mentioned above - what is the appropriate response? What action would you like to see?
Brilliant setup and flawless finish.
Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?
If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch
What does being a man of science have to do with getting caught in a prostitution ring? I'm not tracking the logic here, scientists aren't moral crusaders.
mattlawson - thank you for understanding the method behind my madness!!!
It was a long troll on this thread!!
Calling him a Man of Science might be a stretch since he lied about his degrees:)
Eric Davis, on the other hand, is an actual scientist. He's also a nut who was one of the researchers of the supposedly haunted/possessed/whatever Skinwalker Ranch and claimed that a poltergeist followed him home from there. Of course, despite spending years there, he admitted they were able to document any actual evidence.
Ultimately, the NYT story (which was co-authored by another crackpot, Leslie Kean) didn't say much of anything beyond the usual claims from dubious characters like Davis.
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Stan couldn't get past the education discrepancies, but he also couldn't explain the craft test flight predictions or the inclusion in Los Alamos. Stan was not perfect - and not a perfect scientist as he made up his mind about Lazar and never let any further proof come into his mind that Lazar was dead on balls accurate as the years have revealed
Because they are classified top secret - though more is coming.
No one involved in this disclosure uses the word Aliens. They could be extra dimensional and here. There could be 2 earths with time running on polarities. They could be us traveling back through time. It could be ultra terrestrial species. It could be a once earthly civilization gone elsewhere and keeping tabs on us after an ancient cataclysm. Other.... etc, etc, etc.
No one has said aliens - what they have said is unidentified phenomena that is not America, and likely not chinese or russian in craft that defy known physics and we cannot duplicate that technology today... and these same craft have been recorded by credible witnesses for decades particularly around our weapons systems and nukes. This is a big fucking deal.
I'm not desperate - highly interested and almost beside myself that mainstream pubs like the NYT, Scientific American, Popular Mechanics, Fox, and others are now covering this disclosure. I do wonder why now...
Also, why would such a man of science get caught up in a prostitution ring as well?
If you are going to fabricate degrees, fabricating being at a dig site probably isn't too much of a stretch
Lazar didn't claim to be at an archeological dig, he claimed that the machine he worked on was found at an archeological dig. He made no claim as to when it was found, just that he believed it was. I understand the skepticism, but if you have some extra time to kill one day, watch his documentary. (if you haven't already) It's on Netflix. They cover a lot of his past, but of course, it is his side of the story. His appearance on Joe Rogan was pretty good as well.
He has come out with many statements prefaced by what he can personally speak to and other things that are speculation and in briefings that he can not verify.
Who hires a guy who never received a degree in science (or possibly not at all) to reverse engineer secret technology?
What qualifications did he ever have to put him in that position to begin with? From there, all of his claims are based on nothing.
If a guy like Lazar is given access to sensitive materials, what does that say about the security and background checks of whomever is guarding those materials??
That's why skeptics latch onto scammers like Lazar. There is not a single credible thing in his background to suggest anything he's said holds water.
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Bingo. I read it twice because I was sure I must have been missing something. The things people tell themselves.
I too question why is this all coming out now? I recall on some show a few years back that somebody said that the a flaw flag event would occur in the near future using an alien threat to secure massive amounts of funding and sevure power for some elites in Governent and the public sector mainly tech companies. I don't believe it but it has always stuck in my head as a good idea if you could pull it off.
"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."
"Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information."
However, the biggest problem with that quote is the word "convinced" so they not seen any craft or crashed parts if they exist where are they at and who is managing research on them. That info I bet will never see the light of day.
That said I do think something is up here. What logical reason would our government need to publicly announce they are studying these things? For Davis to state "off world vehicles?"
Just spitballing but maybe we are about to have a major jump in technology that couldn’t be explained otherwise
Or for those conspiracy lovers we have been in contact with them and have to start to catch the public up before having “first contact “
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