Pats still have alot of talent on D. The O LIne was a problem last year and Cannon was their best tackle. Really thin at OT now.
not so sure about this, their OL wasn't great last year true and without Scarnecchia it was expected to continue to struggle, but they now lost their top 4 LB's from last year.
Pats still have alot of talent on D. The O LIne was a problem last year and Cannon was their best tackle. Really thin at OT now.
Phone rings....
[Dave Gettleman] Hey Bill, how ya doing buddy. Just heard the news on Cannon. We got a couple of young tackles we'd like to develop and Nate Solder is available for just a 2021 7th round pick. Already knows your system.
If I were him, I'd opt out. With his son having severe medical problems, I wouldn't risk it. He'd push his guaranteed money to 2021 and take a cash advance.
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Linebacker Dont’a Hightower is reportedly opting out of the 2020 season. His fiancé just had a baby earlier this month.
And why would that make Hightower eligible? Are they going to allow opt outs annually for any players with newborns during flu season? Because the flu is THREE TIMES more deadly to children under the age of 15 (including newborns) than COVID. In fact, COVID has only killed 36 total people under the age of 15 in this country. Meanwhile since COVID hit...the flu has killed 104. And those are facts.
If I were him, I'd opt out. With his son having severe medical problems, I wouldn't risk it. He'd push his guaranteed money to 2021 and take a cash advance.
eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Yes, I got that. I was inquiring as to why you thought he would be eligible for the "at risk" pay, due to having newborn. As newborns are not at risk.
eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Yes, I got that. I was inquiring as to why you thought he would be eligible for the "at risk" pay, due to having newborn. As newborns are not at risk.
I'm never one to say who has or doesn't have "enough" money. But Hightower has earned over $44M in his career and Cannon over $30M.
Just from football contracts. No idea if they have other businesses, investments or sources of income.
I don't know at this point of their respective careers 200k difference in pay would motivate them to do something they weren't 100 percent in favor of doing.
eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Wow, $150K pay to not work this year? That is extremely generous by the owners.
eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Wow, $150K pay to not work this year? That is extremely generous by the owners.
Considering the players are working out and preparing 12 months out of the year, it's the least the owners can do.
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This is an adjustment worth noting - the working deadline for opt outs was initially believed to be Aug. 3. Now, more clarity.
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Per source, the opt out deadline will be seven days from the signing of the revised CBA. It hasn’t been signed yet. Thus the earliest possible deadline for opting out is currently August 4.
eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Wow, $150K pay to not work this year? That is extremely generous by the owners.
Considering the players are working out and preparing 12 months out of the year, it's the least the owners can do.
Strange take. It's ok to say something that is not negative about ownership.
To think players shouldn't get paid for the work they put in.
Maybe it's not clear to you, they are opting out of the season and the 150k is for those players who do not have a material health or personal risk. IOW, they are saying they will NOT work because they choose not to.
I'm out, whatever you plan to respond with I'll just say now, is more likely than not complete bullshit.
To think players shouldn't get paid for the work they put in.
Maybe it's not clear to you, they are opting out of the season and the 150k is for those players who do not have a material health or personal risk. IOW, they are saying they will NOT work because they choose not to.
I'm out, whatever you plan to respond with I'll just say now, is more likely than not complete bullshit.
The players have been working out and doing what they can from home since February. They deserve to be paid for any off-season work they're done. No need to be a snowflake if you don't like it.
snowflake. it's always the most insecure who lob insults at a person and not challenge the point.
I guess you don't know how contracts work. The league was not required to offer a voluntary opt-out with a stipend at all despite what you think the players deserve for the home based workouts to stay in shape.
Now, I'm really out, I'll leave you to your snowflake slaying.
snowflake. it's always the most insecure who lob insults at a person and not challenge the point.
I guess you don't know how contracts work. The league was not required to offer a voluntary opt-out with a stipend at all despite what you think the players deserve for the home based workouts to stay in shape.
Now, I'm really out, I'll leave you to your snowflake slaying.
vonritz, they're paid to perform in games. That's literally the job... in your mind I guess, Antonio Brown is owed $150k too - his offseason workouts have been pretty intense... hell I'm owed $150K, I train after work too!
Hey no skin off my back - billionaires in what is probably a matter of good faith and taking a long-term outlook in that they want these guys back in 2021 - have elected to essentially donate $150K to their low risk players who dont feel like playing. That's very nice of them... but these players arent owed shit.
As a general rule, people arent owed shit... unfortunately too many think they are.
I wonder if the high amount of Pats is because they don't think
Hygienist. High risk job. Don’t think she’s getting 150 K. Me. I’m still going into ICUs and doing my job when they need me to. I get paid well but also like to Think That I do it to help save lives.
Football really isn’t important and I’m starting to hope the major sports collapse and that some owners and players get a dose of what loss and how this reality is hitting most of us.
Hygienist. High risk job. Don’t think she’s getting 150 K. Me. I’m still going into ICUs and doing my job when they need me to. I get paid well but also like to Think That I do it to help save lives.
Football really isn’t important and I’m starting to hope the major sports collapse and that some owners and players get a dose of what loss and how this reality is hitting most of us.
I dont think thats entirely fair. Most athletes, in all the sports, are playing this year.. trying to earn a living... and most that arent do have valid reasons not to play as well (not that its our place to judge... to each their own)
If I were him, I'd opt out. With his son having severe medical problems, I wouldn't risk it. He'd push his guaranteed money to 2021 and take a cash advance.
What guaranteed money?
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
Not sure who makes that call or how they determine it.
There are only 3 high risk opt outs so far (Cannon from the Pats, Pierce from MIN, and Brantley from WAS) as of yesterday.
If you don't have a medical exemption/high risk determination and voluntarily opt out you do not accrue a year of service. And the 150k stipend is subtracted from your 2021 salary (if you make the team).
The Cowboys have a UDFA (Stephen Guidry) who opted out and he is not eligible for the 150k stipend, doesn't accrue a year of service, and the Cowboys still retain his rights. Unless he's just not satisfied with the safety protocols, not sure I get that one. He does get to keep his 10k signing bonus.
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I wonder what Solder's going to
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I wonder what Solder's going to
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
Correct. He has guaranteed money on the books this year, so that's pushed back.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I wonder what Solder's going to
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
Correct. He has guaranteed money on the books this year, so that's pushed back.
According to OTC $3M of this year's salary is guaranteed and none of next year's. So after opting out, he will cost the team $3M next year upon his release in March.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I wonder what Solder's going to
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
Correct. He has guaranteed money on the books this year, so that's pushed back.
According to OTC $3M of this year's salary is guaranteed and none of next year's. So after opting out, he will cost the team $3M next year upon his release in March.
Salary yes, but the restrctured bonus is guaranteed
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Linebacker Dont’a Hightower is reportedly opting out of the 2020 season. His fiancé just had a baby earlier this month.
Marcus Cannon & Danny Vitale are also opting out. #7news
Hmmmmm. They likely won't have the opportunity though.
not so sure about this, their OL wasn't great last year true and without Scarnecchia it was expected to continue to struggle, but they now lost their top 4 LB's from last year.
Hightower, Collins, Van Noy, and Roberts
Chiefs offensive lineman Laurent Duvernay-Tardif.
Ravens kick returner D’Anthony Thomas.
Seahawks offensive lineman Chance Warmack.
Cowboys cornerback Maurice Canady.
Patriots guard Najee Toran.
Patriots offensive lineman Marcus Cannon.
Patriots linebacker Don’a Hightower
Patriots linebacker Brandon Bolden.
Patriots fullback Danny Vitale.
Washington defenive lineman Caleb Brantley.
Ravens offensive lineman Andre Smith.
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Phone rings....
[Dave Gettleman] Hey Bill, how ya doing buddy. Just heard the news on Cannon. We got a couple of young tackles we'd like to develop and Nate Solder is available for just a 2021 7th round pick. Already knows your system.
[Bill Belichick] ......{silence}......
[DG] Bill, you still there?
[BB] *hangs up the phone*
[DG] Dammit, so close!
Pats are tanking for Trevor
If I were him, I'd opt out. With his son having severe medical problems, I wouldn't risk it. He'd push his guaranteed money to 2021 and take a cash advance.
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Linebacker Dont’a Hightower is reportedly opting out of the 2020 season. His fiancé just had a baby earlier this month.
And why would that make Hightower eligible? Are they going to allow opt outs annually for any players with newborns during flu season? Because the flu is THREE TIMES more deadly to children under the age of 15 (including newborns) than COVID. In fact, COVID has only killed 36 total people under the age of 15 in this country. Meanwhile since COVID hit...the flu has killed 104. And those are facts.
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If I were him, I'd opt out. With his son having severe medical problems, I wouldn't risk it. He'd push his guaranteed money to 2021 and take a cash advance.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Chiefs offensive lineman Laurent Duvernay-Tardif.
Ravens kick returner De'Anthony Thomas.
Seahawks offensive lineman Chance Warmack.
Cowboys cornerback Maurice Canady.
Washington defenive lineman Caleb Brantley.
Patriots fullback Danny Vitale.
Patriots guard Najee Toran.
Patriots offensive lineman Marcus Cannon.
Patriots linebacker Dont’a Hightower.
Patriots running back Brandon Bolden.
Patriots safety Patrick Chung.
Ravens offensive lineman Andre Smith.
Cowboys wide receiver Stephen Guidry.
Texans defensive tackle Eddie Vanderdoes.
Broncos defensive tackle Kyle Peko.
Bears defensive tackle Eddie Goldman.
Titans offensive lineman Anthony McKinney.
Saints tight end Cole Wick.
Bills defensive tackle Star Lotulelei.
Vikings defensive tackle Michael Pierce.
Eagles wide receiver Marquise Goodwin.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Yes, I got that. I was inquiring as to why you thought he would be eligible for the "at risk" pay, due to having newborn. As newborns are not at risk.
Pats are tanking for Trevor
Signing Cam Newton was a brilliant cover up too.
(As not one player dares to opt out...)
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eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Yes, I got that. I was inquiring as to why you thought he would be eligible for the "at risk" pay, due to having newborn. As newborns are not at risk.
I'm never one to say who has or doesn't have "enough" money. But Hightower has earned over $44M in his career and Cannon over $30M.
Just from football contracts. No idea if they have other businesses, investments or sources of income.
I don't know at this point of their respective careers 200k difference in pay would motivate them to do something they weren't 100 percent in favor of doing.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Wow, $150K pay to not work this year? That is extremely generous by the owners.
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eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Wow, $150K pay to not work this year? That is extremely generous by the owners.
Considering the players are working out and preparing 12 months out of the year, it's the least the owners can do.
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This is an adjustment worth noting - the working deadline for opt outs was initially believed to be Aug. 3. Now, more clarity.
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Per source, the opt out deadline will be seven days from the signing of the revised CBA. It hasn’t been signed yet. Thus the earliest possible deadline for opting out is currently August 4.
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eligible to opt out without penalty for any reason.
Under the agreement reached between the NFL and the NFLPA, players have until August 3rd to choose to opt out of the year ahead. Players deemed to be in the “high-risk” category will earn $350,000 for the upcoming season, and those not placed in that category will earn $150,000 for the year ahead.
Wow, $150K pay to not work this year? That is extremely generous by the owners.
Considering the players are working out and preparing 12 months out of the year, it's the least the owners can do.
Strange take. It's ok to say something that is not negative about ownership.
Maybe it's not clear to you, they are opting out of the season and the 150k is for those players who do not have a material health or personal risk. IOW, they are saying they will NOT work because they choose not to.
I'm out, whatever you plan to respond with I'll just say now, is more likely than not complete bullshit.
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To think players shouldn't get paid for the work they put in.
Maybe it's not clear to you, they are opting out of the season and the 150k is for those players who do not have a material health or personal risk. IOW, they are saying they will NOT work because they choose not to.
I'm out, whatever you plan to respond with I'll just say now, is more likely than not complete bullshit.
The players have been working out and doing what they can from home since February. They deserve to be paid for any off-season work they're done. No need to be a snowflake if you don't like it.
I guess you don't know how contracts work. The league was not required to offer a voluntary opt-out with a stipend at all despite what you think the players deserve for the home based workouts to stay in shape.
Now, I'm really out, I'll leave you to your snowflake slaying.
I guess you don't know how contracts work. The league was not required to offer a voluntary opt-out with a stipend at all despite what you think the players deserve for the home based workouts to stay in shape.
Now, I'm really out, I'll leave you to your snowflake slaying.
Lol! You should reread your posts Francis.
Hey no skin off my back - billionaires in what is probably a matter of good faith and taking a long-term outlook in that they want these guys back in 2021 - have elected to essentially donate $150K to their low risk players who dont feel like playing. That's very nice of them... but these players arent owed shit.
As a general rule, people arent owed shit... unfortunately too many think they are.
Not sure why I was surprised.
Football really isn’t important and I’m starting to hope the major sports collapse and that some owners and players get a dose of what loss and how this reality is hitting most of us.
Football really isn’t important and I’m starting to hope the major sports collapse and that some owners and players get a dose of what loss and how this reality is hitting most of us.
I dont think thats entirely fair. Most athletes, in all the sports, are playing this year.. trying to earn a living... and most that arent do have valid reasons not to play as well (not that its our place to judge... to each their own)
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If I were him, I'd opt out. With his son having severe medical problems, I wouldn't risk it. He'd push his guaranteed money to 2021 and take a cash advance.
What guaranteed money?
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
Not sure who makes that call or how they determine it.
There are only 3 high risk opt outs so far (Cannon from the Pats, Pierce from MIN, and Brantley from WAS) as of yesterday.
If you don't have a medical exemption/high risk determination and voluntarily opt out you do not accrue a year of service. And the 150k stipend is subtracted from your 2021 salary (if you make the team).
The Cowboys have a UDFA (Stephen Guidry) who opted out and he is not eligible for the 150k stipend, doesn't accrue a year of service, and the Cowboys still retain his rights. Unless he's just not satisfied with the safety protocols, not sure I get that one. He does get to keep his 10k signing bonus.
Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
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Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
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Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
Correct. He has guaranteed money on the books this year, so that's pushed back.
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Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
Correct. He has guaranteed money on the books this year, so that's pushed back.
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Solder is guaranteed a lot money this year (which is why it's difficult to cut him). If he opts out, he pushes that money to 2021 and gets a flat rate of $150,000 this year (I believe).
I must've missed it, when was this year's salary or any portion of it guaranteed?
His 2020 salary isn't guaranteed, but he restructured last September moving guaranteed 2019 salary to a guaranteed bonus (prorated over the remainder of his contract) clearing cap room for 2019. So he has 9.5M in guaranteed money this year (and some guaranteed for next year).
Correct. He has guaranteed money on the books this year, so that's pushed back.
According to OTC $3M of this year's salary is guaranteed and none of next year's. So after opting out, he will cost the team $3M next year upon his release in March.
Salary yes, but the restrctured bonus is guaranteed