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NFLPA files appeal on behalf of Deandre Baker

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/28/2020 11:36 am
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoSNY

The NFLPA officially filed an appeal of the NFL's decision to place Giants CB DeAndre Baker on the "commissioner's exempt list" last night.

They asked for an immediate hearing before "an Article 46 joint disciplinary review officer" which they are entitled to under the new CBA.
Can  
AcidTest : 7/28/2020 11:41 am : link
the Giants still bar him from camp even if he wins the appeal? I'm not saying they should, just asking.
The NFLPA is right to do this.  
Tom in NY : 7/28/2020 11:55 am : link
I have no idea if Baker is a criminal or not, but placing anyone in a punitive situation while only being accused of a crime doesn't sit well with me. The concept of innocent until proven guilty is too important to give away.
If there were video evidence, I could see this type of action until a trial was complete.
With conflicting witness testimonies, accusations of bribery, etc. it just seems like a big mess and needs to be processed by the courts.
I'm not happy that Baker was involved in any of it, but our country if founded upon certain core principles, and he is entitled to those rights.
RE: Can  
Giantsfan79 : 7/28/2020 11:56 am : link
In comment 14939854 AcidTest said:
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the Giants still bar him from camp even if he wins the appeal? I'm not saying they should, just asking.


they can cut him anytime they want.
RE: The NFLPA is right to do this.  
BH28 : 7/28/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14939862 Tom in NY said:
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I have no idea if Baker is a criminal or not, but placing anyone in a punitive situation while only being accused of a crime doesn't sit well with me. The concept of innocent until proven guilty is too important to give away.
If there were video evidence, I could see this type of action until a trial was complete.
With conflicting witness testimonies, accusations of bribery, etc. it just seems like a big mess and needs to be processed by the courts.
I'm not happy that Baker was involved in any of it, but our country if founded upon certain core principles, and he is entitled to those rights.


The NFL isn't a court of law or constitutional body, innocent until proven guilty does not apply.

It's similar to how you can get fired for practicing your right to free speech because it doesn't apply to private institutions.
Corporations let people go based on accusations alone all the time  
Milton : 7/28/2020 12:39 pm : link
When I was at Deloitte, two individuals were fired over accusations between the two. Management didn't know which of the two was lying, so both were canned.

The NFL and NFLPA have a CBA that allows for it. The NFLPA is going through the motions because that's their job when a member complains, but they will lose the appeal.
MIlton & BH28  
Tom in NY : 7/28/2020 12:56 pm : link
The issue here is that the average NFL player has a 3 year career, and a limited window to earn compensation. IF Baker is not guilty of a crime, he would have lost a season of playing time negatively effecting his future earnings.
While the examples provided about Deloitte and other private entities are legal, they are none the less actionable by the wrongfully terminated employee AND they do have the ability to work elsewhere. Baker has nowhere else to go, and the union does need to keep the NFL in check on these type of actions.

BTW, I am typically all for cutting players, suspending them, etc. for criminal/off the field activities. I just want to know for sure that the accused action(s) are true before taking this type of step.
RE: MIlton & BH28  
BH28 : 7/28/2020 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14939906 Tom in NY said:
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The issue here is that the average NFL player has a 3 year career, and a limited window to earn compensation. IF Baker is not guilty of a crime, he would have lost a season of playing time negatively effecting his future earnings.
While the examples provided about Deloitte and other private entities are legal, they are none the less actionable by the wrongfully terminated employee AND they do have the ability to work elsewhere. Baker has nowhere else to go, and the union does need to keep the NFL in check on these type of actions.

BTW, I am typically all for cutting players, suspending them, etc. for criminal/off the field activities. I just want to know for sure that the accused action(s) are true before taking this type of step.


He is still getting paid while on exempt list. Fair or unfair, when you are a pro athlete, there is a higher bar to stay out of these types of situations. Innocent or guilty, it's poor judgement by the athlete. That's why you see contracts limiting the 'off-field' activities an athlete can do.
RE: RE: Can  
shyster : 7/28/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14939863 Giantsfan79 said:
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they can cut him anytime they want.


Not without unacceptable cap consequence.
RE: RE: MIlton & BH28  
Tom in NY : 7/28/2020 1:29 pm : link
In comment 14939916 BH28 said:
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In comment 14939906 Tom in NY said:


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The issue here is that the average NFL player has a 3 year career, and a limited window to earn compensation. IF Baker is not guilty of a crime, he would have lost a season of playing time negatively effecting his future earnings.
While the examples provided about Deloitte and other private entities are legal, they are none the less actionable by the wrongfully terminated employee AND they do have the ability to work elsewhere. Baker has nowhere else to go, and the union does need to keep the NFL in check on these type of actions.

BTW, I am typically all for cutting players, suspending them, etc. for criminal/off the field activities. I just want to know for sure that the accused action(s) are true before taking this type of step.



He is still getting paid while on exempt list. Fair or unfair, when you are a pro athlete, there is a higher bar to stay out of these types of situations. Innocent or guilty, it's poor judgement by the athlete. That's why you see contracts limiting the 'off-field' activities an athlete can do.


Ok...and yet the point still stands, the union needs to protect it's members by challenging these decisions. If not, the league can start to accept any claims against the players as a reason to suspend/apply the commissioner's exempt list.
I get it, he's getting a paycheck which is more than 99% of Americans would get. The point is his career is very short....6 years would make him highly successful by league averages. If he's suspended for year 2, how does he make up that time in his career? Answer is he doesn't.

If he's guilty, I have NO problem with cutting/suspending him. If there is video evidence and/or credible witnesses, the same. In this case, it seems awfully clouded.
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GiantEgo : 7/28/2020 1:42 pm : link
The justice system is slow and with COVID even slower. A trial if it goes that far could easily be 2 years away.
I think  
fireitup77 : 7/28/2020 2:30 pm : link
the NFL is mishandling this. The prosecutors haven't even filed any charges yet. Baker is claiming he is be extorted. If an accusation can cause a player to be put on the exempt list than get ready for more accusations and more players being extorted.

With everything else going on, nobody outside of hard core football fans would even know he was practicing. There is no press at the facilities. There is no harm to the NFL or the Giants to let Baker practice with the team.

If more information comes out and he is actually charged, then move him to the exempt list.

The NFL and the Giants are mishandling this.
Note to Deandre:  
MOOPS : 7/28/2020 2:52 pm : link
Don't show up to the hearing masked up.
RE: RE: RE: MIlton & BH28  
BH28 : 7/28/2020 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14939925 Tom in NY said:
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In comment 14939916 BH28 said:


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In comment 14939906 Tom in NY said:


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The issue here is that the average NFL player has a 3 year career, and a limited window to earn compensation. IF Baker is not guilty of a crime, he would have lost a season of playing time negatively effecting his future earnings.
While the examples provided about Deloitte and other private entities are legal, they are none the less actionable by the wrongfully terminated employee AND they do have the ability to work elsewhere. Baker has nowhere else to go, and the union does need to keep the NFL in check on these type of actions.

BTW, I am typically all for cutting players, suspending them, etc. for criminal/off the field activities. I just want to know for sure that the accused action(s) are true before taking this type of step.



He is still getting paid while on exempt list. Fair or unfair, when you are a pro athlete, there is a higher bar to stay out of these types of situations. Innocent or guilty, it's poor judgement by the athlete. That's why you see contracts limiting the 'off-field' activities an athlete can do.



Ok...and yet the point still stands, the union needs to protect it's members by challenging these decisions. If not, the league can start to accept any claims against the players as a reason to suspend/apply the commissioner's exempt list.
I get it, he's getting a paycheck which is more than 99% of Americans would get. The point is his career is very short....6 years would make him highly successful by league averages. If he's suspended for year 2, how does he make up that time in his career? Answer is he doesn't.

If he's guilty, I have NO problem with cutting/suspending him. If there is video evidence and/or credible witnesses, the same. In this case, it seems awfully clouded.


I am not disagreeing with you on the union protecting it's members. That is their job. Everyone in the league should know by now that if you get caught up in something like this you are going on the exempt list innocent or guilty. NFL has been doing this for a while. Ezekiel Elliot got suspended without ever being charged as well.

It's poor judgement by Baker and Dunbar in the first place knowing this is how the league operates.
This worries me  
Reale01 : 7/28/2020 3:40 pm : link
The Giants know a LOT more than we do about the situation. The path they have chosen makes me think Baker is not completely innocent and possibly guilty. I do not believe they would choose this path if they thought a dismissal was likely.
RE: This worries me  
BigBlueShock : 7/28/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14940002 Reale01 said:
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The Giants know a LOT more than we do about the situation. The path they have chosen makes me think Baker is not completely innocent and possibly guilty. I do not believe they would choose this path if they thought a dismissal was likely.

The NFL is behind this. The Giants have nothing to do with it.
The Giants have not given  
Dave on the UWS : 7/28/2020 3:50 pm : link
him permission to re join the team. That hasn’t changed since the “event”. The league office put him on the reserve list.
RE: This worries me  
FStubbs : 7/28/2020 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14940002 Reale01 said:
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The Giants know a LOT more than we do about the situation. The path they have chosen makes me think Baker is not completely innocent and possibly guilty. I do not believe they would choose this path if they thought a dismissal was likely.


If the Giants knew for certain that he was guilty, he wouldn't be a Giant.
Baker and Giants  
Chris : 7/29/2020 1:12 pm : link
A best case scenario may be Baker being held in limbo this whole season. I believe if he wasnt on the commisioner's exemption list, he would have been cut from the team already. If he is found guilty, then he is cut regardless. Unless there is clearcut evidence of extortion, I don't see the Giants welcoming Baker back midseason. If the case goes nowhere, then maybe the Giants give him another chance next season, when there is a full off season program for Judge to get to know him and for Baker to prove his commitment to being a team player and a good citizen.
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