So, 2021 remaining = 62mm less 16mm signing bonus less 11.5mm (2018) less another 11.5mm (2019) less forfeited 11.5mm (2020) = 11.5mm on the hook for 2021, but not guaranteed. Cap hit if cut after 2020 would be 4mm.
If that is the case, Nate Solder place his last game as a Giant more than likely.
He has $3M of his 2020 salary guaranteed. So they will be on the hook for $3M next year when he is released.
Thanks.
Where does it say that? It is a roster bonus not not 3 mil of his base salary. His roster bonus is paid already
Look under the guaranteed salary column.... - ( New Window )
I don't see a guaranteed salary column. What I do see is the prorated column that adds up to $23.5 mil and his 2018 and 2019 salaries that add up to $11.3 mil. When you add up those 2 you get the $34.8 total guaranteed money. I'm not saying you are wrong. I know you are good with this. I just don't see it.
I don't see a guaranteed salary column. What I do see is the prorated column that adds up to $23.5 mil and his 2018 and 2019 salaries that add up to $11.3 mil. When you add up those 2 you get the $34.8 total guaranteed money. I'm not saying you are wrong. I know you are good with this. I just don't see it.
It's in between the "workout bonus" column and the "cap number" column.
I don't see a guaranteed salary column. What I do see is the prorated column that adds up to $23.5 mil and his 2018 and 2019 salaries that add up to $11.3 mil. When you add up those 2 you get the $34.8 total guaranteed money. I'm not saying you are wrong. I know you are good with this. I just don't see it.
It's in between the "workout bonus" column and the "cap number" column.
I don't have that on my phone. The only columns I have are base salary, pro rated, roster bonus. So, if that is there then thank you.
I just switched to the desktop view on my phone and I see it now.
#Giants Nate Solder Having beaten cancer clearly qualifies for $350K plus accrues a season. Joins growing list of guys choosing to protect their Guaranteed Money from potential Covid shutdown. Health a factor for all parties, but so is money.
Owners getting interest free loans.
There was a chance he was going to get cut this year
I would imagine that it's a foregone conclusion that he will be cut next season after being out of football for a year and a half. I appreciate him making the decision that much easier for Gettleman.
i guess the next question is, is that 3 mil guaranteed the roster bonus or part of the base salary? If is weird to add up the prorated money and his first two year salaries and get the guaranteed number without that 3 mil.
Milton — my understanding of his contract is he has 4M left of his original signing bonus + 2.5M from 2019 when part of his salary was restructured into a signing bonus.
That would be 6.5M in dead money for 2021. And then add 3M for the roster bonus he earned this year?
Smart #Giants Nate Solder. Don’t risk your $9.9M. Take $350K, already got a $3M roster bonus plus $100K workout. If season shut down, Solder would lose $618,750 per game. And then get cut next offseason.
Also saves Giants $9.9M in Cash. Pretty valuable given cash flow concerns.
Some good and bad news from the Giants family he made the right decision and expressed it correctly his God and family come first. The bad is just like any injury next man up hopefully we have one somewhere but it’s sad but not stupidity related Giants news for a change.
signing someone like Griffen would be great if he even gets us to relevant in the playoff race. Using that money on another 6 win or less team isn't wise.
There is a margin of error for sure but even as recently as last year the LW trade is a perfect example of using resources on a lost season without moving the needle.
I'd advocate for the banking the money looking at our roster but if a number of players take a step forward and we add another piece we could make playoff noise conceivably. It's important that our front office shows improvement in understanding what is hopeful vs. reasonably expected.
My opinion of Solder’s play is no secret. I firmly believe Fleming and Thomas would be the two best tackles in a fair competition. So I don’t think this changes who the day one starters were going to be.
I really, really wish the Giants had signed Kelvin Beachum to a 1 year deal and let him battle it out with Fleming.
it doesn't make sense to try and sign Clowney, and he wants to play for a winner.
Agreed. Even if the 2021 cap were known, using Solder's freed up $$ to a 'splash' would be making the same mistake that DG did in 2018 signing all the FAs for Eli's last run, when it was/became clear they would not be competitive. Hopefully, they learned at least that lesson.
Only splash..should for a.proven center if.one.is out there
given both his health history, along with that of his family. He's making a wholly respectable and wise decision, and ultimately making the proper sacrifices necessary for his family.
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However, I find it very disappointing that Nate is one of those highly brain-washed individuals who believe some dude from over 2,000 years ago, who is described using little logic and zero science, who only survives to this day due to verbal and written folklore, is responsible for ANY aspect of Nate's life.
Nate missed a block and Eli/Daniel gets hammered by a 280 lb. natural freak of athleticism.
Nate:"Dear lord and savior Jesus Christ, please ensure on the next play no harm comes to my QB."
The next play: "False start on offense, #76."
Nate: "Oh thank you God, my prayers have been answered; I am forever in your flock, almighty God.
or example, just as you can't "pray away the gay," you also can't "pray away the poor play at LT for the NY Foot ball Giants." I'm calling it; Nat'e career as an NFL LT is over.
RE: Only splash..should for a.proven center if.one.is out there
if I was in that situation and already had as much in the bank, I'd spend every second I could with my child and wouldn't even like traveling as much as is typically necessary in a normal season. Wish him and his family the best.
One impact player can have a ripple effect. Also he has matured into an on field leader
Dave had all this cap space and did not sign a single
Impact player.
The offense will be way better if they can establish the run and play ball control, not asking DJ to carry the load. Can’t do that if you are down 22 because the D can’t stop anyone
Is this your big chance to share that.?
STFU
If Solder believes in God and he feels like this is the right choice for him and his FAMILY, then wish him well.
I admire the sincerity of your good wishes to Nate and his family, and I respect your conviction regarding what you perceive as the folly or fiction of religious faith. As someone who leans more towards Nate's outlook than yours, however, I wonder if there is anyone now dead who in some way influences YOUR life: a parent, a grandparent, the founder of a company, an artist, a musician - heck, Elvis or Kurt Cobain - a writer, a philosopher... If so, then you may want to consider that other people's point of view regarding their religion is not a difference in nature but in degree. To them (and I'll include myself), someone who walked the earth 2000 years ago apparently lived a life and death so important that his influence remains strong -- even immediate -- through the present day. I won't speak for Nate, but I hope you might reconsider the possibility that just as Bach or Hendrix or Mark Twain or Stan Lee "live on" in their music or writing, so too Jesus (or Muhammed or Buddha) live on in their words and deeds, and thus retain the power to change the minds and hearts of those who honor them.
I could say more, acknowledging the heinous misdeeds of religious zealots throughout history (from the Crusades to 9/11 and, sadly, so much more) and the appearance that many religious beliefs may appear no more substantial than "belief" in the Tooth Fairy, but I'll just leave it at that. If you can acknowledge that someone who is dead nonetheless continues to influence your life, then I hope that, even though you don't share someone else's faith, you'll at least entertain the possibility that they're not entirely delusional.
but holy douchebag. Solder is a good man, and seems like a model husband/father/son who has given a ton back to his communities and for cancer research. He doesn't deserve to be mocked for his religious beliefs even if you don't happen to agree with them.
Milton — my understanding of his contract is he has 4M left of his original signing bonus + 2.5M from 2019 when part of his salary was restructured into a signing bonus.
That would be 6.5M in dead money for 2021. And then add 3M for the roster bonus he earned this year?
given both his health history, along with that of his family. He's making a wholly respectable and wise decision, and ultimately making the proper sacrifices necessary for his family.
-------- Religious rant begins here. --------
However, I find it very disappointing that Nate is one of those highly brain-washed individuals who believe some dude from over 2,000 years ago, who is described using little logic and zero science, who only survives to this day due to verbal and written folklore, is responsible for ANY aspect of Nate's life.
Nate missed a block and Eli/Daniel gets hammered by a 280 lb. natural freak of athleticism.
Nate:"Dear lord and savior Jesus Christ, please ensure on the next play no harm comes to my QB."
The next play: "False start on offense, #76."
Nate: "Oh thank you God, my prayers have been answered; I am forever in your flock, almighty God.
or example, just as you can't "pray away the gay," you also can't "pray away the poor play at LT for the NY Foot ball Giants." I'm calling it; Nat'e career as an NFL LT is over.
If you are an atheist, no need to hate on others beliefs. We all have our doubts and/or varying levels of religious standing. Nobody said anything about the "Holy Spirit" improving Nate's play.
RE: As a cancer survivor myself, I think this is a smart decision
given both his health history, along with that of his family. He's making a wholly respectable and wise decision, and ultimately making the proper sacrifices necessary for his family.
-------- Religious rant begins here. --------
However, I find it very disappointing that Nate is one of those highly brain-washed individuals who believe some dude from over 2,000 years ago, who is described using little logic and zero science, who only survives to this day due to verbal and written folklore, is responsible for ANY aspect of Nate's life.
Nate missed a block and Eli/Daniel gets hammered by a 280 lb. natural freak of athleticism.
Nate:"Dear lord and savior Jesus Christ, please ensure on the next play no harm comes to my QB."
The next play: "False start on offense, #76."
Nate: "Oh thank you God, my prayers have been answered; I am forever in your flock, almighty God.
or example, just as you can't "pray away the gay," you also can't "pray away the poor play at LT for the NY Foot ball Giants." I'm calling it; Nat'e career as an NFL LT is over.
Lovely. I will go with a brain-washed individual over somebody lacking one any day of the week.
Baseball is one thing - if MLB wants to go forward with a quasi-exhibition season or whatever 2020 winds up being for them, fine - but NFL is so much more intensive on players, keeping themselves at obscene and unnatural weight and strength levels for an entire NFL season - we've already seen the results of shortened offseason programs over time, the increase in NFL injuries indisputable.
I think it's reckless to go forward in this manner - barely any meaningful training camp, no preseason, they're just going to run with the bulls without enough preparation.
I fear a rash of injuries. Barkley and Jones should sit to protect their futures.
Duggan on the Athletic says that the 2020 salary will be moved to 2021. If the Giants cut Soldier after this season then $3.5 million cap will be saved, and the Giants would eat $13 million in dead money. https://theathletic.com/1961103/2020/07/29/what-nate-solders-opt-out-means-for-the-giants/ - ( New Window )
As mentioned yesterday, Spotrac has updated its Nate Solder page.
They have Solder's dead cap at $6.5M for 2021.
The difference between that number and Duggan's number is two 2020 bonus numbers ($4M signing and $2.5M restructure) staying with 2020 accounting rather than being pushed to 2021.
Over the Cap has not updated Solder's page, but they have spelled out an accounting theory for opt-outs that appears consistent with Spotrac's numbers. You can find that at the outset of robbieballs' thread from yesterday.
Any hate going his way today are from idiotic overgrown babies that will live life permenently handicaped, stupid is forever. Good luck and God bless Nate.
Any hate going his way today are from idiotic overgrown babies that will live life permenently handicaped, stupid is forever. Good luck and God bless Nate.
Mostly +1 ... wisdom comes with age and experience.
Smart #Giants Nate Solder. Don’t risk your $9.9M. Take $350K, already got a $3M roster bonus plus $100K workout. If season shut down, Solder would lose $618,750 per game. And then get cut next offseason.
Also saves Giants $9.9M in Cash. Pretty valuable given cash flow concerns.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
Smart #Giants Nate Solder. Don’t risk your $9.9M. Take $350K, already got a $3M roster bonus plus $100K workout. If season shut down, Solder would lose $618,750 per game. And then get cut next offseason.
Also saves Giants $9.9M in Cash. Pretty valuable given cash flow concerns.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
There are more variables that go into it. Someone in Nate's situation will benefit from option out. However, lets say Barkley opted out. He is not at high risk so he doesn't get a vested year. That means he will be one year older beforr he hits FA and that could really hurt his long term value on a long term contract.
In Nate's case, since he is a high risk person, even with sitting out his year counts.
So, all these young guys on their first contracts that want to get a larger second contract it makes sense for them to play this year and hope they get the 6 games in or wha5ever they need to have this count as a year.
Markus Golden is another example. Sitting out won't help him get to where he needs to be. He wants to earn a larger contract. He has to be on the field to do that.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
Don't blame you for reading it that way but it's not the case for Solder because his remaining salary is not guaranteed.
If the Giants cut him before next season, he never gets the $9.9M salary.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
Don't blame you for reading it that way but it's not the case for Solder because his remaining salary is not guaranteed.
If the Giants cut him before next season, he never gets the $9.9M salary.
Nor roster bonus. I think just his pro-rated signing bonuses count.
correct. The Giants were not going to cut Solder this year. They already gave him $3 mil as a roster bonus. People focus on the dead money for some reason. No idea why. You have to worry about the dead money when structuring a contract. Once the contract is signed it doesn't matter anymore with decision making. You look at how much cap savings you'll get when releasing a player and if his replacement can be had for that.
If the Giants released Nate before he made his decision the Giants would only save $3.5 mil. They were better off keeping him. You could argue that they could have saved $6.5 before giving him the roster bonus but that is another conversation.
Now, because he opted out the numbers change which almost all the beat writers keep fucking up. Now we get a cap savings of around $10 mil this year. I dont know if his $350,000 amount gets put in there along with a $100,000 workout bonus because of this offseason. But lets just say approximately $10 mil.
Next year his number changes. If he didn't opt out we'd save $14 mil. But since he did opt out, we'll save another 7 mil on next year's cap I believe. So over the two years we are getting a cap savings of $17 mil. I think that is right. He'd be on the books for 9.9 base salary, plus .1 workout bonus plus 6.5 prorated for a total of $16.5. Subtract out the 6.5 prorated amount we have to pay to get to 10. Then subtract out another 3 for guaranteed salary. That is how you get 7 mil next year.
SIGNING BONUS = 16mm
Annual salary = 11.5mm
Signing bonus spread over 4 years = 4mm per year
Annual salary + bonus = 15.5mm
2018 = 15.5mm
2019 = 15.5mm
2020 = forfeited
So, 2021 remaining = 62mm less 16mm signing bonus less 11.5mm (2018) less another 11.5mm (2019) less forfeited 11.5mm (2020) = 11.5mm on the hook for 2021, but not guaranteed. Cap hit if cut after 2020 would be 4mm.
If that is the case, Nate Solder place his last game as a Giant more than likely.
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He has $3M of his 2020 salary guaranteed. So they will be on the hook for $3M next year when he is released.
Thanks.
Where does it say that? It is a roster bonus not not 3 mil of his base salary. His roster bonus is paid already
Look under the guaranteed salary column.... - ( New Window )
I don't see a guaranteed salary column. What I do see is the prorated column that adds up to $23.5 mil and his 2018 and 2019 salaries that add up to $11.3 mil. When you add up those 2 you get the $34.8 total guaranteed money. I'm not saying you are wrong. I know you are good with this. I just don't see it.
I don't see a guaranteed salary column. What I do see is the prorated column that adds up to $23.5 mil and his 2018 and 2019 salaries that add up to $11.3 mil. When you add up those 2 you get the $34.8 total guaranteed money. I'm not saying you are wrong. I know you are good with this. I just don't see it.
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I don't see a guaranteed salary column. What I do see is the prorated column that adds up to $23.5 mil and his 2018 and 2019 salaries that add up to $11.3 mil. When you add up those 2 you get the $34.8 total guaranteed money. I'm not saying you are wrong. I know you are good with this. I just don't see it.
It's in between the "workout bonus" column and the "cap number" column.
I don't have that on my phone. The only columns I have are base salary, pro rated, roster bonus. So, if that is there then thank you.
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#Giants Nate Solder Having beaten cancer clearly qualifies for $350K plus accrues a season. Joins growing list of guys choosing to protect their Guaranteed Money from potential Covid shutdown. Health a factor for all parties, but so is money.
Owners getting interest free loans.
That would be 6.5M in dead money for 2021. And then add 3M for the roster bonus he earned this year?
Smart #Giants Nate Solder. Don’t risk your $9.9M. Take $350K, already got a $3M roster bonus plus $100K workout. If season shut down, Solder would lose $618,750 per game. And then get cut next offseason.
Also saves Giants $9.9M in Cash. Pretty valuable given cash flow concerns.
There is a margin of error for sure but even as recently as last year the LW trade is a perfect example of using resources on a lost season without moving the needle.
I'd advocate for the banking the money looking at our roster but if a number of players take a step forward and we add another piece we could make playoff noise conceivably. It's important that our front office shows improvement in understanding what is hopeful vs. reasonably expected.
Along with several other players.
They will will all end up IMO as opting out of a season that will never exist.
Some guys will benefit from a year off to heal, some guys will be a year older and bad investments.
The split squad means Thomas and Peart practice with the other rookies and 1st year guys, right?
That's pretty bad arrangement anyway, why can't the team decide who goes in which split squad?
Can they change their minds about the 80/90 roster option so that Thomas can practice with the vets?
The split squad means Thomas and Peart practice with the other rookies and 1st year guys, right?
That's pretty bad arrangement anyway, why can't the team decide who goes in which split squad?
Can they change their minds about the 80/90 roster option so that Thomas can practice with the vets?
Real practices don't start until everyone comes together. The split squad is just walk throughs.
I really, really wish the Giants had signed Kelvin Beachum to a 1 year deal and let him battle it out with Fleming.
4M per yr for bonus pd 8
Salaries pd 18/19. 11.3
Roster bonus. 3
Signing bonus owed. 8
Restructure owed. 5
Cap purposes owed 13. With those dollars left I think he is done with The Giants and most likely the NFL
Time to put Thomas at LT and not look back.
I say use whatever cap....to a proven NFL Center....or.wait until one shakes loose
-------- Religious rant begins here. --------
However, I find it very disappointing that Nate is one of those highly brain-washed individuals who believe some dude from over 2,000 years ago, who is described using little logic and zero science, who only survives to this day due to verbal and written folklore, is responsible for ANY aspect of Nate's life.
Nate missed a block and Eli/Daniel gets hammered by a 280 lb. natural freak of athleticism.
Nate:"Dear lord and savior Jesus Christ, please ensure on the next play no harm comes to my QB."
The next play: "False start on offense, #76."
Nate: "Oh thank you God, my prayers have been answered; I am forever in your flock, almighty God.
or example, just as you can't "pray away the gay," you also can't "pray away the poor play at LT for the NY Foot ball Giants." I'm calling it; Nat'e career as an NFL LT is over.
I say use whatever cap....to a proven NFL Center....or.wait until one shakes loose
Would have to trade for one. Best free agent center available is Justin Britt but he’s only 9 months from a major ACL tear.
Dave had all this cap space and did not sign a single
Impact player.
The offense will be way better if they can establish the run and play ball control, not asking DJ to carry the load. Can’t do that if you are down 22 because the D can’t stop anyone
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For the Giants too.
I hope everything works out well for him and his family.
+1.
Same.
Is this your big chance to share that.?
STFU
If Solder believes in God and he feels like this is the right choice for him and his FAMILY, then wish him well.
This news is not a call for your religious views.
but I will make sure I pat you on the back for calling it if and when NS retires.
I could say more, acknowledging the heinous misdeeds of religious zealots throughout history (from the Crusades to 9/11 and, sadly, so much more) and the appearance that many religious beliefs may appear no more substantial than "belief" in the Tooth Fairy, but I'll just leave it at that. If you can acknowledge that someone who is dead nonetheless continues to influence your life, then I hope that, even though you don't share someone else's faith, you'll at least entertain the possibility that they're not entirely delusional.
Thanks.
That would be 6.5M in dead money for 2021. And then add 3M for the roster bonus he earned this year?
Duggan on the Athletic says that the 2020 salary will be moved to 2021. If the Giants cut Soldier after this season then $3.5 million cap will be saved, and the Giants would eat $13 million in dead money.
https://theathletic.com/1961103/2020/07/29/what-nate-solders-opt-out-means-for-the-giants/ - ( New Window )
-------- Religious rant begins here. --------
However, I find it very disappointing that Nate is one of those highly brain-washed individuals who believe some dude from over 2,000 years ago, who is described using little logic and zero science, who only survives to this day due to verbal and written folklore, is responsible for ANY aspect of Nate's life.
Nate missed a block and Eli/Daniel gets hammered by a 280 lb. natural freak of athleticism.
Nate:"Dear lord and savior Jesus Christ, please ensure on the next play no harm comes to my QB."
The next play: "False start on offense, #76."
Nate: "Oh thank you God, my prayers have been answered; I am forever in your flock, almighty God.
or example, just as you can't "pray away the gay," you also can't "pray away the poor play at LT for the NY Foot ball Giants." I'm calling it; Nat'e career as an NFL LT is over.
If you are an atheist, no need to hate on others beliefs. We all have our doubts and/or varying levels of religious standing. Nobody said anything about the "Holy Spirit" improving Nate's play.
-------- Religious rant begins here. --------
However, I find it very disappointing that Nate is one of those highly brain-washed individuals who believe some dude from over 2,000 years ago, who is described using little logic and zero science, who only survives to this day due to verbal and written folklore, is responsible for ANY aspect of Nate's life.
Nate missed a block and Eli/Daniel gets hammered by a 280 lb. natural freak of athleticism.
Nate:"Dear lord and savior Jesus Christ, please ensure on the next play no harm comes to my QB."
The next play: "False start on offense, #76."
Nate: "Oh thank you God, my prayers have been answered; I am forever in your flock, almighty God.
or example, just as you can't "pray away the gay," you also can't "pray away the poor play at LT for the NY Foot ball Giants." I'm calling it; Nat'e career as an NFL LT is over.
Lovely. I will go with a brain-washed individual over somebody lacking one any day of the week.
Baseball is one thing - if MLB wants to go forward with a quasi-exhibition season or whatever 2020 winds up being for them, fine - but NFL is so much more intensive on players, keeping themselves at obscene and unnatural weight and strength levels for an entire NFL season - we've already seen the results of shortened offseason programs over time, the increase in NFL injuries indisputable.
I think it's reckless to go forward in this manner - barely any meaningful training camp, no preseason, they're just going to run with the bulls without enough preparation.
I fear a rash of injuries. Barkley and Jones should sit to protect their futures.
My thoughts exactly although you could add about 5 guys to that list.
I'm not that desperate to be entertained to risk the future of NYG for meaningless football.
I don't see them using the cap relief this season. Maybe a trade as Phil alluded if the cap changes are a wash.
Duggan on the Athletic says that the 2020 salary will be moved to 2021. If the Giants cut Soldier after this season then $3.5 million cap will be saved, and the Giants would eat $13 million in dead money. https://theathletic.com/1961103/2020/07/29/what-nate-solders-opt-out-means-for-the-giants/ - ( New Window )
As mentioned yesterday, Spotrac has updated its Nate Solder page.
They have Solder's dead cap at $6.5M for 2021.
The difference between that number and Duggan's number is two 2020 bonus numbers ($4M signing and $2.5M restructure) staying with 2020 accounting rather than being pushed to 2021.
Over the Cap has not updated Solder's page, but they have spelled out an accounting theory for opt-outs that appears consistent with Spotrac's numbers. You can find that at the outset of robbieballs' thread from yesterday.
spotrac - ( New Window )
I wish, CHP, but retirement won't eliminate the dead cap because Solder has the money and can rightfully keep it.
Mostly +1 ... wisdom comes with age and experience.
Smart #Giants Nate Solder. Don’t risk your $9.9M. Take $350K, already got a $3M roster bonus plus $100K workout. If season shut down, Solder would lose $618,750 per game. And then get cut next offseason.
Also saves Giants $9.9M in Cash. Pretty valuable given cash flow concerns.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
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Smart #Giants Nate Solder. Don’t risk your $9.9M. Take $350K, already got a $3M roster bonus plus $100K workout. If season shut down, Solder would lose $618,750 per game. And then get cut next offseason.
Also saves Giants $9.9M in Cash. Pretty valuable given cash flow concerns.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
There are more variables that go into it. Someone in Nate's situation will benefit from option out. However, lets say Barkley opted out. He is not at high risk so he doesn't get a vested year. That means he will be one year older beforr he hits FA and that could really hurt his long term value on a long term contract.
In Nate's case, since he is a high risk person, even with sitting out his year counts.
So, all these young guys on their first contracts that want to get a larger second contract it makes sense for them to play this year and hope they get the 6 games in or wha5ever they need to have this count as a year.
Markus Golden is another example. Sitting out won't help him get to where he needs to be. He wants to earn a larger contract. He has to be on the field to do that.
If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
Don't blame you for reading it that way but it's not the case for Solder because his remaining salary is not guaranteed.
If the Giants cut him before next season, he never gets the $9.9M salary.
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If I’m reading this correctly, if the season gets derailed at any point, the players that actually decided to play lose their game checks for whatever games are canceled and never get to make that money up? But if they opt out, their contracts are totally pushed back a year, meaning they lose nothing? If that’s the case, why would ANY player decide to play in this awful season? Something doesn’t sound right about that
Don't blame you for reading it that way but it's not the case for Solder because his remaining salary is not guaranteed.
If the Giants cut him before next season, he never gets the $9.9M salary.
Nor roster bonus. I think just his pro-rated signing bonuses count.
If the Giants released Nate before he made his decision the Giants would only save $3.5 mil. They were better off keeping him. You could argue that they could have saved $6.5 before giving him the roster bonus but that is another conversation.
Now, because he opted out the numbers change which almost all the beat writers keep fucking up. Now we get a cap savings of around $10 mil this year. I dont know if his $350,000 amount gets put in there along with a $100,000 workout bonus because of this offseason. But lets just say approximately $10 mil.
Next year his number changes. If he didn't opt out we'd save $14 mil. But since he did opt out, we'll save another 7 mil on next year's cap I believe. So over the two years we are getting a cap savings of $17 mil. I think that is right. He'd be on the books for 9.9 base salary, plus .1 workout bonus plus 6.5 prorated for a total of $16.5. Subtract out the 6.5 prorated amount we have to pay to get to 10. Then subtract out another 3 for guaranteed salary. That is how you get 7 mil next year.