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NFT: 7 inning Double Header Games are

section125 : 7/30/2020 6:49 am
being looked at for the remainder of the season. Apparently MLBPA is polling players on the possibility of one nine inning game followed by a seven inning game or possibly just two seven inning games.
Reason is to reduce player and staff time together.

IMHO - if you don't transmit COVID in the first 3 hours of the first game, what are the chances of getting COVID in the next three hours and from whom? Players are sitting on the team bus for at least 30 minutes together - tighter than in the dugout or clubhouse.

I also understand that players are not using the showers in the clubhouses - but changing in their hotels. Not being able to shower between games would absolutely suck. But again, seems specious that they can't/aren't using the showers at the stadium. The players certainly are not social distancing in the dugouts nor are the vast majority wearing masks.

What thinkest thou?
That’s how I see it with schools  
UConn4523 : 7/30/2020 7:38 am : link
they are talking about a 5 hour school day instead of the normal 7-8 which doesn’t make sense to me. If you took all the precautions to make it happen and aren’t allowing new people to enter schools or classrooms throughout the day, why is going to turn into a morning program?
i don't know what to think anymore to be honest  
Jints in Carolina : 7/30/2020 8:13 am : link
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I feel like Jints  
LG in NYC : 7/30/2020 8:16 am : link
While I appreciate forward thinking to try and not be complacent, it is like ppl are just making shit up at this point.

i don't see why they cannot play 9 inning double headers  
Jints in Carolina : 7/30/2020 8:17 am : link
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They have the extra players to  
section125 : 7/30/2020 8:25 am : link
keep from overworking pitchers/players. The teams have asked MLB to delay the roster reductions(keep them at 30 at least until Sept 1st IMHO). Stay at 28 for season.

If anything, require masks in dugout and unused players out of the dugout(seats behind the dugout in case needed?)
RE: That’s how I see it with schools  
robbieballs2003 : 7/30/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14940931 UConn4523 said:
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they are talking about a 5 hour school day instead of the normal 7-8 which doesn’t make sense to me. If you took all the precautions to make it happen and aren’t allowing new people to enter schools or classrooms throughout the day, why is going to turn into a morning program?


I cant speak for all schools but it sounds like a lot of schools are doing a combination of in class learning and remote learning. If teachers are constantly covering classes then when are they doing remote learning? They aren't. You have to have time for that built into the schedule. Plus, schools where I am will have temp checks before entering. That will take a long time to get everyone checked so you have to reduce the time inside in classes as well otherwise a good chunk would always miss first period. They also want staggered times for leaving so it won't be a normal get up an go when the bell rings. I am assuming classes are getting dismissed one at a time.
I think  
PaulN : 7/30/2020 9:27 am : link
They should leave the games at 9 innings, but should leave the rosters at 30 for this season, what is the point of changing it. A puzzling commishioner, so far he does a smart thing, followed by a stupid thing.
I think the purpose of the 7 innings is that  
robbieballs2003 : 7/30/2020 9:36 am : link
this 60 game schedule is so maxed out as it is that teams don't have many off days and this is a way to save on some arms.

MLB is starting to resemble a summer adult league.....  
BillKo : 7/30/2020 9:40 am : link
...what's next, free substitution so players can come in and out of games? LOL

How about a 10-run mercy rule?

And let's restrict games to a three hour limit so everyone can make it home on time.............
RE: I think the purpose of the 7 innings is that  
section125 : 7/30/2020 9:44 am : link
In comment 14940985 robbieballs2003 said:
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this 60 game schedule is so maxed out as it is that teams don't have many off days and this is a way to save on some arms.



Robbie that is why they have extra players - to give more rest to players.
RE: RE: That’s how I see it with schools  
UConn4523 : 7/30/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14940976 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14940931 UConn4523 said:


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they are talking about a 5 hour school day instead of the normal 7-8 which doesn’t make sense to me. If you took all the precautions to make it happen and aren’t allowing new people to enter schools or classrooms throughout the day, why is going to turn into a morning program?



I cant speak for all schools but it sounds like a lot of schools are doing a combination of in class learning and remote learning. If teachers are constantly covering classes then when are they doing remote learning? They aren't. You have to have time for that built into the schedule. Plus, schools where I am will have temp checks before entering. That will take a long time to get everyone checked so you have to reduce the time inside in classes as well otherwise a good chunk would always miss first period. They also want staggered times for leaving so it won't be a normal get up an go when the bell rings. I am assuming classes are getting dismissed one at a time.


Apparently we are finding out next week. The original proposal was simply school closes at 12/1230pm and that's it, nothing at home after that just a pat on the ass and a good luck to the students and teachers. But I agree if its in tandem with an at-home program then they will need to account for that with needing time to do so.
RE: RE: RE: That’s how I see it with schools  
section125 : 7/30/2020 9:56 am : link
In comment 14940996 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14940976 robbieballs2003 said:


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In comment 14940931 UConn4523 said:


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they are talking about a 5 hour school day instead of the normal 7-8 which doesn’t make sense to me. If you took all the precautions to make it happen and aren’t allowing new people to enter schools or classrooms throughout the day, why is going to turn into a morning program?



I cant speak for all schools but it sounds like a lot of schools are doing a combination of in class learning and remote learning. If teachers are constantly covering classes then when are they doing remote learning? They aren't. You have to have time for that built into the schedule. Plus, schools where I am will have temp checks before entering. That will take a long time to get everyone checked so you have to reduce the time inside in classes as well otherwise a good chunk would always miss first period. They also want staggered times for leaving so it won't be a normal get up an go when the bell rings. I am assuming classes are getting dismissed one at a time.



Apparently we are finding out next week. The original proposal was simply school closes at 12/1230pm and that's it, nothing at home after that just a pat on the ass and a good luck to the students and teachers. But I agree if its in tandem with an at-home program then they will need to account for that with needing time to do so.


I hate to be a dick, but can we kindly keep it to baseball.
heh...the 10 run rule is the first thing I thought of, too  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2020 10:06 am : link
"OK, it's the sixth inning and the Yankees are up by 11 - game over!"
RE: heh...the 10 run rule is the first thing I thought of, too  
section125 : 7/30/2020 10:08 am : link
In comment 14941005 Greg from LI said:
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"OK, it's the sixth inning and the Yankees are up by 11 - game over!"


I see nothing wrong with that. No fans. Saves arms.
9 inning doubleheaders  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/30/2020 10:14 am : link
on the regular is going to really hurt teams with just 1 stud reliever, teams with deep bullpens will really take advantage. It might even lead to an overnight evolution of the Closer role for future full seasons.

7 inning doubleheaders limits that issue. Not sure how I feel about it, but whatever it takes to finish the season I'm for.
All the talk of 60 games in  
section125 : 7/30/2020 10:31 am : link
66 days.

Regular season is 162 games in 183/185 days(not including 30 games in 6 weeks of ST) - not that far different except in 66 days you do not have the total wear down of players that comes with 6 months of tedium and physicality of 162 games.

Yes not every team has the Yankees bullpen, but they do not have it in a regular season either.
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GiantEgo : 7/30/2020 10:44 am : link
It's an exhibition not a season. How can any of this be taken the least bit seriously?
RE: All the talk of 60 games in  
Mad Mike : 7/30/2020 10:45 am : link
In comment 14941019 section125 said:
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Yes not every team has the Yankees bullpen, but they do not have it in a regular season either.

And they don't have a lot of double headers in the regular season either.

I'm not really a fan of changing the rules of the actual game to accommodate a very short, tight schedule. But I think it's pretty clear that adding a bunch of doubleheaders exacerbates certain competitive gaps between teams that simply expanding rosters can't compensate for, and considering some rules changes to try and help rebalance things makes at least some sense.
RE: All the talk of 60 games in  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/30/2020 10:50 am : link
In comment 14941019 section125 said:
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66 days.

Regular season is 162 games in 183/185 days(not including 30 games in 6 weeks of ST) - not that far different except in 66 days you do not have the total wear down of players that comes with 6 months of tedium and physicality of 162 games.

Yes not every team has the Yankees bullpen, but they do not have it in a regular season either.


There were 1180 Saves in the 2019 season. 343 of those Saves were made with 0 days rest. That's 29% of all Saves.

With the daily doubleheaders concept you're severely limiting the opportunity for closers to be in back-to-back save situations. If a closer is in during Game 1 of that day, he won't be in Game 2.

The advantage of having a quality bullpen with multiple late-inning options will be even greater than usual.
Having Loasiga, Kahnle, Green, Britton, Ottavino, and Chapman  
Greg from LI : 7/30/2020 10:54 am : link
is a very good thing.
RE: RE: All the talk of 60 games in  
section125 : 7/30/2020 10:55 am : link
In comment 14941029 Mad Mike said:
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Yes not every team has the Yankees bullpen, but they do not have it in a regular season either.


And they don't have a lot of double headers in the regular season either.

I'm not really a fan of changing the rules of the actual game to accommodate a very short, tight schedule. But I think it's pretty clear that adding a bunch of doubleheaders exacerbates certain competitive gaps between teams that simply expanding rosters can't compensate for, and considering some rules changes to try and help rebalance things makes at least some sense.


There are enough in a regular season because of makeups or days filled in that should have been days off. There aren't likely to be dblhdrs each week for each team. There may be a few. And competitive balance is still and always tilted toward the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox etc - teams with more money. So I do not think that should be a true limitation on scheduling. Unless a hard CAP is installed, there will always be an imbalance on the rosters.
The 7 inning games  
Metnut : 7/30/2020 11:01 am : link
are less about covid transmission and more about not taxing the pitchers and causing injuries that'll hurt their ability to earn next year.

It's not really a big deal IMO. This season is going to continue to be weird.
Between starting extra innings with a  
JimInKgnNY : 7/30/2020 11:14 am : link
runner at second base and now 7 inning games for doubleheaders, MLB is starting to resemble a backyard whiffle ball game where the kids make up the rules as they go. Just si I'm clear on this-- if I pitch all 7 innings in one game of a double header and shut out or no-hit the opposition or pitch a perfect game, it counts the same as doing it in 9 innings?
Incidentally--do any of you know what the official scoring is for putting a runner on second base in extra innings? I haven't yet seen a game that went into extra innings. It can't be something stupid like a 2 base intentional walk, can it? Is the runner's on base percentage affected by starting off on second base?
RE: Between starting extra innings with a  
section125 : 7/30/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14941052 JimInKgnNY said:
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runner at second base and now 7 inning games for doubleheaders, MLB is starting to resemble a backyard whiffle ball game where the kids make up the rules as they go. Just si I'm clear on this-- if I pitch all 7 innings in one game of a double header and shut out or no-hit the opposition or pitch a perfect game, it counts the same as doing it in 9 innings?
Incidentally--do any of you know what the official scoring is for putting a runner on second base in extra innings? I haven't yet seen a game that went into extra innings. It can't be something stupid like a 2 base intentional walk, can it? Is the runner's on base percentage affected by starting off on second base?


Scored as an error - with no assigned to any player is what I heard explained over the weekend.
RE: Between starting extra innings with a  
BillKo : 7/30/2020 11:21 am : link
In comment 14941052 JimInKgnNY said:
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runner at second base and now 7 inning games for doubleheaders, MLB is starting to resemble a backyard whiffle ball game where the kids make up the rules as they go. Just si I'm clear on this-- if I pitch all 7 innings in one game of a double header and shut out or no-hit the opposition or pitch a perfect game, it counts the same as doing it in 9 innings?
Incidentally--do any of you know what the official scoring is for putting a runner on second base in extra innings? I haven't yet seen a game that went into extra innings. It can't be something stupid like a 2 base intentional walk, can it? Is the runner's on base percentage affected by starting off on second base?


Runner at second goes as unearned run if he scores......
RE: All the talk of 60 games in  
BillKo : 7/30/2020 11:25 am : link
In comment 14941019 section125 said:
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66 days.

Regular season is 162 games in 183/185 days(not including 30 games in 6 weeks of ST) - not that far different except in 66 days you do not have the total wear down of players that comes with 6 months of tedium and physicality of 162 games.

Yes not every team has the Yankees bullpen, but they do not have it in a regular season either.


Agreed...someone posted the schedule for the Yanks above and the days off doesn't look much different than a regular schedule extrapolated.

Bigger rosters....not sure why the change to 7 innings is really required - other than arms not being in 100% shape. But again, you have the larger rosters avail.


I don't see why this is neccessary  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/30/2020 12:42 pm : link
All doubleheaders played this year will be straight doubleheaders, no split doubleheaders, so the time together is already reduced as compared to previous years. They've already fucked around enough with the rules. If some games have to be cancelled, so be it. Stop compromising the integrity of the games that are played
Just an FYI  
Metnut : 7/30/2020 12:44 pm : link
re: man on 2nd base in extras, but this rule is apparently really well received and I'm expecting it to be brought back full-time in 2022 once the new CBA is ratified.
RE: Just an FYI  
section125 : 7/30/2020 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14941107 Metnut said:
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re: man on 2nd base in extras, but this rule is apparently really well received and I'm expecting it to be brought back full-time in 2022 once the new CBA is ratified.


Where did you see this? I have seen nothing positive. All I heard or read was players(especially pitchers) do not like it. I believe they had one in the Dodgers game that still went 13 or 14 innings last night.
RE: RE: Just an FYI  
Percy : 7/30/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14941108 section125 said:
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In comment 14941107 Metnut said:


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re: man on 2nd base in extras, but this rule is apparently really well received and I'm expecting it to be brought back full-time in 2022 once the new CBA is ratified.



Where did you see this? I have seen nothing positive. All I heard or read was players(especially pitchers) do not like it. I believe they had one in the Dodgers game that still went 13 or 14 innings last night.

I don't either (like it, that is). Kills off a key shot at a doable double play, something some pitchers were good at producing and all surely tried to produce. It just dilutes, or can dilute, the quality all tied games and likely stresses pitchers more when that's absolutely not needed.
i'm not a fan  
RasputinPrime : 7/30/2020 2:21 pm : link
of changing any more of the rules. If they can't play baseball, they can't play baseball. I'll accept that but I don't want some mutant version of a baseball season that will have more asterisks than a Peanuts cartoon.
RE: RE: Between starting extra innings with a  
JimInKgnNY : 7/30/2020 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14941060 BillKo said:
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In comment 14941052 JimInKgnNY said:


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runner at second base and now 7 inning games for doubleheaders, MLB is starting to resemble a backyard whiffle ball game where the kids make up the rules as they go. Just si I'm clear on this-- if I pitch all 7 innings in one game of a double header and shut out or no-hit the opposition or pitch a perfect game, it counts the same as doing it in 9 innings?
Incidentally--do any of you know what the official scoring is for putting a runner on second base in extra innings? I haven't yet seen a game that went into extra innings. It can't be something stupid like a 2 base intentional walk, can it? Is the runner's on base percentage affected by starting off on second base?



Runner at second goes as unearned run if he scores......


Thanks Bill. At least that makes sense.
RE: RE: Between starting extra innings with a  
JimInKgnNY : 7/30/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14941058 section125 said:
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In comment 14941052 JimInKgnNY said:


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runner at second base and now 7 inning games for doubleheaders, MLB is starting to resemble a backyard whiffle ball game where the kids make up the rules as they go. Just si I'm clear on this-- if I pitch all 7 innings in one game of a double header and shut out or no-hit the opposition or pitch a perfect game, it counts the same as doing it in 9 innings?
Incidentally--do any of you know what the official scoring is for putting a runner on second base in extra innings? I haven't yet seen a game that went into extra innings. It can't be something stupid like a 2 base intentional walk, can it? Is the runner's on base percentage affected by starting off on second base?



Scored as an error - with no assigned to any player is what I heard explained over the weekend.


Thanks section
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pjcas18 : 7/30/2020 8:04 pm : link
Jeff Passan
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Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have agreed to stage seven-inning doubleheaders starting Aug. 1, sources familiar with the situation tell ESPN.
Yeah just heard that.  
section125 : 7/30/2020 8:17 pm : link
I'm sorry but this whole season is just about training for the playoffs.
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