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NFT: Manfred says season potentially in danger

DanMetroMan : 7/31/2020 5:51 pm
BREAKING: MLB commissioner Rob Manfred told MLBPA executive director Tony Clark on Friday that if the sport doesn’t do a better job of managing the coronavirus, it could shut down for the season, sources told @JeffPassan.
They need to start penalizing players/teams  
UConn4523 : 7/31/2020 6:16 pm : link
blatantly breaking protocol then.
Nice work, Marlins!  
Greg from LI : 7/31/2020 6:41 pm : link
Assholes
And who didn't see this coming a mile away  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/31/2020 6:45 pm : link
?
RE: They need to start penalizing players/teams  
Mad Mike : 7/31/2020 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14941685 UConn4523 said:
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blatantly breaking protocol then.

I don't understand why there hasn't been some kind of punishment for the Marlins playing Sunday without notifying the Philiies of the league of their positive tests. That seems blatantly in violation of protocol, and obviously created a cascade of missed games (not to mention being somewhat dangerous for the Phillies).
Can we just start  
Everyone Relax : 7/31/2020 7:01 pm : link
treating this season like an exhibition season? That's basically what it is anyway. Some teams are only going to end up playing 50 games, others 45, and they are going to have to go off winning %. No one is actually taking this year's champion seriously anyway. As a Mets fan I can just imagine their first World Series since 1986 coming this year.
RE: Can we just start  
Ira : 7/31/2020 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14941698 Everyone Relax said:
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treating this season like an exhibition season? That's basically what it is anyway. Some teams are only going to end up playing 50 games, others 45, and they are going to have to go off winning %. No one is actually taking this year's champion seriously anyway. As a Mets fan I can just imagine their first World Series since 1986 coming this year.


Especially the way they've been playing. :)
I hate to be the downer  
bubba0825 : 7/31/2020 7:08 pm : link
But we clearly don’t have this under control and next season could very well look like what we have now
Until the vaccine comes  
Spider43 : 7/31/2020 7:12 pm : link
You might have to do the 'bubble' thing the NBA is doing (and even then!). Too many variables and moving parts with playing in different stadiums/venues. It's not looking good for the NFL season...
RE: RE: Can we just start  
Everyone Relax : 7/31/2020 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14941701 Ira said:
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In comment 14941698 Everyone Relax said:


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treating this season like an exhibition season? That's basically what it is anyway. Some teams are only going to end up playing 50 games, others 45, and they are going to have to go off winning %. No one is actually taking this year's champion seriously anyway. As a Mets fan I can just imagine their first World Series since 1986 coming this year.


Especially the way they've been playing. :)


Haha they can still make the playoffs this years at 25-35. More than half the teams are making it!
NBA & NHL did right with the bubble.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/31/2020 7:30 pm : link
MLB & NFL doing the exact opposite.
RE: NBA & NHL did right with the bubble.  
BigBlueShock : 7/31/2020 7:37 pm : link
In comment 14941716 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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MLB & NFL doing the exact opposite.

I get so sick of seeing this. Those situations couldn’t be any different. The two sports in the bubbles were almost done with their seasons. They are don’t have all the teams invited and are basically having tournaments. Completely different from two sports that had an entire season to play, both with 30+ teams with much, much larger rosters than the two bubble sports. It’s logistically impossible for MLB and the NFL to pull off a bubble scenario.

Why is that so hard for some to grasp?
RE: NBA & NHL did right with the bubble.  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14941716 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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MLB & NFL doing the exact opposite.


NFL has it much eaaier then MLB..

Games are spread out, more room to get tests in, more days to postpone and reschedule games, less travel time, less tike in hotels..NFL can adjust a lot easier
BBS.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/31/2020 7:43 pm : link
I agree. I am just saying a bubble obviously works compared to leagues not doing it. The NFL, with the number of people on the roster/staff, isn't going to work.
RE: BBS.  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14941722 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree. I am just saying a bubble obviously works compared to leagues not doing it. The NFL, with the number of people on the roster/staff, isn't going to work.


disagree, NFL may have more people but thejr travel time is much much shorter...

Teams can travel the day before spend 1 night in a hotel, wake up go to stadium play thr game and immediatley go home..

Baseball they are spending 3 nights in a hotel and thrn going to another city..
RE: RE: NBA & NHL did right with the bubble.  
Route 9 : 7/31/2020 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14941719 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14941716 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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MLB & NFL doing the exact opposite.


I get so sick of seeing this. Those situations couldn’t be any different. The two sports in the bubbles were almost done with their seasons. They are don’t have all the teams invited and are basically having tournaments. Completely different from two sports that had an entire season to play, both with 30+ teams with much, much larger rosters than the two bubble sports. It’s logistically impossible for MLB and the NFL to pull off a bubble scenario.

Why is that so hard for some to grasp?


Yep.
I’m honestly convinced  
Danny Kanell : 7/31/2020 8:53 pm : link
There is a faction of society (and on a much smaller scale, BBI posters) who actually enjoy when there is a negative COVID development that gives them an opportunity to say I told you so. It’s like flies on shit.

To me this sounds like nothing more than an empty threat to placate the masses.
You mean there are posters disappointed . . .  
HomerJones45 : 7/31/2020 9:05 pm : link
Expect the same from the NFL  
KWALL2 : 7/31/2020 9:09 pm : link
No season, or, at best, a strike shortened type season.
RE: Expect the same from the NFL  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14941743 KWALL2 said:
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No season, or, at best, a strike shortened type season.


and why is that? the problem for mlb is players are staying in different cities and in hotels for multiple nights andnthen traveling to another city...

How does NFL have that problem?

MLB plahs every single day, how does NFL have that ptoblrm?

MLB and NFL are completely different
RE: I’m honestly convinced  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14941741 Danny Kanell said:
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There is a faction of society (and on a much smaller scale, BBI posters) who actually enjoy when there is a negative COVID development that gives them an opportunity to say I told you so. It’s like flies on shit.

To me this sounds like nothing more than an empty threat to placate the masses.


people enjoy being negative, i dont understand it, but to each his own
RE: I’m honestly convinced  
Vanzetti : 7/31/2020 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14941741 Danny Kanell said:
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There is a faction of society (and on a much smaller scale, BBI posters) who actually enjoy when there is a negative COVID development that gives them an opportunity to say I told you so. It’s like flies on shit.

To me this sounds like nothing more than an empty threat to placate the masses.


Absolutely. Especially out here in the Bay Area.

Its PR issue for Manfred. The virus just isn’t fatal for young people. No one over forty should be in the locker room or dugout. OLder mangers can do it from upstairs. Give all the players POC tests when they get to the stadium every day. That would basically solve the health issue

But with the politicized environment, there is no way he could continue the season if the outbreaks become widespread.

By making the public announcement, he is trying to warn the players that reckless behavior could cost them $$$. Because young guys all know the disease is not a threat to them personally and that makes it hard to get them all behave.

the NFL  
BleedBlue : 7/31/2020 9:23 pm : link
is ENTIRELY different.

MLB has games most nights and constantly traveling.

NFL is one game a week per team, easier to reschedule. more time in between for testing, cleaning, etc.

I expect the NFl to have some hiccups but i expect a season. Baseball not looking so good which is a shame as the yankees are the best team in baseball this year
As someone who has known 2  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/31/2020 9:38 pm : link
People who have died from COVID, it's sad that people are downplaying this.
RE: As someone who has known 2  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14941756 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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People who have died from COVID, it's sad that people are downplaying this.


who is downplaying it?
...  
christian : 7/31/2020 9:57 pm : link
The lethality among players is not and never was the primary concern. Traveling and interacting with others who are traveling is an easy way to get infected and spread infection. There’s nothing magical about ball players to where they cannot get infected, sick, and or spread it to others.

The schedule, the logistics, and most importantly local governments allowing games are all fragile scenarios. There’s no doom, gloom, or enjoyment necessary.
How does the NFL have a problem?  
KWALL2 : 7/31/2020 9:58 pm : link
Not sure if that is a serious question.

It's real simple. Guys will test positive. Key guys. Some teams will have 5, 10 or more at a time testing positive. Teams will not have the players to field a competitive team.

There is no farm team. If you lose 3 OL? Its over.

You think the Chiefs will put Mahomes on the field with a bunch of backups. Or any QB? Hey were playing the Browns this week. We have 3 OL out and a rookie UFA on Myles?

What happens when even a single team has a Marlins type problem? Game cancelled? They make that game up when?

They may try and start the season. But it will be over soon.
BTW, how is football easier to reschedule?  
KWALL2 : 7/31/2020 10:01 pm : link
It won't be a one day delay on a game. It's not a rainout in baseball that you can reschedule. One football game is = to 10 baseball games.

Giants playing Rams in Oct in LA.

Rams have a covid problem.

Tell me how they reschedule that game?
RE: How does the NFL have a problem?  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14941765 KWALL2 said:
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Not sure if that is a serious question.

It's real simple. Guys will test positive. Key guys. Some teams will have 5, 10 or more at a time testing positive. Teams will not have the players to field a competitive team.

There is no farm team. If you lose 3 OL? Its over.

You think the Chiefs will put Mahomes on the field with a bunch of backups. Or any QB? Hey were playing the Browns this week. We have 3 OL out and a rookie UFA on Myles?

What happens when even a single team has a Marlins type problem? Game cancelled? They make that game up when?

They may try and start the season. But it will be over soon.


why is it assumed 5 or 10 guys are going to test positive? if players are smart and do what they have to and wear a mask there wont be a problem..

The marlins players went to bars and then brought it into the locker room..

thr other teams habe no problems because they are doing what they are supposed to..

NFL players will be on the road 8 times and in hotels for 1 night each time they travel...
If the players are stupid  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 10:06 pm : link
then yeah there is going to be a problem, players are smart and follow guidelines they will play...
RE: BTW, how is football easier to reschedule?  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14941769 KWALL2 said:
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It won't be a one day delay on a game. It's not a rainout in baseball that you can reschedule. One football game is = to 10 baseball games.

Giants playing Rams in Oct in LA.

Rams have a covid problem.

Tell me how they reschedule that game?


because they have a week in between games and bye weeks..

you could alao move games to midweek if need be...

There are eays for the nfl to maneuver the schedule, the mlb is confined to a short period of time and are basically playing every single day, there is little flexibility
RE: If the players are stupid  
BleedBlue : 7/31/2020 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14941772 nygiants16 said:
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then yeah there is going to be a problem, players are smart and follow guidelines they will play...


exactly...how many players on other teams are testing positive?

Teams and players who follow guidelines play baseball, those who act like fucking morons dont. sad part is the morons will ruin it for everyone else
how many teams in baseball  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 10:12 pm : link
habe 5 or more players that are positive at the same time? 1
RE: As someone who has known 2  
Danny Kanell : 7/31/2020 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14941756 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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People who have died from COVID, it's sad that people are downplaying this.


Who is downplaying it? I also know 2 people who have passed from it. And have had many friends and family get it.
Hey let's reschedule  
KWALL2 : 7/31/2020 10:25 pm : link
that OCT game in LA for....let's squeeze it on a WED in NOV. We will meet them halfway and p;ay in Kansas. Make it early because we have the Cowboys game on Sunday in NJ. 2 NFL football games in one week. Yeah..no problem.

That should be easy to pull off.

But then one team has 3 games to reschedule...and then..
One guy gets it...  
KWALL2 : 7/31/2020 10:26 pm : link
Walks into locker room...

Practices with others...

Many have it...

Games cancelled...
RE: One guy gets it...  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14941790 KWALL2 said:
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Walks into locker room...

Practices with others...

Many have it...

Games cancelled...


ok again, if players are smart the nfl will go on..

again how many mlb teams have multiple players out??
Manfred clearly trying to get players to take this more seriously  
MetsAreBack : 7/31/2020 10:39 pm : link
Really only one team has had an issue so far though we don’t know yet if the cardinals players were partying in Minneapolis this week. MLB shouldn’t give teams days off on road trips that’s for sure and the cards had two this week.

The phillies not playing this weekend is just absurd. They don’t have a single player positive yet and it’s been 5 days.

There just isn’t any competent business plan to this season. They developed protocols including alternate sites to bring up guys as needed and now they’re not following the plan.
Setting the country aside for a sec  
Stu11 : 7/31/2020 10:56 pm : link
the players have to take this shit seriously. Trea Turner hit a HR last weekend and he was hugging guys like they were his girlfriends. It simple you have to distance as much as possible. If they want to play a season and not get half the league infected they need to smarten up.
?  
KWALL2 : 7/31/2020 11:08 pm : link
‘ok again, if players are smart the nfl will go on..“

What are you talking about? If the players are smart?

They are living at home? With other people? No bubble, right?

So they have to be “smart’. But what happens if somebody close to them isn’t ‘smart’? A brother? Girlfriend? Neighbor?

You expect them to play and go home in isolation?
RE: Until the vaccine comes  
Hammer : 7/31/2020 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14941709 Spider43 said:
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You might have to do the 'bubble' thing the NBA is doing (and even then!). Too many variables and moving parts with playing in different stadiums/venues. It's not looking good for the NFL season...
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Based both anecdotally and empirically, don’t be suprised if a vaccine’s availability changes nothing.

I’ve seen polls showing that upwards of 40% of people will not take a vaccine when it becomes available.

Anecdotally, I’ve spoke to a bunch of people and at least half, if not more, stated they will not take a vaccine.

We’re fucked.
RE: ?  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14941814 KWALL2 said:
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‘ok again, if players are smart the nfl will go on..“

What are you talking about? If the players are smart?

They are living at home? With other people? No bubble, right?

So they have to be “smart’. But what happens if somebody close to them isn’t ‘smart’? A brother? Girlfriend? Neighbor?

You expect them to play and go home in isolation?


so why hasnt every team in the mlb had an outbreak? if like you say 5 to 10 proplr per team will get it, why hasnt more teama had an outbreak?

Being smart is simple, go to work and come home if you are going to the store or somehwere you cant social distance you wear a mask...really simple...
golfers are going home  
nygiants16 : 7/31/2020 11:33 pm : link
havnt had a positive test in 5 weeks, and most live in florida..

Nascar has had 1 positive test since they have been back..

So how are they able to go home, but nfl players would not be able to?
The only way football is going to work is if playoff seating is based  
Zeke's Alibi : 7/31/2020 11:40 pm : link
on win percentage. You are going to have teams miss games, especially in the season football plays in, there will more than likely be an explosion of cases as we will hit the peak spread rate. Especially as the petri dishes we know as schools start to open.
Well let’s get back on topic  
MetsAreBack : 7/31/2020 11:58 pm : link
Broadcast partners have been told to contingency plan that season may be cancelled or paused on Monday.

Don’t know if it’s politics (doubt it but who knows) or if various owners didn’t want a season to begin with (more likely) or if the league just can’t be bothered And is too lazy to adjust schedules as reality sets in (Why are phillies and jays sitting around all weekend again??). can’t imagine the legal ramifications of that decision from the players union... not a good decision of course .,.. but that’s where Manfred is at this point as one team in the entire league has had an outbreak and the 100 page plan continues to be ignored and overruled at every news announcement
RE: RE: BTW, how is football easier to reschedule?  
Mad Mike : 8/1/2020 12:25 am : link
In comment 14941773 nygiants16 said:
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because they have a week in between games and bye weeks..

you could alao move games to midweek if need be...

There are eays for the nfl to maneuver the schedule, the mlb is confined to a short period of time and are basically playing every single day, there is little flexibility

As Thornton Mellon might ask, are these rescheduled games going to be played in fantasyland? There are undoubtedly some aspects of the NFL season that make it easier to avoid problems than mlb. Rescheduling games is not one of them. (Though having to reschedule entire series like Marlins and Phillies do is certainly a major problem too).
Who cares  
afann : 8/1/2020 9:01 am : link
What team wins it all this year. It’s a weird season and will have an asterisk next to them. Leagues are going to have to power through this and just roll with what happens. It’s better than nothing at this point. Just enjoy it!!!
No phillies players test positive again  
nygiants16 : 8/1/2020 9:07 am : link
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nygiants16  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/1/2020 9:34 am : link
Your suggestion that rescheduling NFL games that were cancelled (or postponed) due to Covid-19 would be "easy" was blown up because you didn't think it through. It's not fantasy football, so no games will be scheduled mid-week between two other games... d'oh!

And suggesting rescheduling during a bye week is also ridiculous! It would require that both teams whose game was cancelled be available on the same bye week! That's close to a mathematical impossibility, if my quick math is correct. There are eight bye weeks, right? And each bye week features 4 teams that don't play. So the odds of the any two specific teams whose game was cancelled having the opportunity to replay on a given bye week is 1/8 * 4/32 = 1/64!

Stats folks feel free to correct me about that...

But the NFL could reschedule the season with bye week makeup windows for cancelled games if they had thought about it seriously before making the schedule.

One possibility would have been to adjust the schedule from 16 weeks to 20 and to include 4 bye weeks in that 20 game schedule. The second step of the redesigned schedule would be far harder to swallow for the league... The 4 bye weeks would have to have been left without any scheduled games at all, so that all teams would be available to play make up games during the bye weeks.

Of course, even this plan outlined above assumes teams' availability to play vis a vis health, and having a reasonable roster available to suit up.

Having said all that, I still am confounded by this virus's predeliction to spread. I've worked 3-4 days per week through the entire outbreak in retail in a community where A) the outbreak ran rampant and B) tons of people refused to wear masks or socially distance even according to law.

And I still have never had any sign of catching it, even though I'm the most susceptible profile...

I followed precautions reasonably well, but by no means perfectly.

I suspect one must have to seriously and wantonly expose oneself to it to catch this bastid virus. Not quite like catching HIV type exposure, but moreso than the typical common cold requires for transmission.
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 8/1/2020 9:37 am : link
In comment 14941889 BlueLou'sBack said:
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Your suggestion that rescheduling NFL games that were cancelled (or postponed) due to Covid-19 would be "easy" was blown up because you didn't think it through. It's not fantasy football, so no games will be scheduled mid-week between two other games... d'oh!

And suggesting rescheduling during a bye week is also ridiculous! It would require that both teams whose game was cancelled be available on the same bye week! That's close to a mathematical impossibility, if my quick math is correct. There are eight bye weeks, right? And each bye week features 4 teams that don't play. So the odds of the any two specific teams whose game was cancelled having the opportunity to replay on a given bye week is 1/8 * 4/32 = 1/64!

Stats folks feel free to correct me about that...

But the NFL could reschedule the season with bye week makeup windows for cancelled games if they had thought about it seriously before making the schedule.

One possibility would have been to adjust the schedule from 16 weeks to 20 and to include 4 bye weeks in that 20 game schedule. The second step of the redesigned schedule would be far harder to swallow for the league... The 4 bye weeks would have to have been left without any scheduled games at all, so that all teams would be available to play make up games during the bye weeks.

Of course, even this plan outlined above assumes teams' availability to play vis a vis health, and having a reasonable roster available to suit up.

Having said all that, I still am confounded by this virus's predeliction to spread. I've worked 3-4 days per week through the entire outbreak in retail in a community where A) the outbreak ran rampant and B) tons of people refused to wear masks or socially distance even according to law.

And I still have never had any sign of catching it, even though I'm the most susceptible profile...

I followed precautions reasonably well, but by no means perfectly.

I suspect one must have to seriously and wantonly expose oneself to it to catch this bastid virus. Not quite like catching HIV type exposure, but moreso than the typical common cold requires for transmission.


yeah should thought it through differently..I still think there is wiggle room though to spread out the schedule, which the nfl has said is possible..

You may have been asymptomatic  
MetsAreBack : 8/1/2020 9:39 am : link
90% of these players had / have no idea they have it but they’re being testing daily so...

I agree that 4 bye weeks would have a lot of teams off that week for it to work but it doesn’t need to be everyone. You just align division teams and the division they are playing that year - so for us we’d have 2 common bye weeks with the nfc East and afc central and 2 common bye weeks with our division and the nfc west.

That accounts for 87.5% of everyone’s schedules and you could figure something out if one of the two other games was impacted.
Multiple  
pjcas18 : 8/1/2020 9:54 am : link
Cardinals players test positive.
MAB - the question of how I have avoided it has finally driven me  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/1/2020 9:55 am : link
nuts enough that I have a prescription to be tested both for the virus and the antibody.

Given my age and preconditions, it's a freaking miracle if I have had it asymptomatically.

Obviously I outlined a schedule plan rather quickly to guarantee playing a full 16 game schedule with multiple make up games... But that still assumes individual players' and teams' health is good enough to field reasonably professional squads. The NFL schedule as currently proposed will likely fail without makeup room.


IMO that's the far bigger sticking point.
no one thinks NFLPA might have an issue  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2020 10:06 am : link
with a 20% extension of the season? Never mind that such an extension, because of game postponements, necessarily implies that covid issues are impacting player safety. I would not think this flies as simply 're-scheduling'.

As to BlueLou's remaining healthy, knock wood and good to hear you are good, ID experts are only gradually beginning to think they have a handle on various aspects of this virus, R0, morality demographics, immunity, sequelae (very troubling), all subject to change. You may have some pre-existing immunity to corona virus and thus covid, blood type, good t-cells, who the hell knows. Be sure to keep on keeping on, amigo.
RE: Multiple  
BigBlueShock : 8/1/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14941901 pjcas18 said:
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Cardinals players test positive.

Is this in addition to the positives from yesterday?
Thanks for the well wishes CHP, but to answer  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/1/2020 10:17 am : link
your question about the NFLPA objecting to a 20 week season:

Hell no! If they agreed to the proposal that any "low risk" player who voluntarily opts out gets a paltry $150K forward from his 2021 salary...

Yeah, I'd imagine they would have agreed to a 20 week schedule with 4 fully shut down (except for make-up games) bye weeks. Better than no season at all, right?

And maybe, in fact, a healthier model overall considering all injuries?
Now some people are saying it was staff  
nygiants16 : 8/1/2020 10:30 am : link
not players who tested positive
per Rosenthal: additional 4 - 6  
ColHowPepper : 8/1/2020 12:29 pm : link
Cardinals tested positive (read it as players, afaik)
I call BS on this  
RasputinPrime : 8/1/2020 12:47 pm : link
but the message is loud and clear - if the players want to play, it's on them to be at the forefront of caution.
RE: per Rosenthal: additional 4 - 6  
nygiants16 : 8/1/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14942041 ColHowPepper said:
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Cardinals tested positive (read it as players, afaik)


that report has been changed to 3 ataff 1 player
Played golf with someone in the sox organization  
GIANTS128 : 8/1/2020 1:56 pm : link
Yesterday. He has to get tested every 2 days as he is in close contact with the players
Didn't somebody mention Nascar?  
KWALL2 : 8/1/2020 2:13 pm : link
"Nascar has had 1 positive test since they have been back.."

And Golf?

How are these activities related to a team sport like football?
RE: Didn't somebody mention Nascar?  
nygiants16 : 8/1/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14942128 KWALL2 said:
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"Nascar has had 1 positive test since they have been back.."

And Golf?

How are these activities related to a team sport like football?


Didnt you say people were going to get it because they were goong home and they will get it from their neighbors or family?

So how is that different then Golfers and nascar drivers who are going home but not getting it...
Marlins players went to a club  
nygiants16 : 8/1/2020 4:45 pm : link
Cardinals players supposedly went to a casino..
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