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pjcas18 : 8/1/2020 9:31 pm
day 1 halfway done. Figured I''d start a thread for not just the Rangers games.

Rangers and Canes were rusty on specials (though CAR looked much better), 1 for 14 combined on the PP. Good intensity though, hard hitting game. I thought Hank was great.

I didn't see any of NYI vs FLA, but the score is about what I'd expect from a Trotz team.

PIT came out like a house on fire, Price stood tall and MTL's two youngsters, Kotkaniemi and Suzuki have the Habs with a 2 - 0 lead. momentum is starting to shift to MTL, but PIT can score quickly. MTL defense is a massive Achilles heel.

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I saw one mock draft  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 1:13 pm : link
that had LA take Askarov.

I doubt that happens, but he's being hailed as the best goalie prospect since Price (#5 overall).

In some (rare) scenarios Ottawa winds up with Byfield and Stutzle. If that happens OTT easily has the best prospect pool - better than NYR and LAK IMO.

I doubt that happens though, I think Byfield goes #2 (and he should).





I doubt this  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 1:16 pm : link
but I'd like it.

Hall is the type of player MTL needs if they say they are in "win now" mode.

Hockey 24|7
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No one is really talking about Taylor Hall, #redwings #flames #gohabsgo are front runners.
Here's a fun one to think about  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 2:12 pm : link
not sure the pieces it would take, but it would be massive.

to save you from reading the twitter thread, it basically says Eichel didn't demand a trade and the Sabres aren't shopping him, but they didn't hang up when called.

Bob McKenzie
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Imagine my surprise when I started making calls today and heard Jack Eichel trade rumours, including unverified chatter he may have at some point recently requested a trade out of BUF and that NYR were amongst interested teams. This, of course, required further investigation.
RE: Here's a fun one to think about  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14988404 pjcas18 said:
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not sure the pieces it would take, but it would be massive.

to save you from reading the twitter thread, it basically says Eichel didn't demand a trade and the Sabres aren't shopping him, but they didn't hang up when called.

Bob McKenzie
@TSNBobMcKenzie
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Imagine my surprise when I started making calls today and heard Jack Eichel trade rumours, including unverified chatter he may have at some point recently requested a trade out of BUF and that NYR were amongst interested teams. This, of course, required further investigation.


Zibanejad, DeAngelo, and the second first rounder for Eichel. And another piece, I'd think. Do it.
Would you do it  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 2:38 pm : link
if it cost Lafreniere?

Something like TDA and #1 for Eichel.

And don't forget Eichel is tied up long term at big $$$ - 6 more years at $10M per.

PJ  
Giants in 07 : 9/28/2020 2:41 pm : link
You seem to have some knowledge about the prospects.. what would you do with the Rangers 2nd first rounder?

Everything I've read points to them being in range for a few centers.

Do you think Mysak could fall that far?
RE: Would you do it  
Anakim : 9/28/2020 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14988468 pjcas18 said:
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if it cost Lafreniere?

Something like TDA and #1 for Eichel.

And don't forget Eichel is tied up long term at big $$$ - 6 more years at $10M per.


No. Fantastic player, but impossible to fit him in in this flat cap era. Lafreniere is not only valuable as a player, but as a contract. I mean you would love to have Lafreniere reach Eichel's level of production, but 10M per is just unfeasible.
Ooooh....tough one  
Greg from LI : 9/28/2020 2:51 pm : link
Eichel and Zibby as your top two centers? Wow. Can anyone top that kind of strength up the middle?

How do you afford them though?
RE: Would you do it  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14988468 pjcas18 said:
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if it cost Lafreniere?

Something like TDA and #1 for Eichel.

And don't forget Eichel is tied up long term at big $$$ - 6 more years at $10M per.


No, Lafreniere is probably the only untouchable for me. But even that's a tough no. I think Eichel is that good. It just seems like there's a high probability Lafreniere is an All Star caliber player - and we get that cost controlled.

Kakko is probably second closest to untouchable for me - it would have to almost be straight up for me to be okay with it.

I suspect I'm on the extreme side of what I'm willing to give up for Eichel, though.
RE: Ooooh....tough one  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14988492 Greg from LI said:
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Eichel and Zibby as your top two centers? Wow. Can anyone top that kind of strength up the middle?

How do you afford them though?


I think Zibanejad would have to go in an Eichel deal. Maybe to a third team.

Figuring out a way to parlay Zibanejad and some extra pieces into Eichel would be a huge win.
well, that wasn't the deal pj suggested  
Greg from LI : 9/28/2020 2:56 pm : link
Zibanejad plus for Eichel? That's one where my heart says no but my head says yes. I'm not sure Eichel is that much better than Zibby but he IS several years younger.
I don't think this draft  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 2:57 pm : link
is as deep as some other people say.

I think after the top two tiers (maybe 5 or 6 players) you have about 10 - 12 players who are interchanegable - making it seem "deep" all the way to 15 - 18 players. But some of those guys in the top 15 - 18 (and most after) are very polarizing. Some say "that guy should be top 15" and others say "I'm not taking him anywhere in the first round" for the same player.

Not having the showcases and tournaments has made this year more of a crapshoot IMO and hurt players who would have moved up from March to June. That development and growth for some players from 17 - 18 is significant.

So, for me, if I was NYR, I'd package the second #1 pick to bring in a top 4 D or 2C.

If Kravtsov is staying at wing, I'd look at acquire a 2c via trade.

If they do make the pick I'd absolutely take Mysak there or someone like Hendrix Lapierre (perfect example of what I mentioned above) - and I like Dawson Mercer and Dylan Holloway. Kaden Guhle if they go D (6' 2" LD).

This is from Pronman's athletic article on this topic about Lapierre (but almost all the players available at this spot will be in this category):

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Scout in favor: “He has so much skill and he’s a very smart player. It’s first-round skill all day. At the Hlinka Gretzky, he looked like a top-10 pick. If he looks healthy again, I realize there’s some risk, but I think you got to go after him in the first round at some point; there’s too much player there.”

Scout against: “I wouldn’t use a top-50 pick on him. The injuries … the two goals in 19 games, his game lacks pace. He looks healthy now and then you use a high pick and in two or three years those issues always seem to pop back up again. At some point it becomes worth it, but that point will be later than where he’ll likely go.”
I don't know how you even look at Lapierre in the first round  
Anakim : 9/28/2020 2:59 pm : link
I mean I don't know him from Adam, but he had what? 2 concussions? And he's only 17/18?
RE: Ooooh....tough one  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14988492 Greg from LI said:
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Eichel and Zibby as your top two centers? Wow. Can anyone top that kind of strength up the middle?

How do you afford them though?


Draisaitl and McDavid ($21M between the two for the next 5 years) - and then like the Oilers you struggle to field a team.

But the Rangers have a much deeper and better prospect pool and goalie situation.

RE: RE: Ooooh....tough one  
Anakim : 9/28/2020 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14988515 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14988492 Greg from LI said:


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Eichel and Zibby as your top two centers? Wow. Can anyone top that kind of strength up the middle?

How do you afford them though?



Draisaitl and McDavid ($21M between the two for the next 5 years) - and then like the Oilers you struggle to field a team.

But the Rangers have a much deeper and better prospect pool and goalie situation.



And we're already paying Panarin like 12M per and we know he's not going anywhere.
RE: I don't know how you even look at Lapierre in the first round  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14988510 Anakim said:
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I mean I don't know him from Adam, but he had what? 2 concussions? And he's only 17/18?


That's why it's a risk. He had 3 concussions in 2019 alone.

There was an article about him being "the most unpredictable prospect" back in April.

That's a risk IMO, if they make the pick (which I probably wouldn't - depending on who falls), a team like the NYR can take.
RE: RE: I don't know how you even look at Lapierre in the first round  
Anakim : 9/28/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14988520 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14988510 Anakim said:


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I mean I don't know him from Adam, but he had what? 2 concussions? And he's only 17/18?



That's why it's a risk. He had 3 concussions in 2019 alone.

There was an article about him being "the most unpredictable prospect" back in April.

That's a risk IMO, if they make the pick (which I probably wouldn't - depending on who falls), a team like the NYR can take.


I wouldn't. At least not in the first round. I don't care if he's the second coming of McDavid. 3 concussions is insane.
RE: well, that wasn't the deal pj suggested  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14988503 Greg from LI said:
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Zibanejad plus for Eichel? That's one where my heart says no but my head says yes. I'm not sure Eichel is that much better than Zibby but he IS several years younger.


I think Zibanejad's great, but giving him $10+ million in predominately over 30 years scares me.
RE: RE: well, that wasn't the deal pj suggested  
Anakim : 9/28/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14988550 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 14988503 Greg from LI said:


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Zibanejad plus for Eichel? That's one where my heart says no but my head says yes. I'm not sure Eichel is that much better than Zibby but he IS several years younger.



I think Zibanejad's great, but giving him $10+ million in predominately over 30 years scares me.


Same
I wouldn't trade Zibby  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 3:24 pm : link
in a trade for Eichel. It's sort of counter productive.

If 2019-2020 is any indication of what you can expect from Zibanejad then it makes no sense you are not getting better IMO you're just shuffling players.

I do think Eichel is better or will be better (and is younger - Eichel is still just 23 years old), but then you still have no 2C and less money to get one.

RE: I wouldn't trade Zibby  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14988567 pjcas18 said:
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in a trade for Eichel. It's sort of counter productive.

If 2019-2020 is any indication of what you can expect from Zibanejad then it makes no sense you are not getting better IMO you're just shuffling players.

I do think Eichel is better or will be better (and is younger - Eichel is still just 23 years old), but then you still have no 2C and less money to get one.


I think Eichel is better than Zibanejad. I think Zibanejad is also mediocre defensively.

Age is the biggest factor, though.

I also think Chytil can fill the 2C position. More importantly, I think we need to figure out whether he can or not - you can address that the following off-season when you might be ready to actually compete if things go well.

Also, I think Greg feels strongly that Howden can fill in the 2C position just fine...
Well yes obviously there is Howden  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 5:19 pm : link
who should be locked in to a center spot for 82 games next year.

I think Chytil is more a 3C. And some people feel for a 1st round pick that's a bad outcome, if that is the outcome (and certainly it may not be), it's NOT a bad outcome.

Kravtsov can be the 2C IMO, but would need development time - and I think it's perfectly fine for a young guy to develop in the NHL, but try telling an NHL coach that. lol. It's why you see guys like Nate Thompson get rolled out on a regular shift by coaches like Julien and Vigneault while younger guys like Kotkaniemi are in the press box or AHL. What happened in the playoffs? Kotkaniemi skated circles around Thompson making both coaches look foolish.

And I hate the AHL for a young prospect. It's loaded with primarily (long term) bottom 6 NHL players or even career AHL guys who are generally much older and less skilled than the prospects.

Outside of those two if the Rangers can somehow get Eichel and keep Zibby and add a top 4 D, they're probably favorites in the Metro give or take with CAR and probably NYI depending on their off-seasons.

You might be right on Chytil, but I'd like for him to be given a shot.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 5:38 pm : link
He flashes enough skill that makes me think he can be that guy, especially with the elite wing the Rangers have assuming Lafreniere pans out.
I started watching more AHL games this year, and couldn't agree more,  
BrettNYG10 : 9/28/2020 5:40 pm : link
lol. I thought Chytil, for example, dominated when he was down there. Anyone with NHL skill stands out like a sore thumb.
RE: I started watching more AHL games this year, and couldn't agree more,  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14988779 BrettNYG10 said:
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lol. I thought Chytil, for example, dominated when he was down there. Anyone with NHL skill stands out like a sore thumb.


This is an area I'd love to be more educated on around prospect development. As fans we all bemoan the GM when someone like Lias Andersson doesn't perform to expectations right away or Ryan Poehling for a non-Rangers example, but what should the teams do with premium pick prospects to help them develop and as importantly protect your investment.

I feel like staying in country for non-North American prospects makes the most sense, the SHL (Sweden), SM-Liiga (Finland), KHL (Russia) are all better for development than the AHL IMO. The AHL reminds me of the Federal league from Slapshot and all the good prospects are Braden. If you want a guy to just learn defensive discipline or get used to the physical play of the NHL, sure, send them to the AHL, but don't look at their stat totals and judge their performance. I watched Kotkaniemi and Suzuki in the AHL last year or two and they had to slow down for their linemates.

For Canadian and American prospects, I think the NCAA and/or CHL makes so much more sense than going pro to play in the NHL (until players age out of the CHL at least at 21). You are going up against your peer group or only slightly older. Look at Jack Hughes last year - and most people weren't impressed, but he was 18 years old at 5' 10" (on skates IMO) 160 pounds playing hockey against men.


Alexander  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 8:19 pm : link
Volkov making his NHL playoff debut for Lightning.

Only 9 career games.

A little like Kiviranta on the Stars.


Lightning  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 8:29 pm : link
to the PP, pretty safe play so far
Chytil  
ColHowPepper : 9/28/2020 8:39 pm : link
never seemed he got enough ice time, or maybe it was because he didn't make the most of what he got. He shows flashes of speed and strength getting around the d-man and cutting in on goal from the circle, but then not finishing, or at least not as much as I would like. Haven't noticed him a lot in checking mode, but I could have been inattentive.

Pronman had Stützle moving to 2nd off the board, ahead of Byfield in his draft issue late last week.

The NHL scouts' takes (vs. the team GMs' takes that formed the basis for the mock) were at some serious odds with some of the selections, as pj indicated on certain of the 'draftees'.
Corey Perry  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 8:39 pm : link
absolutely destroyed Sergachev - looked like boarding - no call.

But later Klinberg tripped Volkov - Lightning back to the PP.
Point  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 8:40 pm : link
gets his own rebound and scores on the PP.

TBL up 1 - 0
Looked  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 8:41 pm : link
like Khudobin lost the puck and the rebound went right back to Point.

Nice pass by Kucherov on the entry, no clue how Point had that much room, even on the PP
1:24 left  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 8:54 pm : link
Stars to the PP
Nice cross ice  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 9:25 pm : link
pass from Maroon to Coleman, Coleman one-times it past the sliding Khudobin.

2 - 0 TBL, 13 left in the second.
Pass was from Paquette  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 9:29 pm : link
to Coleman, - Maroon made the play though keeping the puck with a nice hand eye coordination play to knock a puck out the air.

Stars to the PP down 2
Corey Perry  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 9:31 pm : link
backs in to Vasilevsky and knocks him over to erase the PP.

Dumb play
Heading to the  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 9:53 pm : link
3rd with TBL up 2 - 0.

"Interesting" strategy by the Stars. They gave a grand total of 8 shots on net through 2 periods and half of them came on one PP.

Would be something to see them come out really aggressive in the 3rd as they lulled TBL into a false sense of security with the rope a dope

5 gone  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:20 pm : link
in the 3rd, not much changed for DAL. They have 1 shot so far in the period
Just flipped it on.  
Route 9 : 9/28/2020 10:25 pm : link
Anything somewhat interesting happen in this game?

Or is this your run-of-the-mill snorefest Stanley Cup game clincher? Just like nearly every year.
RE: Just flipped it on.  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14989161 Route 9 said:
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Anything somewhat interesting happen in this game?

Or is this your run-of-the-mill snorefest Stanley Cup game clincher? Just like nearly every year.


Nothing.

Dallas playing conservative, even down 2 - 0 halfway through the 3rd.
Now DAL  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:31 pm : link
starting to get two on the puck.

8 min left in the game
Under 5 left  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:39 pm : link
all DAL the past 8 min or so.

DAL to the PP still down 2.
2:24 left  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:45 pm : link
no idea why they didn't yank Khudobin, though they never really had sustained pressure, I still would have pulled him,
Khudobin  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:46 pm : link
out, 1:30 left, Stars still down 2
......  
Route 9 : 9/28/2020 10:47 pm : link
Hahaha this ia so fucking lame. The Stanley Cup coming out with no fans.

Citrus & Smooth
37 seconds  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:48 pm : link
left.

Who is Conn Smythe?

It should be Point IMO - and maybe tonights goal shifts it to him.

Hedman next for me, Vasilevsky and Kucherov also have a case.
......  
Route 9 : 9/28/2020 10:49 pm : link
Is Gary Bettman even there? Who is going to present the Cup? Drake? Justin Bieber?
Doc presents it?  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:50 pm : link
congrats NHL. they pulled it off.
Glad a Florida team won it  
Route 9 : 9/28/2020 10:51 pm : link
....
Maroon  
pjcas18 : 9/28/2020 10:51 pm : link
wins back to back cups with different teams.

Seems like often there is a guy who plays on back to back championships with different teams.
So  
Route 9 : 9/28/2020 10:54 pm : link
Does Steve Stamkos win Conn Smythe?
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