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NFT: If Tik Tok Were Banned

Samiam : 8/2/2020 1:22 pm
Not looking for a conversation on if it should be banned. But, could someone explain to a nontechie how it could be banned. If someone had the app on their phone, would it disappear or would the app stop working. Would it just happen to new customers? Would it be on the honor system? Would Apple and Samsung and other companies have to turn off the app? I’m not understanding how these things work.
There goes your kid's teacher's lesson plan  
Route 9 : 8/2/2020 1:31 pm : link
for the year.
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26.2 : 8/2/2020 1:31 pm : link
My guess is that the app will recognize that you're in the U.S. and it won't be available. When I was in Cananda, for example, spotify didn't work and thats what happened.
The tick-tok app has a parent IP address on the Internet so  
NYRiese : 8/2/2020 1:31 pm : link
all nets on the Internet can or cannot squash traffic to the IP. After that I guess it becomes a legal-government matter of compliance.
NYRiese  
Samiam : 8/2/2020 1:36 pm : link
Can you explain that?
It’s a good question  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/2/2020 1:44 pm : link
Google and Apple could be ordered to remove the apps from their App Store, but it’s unclear that they would have to comply. Even if they do, the app would still function on those who already have it, and Android users could still sideload the app from other sites.

Apple and Google could theoretically disable existing TikTok apps, but would almost certainly not do so without a court order. It’s unclear there’s any authority for such a order.
Couldn't they geo-fence it  
NDMedics : 8/2/2020 1:55 pm : link
like they do with New Jersey gambling apps?
RE: Couldn't they geo-fence it  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/2/2020 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14942443 NDMedics said:
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like they do with New Jersey gambling apps?

That works because the casinos implement it. They set up the geofence and don’t accept wagers from those outside it.

So TikTok would have to set up a geofence and block anyone in the US. They have no incentive to do that.
RE: RE: Couldn't they geo-fence it  
NDMedics : 8/2/2020 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14942448 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 14942443 NDMedics said:


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like they do with New Jersey gambling apps?


That works because the casinos implement it. They set up the geofence and don’t accept wagers from those outside it.

So TikTok would have to set up a geofence and block anyone in the US. They have no incentive to do that.


Got it! Thanks!
I don’t think geofencing would come into play  
UConn4523 : 8/2/2020 2:13 pm : link
every country has their own set of IP and you can grant access to any country having access - we do this at work and enabling a country can be done in a matter of minutes, same with disabling.

So doing so is easy but I’m guessing they wouldn’t do it willingly.
RE: It’s a good question  
Vanzetti : 8/2/2020 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14942438 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Google and Apple could be ordered to remove the apps from their App Store, but it’s unclear that they would have to comply. Even if they do, the app would still function on those who already have it, and Android users could still sideload the app from other sites.

Apple and Google could theoretically disable existing TikTok apps, but would almost certainly not do so without a court order. It’s unclear there’s any authority for such a order.


President has the authority to do it. No different than any other company seeking products that threaten national security
If they block  
XBRONX : 8/2/2020 4:47 pm : link
tik tok where do I get tickets for a rally? LMAO
RE: RE: It’s a good question  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/2/2020 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14942522 Vanzetti said:
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President has the authority to do it. No different than any other company seeking products that threaten national security


It’s different because it’s software and it’s free. He can probably compel Apple and Google stop allowing downloads. but getting people who already have it or who sideload the app to stop using it is something else.
the government would have no problem blocking the IP  
Torrag : 8/2/2020 5:15 pm : link
They do it all the time. If they ban it...poof it will be gone like it never existed.

RE: the government would have no problem blocking the IP  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/2/2020 6:31 pm : link
In comment 14942537 Torrag said:
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They do it all the time. If they ban it...poof it will be gone like it never existed.

Have they? I’m not aware of other instances where they’ve compelled all ISPs to block traffic to a particular site/app. Certainly brings 1st Amendment issues into play.
I don’t think it has anything to do with the app  
UConn4523 : 8/2/2020 6:34 pm : link
so downloaded or not it wouldn’t matter. If the app can’t connect to the servers the app is useless.
RE: RE: the government would have no problem blocking the IP  
Strahan91 : 8/2/2020 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14942562 Jim in Fairfax said:
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They do it all the time. If they ban it...poof it will be gone like it never existed.



Have they? I’m not aware of other instances where they’ve compelled all ISPs to block traffic to a particular site/app. Certainly brings 1st Amendment issues into play.

Yep. Many bittorrent sites have been shut down and blocked in this manner. A whole lot of kids though are going to become familiar with VPN’s very quickly!
RE: RE: RE: the government would have no problem blocking the IP  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/2/2020 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14942571 Strahan91 said:
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Yep. Many bittorrent sites have been shut down and blocked in this manner. A whole lot of kids though are going to become familiar with VPN’s very quickly!

Yes, but that’s not done by federal directive. ISPs certainly can and have blocked sites, but I’m not aware they’ve ever been ordered to.
I think in the near future we are going to have widespread VPN  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/2/2020 8:54 pm : link
usage like they do in many other countries.
NFT: If Tik Tok Were Banned  
Spider43 : 8/3/2020 6:41 am : link
Zoom should be next... another mainland swine tool...
India  
pjcas18 : 8/3/2020 8:47 am : link
banned 59 Chinese apps recently.

Why would this be different? Apple and Google removed the apps from the app store in India.

and users can't connect for the apps to work.

I've had apps on my phone that had been discontinued and no longer worked. I would imagine this being similar.
I'm old  
penkap75 : 8/3/2020 9:22 am : link
Can someone explain what Tik Tok does that can't be done on other video apps like youtube, instagram, etc?
RE: I'm old  
Sonic Youth : 8/3/2020 9:44 am : link
In comment 14942883 penkap75 said:
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Can someone explain what Tik Tok does that can't be done on other video apps like youtube, instagram, etc?
Long story short, it shares gifs instead of videos, can be done on instagram but is more popular with a younger demographic, but is a chinese company so is likely just spying on everyone. teens on tikotok used it to coordinate fake requests for a Tulsa rally, so trump probably hates it even more, but IMO it is 100% chinese spyware so it's probably best we ban it anyway.
What irritates me is the stupidity of Americans  
Knineteen : 8/3/2020 1:00 pm : link
that we need to "ban" such an app.

Shouldn't the knowledge that a foreign government is illegally using your likeness be enough to get users to stop using the app?!
Zero Trust data security posture for China  
JonC : 8/3/2020 1:07 pm : link
is the name of the game. Deal with it myself every day. Tik Tok has to be viewed as a tool of spyware, Zoom as well, for current examples of China getting into your home/phone.

As for blocking traffic, the govt would look to secure cooperation from USA ISPs.
RE: What irritates me is the stupidity of Americans  
UConn4523 : 8/3/2020 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14943060 Knineteen said:
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that we need to "ban" such an app.

Shouldn't the knowledge that a foreign government is illegally using your likeness be enough to get users to stop using the app?!


No, common sense isn't the strong suit of a population this size. And TikTok is dominated by the teenage crowd who are "invincible". Basically compare it to all the dumb shit you did as a kid and how even good parenting wouldn't matter - same deal here. Tell a kid their info will get stolen and they won't listen or won't care. So then its on the parents to delete their apps and control their phones? Not happening.
I thin kTik Tok and Bill Gates should collaborate  
Bill L : 8/3/2020 2:30 pm : link
to offer a combo COVID vaccine.
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