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Vin_Cuccs : 8/2/2020 2:39 pm
From Giants.com

Four of the released players have regular-season experience - running back Jon Hilliman, linebacker Chris Peace, safety Rashaan Gaulden and cornerback Shakial Taylor, who was awarded to the Giants off waivers on Tuesday. Also waived were four rookie or first-year players, including quarterback Case Cookus of Northern Iowa, fullback George Aston of Pittsburgh, and linebackers Oluwole Betiku, Jr. of Illinois and Dana Levine of Temple.

WR Da'Mari Scott informed the team he will opt out of the 2020 season. Scott is the second Giant to opt out after tackle Nate Solder announced on Wednesday he, too, will not play this year.
More importantly  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2020 2:40 pm : link
They are down to 80 players so they will do walk throughs as one unit.
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RE: More importantly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14942467 robbieballs2003 said:
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They are down to 80 players so they will do walk throughs as one unit. Link - ( New Window )


Bingo! You caught the main point.
Nobody asked Judge the thought process behind 90.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2020 3:02 pm : link
I hope someone asks him the thought process behind switching their original decision.
RE: Nobody asked Judge the thought process behind 90.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14942475 robbieballs2003 said:
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I hope someone asks him the thought process behind switching their original decision.


I'm guessing there was no need originally until the veterans passed their tests.

Plus, now got to get the young OLs ready with Nate Solder out.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 3:04 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano
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Leonard Williams' hamstring injury isn't believed to be serious. His place on NFI is insignificant at the moment since the Giants won't begin practicing until Aug. 12 anyway, and not in pads until at least Aug. 17.
RE: Nobody asked Judge the thought process behind 90.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/2/2020 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14942475 robbieballs2003 said:
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I hope someone asks him the thought process behind switching their original decision.


Maybe they wanted a quick look at as many guys as possible before they cut.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 3:05 pm : link
The Giants also signed rookie defensive back Jarren Williams of the University at Albany.
I'm sad to see Cookus and Betiku go so early  
Jay on the Island : 8/2/2020 3:05 pm : link
It's a little frustrating keeping Tanney over Cookus when Tanney has no chance of making it over McCoy and Rush. I know they love him for his work in the film room but they have added McCoy and Rush who also provide value there.

Cookus could have spent the season on the practice squad in hopes of battling for the backup job in 2021.

I am relieved knowing that we won't be seeing Hilliman carrying the football this season.
RE: RE: Nobody asked Judge the thought process behind 90.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/2/2020 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14942480 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14942475 robbieballs2003 said:


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I hope someone asks him the thought process behind switching their original decision.



Maybe they wanted a quick look at as many guys as possible before they cut.


I know what my reasons would be. I have been a proponents of 90. My point is out of all our writers you think one would ask how they came to their decision. It would just be nice to hear relevant questions instead of how Judge is concerned with the public perception of himself due to this unusual season.
I'm hoping Tanney is our designated survivor quarantine QB  
Eric on Li : 8/2/2020 3:08 pm : link
of course Shurmur will probably screw that up by signing him if we cut him. Maybe we can IR designated for return him.
RE: I'm sad to see Cookus and Betiku go so early  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14942482 Jay on the Island said:
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It's a little frustrating keeping Tanney over Cookus when Tanney has no chance of making it over McCoy and Rush. I know they love him for his work in the film room but they have added McCoy and Rush who also provide value there.

Cookus could have spent the season on the practice squad in hopes of battling for the backup job in 2021.

I am relieved knowing that we won't be seeing Hilliman carrying the football this season.


Yeah, I was intrigued by Betiku.
Betiku  
Samiam : 8/2/2020 3:19 pm : link
He was talked up early as a high potential kid; Could be wrong but I think he was a 4 or 5 star recruit at Southern Cal originally.

With such little practice time, I thought 90 made no sense.
even  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 3:22 pm : link
Dana Levine's highlights were a bit intriguing. But with no preseason and four linebackers drafted, these guys had an uphill fight.
Can they still split team at 80.....  
George from PA : 8/2/2020 3:23 pm : link
I still advantage of coaching 40 players at a time...
RE: Can they still split team at 80.....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14942500 George from PA said:
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I still advantage of coaching 40 players at a time...


No, the press release says they are doing full-team walk-throughs already.
You have to wonder  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/2/2020 3:51 pm : link
How they decide who gets cut at this point with such limited on-field work.
FYI...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/2/2020 4:20 pm : link
Here is the update with details... I also updated the roster/depth chart.



New York Giants Reduce Roster to 80 Players; Da’Mari Scott Opts Out - ( New Window )
RE: You have to wonder  
ArlingtonMike : 8/2/2020 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14942510 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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How they decide who gets cut at this point with such limited on-field work.

Good point. Though with expanded practice squad, many of the fringe players will likely end up with the team anyway
It would seem to me that if someone is cut before any real on field  
Spider56 : 8/2/2020 5:58 pm : link
work, it points to showing up out of shape, not getting the mental part, or having an attitude. JJ has made it clear that discipline, effort and culture are starting points.
Jay, you  
XBRONX : 8/2/2020 6:34 pm : link
mentioned Colt McCoy. My favorite comment on here is that he has proven he can win a game. Yes,he has won one game since 2011.
Roster  
Dragon : 8/2/2020 7:11 pm : link
Still seems like too many guys these guys need to be in game shape quickly then you can begin to install real game plays and develop consistent team work. There are no games to practice it’s from practice to games that count.
I was looking forward  
tyrik13 : 8/2/2020 10:25 pm : link
To watching the kid Beitku from Illinois, he has very very high potential, only thing that hurt him was injuries. I think he’ll be one to catch on elsewhere and make us regret cutting him.
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Matt M. : 8/2/2020 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14942479 Eric from BBI said:
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Leonard Williams' hamstring injury isn't believed to be serious. His place on NFI is insignificant at the moment since the Giants won't begin practicing until Aug. 12 anyway, and not in pads until at least Aug. 17.
Having injured my hamstring before (twice, many years apart), I don't take it lightly. They take a while before you feel semi-normal and longer to feel like you don't have to think about it when you run.
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Jim in Forest Hills : 8/3/2020 8:34 am : link
In comment 14942498 Eric from BBI said:
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Dana Levine's highlights were a bit intriguing. But with no preseason and four linebackers drafted, these guys had an uphill fight.


Yes and also Golden confirmed now to come back. Another definite roster spot taken.
So far, I guess what the coaches are seeing is essentially rookie camp  
Ivan15 : 8/3/2020 9:17 am : link
So I can understand releasing UDFAs if they didn’t show the required skills to play the position they were signed for. What I don’t understand is releasing free agents with experience who you have tape on unless they are totally out of shape or unprepared to start training.

Some of these guys may end up on the practice squad, like maybe the QB, but it is so early in the process that it seems unlikely.
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ColHowPepper : 8/3/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 14942802 Matt M. said:
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In comment 14942479 Eric from BBI said:
Quote: Ralph Vacchiano
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Leonard Williams' hamstring injury isn't believed to be serious. His place on NFI is insignificant at the moment since the Giants won't begin practicing until Aug. 12 anyway, and not in pads until at least Aug. 17.///

Having injured my hamstring before (twice, many years apart), I don't take it lightly. They take a while before you feel semi-normal and longer to feel like you don't have to think about it when you run.
Agree 100% Matt, a careless, ill-advised comment for Vacchiano to make, especially with thickly muscled hammies, harder to diagnose accurately, longer to heal thoroughly
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BigBlueShock : 8/3/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 14942894 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 14942802 Matt M. said:


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In comment 14942479 Eric from BBI said:
Quote: Ralph Vacchiano
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@RVacchianoSNY
Leonard Williams' hamstring injury isn't believed to be serious. His place on NFI is insignificant at the moment since the Giants won't begin practicing until Aug. 12 anyway, and not in pads until at least Aug. 17.///

Having injured my hamstring before (twice, many years apart), I don't take it lightly. They take a while before you feel semi-normal and longer to feel like you don't have to think about it when you run.

Agree 100% Matt, a careless, ill-advised comment for Vacchiano to make, especially with thickly muscled hammies, harder to diagnose accurately, longer to heal thoroughly

What was so careless and I’ll advised about what he said? All he said is that it is not believed to be serious. And the roster move is insignificant at this time because they still have a couple of weeks before it may become an issue. Careless? I’ll advised? Wtf?
BBS  
ColHowPepper : 8/3/2020 10:20 am : link
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His place on NFI is insignificant at the moment since the Giants won't begin practicing until Aug. 12 anyway, and not in pads until at least Aug. 17.
My point is that there is nothing about hamstrings, especially in a thickly muscled athlete, that is insignificant. Nine days away from Aug. 12 can be nanoseconds in hamstring healing time. You just never know. We've seen this movie before with so many athletes, not Giants alone. Bottom line: to toss this off as insignificant is careless, ill advised, imo. We can agree to disagree.
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BigBlueShock : 8/3/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 14942928 ColHowPepper said:
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His place on NFI is insignificant at the moment since the Giants won't begin practicing until Aug. 12 anyway, and not in pads until at least Aug. 17.

My point is that there is nothing about hamstrings, especially in a thickly muscled athlete, that is insignificant. Nine days away from Aug. 12 can be nanoseconds in hamstring healing time. You just never know. We've seen this movie before with so many athletes, not Giants alone. Bottom line: to toss this off as insignificant is careless, ill advised, imo. We can agree to disagree.

Again, as I already mentioned he did not call the injury insignificant. I’m not sure why you’re reading it that way. He said the transaction of him being placed on the NFI “AT THE MOMENT” is insignificant because they are not doing any real work physically for a couple of weeks anyway
I understand and appreciate your parsing of his  
ColHowPepper : 8/3/2020 10:34 am : link
characterization. I disagree with it. I hope I'm wrong. Aside from the differences in our takes, I think the covid backdrop to all this--where players have had extended layoffs, no OTAs, no supervised weight training and other maintenance--to me it's likely that we will see more soft tissue injuries cropping up.
Re: DaMari Scott ...  
FStubbs : 8/3/2020 5:28 pm : link
... it's thought a lot of players who were longshots to make NFL rosters will look at opting out to guarantee a paycheck this year.
Williams  
Dragon : 8/3/2020 8:07 pm : link
Will now have the lame excuse he was never able to shake off the hamstring for the entire season if one is completed. Here’s a guy looking to prove to the masses that he is a special player yet can’t even make it to the first practice due to NFI. I won’t be to hard on him since he’s not going to loose any of the fine quickness reportedly which we have yet to see from him.
It's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/4/2020 7:34 am : link
really ineffective to be sarcastic when the grasp of the difference between lose and loose is fucking nonexistent
Has Leonard Williams ever missed a game due to injury?  
Britt in VA : 8/4/2020 9:11 am : link
In his career? Doesn't seem like he has but the numbers on the stat sheet aren't clear.
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