definitely not panicking at all, and its a good season for him to get back to things slowly.
Agreed. I just want to see improvement and have him on top of his game by mid season or so. If we get a stretch run out of him similar to last year, I'm fine with however long it takes him to get there.
I'd love to see him in top form right now but I think we have the team to give him the time to get there, and I want him right for the stretch.
the team is loaded and the division is nothing special we should moonwalk to 1st. Seeing as he's a FA we need to see what he has. With Schmidt and King in the wings I probably don't see us re-signing Tanaka and Paxton to big $ so we'll probably have to pick one. On the Judge front I agree 20-25 is his ceiling. Keep in mind one thing though he is playing virtually the whole 60 games in band boxes- YS, Fenway, Camden, Buffalo, Philly etc... even the other ones like Citi, Washington are not exactly cavernous any more. The 2 florida ones are a little tougher. So if he stays healthy he could put up monster #'s.
It’s likely that they are throwing a lot of analytics at pitchers and some it takes away the feel they have, maybe they’ve always been just kind of more instinctual and the Yankee ways of “improving” their game just take them out of the groove. Now clearly it works for many.
But I’m wondering if there is something (other than cheating) that the astros do to flesh out of pitcher personalities match up well with their teaching methods. And they do absolutely feel like organized methods and approaches, looking at someone like Charlie Morton.
Pax or Gray do not strike me as very cerebral players. But maybe it is something around only an unpleasant middle ground. The very cerebral players who can take in a lot of information without it overwhelming them like say Gerrit Cole or even a lot of the successful younger Yankee pitchers. (I do think some of the success of the way our bullpen performs) or even maybe simpler players that you can just give them specific game plans and they won’t get too much in their heads. Just some food for though.
In the middle of what is supposed to be a discussion about analytics, there is a completely unknowable conjecture about the degree of cerebral two pitchers you only saw through a TV camera, over telcom waves and then through your Tv...and tonally stated as if its a reasonable conclusion and not a complete wild ass guess.
In addition to pitching full time fall, summer and spring, Paxton was an all SEC Honor Roll player with a 3.35 GPA and a degree in Financial Accounting. He stayed beyond being drafted to finish his degree and graduate.
I understand the misconception. Einstein looked like a doddering fool and Michelangelo a mad man, Gates looks nervous, Jobs a hungry cat, Da Vinci a hermit so obviously none of them cerebral enough to pay attention to.
Paxton is coming back from off season back surgery. When he was pitching the best of his pro career last year with the Yankees was he cerebral then?
Maybe he was always cerebral enough and also had better feel when he felt better and his spinal column let him pitch to feel and his smarts.
Isn't "feel" a form of kinetic intelligence? One of the 22 forms of intelligence every person has to a greater and lesser extent?
Lincoln looked like a tubercular hick from beyond the sticks with one partial year of schooling before returning to the farm when his stepmother died and the crops needed planting.
At a time when Darwin's work was just becoming known many a commentator and cartoonist thought he was the evolutionary link.
but you haven't given me much of the benefit of the doubt here.
I was suggesting a personality difference over the idea that people that think more or less are better or worse.
Excelling at almost anything is some combination of preparation and the ability to find a peaceful focus when the moment calls for you to perform.
I'm suggesting that a of new information can also change a process or system that once worked for someone. It's not uncommon for athletes to get in their own heads when little changes.
I wasn't making any kind of value judgement by calling some people's processes simple.
And as I suggested with my Astros comparison sometimes it isn't what information you give people but the way you convey it to them. There are also elements of style in personalization in this involved in building the best culture.
Now the Yankees are a grade A organization through and through. Very little to pick at overall. Obviously a lot more pitchers are doing well here than not (Although they did just ask the pitching coach)
I was even asking if I was thinking about the Astros situation in a complete manner but I would say I can't think of great examples of pitchers losing much value in that uniform.
I ended with food for thought to indicate I was thinking out loud about something but you acted as if I drew some conclusions I very much did not.
the two years before he joined the Yanks his BAA was .223 and .224
Went up to .242 last year. I watched a lot of his starts and it definitely seemed like there were nights when he had it and nights when he didn't seem as composed, but his stuff still looked good. Like he was absolutely laboring too much mentally. Some players have much worse stuff than Paxton relying much more on the mental side vs the ability to still beat you if you guess the pitch right.
There is a big leap between this kind of observation and the implication that someone is smarter or dumber overall.
Variations in learning styles and adaptation to the "learning crucible" like going straight home to the kids after work instead of hanging around the clubhouse talking pitching nuances.
Very Possible. But also may be not yet healed so can't utilize the learning yet
Yes this topic also has me noodling on the types of pressure
that players could be better and worse at handling.
Take Gray for instance. Something about New York didn't fit with him. Yet playoff games were not an issue for him early in his career so the argument isn't to say that general pressure is a problem for him.
It is interesting to me to think about what was posed earlier as one thing that could interfere with a process that worked for him. It could be the general additional media attention in NY. It could just be that when you put on the pinstripes the expectation is that you win and maybe a more hey we are just having fun playing the game we love attitude works better for some. The A's are particularly good at the we are overplaying our dollars spent angle. That's harder to have for a franchise with constant lofty expectations.
Agreed. I just want to see improvement and have him on top of his game by mid season or so. If we get a stretch run out of him similar to last year, I'm fine with however long it takes him to get there.
I'd love to see him in top form right now but I think we have the team to give him the time to get there, and I want him right for the stretch.
But I’m wondering if there is something (other than cheating) that the astros do to flesh out of pitcher personalities match up well with their teaching methods. And they do absolutely feel like organized methods and approaches, looking at someone like Charlie Morton.
Pax or Gray do not strike me as very cerebral players. But maybe it is something around only an unpleasant middle ground. The very cerebral players who can take in a lot of information without it overwhelming them like say Gerrit Cole or even a lot of the successful younger Yankee pitchers. (I do think some of the success of the way our bullpen performs) or even maybe simpler players that you can just give them specific game plans and they won’t get too much in their heads. Just some food for though.
In addition to pitching full time fall, summer and spring, Paxton was an all SEC Honor Roll player with a 3.35 GPA and a degree in Financial Accounting. He stayed beyond being drafted to finish his degree and graduate.
I understand the misconception. Einstein looked like a doddering fool and Michelangelo a mad man, Gates looks nervous, Jobs a hungry cat, Da Vinci a hermit so obviously none of them cerebral enough to pay attention to.
Paxton is coming back from off season back surgery. When he was pitching the best of his pro career last year with the Yankees was he cerebral then?
Maybe he was always cerebral enough and also had better feel when he felt better and his spinal column let him pitch to feel and his smarts.
Isn't "feel" a form of kinetic intelligence? One of the 22 forms of intelligence every person has to a greater and lesser extent?
At a time when Darwin's work was just becoming known many a commentator and cartoonist thought he was the evolutionary link.
How did that turn out?
I was suggesting a personality difference over the idea that people that think more or less are better or worse.
Excelling at almost anything is some combination of preparation and the ability to find a peaceful focus when the moment calls for you to perform.
I'm suggesting that a of new information can also change a process or system that once worked for someone. It's not uncommon for athletes to get in their own heads when little changes.
I wasn't making any kind of value judgement by calling some people's processes simple.
And as I suggested with my Astros comparison sometimes it isn't what information you give people but the way you convey it to them. There are also elements of style in personalization in this involved in building the best culture.
Now the Yankees are a grade A organization through and through. Very little to pick at overall. Obviously a lot more pitchers are doing well here than not (Although they did just ask the pitching coach)
I was even asking if I was thinking about the Astros situation in a complete manner but I would say I can't think of great examples of pitchers losing much value in that uniform.
I ended with food for thought to indicate I was thinking out loud about something but you acted as if I drew some conclusions I very much did not.
Went up to .242 last year. I watched a lot of his starts and it definitely seemed like there were nights when he had it and nights when he didn't seem as composed, but his stuff still looked good. Like he was absolutely laboring too much mentally. Some players have much worse stuff than Paxton relying much more on the mental side vs the ability to still beat you if you guess the pitch right.
There is a big leap between this kind of observation and the implication that someone is smarter or dumber overall.
Variations in learning styles and adaptation to the "learning crucible" like going straight home to the kids after work instead of hanging around the clubhouse talking pitching nuances.
Very Possible. But also may be not yet healed so can't utilize the learning yet
Take Gray for instance. Something about New York didn't fit with him. Yet playoff games were not an issue for him early in his career so the argument isn't to say that general pressure is a problem for him.
It is interesting to me to think about what was posed earlier as one thing that could interfere with a process that worked for him. It could be the general additional media attention in NY. It could just be that when you put on the pinstripes the expectation is that you win and maybe a more hey we are just having fun playing the game we love attitude works better for some. The A's are particularly good at the we are overplaying our dollars spent angle. That's harder to have for a franchise with constant lofty expectations.