Won 2 Super Bowls as HC of the Giants in huge upsets and memorable games. Has another ring for Super Bowl XXV. Had very competive teams with the startup Jacksonville team.
So he won the 2 Super Bowls first and then turned an Expansion Franchise into a SB contender in only 3 years while being that team's de facto GM on top of being its Head Coach, he'd be considered an absolute lock and his legacy would look different.
As is, he's a guy who probably will get in but it might take him a while. Either way, 2 epic Super Bowl Championships with the Giants on top of the most impressive Expansion Franchise start in league history should mean his resume is good enough.
...success that quickly; and we won two Super Bowls head to head against the greatest coach in NFL history. Belichick had this success in the free agent salary cap era NFL! Unheard of. Coughlin went toe to toe and knocked him out twice; plus arguably he beat the greatest team of all time.
Even if you aren’t his biggest fan (Me included), you are being disingenuous if you say he isn’t. He is an absolute lock.
Why?
Because Coughlin's accomplishments by the numbers are at minimum in the 95th percentile of all NFL coaches and possibly higher, including 2 under dog SB wins against perhaps the best HC of all time?
RE: No one gives a shit about his time in Jacksonville
...success that quickly; and we won two Super Bowls head to head against the greatest coach in NFL history. Belichick had this success in the free agent salary cap era NFL! Unheard of. Coughlin went toe to toe and knocked him out twice; plus arguably he beat the greatest team of all time.
Lock!
Not the only. Dom Capers with Panthers at same time.
RE: No one gives a shit about his time in Jacksonville
While have very good coaching careers both flamed out big time at Carolina and Seattle respectively. As BB56 said they both took over very good rosters and in San Francisco it was a elite one.
If Gary Myers is still on the selection committee then he will probably argue against and TC will receive the some negatives from the Media types. You have only had one dominant regular season, four playoff less teams at the end etc...When you look at the overall resume and historic playoff wins it is a no brainer imo.
and it was better than what was done in Carolina, yet still not close to HOF worthy.
But when you add 2 SB victories both as major underdogs including possibly greatest upset ever against possibly greatest coach ever, you have to be a crazy Coughlin hater to say anything but f*ck yes.
what he did with an expansion team then what he did for a team he returned to - he'll make it. Also, though they shouldn't look at BC beating ND, they will when talking about how he got the Giants to upset the Pats twice.
he spent 8 years there and had 4 playoff appearances / 4 playoff wins.
his 12 years here were longer and he obviously won the 2 SB's but his 8 total playoff wins and 5 playoff appearances don't exactly dwarf what he did in Jax.
his W% in both orgs was actually identical (.531).
At the end of the day his impressive overall postseason record (12-7), his 20 year longevity as a winning coach, and 2 victories head to head over Belichek are simply HOF accomplishments.
You can't tell the storied history of the NFL without Tom Coughlin (the inception of the Jacksonville franchise and the two Super Bowl wins, one of which is an all-time classic)
He has more wins than a bunch of coaches who are already in the HOF (Cowher, Dungy, Levy, etc.) and is one of only 12 coaches to win multiple Super Bowls.
It's not even close, he's going in. Hopefully the voters don't procrastinate because coach is getting up there in years.
You can't tell the storied history of the NFL without Tom Coughlin (the inception of the Jacksonville franchise and the two Super Bowl wins, one of which is an all-time classic)
The fact is that Coughlin has a lot of losing seasons and mediocre winning percentage.
Sure you can say that. The record is what it is. If you get a sensible presenter and objective voters looking at it they will see that this was mostly from his last four years. Then you see since he left the Giants are on their third Head Coach and have a new GM and still have stunk. Hard to win when you have little talent to work with and I think most will see that drafting was the issue not TC.
The fact is that Coughlin has a lot of losing seasons and mediocre winning percentage.
Dr. D, above:
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But when you add 2 SB victories both as major underdogs including possibly greatest upset ever against possibly greatest coach ever, you have to be a crazy Coughlin hater to say anything but f*ck yes.
Records don’t always tell the most pertinent stories. 4 NFC Championship games. Meh.
His two SB wins were against Belichick.
He's basically right behind Parcells in wins and winning percentage, and he's AHEAD of other HOF coaches like Gibbs, Bud Grant. Levy, Cowher, Dungy.
His two SB wins were against Belichick.
He's basically right behind Parcells in wins and winning percentage, and he's AHEAD of other HOF coaches like Gibbs, Bud Grant. Levy, Cowher, Dungy.
I just hope they induct him before he dies.
He will never die. What’s wrong with you? This is TC we’re talking about!
Two of the greatest championship game victories in the 100 year history of the NFL belong to the New York Football Giants, and posters carp. Haters gonna hate.
His two SB wins were against Belichick.
He's basically right behind Parcells in wins and winning percentage, and he's AHEAD of other HOF coaches like Gibbs, Bud Grant. Levy, Cowher, Dungy.
I just hope they induct him before he dies.
What?
Coughlin (170/150/.531)
Parcells (172/130/.569)
Gibbs (154/94/.621)
Grant (158/96/.621)
Cowher (149/90/.623)
Levy (143/112/.561)
Dungy (139/69/.668)
Coughlin's winning percentage isn't close to any of those guys. Yes, he's got more wins, but he also has a lot more losses.
TC is the fifth most losing coach in NFL history. The biggest loser coach in NFL history, by the way, is Dan Reeves. And he has more wins and a better winning percentage (190/165/.535) than Coughlin.
I think most think he will not only get in but get in 1st ballot - you seem to think those losses matter so much he may not get in at all, unless i'm reading what your saying incorrectly.
When you quickly make an expansion team into a contender and then you take a team like ours who reset with the Rookie QB in 2004 to 8 straight non-losing seasons with 2 legendary playoff runs against the GOAT HC + QB, then i'm not really sure how any other shortcomings can make a dent.
Coughling lost his fastball towards the end with the in-game adjustment/management issues and coupled with some really shitty drafts the losses piled it. It happens.
Built a new franchise
+53% winning percentage
+65% playoff winning percentage
He is an elite head coach in football history
As is, he's a guy who probably will get in but it might take him a while. Either way, 2 epic Super Bowl Championships with the Giants on top of the most impressive Expansion Franchise start in league history should mean his resume is good enough.
Even if you aren’t his biggest fan (Me included), you are being disingenuous if you say he isn’t. He is an absolute lock.
Yes he is a HOF'er despite not being in the truly elite tier of head coaches (Walsh, Belichek, Lombardi, etc).
I love Tom Coughlin
Reminds me of an older America I grew up in
Even if you aren’t his biggest fan (Me included), you are being disingenuous if you say he isn’t. He is an absolute lock.
Why?
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He is a lock.
Even if you aren’t his biggest fan (Me included), you are being disingenuous if you say he isn’t. He is an absolute lock.
Why?
Really??? lol
Lock!
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He is a lock.
Even if you aren’t his biggest fan (Me included), you are being disingenuous if you say he isn’t. He is an absolute lock.
Why?
Because Coughlin's accomplishments by the numbers are at minimum in the 95th percentile of all NFL coaches and possibly higher, including 2 under dog SB wins against perhaps the best HC of all time?
Yeah his first time in Jax will count. Into the AFC Championship game twice in their first three years, IIRC.
He was on Parcells SB staff. He has two in NY beating the greatest coach of all time and once with an 18-0 team.
He is not a lock. But he is very likely in.
Shocker that you think it’s irrelevant...
Lock!
TC gutted the roster. Seifert and Flores inherited strong title contenders. Apples and oranges
In the words of Jim Morrison, “People are strange...”
It’s a stupid argument.
Lock
If Gary Myers is still on the selection committee then he will probably argue against and TC will receive the some negatives from the Media types. You have only had one dominant regular season, four playoff less teams at the end etc...When you look at the overall resume and historic playoff wins it is a no brainer imo.
I wonder what Parcells and Belichick would think?
But when you add 2 SB victories both as major underdogs including possibly greatest upset ever against possibly greatest coach ever, you have to be a crazy Coughlin hater to say anything but f*ck yes.
his 12 years here were longer and he obviously won the 2 SB's but his 8 total playoff wins and 5 playoff appearances don't exactly dwarf what he did in Jax.
his W% in both orgs was actually identical (.531).
At the end of the day his impressive overall postseason record (12-7), his 20 year longevity as a winning coach, and 2 victories head to head over Belichek are simply HOF accomplishments.
Coach A: 170/138 (.552) - Playoffs (8-6) - Two SB wins
Coach B: 170/150 (.531) - Playoffs (12-7) - Two SB wins
The fact is that Coughlin has a lot of losing seasons and mediocre winning percentage.
You can't tell the storied history of the NFL without Tom Coughlin (the inception of the Jacksonville franchise and the two Super Bowl wins, one of which is an all-time classic)
He has more wins than a bunch of coaches who are already in the HOF (Cowher, Dungy, Levy, etc.) and is one of only 12 coaches to win multiple Super Bowls.
It's not even close, he's going in. Hopefully the voters don't procrastinate because coach is getting up there in years.
Huge playoff upsets count too.
Who could say no to this face? - ( New Window )
Coach A: 170/138 (.552) - Playoffs (8-6) - Two SB wins
Coach B: 170/150 (.531) - Playoffs (12-7) - Two SB wins
The fact is that Coughlin has a lot of losing seasons and mediocre winning percentage.
Sure you can say that. The record is what it is. If you get a sensible presenter and objective voters looking at it they will see that this was mostly from his last four years. Then you see since he left the Giants are on their third Head Coach and have a new GM and still have stunk. Hard to win when you have little talent to work with and I think most will see that drafting was the issue not TC.
Coach A: 170/138 (.552) - Playoffs (8-6) - Two SB wins
Coach B: 170/150 (.531) - Playoffs (12-7) - Two SB wins
The fact is that Coughlin has a lot of losing seasons and mediocre winning percentage.
Dr. D, above:
Records don’t always tell the most pertinent stories. 4 NFC Championship games. Meh.
Unfortunately the words "flamboyant," "distinctive" and "celebrity" are not used in the same sentence with Tom Coughlin.
If he had a little more panache, I would be certain of his induction.
Unfortunately the words "flamboyant," "distinctive" and "celebrity" are not used in the same sentence with Tom Coughlin.
If he had a little more panache, I would be certain of his induction.
You don’t think his cheeks had the requisite panache? Asking for a friend.
He's basically right behind Parcells in wins and winning percentage, and he's AHEAD of other HOF coaches like Gibbs, Bud Grant. Levy, Cowher, Dungy.
I just hope they induct him before he dies.
He's basically right behind Parcells in wins and winning percentage, and he's AHEAD of other HOF coaches like Gibbs, Bud Grant. Levy, Cowher, Dungy.
I just hope they induct him before he dies.
He will never die. What’s wrong with you? This is TC we’re talking about!
Two of the greatest championship game victories in the 100 year history of the NFL belong to the New York Football Giants, and posters carp. Haters gonna hate.
LOCK.
He's basically right behind Parcells in wins and winning percentage, and he's AHEAD of other HOF coaches like Gibbs, Bud Grant. Levy, Cowher, Dungy.
I just hope they induct him before he dies.
What?
Coughlin (170/150/.531)
Parcells (172/130/.569)
Gibbs (154/94/.621)
Grant (158/96/.621)
Cowher (149/90/.623)
Levy (143/112/.561)
Dungy (139/69/.668)
Coughlin's winning percentage isn't close to any of those guys. Yes, he's got more wins, but he also has a lot more losses.
TC is the fifth most losing coach in NFL history. The biggest loser coach in NFL history, by the way, is Dan Reeves. And he has more wins and a better winning percentage (190/165/.535) than Coughlin.
I think most think he will not only get in but get in 1st ballot - you seem to think those losses matter so much he may not get in at all, unless i'm reading what your saying incorrectly.
When you quickly make an expansion team into a contender and then you take a team like ours who reset with the Rookie QB in 2004 to 8 straight non-losing seasons with 2 legendary playoff runs against the GOAT HC + QB, then i'm not really sure how any other shortcomings can make a dent.
Coughling lost his fastball towards the end with the in-game adjustment/management issues and coupled with some really shitty drafts the losses piled it. It happens.