NFT: Tigers/Cardinals posponed due to COVID

..and even it has ever happened, but what if teams do not play the same amount of games? How do you determine the higher standing team?

I believe it's winning %......which doesn't make entire sense but I do think that's it.

In comment 14943211 BillKo said:

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..and even it has ever happened, but what if teams do not play the same amount of games? How do you determine the higher standing team? I believe it's winning %......which doesn't make entire sense but I do think that's it.

BillKo, I'm wondering the same. I believe that was an issue during the '81 strike. It's clear as day some of these teams will not be playing a full 60 game season.

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16 winning %'s

......played requirement?

A team playing less games could have a higher winning percentage...but that's not exactly deserving.

In comment 14943219 BillKo said:

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......played requirement? A team playing less games could have a higher winning percentage...but that's not exactly deserving.

The Marlins are clearly banking on a playoff berth earned off their 2-1 record - don't burst their bubble.

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In comment 14943219 BillKo said: Quote: ......played requirement? A team playing less games could have a higher winning percentage...but that's not exactly deserving. The Marlins are clearly banking on a playoff berth earned off their 2-1 record - don't burst their bubble.

LOL....that's exactly what I was thinking.

Normal circumstances, teams will all get pretty close to playing all their games.....but these aren't normal!!!!

You really could penalize a team that played more games, but lost more too.

fun watching baseball for 2 weeks, but then again I'm a Mets fan. Sucks for teams like Padres who seem to have put together a nice team this year, all for nought.

Then they really should be punishing these teams and players. Instead they seem to be rewarding them with a week off that doesn’t matter because they’re going by winning percentage anyway.

Apparently the cardinals players were gambling and partying in Minneapolis - make their ‘B’ team at their alternate site play these tigers games. Probably go 0-4 but too bad ... next time follow the rules.

Still have no idea what the point is of 60 man player pools if the league isn’t using these other players.

In comment 14943250 MetsAreBack said:

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Then they really should be punishing these teams and players. Instead they seem to be rewarding them with a week off that doesn’t matter because they’re going by winning percentage anyway. Apparently the cardinals players were gambling and partying in Minneapolis - make their ‘B’ team at their alternate site play these tigers games. Probably go 0-4 but too bad ... next time follow the rules. Still have no idea what the point is of 60 man player pools if the league isn’t using these other players.

+1 to this entire post.

Where is there a hard and fast rule that the division winner is determined by winning percentage ? For as long as I remember any team that had less than 162 games at the end of the season would have to make those games up if they would make a difference in playoff eligibility. In fact about a week ago Joe Girardi said eligibility SHOULD be determined by winning percentage. That tells me that it is not the case now.

MLB made no provisions for playoff seeding with uneven numbers of games played. Even ignoring the possibility of covid cancellations, given how tight the schedule is they probably should have just to account for rainouts. But they didn't, although Manfred acknowledged the problem and floated winning % as the way to seed the playoffs yesterday.

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"We've got to be flexible on that," Manfred said. "Look, this is one of the reasons that we revisited the issue off the expanded playoffs. If it turns out that some guys play 60, some guys play 58, they have this new thing called winning percentage. We can sort that out."

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will have to worry about it. Do you really think the league can make it to 9/27?

In comment 14943335 Dave on the UWS said:

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will have to worry about it. Do you really think the league can make it to 9/27?

Phew!!! There it is! I thought for a split second that we may actually have a sports discussion without one of the usual suspects showing up to say that the season isn’t going to happen.

In comment 14943335 Dave on the UWS said:

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will have to worry about it. Do you really think the league can make it to 9/27?

I actually think it can if players stop being irresponsible.

The breakouts happen when players decide to break protocol and go out to bars/casinos/whatever.

The teams that have responsible players aren't having problems and the nature of the sport itself is such that the game is played without players near one another for the majority of the game.

For this reason, I think the NFL is going to have major problems and I don't think it'll ever really get off the ground. The virus will spread like wildfire if the NFL doesn't have a seriously stringent plan in place. I just can't see it working.

I do think MLB can survive, though. It's on the players - and there should 100% be more of a punishment in place for the ones who can't be adults here so that this stops happening.

In comment 14943338 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 14943335 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: will have to worry about it. Do you really think the league can make it to 9/27? Phew!!! There it is! I thought for a split second that we may actually have a sports discussion without one of the usual suspects showing up to say that the season isn’t going to happen.

LOL. Isnt it incredible - these same 8-10 guys on every fucking thread just hoping at this point for bad news to happen so they can say they were right!

good post, and glad to see you back here, amigo.

My view is going forward the league needs to mandate that if a team has an outbreak, their entire team is quarantined for an entire week and their backups at the alternative complexes fill in for them for a week. Cards should be playing their minor leaguers this week against the Tigers.

Go 0-4? Too bad... next time act like responsible adults.

In comment 14943354 MetsAreBack said:

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good post, and glad to see you back here, amigo. My view is going forward the league needs to mandate that if a team has an outbreak, their entire team is quarantined for an entire week and their backups at the alternative complexes fill in for them for a week. Cards should be playing their minor leaguers this week against the Tigers. Go 0-4? Too bad... next time act like responsible adults.

Hey buddy. Good to hear from you. Hope all's well.

I agree with you here. The calendar is going to shrink too quickly to just put teams on pause for entire weeks at a time. To then just turn around and use winning%-based standings basically means zero punishment for teams that have players spitting on the protocols. The Marlins are sitting near the top of the NLE despite not playing a single game since July 26.

This is what the taxi squads and expanded rosters are for.

If a team has a breakout, welp, too bad. Those players all go into quarantine until they test negative twice and the backups/minor leaguers take the field in the interim. If they lose those games, no one should feel bad.

Thought you were gone for good from this place

In comment 14943365 Kyle in NY said:

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Thought you were gone for good from this place

My man!

It's been a long break. I don't foresee myself posting quite as often as I used to, but now that baseball is underway and sports are slowly making their way back, I'll probably be around a bit.

Hope you're doing well.

A sliver of hope for 2020! Good to see you back posting. Hope all is well!

In comment 14943375 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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A sliver of hope for 2020! Good to see you back posting. Hope all is well!

Thanks, bud. What a year so far...

you little Puritans act like anyone who gets the virus exhibited some moral failing and were obviously not "responsible" when somebody could have picked it up from a family member or someone who served the team meal.

In comment 14943458 HomerJones45 said:

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you little Puritans act like anyone who gets the virus exhibited some moral failing and were obviously not "responsible" when somebody could have picked it up from a family member or someone who served the team meal.

No one is acting like anything. This is literally what happened. Players were irresponsible.

Good to see you're still cranky and insufferable as ever.
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you little Puritans act like anyone who gets the virus exhibited some moral failing and were obviously not "responsible" when somebody could have picked it up from a family member or someone who served the team meal.

We’re not giving them the death penalty genius. We’re suggesting mlb keep playing games and in the case of mass outbreak within a locker room ..... they use their taxi squad while they’re out for a week or two and what happens, happens. If they go 0-12 during that time ... so be it.

You don’t get 20 players on a team sick because one guy caught it from his family. And 6 and counting on STL. You get It because you ignored protocol you were asked to follow for a whopping 9 weeks out of 52 this year to earn your income for the year.

This isn’t hard.

I did not hit her, it's not true! It's bullshit! I did not hit her! I did not!

Oh hi, arc.

In comment 14943487 MetsAreBack said:

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You don’t get 20 players on a team sick because one guy caught it from his family.

Are you sure about that? LOL.......

...if you've remotely followed the MLB protocol manual, anyway. Go read the Atlantic article about how bothered/concerned the Phillies were all weekend about the Marlins behavior... not to mention the club hopping in Atlanta.

In comment 14943588 MetsAreBack said:

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...if you've remotely followed the MLB protocol manual, anyway. Go read the Atlantic article about how bothered/concerned the Phillies were all weekend about the Marlins behavior... not to mention the club hopping in Atlanta.

I wasn't talking about what the Marlins or Phillies did or were worried about.

I was taking your one comment on face value.....don't MLB players get tested every other day?

playing a random two game series in Buffalo against Toronto. They have 6 games to make up at this point and they'll get two off days next week? Toronto also has 3 games to make up at some point. Why in the world wouldnt they just have those teams play their 4 game season series in either Buffalo or Miami next week and start to get them back on track? Opens up dates for both teams in early September which may or may not be used, you'd think you'd want flexibility down the road regardless.

Just really unimpressed with the league's contingency planning throughout on this.

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Following COVID-19 clusters that saw 13 Cardinals players and staff and more than 20 Marlins players and staff test positive for the coronavirus, MLB and and the players association (MLBPA) have reportedly agreed to new safety protocols designed to reduce the risk of additional outbreaks within the game. In a series of tweets, Jared Diamond of the Wall Street Journal details the new measures: - Players and staff must wear face coverings that cover the mouth and the nose at all times while at the ballpark other than while on the field of play itself. This new mandate includes the dugout and bullpen. - In order to minimize time spent together indoors, home teams must provide outdoor covered spaces for the visiting team. Home teams must also provide appropriate spaces that allow for social distancing during rain delays. -Home team players and staff members are now prohibited from going to, in Diamond's words, "bars, lounges, malls or other places in which larger groups gather." - Players and team personnel must wear face coverings at all times at team hotels other than in each person's individual hotel room. - A member of a road team, whether player or staff, must inform the team compliance officer if he or she wishes to leave the team hotel for any reason. Diamond also tweets that MLB and the MLBPA have agreed to disciplinary measures for players and staff who violate these new guidelines. Diamond writes: Any covered individual found to be flagrantly violating these protocols, including refusing to wear a face covering after being reminded, can be banned from further participation in the 2020 season, following a written warning.

In addition to possible suspensions, MLB gravely warned that it was prepared to "turn this car around" if guys don't shape up.
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The phillies now have a 7 game series in Miami in 5 days. Lol.

Nats got yet another home ‘road’ game. Maybe mlb can bend over a little more for them? They’ve yet to leave dc this year and won’t this weekend.

and they are cancelling yet another game. USE YOUR TAXI SQUAD AT THIS POINT... TOO BAD. WTF people

or not. But if the season has to be scrapped, I'm pretty ok declaring the Royals as 2020 champs.

seriously though, the Cardinals have a taxi squad. They should play until they are certain the major league team is virus free. If they lose every game, oh well- maybe the major league team should have followed the protocols.

Instead of playing cardinals taxi squad ... now the cubs get punished with DHs later this year and losing off days because the cardinals didn’t take this seriously. I can not believe they aren’t playing a DH tomorrow with the cardinals taxi squad. Just Complete incompetence.

that anyone could take this season seriously but to each his or her own.

Or maybe cancelled instead of using their traveling squad for a few days.they have zero chance of making up now 13 games over 6 weeks. Zero. So I guess it’s win percentage which makes a complete mockety of this season and the other teams in the NL playing 9 innings every day and adhering to protocols on their road trips.

I’m at a loss for words with how MLB has handled this.

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Or maybe cancelled instead of using their traveling squad for a few days.they have zero chance of making up now 13 games over 6 weeks. Zero. So I guess it’s win percentage which makes a complete mockety of this season and the other teams in the NL playing 9 innings every day and adhering to protocols on their road trips. I’m at a loss for words with how MLB has handled this.

It’s a total mess. If I wasn’t so invested in fantasy, I wouldn’t give a damn about this “season”

For exactly this purpose. I can understand a day or two shutdown to bring in the other team and see if a lot of players are infected. Beyond that? Wtf are they doing? It’s been 10 days now since those players were together ... whoever hasn’t tested positive yet plays and you bring in 15 minor leaguers for a few days or a week if you have to. Obviously.

This is completely unfair and unreasonable to the other 14 NL teams.

but they're not even committing to their subsequent games later in the week.

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“In terms of when we’re going to get back on the field and get back to baseball, I just don’t know,” said John Mozeliak, president of baseball operations. “I’m not going to guess. Allow a few days to come and go and then we’ll reassess. Not having experience on how to truly isolate it and prevent it from spreading we’re learning as we go. I wish I had better answers. I wish I had something firm. But I don’t at this time.”

There's no mention in the article of the players at the alternate site, nor any indication that anyone has asked Mozeliak why they're not using them while the regular roster is quarantined.
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