NFT: Mets vs Braves: Avoid the Sweep deGrom edition

Gimenez at 3B. McNeil in LF, Smith DH.

Anthony DiComo
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Brandon Nimmo says he and his Mets teammates heard that Yoenis Céspedes' agents actually informed the Mets he was opting out before Sunday's game.

He's also heard the Mets' official story, that the team was blindsided during the game.

Nimmo said he doesn't know which is true.

In comment 14943249 DanMetroMan said:

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Anthony DiComo @AnthonyDiComo Brandon Nimmo says he and his Mets teammates heard that Yoenis Céspedes' agents actually informed the Mets he was opting out before Sunday's game. He's also heard the Mets' official story, that the team was blindsided during the game. Nimmo said he doesn't know which is true.

Here's some optimism for you - BVW has already checked out because Cohen is about to get the team and he knows it's time to tune up the resume...

Saying he didn’t hear anything until after the game and thought Cespedes was sick. Not sure if he’s trying to cover for him.

Whole thing is BS. Cespedes was pissed about ABs or something and said FU to the pons. Nothing to do with Covid. He went to the mall yesterday. Lol

but he's struggled defensively so not sure what the best way to get him on track is. Smith in LF hurts them less than Cano at 2b, but Cano is hitting right now so I guess they don't want to rock the boat.

Looks like that’s why Gimenez is starting. Davis apparently will be available to pinch hit.

In comment 14943258 ZGiants98 said:

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Whole thing is BS. Cespedes was pissed about ABs or something and said FU to the pons. Nothing to do with Covid. He went to the mall yesterday. Lol

Completely agree here. 2nd time Cespedes has used a previously known health excuse to abruptly quit on the team midseason. It appears he's just a quitter.

In comment 14943258 ZGiants98 said:

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Saying he didn’t hear anything until after the game and thought Cespedes was sick. Not sure if he’s trying to cover for him. Whole thing is BS. Cespedes was pissed about ABs or something and said FU to the pons. Nothing to do with Covid. He went to the mall yesterday. Lol

Mall pic is fake. It was posted 2 weeks ago.

a genuine picture, the story behind it is completely fabricated. Kid met Cespedes at the mall 2 weeks ago and posted it then.

In comment 14943264 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14943258 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Saying he didn’t hear anything until after the game and thought Cespedes was sick. Not sure if he’s trying to cover for him. Whole thing is BS. Cespedes was pissed about ABs or something and said FU to the pons. Nothing to do with Covid. He went to the mall yesterday. Lol Mall pic is fake. It was posted 2 weeks ago.

Ok well good to know. Doesn’t change anything though.

sure does. Him being at the mall yesterday provides evidence he's not particularly scared of the COVID situation. Really not going to argue with you on BBI anymore but once in a while it's okay to acknowledge you're wrong (especially when Barstool were the ones passing it around). I could care less about Cespedes, but the Mets statement was comical and they remain the joke of the sport. Sell, sell sell.

far this season other than Peterson looking good. Gimenez and Peterson pushing for starting roles next year would be a great development from what was likely to be a lost season even pre-pandemic from the moment Syndergaard went under the knife.

If they suck this year we may as well root for them to suck hard to get the highest draft pick possible too because at least the misery will be over quickly. In fact it may be a good time to stack the odds in our favor and bring back Callaway. Nobody can tank the first 2 months of a season like that guy.

My statement was that I believe Cespedes is full of shit regarding Covid and I appreciated the correction regarding the picture going around.

Sometimes it’s ok not to make a mountain out of every molehill.

In comment 14943273 Eric on Li said:

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far this season other than Peterson looking good. Gimenez and Peterson pushing for starting roles next year would be a great development from what was likely to be a lost season even pre-pandemic from the moment Syndergaard went under the knife. If they suck this year we may as well root for them to suck hard to get the highest draft pick possible too because at least the misery will be over quickly. In fact it may be a good time to stack the odds in our favor and bring back Callaway. Nobody can tank the first 2 months of a season like that guy.

With the Mets luck the draft order won't even be inverse of records (as is the norm in baseball). Keith Law has suggested it may not be.

mentioned during his podcast it's possible draft order is dictated by a weighted multi-season winning% (not the worst for the Mets but also not great if they are awful), or... weighted due to market size, which of course = awful for the Mets.

the same podcast it became very evident that (and maybe not specific to Brodie) but relevant... he (or GM's in general) have very, very little to do with the actual draft other than giving the okay to allocate money in specific ways. I'm confident should A-Rod, Harris or Cohen fire Brodie, the draft would be unchanged (strong the last 2 seasons).

new news on the sale per Gasparino

In comment 14943258 ZGiants98 said:

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Saying he didn’t hear anything until after the game and thought Cespedes was sick. Not sure if he’s trying to cover for him. Whole thing is BS. Cespedes was pissed about ABs or something and said FU to the pons. Nothing to do with Covid. He went to the mall yesterday. Lol

Alonso said "I have no idea about the communication between Ces and the team". Nimmo didn't say he personally heard before the game the agent spoke to them, he's saying he's heard after the fact the agent spoke to the Mets before the game.
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Adell promoted by the Angels. That should be fun.

lineup. Replace Ramos with a solid defensive catcher and I like it better.

if there was anything to say other than Cohen in pole position you can bet it would be on Jeff's burner account by now.

a Mets lineup had the speed of a Gimenez, Rosario and Nimmo and the power of Alonso, Conforto and even Cano/McNeil? Had to be one of the Reyes primes years when he and Wright were healthy and Beltran and Delgado were on the team. Maybe 2006 or so?

way, way too early to project draft stuff but keep an eye on local arm Chase Petty, his stuff is ridiculous.

In comment 14943294 pjcas18 said:

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lineup. Replace Ramos with a solid defensive catcher and I like it better.

I would also probably flip Dom and Alonso from 1B to DH. I think Alonso's poor D was overblown, but Smith looked natural and nimble in the field last year IMO.

I'll always be partial to '99 because Fonzy - Olerud - Piazza was just perfect 2-3-4 and that infield defense was just insane. Rickey gave them a great year too. Hard to beat that top 4 all hitting over .300 with OBP's near or over .400.

'06 was a deeper lineup with Wright and Floyd and no Ordonez.

This version has more athletes and since they are almost all homegrown they have several prime years ahead of them. The upside is there to be the best of the 3 groups if they can get Cano to DH and find a better defensive catcher.

They need to focus on getting these young guys into their ideal defensive alignments. McNeil needs to find a home and then find a place for Gimenez after that. If McNeil needs to go to 2nd, perhaps they end up shifting Rosario to 3B and Gimenez to short. It's hard to say but I'd start with finding a spot for McNeil and letting him focus on 1 position instead of 3 (at least while there's a DH).

people forget how good Olerud was.

On that '98 team he slashed .354/.447/.551 with a .998 OPS and a 163 OPS+. While playing gold glove caliber D.

Both the '97 and '99 seasons he regressed a little from that season, but still great years.

Easy guy to root for.

not to get too far off on a tangent but imagine a world where they:

resigned Olerud in '99
resigned Hampton in '00
signed A-rod in '00

Olerud wanted to go home to Seattle and Alfonzo's prime was was quicker than it should have been but the '01/'02 teams when Piazza was still Piazza they would have contended. They went 82-80 with Shinjo getting more at bats than anyone else in the OF and basically wasted Piazza's last few good years.

Add insult to injury they ended up spending almost as much money as they would have given those guys on Mo Vaughn, Appier, Burnitz, Alomar, Matsui, Glavine etc. In 03 Piazza got hurt and it was the beginning of the end for him but that was also the year Reyes debuted and Wright debuted the following year so they would have had the talent to keep things moving in the right direction.

with RISP so far...all time bad if this keeps up.

see the Mets score some runs for Jake.

Don’t want to see Soroka hurt. It was nice to see this pitching matchup. I hope it’s only a low grade twisted ankle and he comes back soon

Nice to see.

On current pace I don’t see deGrom going beyond 7 innings and the bullpen is a scary proposition right now.

In comment 14943406 Mike in NY said:

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On current pace I don’t see deGrom going beyond 7 innings and the bullpen is a scary proposition right now.

Is 7 runs enough? I don’t think so

but following the game online, what happened to Rosario?

If I had a nickel for every time a Mets fan said TDA would never amount to anything...

Shame we let him walk for nothing.

if we wanted to tear everything down. Since deGrom is in his prime and I don't see us competing this year, and he's 33 next year. I know its extremely unorthodox, but what could we get in return, conceivably?

Anthony DiComo
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Amed Rosario left tonight's game due to left quad tightness, per the Mets.

In addition, Robinson Canó departed due to left groin tightness.

The Mets have lost Rosario, Canó and Jeff McNeil to injury today -- three-quarters of their infield.

https://atmlb.com/3gtSYQ0

And we can’t do anything

In comment 14943425 CMicks3110 said:

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if we wanted to tear everything down. Since deGrom is in his prime and I don't see us competing this year, and he's 33 next year. I know its extremely unorthodox, but what could we get in return, conceivably?

You've asked this a bunch of times I feel like. Its not happening man. Nor should it.

Lets close this out...

McNeil, Rosario, and Cano. WTF.

Of course McNeil and Cano in particular seemed to be red hot.

deGrom, that's like trading Tom Seaver all over again even though Seaver was before my time, I bet that's what it would be like.

However, the Mets do have a lot of redundancy on the roster, so I would trade some players most people wouldn't. JD Davis, Alonso or Smith (one of those two should be traded), Rosario or Gimenez. I like them, but like I said they're redundant (or position-less). deGrom is probably the only player I wouldn't trade (besides Syndergaard, but if I'm not planning to extend him I'd trade him).

I would have expected Smith-Wilson-Familia

hire competent people on the field and off and see what happens. Hire a smart GM and let him decide how to develop the roster going forward.

They did that with Alderson who was by no means perfect, and forget spending money he had to cut salary for the first few years yet look at all the young talent they now have just because they drafted/developed very well in the top rounds.

If they can continue drafting the way they have while getting rid of the sideshow atmosphere and doing better with free agency, they can contend pretty quickly. Especially if they stop letting guys like Wheeler walk over $.

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He's the hottest guy in the lineup.

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outing for Hughes.

Not a fan of the soft tossers, but outs are outs.

What do you mean I’ve asked multiple times? I definitely have never asked that before.

In comment 14943491 CMicks3110 said:

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What do you mean I’ve asked multiple times? I definitely have never asked that before.

I thought you mentioned it multiple times last year? If not, no biggie. Apologies.

Tore his right Achilles. Out for the year. Sucks.

In comment 14943388 SJGiant said:

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Don’t want to see Soroka hurt. It was nice to see this pitching matchup. I hope it’s only a low grade twisted ankle and he comes back soon

Thanks but it’s apparently a torn Achilles which is a dagger in the Braves playoff chances.