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charles355 : 8/4/2020 8:03 am
With the Solder contract... we need to re-sign Leonard Williams long term and give him lots of money this year so next year we can cut Solder while Williams will have a lower cap ramification.

I would also re-sign Tomlinson long term and give him the most money this year so when Barkley and Jones will be free agent we will have the money for them :P
Its hard to plan ahead because of next years Salary cap cut  
Chip : 8/4/2020 8:12 am : link
There is now very little savings with Solders contract next season only 3 mil. He also might retire and then we get his dead money. Awfully hard to plan for next season with all the issues ahead.
Cutting Solder next year  
johnnyb : 8/4/2020 8:26 am : link
will cost $13 Million in dead money. Not sure the Giants go this route. Soldier opting out disrupted the plan of cutting him next year when dead money hit was a more manageable $6 Million.
Those things could make sense....  
George from PA : 8/4/2020 8:29 am : link
But there is no rush.....as they also might be trade bait, too....

I doubt the NFL and NFLPA will allow a massive salary drop.....as that will have a massive ripple effect and affect too many contracts....

They probably will spread the pain over several years so it will less of an impact......as the cap was going to climb with the new TV deals the following years
The Williams fiasco - I thought DG had a loose  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/4/2020 8:32 am : link
agreement with Williams' agent when he dealt for him - shouldn't be attended to now under any circumstances unless Williams comes way down of his presumed asking price.

The two things "good" about franchise tagging Williams this year, will be 1) if they let him test the FA market next year, he'll likely find his value even lower than this past year, due to the anticipated reduced cap and 2) it sets up "prove it" years this year for BOTH Tomlinson and Williams.

The Giants can decide to extend only one of the two, based on performance and cost both.

Let these guys duke it out for who earns the big bucks next year...

So no, don't lock up either of them now, let alone both.
Dumb Question..................  
GiantBlue : 8/4/2020 9:24 am : link
Can the Giants do to LW next off-season what they did to Markus Golden this past off-season?

I know that LW may have more suitors than MG had especially around the Covid circumstances.

Also, the rules may be different with tag vs. actual one year contract.

But just curious.
RE: Cutting Solder next year  
robbieballs2003 : 8/4/2020 10:07 am : link
In comment 14943550 johnnyb said:
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will cost $13 Million in dead money. Not sure the Giants go this route. Soldier opting out disrupted the plan of cutting him next year when dead money hit was a more manageable $6 Million.


The dead money doesn't matter. It is how much will they save with respect to what they'll get in savings on the cap. But cutting Solder next year only saves $3.4 mil right now so that would be the reason he wouldn't be cut. And if his bonus of $3 mil gets pushed back now then it would only save $0.4 mil so no way he is cut.
LW it's playing on the tag  
fireitup77 : 8/4/2020 11:58 am : link
he cannot negotiate a new contract until after the season.
Dead money is not a "cost"  
WillieYoung : 8/5/2020 9:04 am : link
It is a deferred cap charge which is there whether a player is cut or not. If Solder is cut in 2021 the full 13 Million is charged against the cap. if he is not 6.5 Million is charged in 2021 and 6.5 Million is charged in 2022. It will have nothing to do with whether he is cut or not. What will matter is the 9.9 Million we have to pay him to play next year. That's a totally avoidable cap charge. Unless both rookies fail, he will never see a penny of that based off last year's performance and his advancing age.
RE: RE: Cutting Solder next year  
LBH15 : 8/5/2020 9:33 am : link
In comment 14943618 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14943550 johnnyb said:


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will cost $13 Million in dead money. Not sure the Giants go this route. Soldier opting out disrupted the plan of cutting him next year when dead money hit was a more manageable $6 Million.



The dead money doesn't matter. It is how much will they save with respect to what they'll get in savings on the cap. But cutting Solder next year only saves $3.4 mil right now so that would be the reason he wouldn't be cut. And if his bonus of $3 mil gets pushed back now then it would only save $0.4 mil so no way he is cut.


Just reading this now. Still am a bit lost. It works this way because everything just gets tolled a year?

If Giants get a savings from not paying him this year and roll that over to next year doesn’t that allow them to cut him for a bigger savings than the $3.4?

Did Solders’ opt out just create a problem because the economics of his contract versus performance clearly made him a cut before that next roster bonus was paid?

Several questions if anybody can fill in the blanks for me...thanks in advance.
OTC and Spotrac have both revised their Solder pages  
shyster : 8/6/2020 7:50 pm : link
but they don't agree.

Spotrac now says both the prorated yearly signing and restructure bonuses get tolled from 2020 to 2021.

This puts them in agreement with Duggan's article in the Athletic and puts next year's dead cap number at $13 million.

OTC is keeping the 2020 $2.5M restructure bonus pro-ration with 2020 accounting, while pushing the $4M signing bonus pro-ration to 2021.

If accurate, this makes the 2021 dead cap number $10.5M and puts the 2021 cap savings from cutting Solder at ~$6M rather than $3.4M

LBH15, about your question about savings, there's a difference between cash savings and yearly cap accounting.

I offer the Solder pages from OTC and Spotrac for whatever enlightenment they may provide.

OTC - ( New Window )
And revised Solder Spotrac  
shyster : 8/6/2020 7:52 pm : link
which differs from OTC on tolling the 2020 restructure pro-ration of $2.5M.
spotrac - ( New Window )
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