I was excited to see him this season. Now we are left hoping that Ballentine takes huge step forward. Ballentine struggled mightily last season especially in the slot. He is a better fit outside and hopefully he surprises. Ballentine has talent but he was very raw last season.
Holmes will compete but he will most likely play slot CB. I wonder if Love moves back to CB to compete for the starting job opposite Bradberry.
The Giants need to add a veteran to compete with all these young corners. Logan Ryan will be the popular suggestion but he will cost a lot and he is also a better fit in the slot.
Dre Kirkpatrick would be my top choice.
With no OTA’s and limited real practice time leading into a year
That may not happen, neither Beal nor Solder’s presence (or anyone else who opts out by tomorrow’s deadline) was going to prevent the 2020 NYG from being among the 3-5 worst teams in the league.
That if there was one player viewed as a starter that needed this year, it was Beal.
New coach, new system, new guidelines, new structure...etc..etc.. And for a guy who has had very limited playing time over his first 2 years, this does not look good on his part.
That if there was one player viewed as a starter that needed this year, it was Beal.
I don't know about that. Another way of looking at it is if there was one starter for whom the team might better be served tolling this year so that they have him on his rookie contract through 2022 instead of 2021, it was Sam Beal.
This season is already a shit show. It is his third season, with a new staff, no pre-season, no practice, and enormous pressure because of Baker (he had plenty of his own things before that got tossed in his lap).
If we end up with a handful of games in 2020 and his contract rolls into the 4th year, he is all but assured to be gone. This allows him (and the Giants), to make sure he stays healthy this year as best he can, work out, learn, be with his family and attack his "third" pro year in 2021, with, hopefully, a more normalized program for him to develop in. Ideally, this helps his confidence going forward and turns out as a net positive for future Giants teams and Beal.
Good move for him, for his family, and for the Giants.
It means his contract tolls so the Giants will control his rights through the 2022 season. Sure, it's not great for 2020, but this is such a wacky year anyway with low to no expectations, that the Giants will be better off having him under contract for next year and the extra year when they are more ready to compete for a Super Bowl. It will be especially good for the Giants if it turns out that this season is cut short. He will have given up a year of free agency for $150K.
Thanks for this perspective, Milton. I think yours is the most perceptive take on this situation for the Giants.
...because so many here think throwing away 3rd rounders is totally excusable? Because Reese couldn't hit on any of them so therefore they are worthless, right? Right?!?
My pick for the guy who’s going to step up. Everyone thinks he’s a slot guy but he has always been an boundary corner and he’s going to surprise folks.
As a 23 year old kid he is probably getting pressure from his family to sit out if its not for a medical reason. Im not confident in a full season anyway so I dont see this as a big deal. I do think it will hurt his career in some way. I think no matter what guys who sit out wwill have that attached to them unless they are already proven players. I guess we will see.
I think we will sign a CB now that this happened. i wasnt so sure before but now pretty confident we will sign another proven guy.
My pick for the guy who’s going to step up. Everyone thinks he’s a slot guy but he has always been an boundary corner and he’s going to surprise folks.
Ugh, not Haley, Holmes ( never post before your morning coffee!!,)
once a giant always a giant.... for this guy, when is he a giant?
traded for Leonard Williams is like buying Manhattan from the Natives for $22 in trinkets compared with the 3rd round pick used for Beal.
That said, it's his right to opt out, dislike him (from a football standpoint of course) because he's awful and he was acquired with a premium pick, not because he's concerned for his welfare.
In all honesty Ballentine has the upside on the back end of the depth chart. He's really fast and physical, but he did get burned badly. Hopefully he can pick it up this year as the 3rd or 4th corner.
it's not like he's just sitting home and bailing on his team for his own benefit. Anyone is allowed to make a decision and who knows what situation his family members are in.
It could be as simple as his wife/gf being pregnant, and by playing the season he'd have to quarantine from her and/or the newborn, and not only that leave her to have to handle the newborn entirely on her own? The guy is making close to league minimum so it's not like he's able to hire a 24/7 staff to help his family while he's in a bubble bc he's exposed to 100's of people each week to play football. He could be in close contact with a diabetic. There are literally dozens of fairly common risk factors unrelated to him directly that would cause him to get advice from doctors to not participate.
Beal...I believe he does not....if he has elderly family members..staying away is not really that much of a hardship.
A fit young man.....is not at risk levels to worry about....
Beal has been at camp.....just wondering if there were others out playing him?
I'm sure he will appreciate your assessment of his health, his family situation, and his relative risk without any facts aside from "he's 23 and I don't think he's married."
The 1st real #s of total deaths in US are in for March.
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
and this has what to do with Sam Beal, presumably living in the tri-state area, and considering the prospect of traveling around the country and interacting with hundreds of others who have done the same?
Regarding Beal....my position is that if he is healthy....i have no idea why he would opt out.
You actually have no idea why he would opt out? That may be because you don't know a single thing about him, his health, his family, his risk appetite or his future plans.
It is ridiculous that you would think you should have an idea what he should do and why.
traded for Leonard Williams is like buying Manhattan from the Natives for $22 in trinkets compared with the 3rd round pick used for Beal.
I don't hate Beal (even sports hate), and at the time it wasn't a bad use of a 3rd round comp pick (according to the consensus), but it worked out terribly.
Well....this is a fan site....so if it not debatable
There are responses to the news that a Giants player has opted out. You seem to be the only one who is confused by why.
The NFL didn't create an opt out option - special circumstances or not, because it seemed like a fun thing to do. There is an expectation otherwise healthy people would choose to opt out.
sam beal will have been a giant for three years, and i think will have played a grand total of 3 games in that time, out of a possible 48. oof.
Maybe it's better to look at his full draft results vs. 1 pick? Every GM has multiple Sam Beals so if that's the criteria for evaluation it's not exactly telling. Beal looked halfway decent in his debut last year.
The 1st real #s of total deaths in US are in for March.
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
Makes perfect sense. Everyone hunkered down, no deaths from car accidents, no deaths from bar room brawls, no deaths from work accidents, and no deaths from all kinds of things that are the result of people being out and about (not to mention deaths via armed robbery since there are so fewer targets on the streets for the bad guys to encounter).
You have to love BBIers that try to turn every thread political
freedom of speech =/= freedom from criticism of what you say.
You can say what you like. Others can agree with you or call you a fool. Nobody is infringing on your right to free speech unless they are trying to get you banned or otherwise silenced.
I abhor the supplemental draft. The traditional draft process — combine, pro days, interviews, media, medicals, pressure — separates the men from the boys.
So many guys are slated to be higher picks then fall during the Spring. I don’t feel like the supplemental process puts that type of scrutiny on a guy. And too many guys “would have been a top X pick had they declared.” You really don’t know where a guy would have gone unless he goes through all the rigor.
Beal got medicals by 1 team I believe. Maybe if he goes through the combine his shoulder gets stronger look.
I apologize profusely for mistyping. The Giants could sign Logan Ryan to a 1-year contract.
Yes they certainly could afford his well-documented $10M asking price and he would likely be an effective slot corner. On a defense still likely to finish in the bottom quarter in team defense.
I’d prefer to give Holmes and Ballentine a shot and roll over money to next year.
Over the past two years, there was a lot of confusion on defense
especially in the secondary. It's going to be interesting what some new coaching can do with players like Ballantine and Haley. Holmes is an interestig prosect and Love can play safey and CB. I'm not as concerned as others re: the secondary.
Hopefully, this Baker thing evaporates, or results in a minor sanction
I don’t think Sam Beal wants to play football, period. After sitting for 2+ years and with a starting job staring him in the face, he decides to sit the year out? He is isn’t mentally or physically tough enough to play in the NFL. Too bad Gettleman didn’t figure that out 3 years ago.
I predict this guy will never play another down for the NY Giants.
I don’t think Sam Beal wants to play football, period. After sitting for 2+ years and with a starting job staring him in the face, he decides to sit the year out? He is isn’t mentally or physically tough enough to play in the NFL. Too bad Gettleman didn’t figure that out 3 years ago.
I predict this guy will never play another down for the NY Giants.
You have no idea what is behind his decision. Respect his decision...he owes us nothing
Holmes will compete but he will most likely play slot CB. I wonder if Love moves back to CB to compete for the starting job opposite Bradberry.
The Giants need to add a veteran to compete with all these young corners. Logan Ryan will be the popular suggestion but he will cost a lot and he is also a better fit in the slot.
Dre Kirkpatrick would be my top choice.
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Logan Ryan not signed up here
Because the Giants move like molasses going up a hill when it comes to signing FAs.
New coach, new system, new guidelines, new structure...etc..etc.. And for a guy who has had very limited playing time over his first 2 years, this does not look good on his part.
If we end up with a handful of games in 2020 and his contract rolls into the 4th year, he is all but assured to be gone. This allows him (and the Giants), to make sure he stays healthy this year as best he can, work out, learn, be with his family and attack his "third" pro year in 2021, with, hopefully, a more normalized program for him to develop in. Ideally, this helps his confidence going forward and turns out as a net positive for future Giants teams and Beal.
Good move for him, for his family, and for the Giants.
Thanks for this perspective, Milton. I think yours is the most perceptive take on this situation for the Giants.
I think we will sign a CB now that this happened. i wasnt so sure before but now pretty confident we will sign another proven guy.
Ugh, not Haley, Holmes ( never post before your morning coffee!!,)
That said, it's his right to opt out, dislike him (from a football standpoint of course) because he's awful and he was acquired with a premium pick, not because he's concerned for his welfare.
however, anyone complaining about any player opting out with what is going on in a Covid world is pretty short sighted
The risk vs reward for this year is astronomical vs waiting this year out
Yeah
Solder has a family with a sick child.
Beal...I believe he does not....if he has elderly family members..staying away is not really that much of a hardship.
A fit young man.....is not at risk levels to worry about....
Beal has been at camp.....just wondering if there were others out playing him?
It could be as simple as his wife/gf being pregnant, and by playing the season he'd have to quarantine from her and/or the newborn, and not only that leave her to have to handle the newborn entirely on her own? The guy is making close to league minimum so it's not like he's able to hire a 24/7 staff to help his family while he's in a bubble bc he's exposed to 100's of people each week to play football. He could be in close contact with a diabetic. There are literally dozens of fairly common risk factors unrelated to him directly that would cause him to get advice from doctors to not participate.
Solder has a family with a sick child.
Beal...I believe he does not....if he has elderly family members..staying away is not really that much of a hardship.
A fit young man.....is not at risk levels to worry about....
Beal has been at camp.....just wondering if there were others out playing him?
I'm sure he will appreciate your assessment of his health, his family situation, and his relative risk without any facts aside from "he's 23 and I don't think he's married."
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
and this has what to do with Sam Beal, presumably living in the tri-state area, and considering the prospect of traveling around the country and interacting with hundreds of others who have done the same?
Are you suggesting he seek refuge in Ohio?
You actually have no idea why he would opt out? That may be because you don't know a single thing about him, his health, his family, his risk appetite or his future plans.
It is ridiculous that you would think you should have an idea what he should do and why.
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traded for Leonard Williams is like buying Manhattan from the Natives for $22 in trinkets compared with the 3rd round pick used for Beal.
I don't hate Beal (even sports hate), and at the time it wasn't a bad use of a 3rd round comp pick (according to the consensus), but it worked out terribly.
You can think what you want....i do not care
You can think what you want....i do not care
There are responses to the news that a Giants player has opted out. You seem to be the only one who is confused by why.
The NFL didn't create an opt out option - special circumstances or not, because it seemed like a fun thing to do. There is an expectation otherwise healthy people would choose to opt out.
Maybe it's better to look at his full draft results vs. 1 pick? Every GM has multiple Sam Beals so if that's the criteria for evaluation it's not exactly telling. Beal looked halfway decent in his debut last year.
Like a failed drug test and pending suspension ....that is driving decision.
That is all.....
Like a failed drug test and pending suspension ....that is driving decision.
That is all.....
Based on what evidence???. Or what rumor???
Making wild speculations based on the fact that a player on your favorite time has opted out of the season and nobody notified you!!!???
We still have freedom of speech on this site....no?
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
Whats your point?
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
You can say what you like. Others can agree with you or call you a fool. Nobody is infringing on your right to free speech unless they are trying to get you banned or otherwise silenced.
You're welcome.
So many guys are slated to be higher picks then fall during the Spring. I don’t feel like the supplemental process puts that type of scrutiny on a guy. And too many guys “would have been a top X pick had they declared.” You really don’t know where a guy would have gone unless he goes through all the rigor.
Beal got medicals by 1 team I believe. Maybe if he goes through the combine his shoulder gets stronger look.
Logan was named to the NFL Top 100 Team. Ryan was ranked #60 by a vote of 132 players, and he was selected to the Pro-Bowl (alternate).
The Giants could sign Logan Ryan to a 1 year comtract. He is a playmaker and would really help the Giants.
Yes they certainly could afford his well-documented $10M asking price and he would likely be an effective slot corner. On a defense still likely to finish in the bottom quarter in team defense.
I’d prefer to give Holmes and Ballentine a shot and roll over money to next year.
Hopefully, this Baker thing evaporates, or results in a minor sanction
I predict this guy will never play another down for the NY Giants.
I predict this guy will never play another down for the NY Giants.
You have no idea what is behind his decision. Respect his decision...he owes us nothing
They should move on from this guy, he can't even stay on the field. Now that he is healthy, decides to opt out.
Time to move on.
As far as Beal goes some guys are just injury prone. No one here has any idea if he's actually a decent ball player. We never knew him.