And hope at the end of the day his Giants career works out. With that being said he has produced nothing since being here. What we’re losing is potential, not production.
It means his contract tolls so the Giants will control his rights through the 2022 season. Sure, it's not great for 2020, but this is such a wacky year anyway with low to no expectations, that the Giants will be better off having him under contract for next year and the extra year when they are more ready to compete for a Super Bowl. It will be especially good for the Giants if it turns out that this season is cut short. He will have given up a year of free agency for $150K.
He had a tremendous opportunity to start this year. It doesn’t look great for an NFL season this year. Just look at baseball.
Just look at baseball?
Baseball is going fine...some delays and postponements but its really one or two teams being crushed by COVID. teams that follow the guidelines are fine. football will be fine. we will have a season.
That's our right. Doesn't mean we are right, that's why we are fans.
I think with Solder, we know what we had, we know his family and his health risk...so most get why he opted out.
With Beal, he may have a family risk that we are not aware of, but the frustration is the possible loss of his development. Most fans would think he may not be in the Giants plans for next year. We may never see his full potential.
Like others said, lets play the players that are here. If its young players, then this is a great opportunity for them.
-Sam Beal had his finest game and moment as a Giant and it was important for him, as he has been either injured or ineffective for nearly 2 seasons, and that can put a guy in danger when it comes to his roster spot. He finished with a team-high 11 tackles, the one big play being a safety. Beal isn’t an overly big guy, but he played really physical on several occasions. I think his footwork and reactions are a little behind the curve still but he was a key contributor to the NYG win.
Redskins:
-Sam Beal finished with 6 tackles and, in my opinion, looked the best in coverage all things considered. One thing I see with him too is the attention to detail on his run-defense assignments. He is almost always where he needs to be and he caused a TFL that stemmed from maintaining his outside leverage. He did go down with a neck injury late in the game but returned.
Agreed. I thought Beal had a few good moments last season, which was essentially his rookie year.
I am intrigued by Christian Angulo. He apparently shut down Antonio Gandy-Golden.
...but what gives any of you confidence that there is even a remote chance of NFL football happening this season? The NFL, like MLB, has chosen to go in a non-bubble format, unlike the NBA and the NHL. MLB,a sport with minimal inter-player physical contact on the field, has already had several teams shut down.
Then there's the NFL, where players line up on the line of scrimmage within inches of one another, breathing directly on one another, then grasp and block and tackle one another in direct physical contact with multiple other players, not in a bubble, and you think there is any chance there is a shred of possibility in an NFL season being completed successfully?
I'm not saying I know. No one does. But my best guess is that if they even get past training camps, the regular season will get shut down within a week or two unless they have a plan to police the activities of every NFL player. And if that doesn't happen this will be baseball on MLB Covid steroids.
he looked more athletic than I expected relative to Ballentine and Baker.
the old "you can never have enough" adage is true at just about every position but doubly true for the positions that see 5 or 6 different players on the field per game.
Also put me in the let's sign Logan Ryan group. Tennessee was a young rebuilding team when they signed him also. Sometimes veterans help raise the level of play for everyone. He knows the system/Judge/Graham, he's from the area, he plays a lot of different spots, and last year he produced a ton of sacks/turnovers/tfl. Everyone wants to pencil Holmes into the slot but he's played a lot more on the outside and he may be needed there as much as the slot.
This year is so crazy, full of so many unknowns, that you don't want to tie up money you don't have to. Roll with what you've got the best way you can.
...but what gives any of you confidence that there is even a remote chance of NFL football happening this season? The NFL, like MLB, has chosen to go in a non-bubble format, unlike the NBA and the NHL. MLB,a sport with minimal inter-player physical contact on the field, has already had several teams shut down.
Then there's the NFL, where players line up on the line of scrimmage within inches of one another, breathing directly on one another, then grasp and block and tackle one another in direct physical contact with multiple other players, not in a bubble, and you think there is any chance there is a shred of possibility in an NFL season being completed successfully?
I'm not saying I know. No one does. But my best guess is that if they even get past training camps, the regular season will get shut down within a week or two unless they have a plan to police the activities of every NFL player. And if that doesn't happen this will be baseball on MLB Covid steroids.
MLB has had 1 big outbreak with the Marlins who are playing again and a small outbreak with the cardinals which was mainly staff members..
28 other teams have been fine and MLB just came out and said all 30 teams have everyone test negative..
Other sports not ina bubble are going fine with no positive tests..
...but what gives any of you confidence that there is even a remote chance of NFL football happening this season? The NFL, like MLB, has chosen to go in a non-bubble format, unlike the NBA and the NHL. MLB,a sport with minimal inter-player physical contact on the field, has already had several teams shut down.
Then there's the NFL, where players line up on the line of scrimmage within inches of one another, breathing directly on one another, then grasp and block and tackle one another in direct physical contact with multiple other players, not in a bubble, and you think there is any chance there is a shred of possibility in an NFL season being completed successfully?
I'm not saying I know. No one does. But my best guess is that if they even get past training camps, the regular season will get shut down within a week or two unless they have a plan to police the activities of every NFL player. And if that doesn't happen this will be baseball on MLB Covid steroids.
Their complexes, outside of the White House, are probably the safest places to be these days.
This year is so crazy, full of so many unknowns, that you don't want to tie up money you don't have to. Roll with what you've got the best way you can.
Agreed. Pre covid no sports I would have said bring him in but with all the nonsense going on i'd like to roll over as much cap space into next year to absorb Solder's shit contract
too late to bring in anyone except a kicker. We need to roll over as much cap space as we can to next year. We aren't going anywhere this year in all likelihood.
I was excited to see him this season. Now we are left hoping that Ballentine takes huge step forward. Ballentine struggled mightily last season especially in the slot. He is a better fit outside and hopefully he surprises. Ballentine has talent but he was very raw last season.
Holmes will compete but he will most likely play slot CB. I wonder if Love moves back to CB to compete for the starting job opposite Bradberry.
The Giants need to add a veteran to compete with all these young corners. Logan Ryan will be the popular suggestion but he will cost a lot and he is also a better fit in the slot.
Dre Kirkpatrick would be my top choice.
With no OTA’s and limited real practice time leading into a year
That may not happen, neither Beal nor Solder’s presence (or anyone else who opts out by tomorrow’s deadline) was going to prevent the 2020 NYG from being among the 3-5 worst teams in the league.
That if there was one player viewed as a starter that needed this year, it was Beal.
New coach, new system, new guidelines, new structure...etc..etc.. And for a guy who has had very limited playing time over his first 2 years, this does not look good on his part.
That if there was one player viewed as a starter that needed this year, it was Beal.
I don't know about that. Another way of looking at it is if there was one starter for whom the team might better be served tolling this year so that they have him on his rookie contract through 2022 instead of 2021, it was Sam Beal.
This season is already a shit show. It is his third season, with a new staff, no pre-season, no practice, and enormous pressure because of Baker (he had plenty of his own things before that got tossed in his lap).
If we end up with a handful of games in 2020 and his contract rolls into the 4th year, he is all but assured to be gone. This allows him (and the Giants), to make sure he stays healthy this year as best he can, work out, learn, be with his family and attack his "third" pro year in 2021, with, hopefully, a more normalized program for him to develop in. Ideally, this helps his confidence going forward and turns out as a net positive for future Giants teams and Beal.
Good move for him, for his family, and for the Giants.
It means his contract tolls so the Giants will control his rights through the 2022 season. Sure, it's not great for 2020, but this is such a wacky year anyway with low to no expectations, that the Giants will be better off having him under contract for next year and the extra year when they are more ready to compete for a Super Bowl. It will be especially good for the Giants if it turns out that this season is cut short. He will have given up a year of free agency for $150K.
Thanks for this perspective, Milton. I think yours is the most perceptive take on this situation for the Giants.
...because so many here think throwing away 3rd rounders is totally excusable? Because Reese couldn't hit on any of them so therefore they are worthless, right? Right?!?
My pick for the guy who’s going to step up. Everyone thinks he’s a slot guy but he has always been an boundary corner and he’s going to surprise folks.
As a 23 year old kid he is probably getting pressure from his family to sit out if its not for a medical reason. Im not confident in a full season anyway so I dont see this as a big deal. I do think it will hurt his career in some way. I think no matter what guys who sit out wwill have that attached to them unless they are already proven players. I guess we will see.
I think we will sign a CB now that this happened. i wasnt so sure before but now pretty confident we will sign another proven guy.
My pick for the guy who’s going to step up. Everyone thinks he’s a slot guy but he has always been an boundary corner and he’s going to surprise folks.
Ugh, not Haley, Holmes ( never post before your morning coffee!!,)
once a giant always a giant.... for this guy, when is he a giant?
traded for Leonard Williams is like buying Manhattan from the Natives for $22 in trinkets compared with the 3rd round pick used for Beal.
That said, it's his right to opt out, dislike him (from a football standpoint of course) because he's awful and he was acquired with a premium pick, not because he's concerned for his welfare.
In all honesty Ballentine has the upside on the back end of the depth chart. He's really fast and physical, but he did get burned badly. Hopefully he can pick it up this year as the 3rd or 4th corner.
it's not like he's just sitting home and bailing on his team for his own benefit. Anyone is allowed to make a decision and who knows what situation his family members are in.
It could be as simple as his wife/gf being pregnant, and by playing the season he'd have to quarantine from her and/or the newborn, and not only that leave her to have to handle the newborn entirely on her own? The guy is making close to league minimum so it's not like he's able to hire a 24/7 staff to help his family while he's in a bubble bc he's exposed to 100's of people each week to play football. He could be in close contact with a diabetic. There are literally dozens of fairly common risk factors unrelated to him directly that would cause him to get advice from doctors to not participate.
Beal...I believe he does not....if he has elderly family members..staying away is not really that much of a hardship.
A fit young man.....is not at risk levels to worry about....
Beal has been at camp.....just wondering if there were others out playing him?
I'm sure he will appreciate your assessment of his health, his family situation, and his relative risk without any facts aside from "he's 23 and I don't think he's married."
The 1st real #s of total deaths in US are in for March.
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
and this has what to do with Sam Beal, presumably living in the tri-state area, and considering the prospect of traveling around the country and interacting with hundreds of others who have done the same?
I would think that means his personal situation is greater than the opportunity.
He’s keeping his family healthy. Maybe there’s more you don’t know about. There’s a lot more to life than playing football for a 5 win team .
We weren't winning anything with or without Solder. And he wasnt going to be a part of the long term solution considering his age and salary numbers.
The Giants are going to stink on defense with or without Logan Ryan. And they're going to stink as a team with or without him.
Just ride with what they've got, give valuable time to the young guys and hopefully see some hope for the future.
DG should do this every year.
Ballentine,Love, Holmes or who know may Hartage will have to step up.
I like Ballentine's tool set a ton, and look at what he accomplished last year.
Just getting on the field showed a ton of toughness after losing his best friend and taking a bullet himself.
His AA is excellent.
And people act like they care about these athletes..
Just look at baseball?
Baseball is going fine...some delays and postponements but its really one or two teams being crushed by COVID. teams that follow the guidelines are fine. football will be fine. we will have a season.
I think with Solder, we know what we had, we know his family and his health risk...so most get why he opted out.
With Beal, he may have a family risk that we are not aware of, but the frustration is the possible loss of his development. Most fans would think he may not be in the Giants plans for next year. We may never see his full potential.
Like others said, lets play the players that are here. If its young players, then this is a great opportunity for them.
Just anothet wasted 3rd round pick for DG 🤦🏾♂️.
-Sam Beal had his finest game and moment as a Giant and it was important for him, as he has been either injured or ineffective for nearly 2 seasons, and that can put a guy in danger when it comes to his roster spot. He finished with a team-high 11 tackles, the one big play being a safety. Beal isn’t an overly big guy, but he played really physical on several occasions. I think his footwork and reactions are a little behind the curve still but he was a key contributor to the NYG win.
Redskins:
-Sam Beal finished with 6 tackles and, in my opinion, looked the best in coverage all things considered. One thing I see with him too is the attention to detail on his run-defense assignments. He is almost always where he needs to be and he caused a TFL that stemmed from maintaining his outside leverage. He did go down with a neck injury late in the game but returned.
Agreed. I thought Beal had a few good moments last season, which was essentially his rookie year.
I am intrigued by Christian Angulo. He apparently shut down Antonio Gandy-Golden.
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Then there's the NFL, where players line up on the line of scrimmage within inches of one another, breathing directly on one another, then grasp and block and tackle one another in direct physical contact with multiple other players, not in a bubble, and you think there is any chance there is a shred of possibility in an NFL season being completed successfully?
I'm not saying I know. No one does. But my best guess is that if they even get past training camps, the regular season will get shut down within a week or two unless they have a plan to police the activities of every NFL player. And if that doesn't happen this will be baseball on MLB Covid steroids.
Because the Giants move like molasses going up a hill when it comes to signing FAs.
the old "you can never have enough" adage is true at just about every position but doubly true for the positions that see 5 or 6 different players on the field per game.
Also put me in the let's sign Logan Ryan group. Tennessee was a young rebuilding team when they signed him also. Sometimes veterans help raise the level of play for everyone. He knows the system/Judge/Graham, he's from the area, he plays a lot of different spots, and last year he produced a ton of sacks/turnovers/tfl. Everyone wants to pencil Holmes into the slot but he's played a lot more on the outside and he may be needed there as much as the slot.
Then there's the NFL, where players line up on the line of scrimmage within inches of one another, breathing directly on one another, then grasp and block and tackle one another in direct physical contact with multiple other players, not in a bubble, and you think there is any chance there is a shred of possibility in an NFL season being completed successfully?
I'm not saying I know. No one does. But my best guess is that if they even get past training camps, the regular season will get shut down within a week or two unless they have a plan to police the activities of every NFL player. And if that doesn't happen this will be baseball on MLB Covid steroids.
MLB has had 1 big outbreak with the Marlins who are playing again and a small outbreak with the cardinals which was mainly staff members..
28 other teams have been fine and MLB just came out and said all 30 teams have everyone test negative..
Other sports not ina bubble are going fine with no positive tests..
It can be done
Then there's the NFL, where players line up on the line of scrimmage within inches of one another, breathing directly on one another, then grasp and block and tackle one another in direct physical contact with multiple other players, not in a bubble, and you think there is any chance there is a shred of possibility in an NFL season being completed successfully?
I'm not saying I know. No one does. But my best guess is that if they even get past training camps, the regular season will get shut down within a week or two unless they have a plan to police the activities of every NFL player. And if that doesn't happen this will be baseball on MLB Covid steroids.
Their complexes, outside of the White House, are probably the safest places to be these days.
or Julian Love
Agreed. Pre covid no sports I would have said bring him in but with all the nonsense going on i'd like to roll over as much cap space into next year to absorb Solder's shit contract
Holmes will compete but he will most likely play slot CB. I wonder if Love moves back to CB to compete for the starting job opposite Bradberry.
The Giants need to add a veteran to compete with all these young corners. Logan Ryan will be the popular suggestion but he will cost a lot and he is also a better fit in the slot.
Dre Kirkpatrick would be my top choice.
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Logan Ryan not signed up here
Because the Giants move like molasses going up a hill when it comes to signing FAs.
New coach, new system, new guidelines, new structure...etc..etc.. And for a guy who has had very limited playing time over his first 2 years, this does not look good on his part.
If we end up with a handful of games in 2020 and his contract rolls into the 4th year, he is all but assured to be gone. This allows him (and the Giants), to make sure he stays healthy this year as best he can, work out, learn, be with his family and attack his "third" pro year in 2021, with, hopefully, a more normalized program for him to develop in. Ideally, this helps his confidence going forward and turns out as a net positive for future Giants teams and Beal.
Good move for him, for his family, and for the Giants.
Thanks for this perspective, Milton. I think yours is the most perceptive take on this situation for the Giants.
I think we will sign a CB now that this happened. i wasnt so sure before but now pretty confident we will sign another proven guy.
Ugh, not Haley, Holmes ( never post before your morning coffee!!,)
That said, it's his right to opt out, dislike him (from a football standpoint of course) because he's awful and he was acquired with a premium pick, not because he's concerned for his welfare.
however, anyone complaining about any player opting out with what is going on in a Covid world is pretty short sighted
The risk vs reward for this year is astronomical vs waiting this year out
Yeah
Solder has a family with a sick child.
Beal...I believe he does not....if he has elderly family members..staying away is not really that much of a hardship.
A fit young man.....is not at risk levels to worry about....
Beal has been at camp.....just wondering if there were others out playing him?
It could be as simple as his wife/gf being pregnant, and by playing the season he'd have to quarantine from her and/or the newborn, and not only that leave her to have to handle the newborn entirely on her own? The guy is making close to league minimum so it's not like he's able to hire a 24/7 staff to help his family while he's in a bubble bc he's exposed to 100's of people each week to play football. He could be in close contact with a diabetic. There are literally dozens of fairly common risk factors unrelated to him directly that would cause him to get advice from doctors to not participate.
Solder has a family with a sick child.
Beal...I believe he does not....if he has elderly family members..staying away is not really that much of a hardship.
A fit young man.....is not at risk levels to worry about....
Beal has been at camp.....just wondering if there were others out playing him?
I'm sure he will appreciate your assessment of his health, his family situation, and his relative risk without any facts aside from "he's 23 and I don't think he's married."
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
The US loses about 3 million people a year....every year....roughly 250,000 people a month.
The last 5 years....the US actually lost about 227,000 people in March.
In March 2020....the US lost 193,000.
34,000 people less deaths in 2020..then the average of the past 5 years in US.
and this has what to do with Sam Beal, presumably living in the tri-state area, and considering the prospect of traveling around the country and interacting with hundreds of others who have done the same?
Are you suggesting he seek refuge in Ohio?