Whenever Peart is in the discussion it is always about how he can be a productive player with more experience and seasoning. Why are others farther along when Peart was a 4 year starter that never missed a game? Did UCONN coaching and competition suck that much? Please help me understand.
I am one that thinks he might win the job over Fleming at some point during the season, if not in camp
Exactly ^^^^. Not so much for Thomas who's already fared well vs guys who produced immediately as rookies in the NFL (Josh Allen). The jump in comp from UConn is gonna be huge.
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Not playing against NFL caliber DE’s needs to get stronger/more physical especially in running game
Exactly ^^^^. Not so much for Thomas who's already fared well vs guys who produced immediately as rookies in the NFL (Josh Allen). The jump in comp from UConn is gonna be huge.
While I agree that he didnt face anywhere near the same competition that Thomas did in the SEC, its not like he was playing NAIA level competition. While the AAC isnt a Power 5 conference, with teams like UCF, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis if there were a Power 6 they would probably be the 6. Probably a bit better than CUSA and the MAC and on the same level or even a bit higher than the MWC. Dont recall the same issues being brought up when a OT is drafted from, say, Boise St. There will be a jump for sure, but not as huge as if here were coming from a FCS or NAIA level school.
With that said, he was a late 3rd round pick and something like the 10th tackle drafted so it wouldn’t be unusual for him to need some development time before he can contribute.
Going back, I'm thinking about Flowers, Pugh, Brewer, Beatty, Pettigout, Hatch, Oben, Gragg (boy, Big Blue drafts crummy linemen)- I have to go back to Jumbo Elliott to find a tackle who was actually 'Good to go out of the box'.
I guess Pugh was *ok* as a RT initially actually. But he was a first rounder - Peart is a 3rd. I'd be shocked if he came out as a viable starter.
Going back, I'm thinking about Flowers, Pugh, Brewer, Beatty, Pettigout, Hatch, Oben, Gragg (boy, Big Blue drafts crummy linemen)- I have to go back to Jumbo Elliott to find a tackle who was actually 'Good to go out of the box'.
I guess Pugh was *ok* as a RT initially actually. But he was a first rounder - Peart is a 3rd. I'd be shocked if he came out as a viable starter.
are you kidding
David Diehl was a 5th round starter day 1 at RT
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...what rookie OT's came in and were immediately productive?
Going back, I'm thinking about Flowers, Pugh, Brewer, Beatty, Pettigout, Hatch, Oben, Gragg (boy, Big Blue drafts crummy linemen)- I have to go back to Jumbo Elliott to find a tackle who was actually 'Good to go out of the box'.
I guess Pugh was *ok* as a RT initially actually. But he was a first rounder - Peart is a 3rd. I'd be shocked if he came out as a viable starter.
are you kidding
David Diehl was a 5th round starter day 1 at RT
Physically he looks ready to me, mentally (football smarts), is where I think his improvement will come. But his real key for me, and I have no way to know this, but how much does he want it, to me that will be his determining factor.
Fleming knows the system and with Covid-19 that puts him way ahead.
I would not be surprised if Peart is not the starter by year end.
Fleming knows the system and with Covid-19 that puts him way ahead.
I would not be surprised if Peart is not the starter by year end.
Not really important LarryFlowers but I think Diehl only played Guard his first year. Started all 16 games there. That was a great accomplishment.
Physically he looks ready to me, mentally (football smarts), is where I think his improvement will come. But his real key for me, and I have no way to know this, but how much does he want it, to me that will be his determining factor.
How much does he want it? That is what separates the good from the great so often. Let's hope as part of his scouting the brain trust looked into that as well.
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Fleming is a proven back up swing tackle and Gates might be our center.
Fleming knows the system and with Covid-19 that puts him way ahead.
I would not be surprised if Peart is not the starter by year end.
Not really important LarryFlowers but I think Diehl only played Guard his first year. Started all 16 games there. That was a great accomplishment.
I thought he move to Guard in year 2 but I could be wrong!
it's seems like a life time ago
The issue has been his weight (6'7" 318 lbs) with a ridiculous arm length and wingspan (a dream size for a tackle), but the 318 lbs is about 15-20 light for his frame. I imagine he's already gained 5 - 10 lbs of muscle mass from conditioning. He's going to be fine and we're going to end up loving him!
Haha, very good !
The issue has been his weight (6'7" 318 lbs) with a ridiculous arm length and wingspan (a dream size for a tackle), but the 318 lbs is about 15-20 light for his frame. I imagine he's already gained 5 - 10 lbs of muscle mass from conditioning. He's going to be fine and we're going to end up loving him!
I don't think 318 is too light. The guy is muscular, with little gut, which should make him quicker. He is not built like Reggie McKenzie, true. He is likely to gain some weight and strength with NFL training between now and next July. I believe it has more to do with speed of the game and the complexity combined.
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...what rookie OT's came in and were immediately productive?
Going back, I'm thinking about Flowers, Pugh, Brewer, Beatty, Pettigout, Hatch, Oben, Gragg (boy, Big Blue drafts crummy linemen)- I have to go back to Jumbo Elliott to find a tackle who was actually 'Good to go out of the box'.
I guess Pugh was *ok* as a RT initially actually. But he was a first rounder - Peart is a 3rd. I'd be shocked if he came out as a viable starter.
are you kidding
David Diehl was a 5th round starter day 1 at RT
Mike Rosenthal was a rookie in 99 - he was a bench warmer his rookie year, Roman Oben and Scott Gragg were the starting tackles, 99, Luke Pettigout's rookie season was at Guard.
My point is simply that I'd even be thrilled if *Thomas* was able to play at a high level out of the box. It's simply not a plug and play position so the thought of *Peart* stepping in and being a viable rookie tackle isn't likely.
Don't get me wrong, I *hope* both men step in and become Jones' long term bookends. I have high hopes for this Giant offense, and quality OL are key.
Go have a look at David Diehl's snapshot analysis of both OTs (posted separately) in The Huddle podcast section on Giants.com. Thomas has a wicked punch, but doesn't employ it consistently enough and still needs to work on hand placement. Peart doesn't have a punch. Not at all, really. He will be just learning it now in the NFL.
At the college level Peart got by and even excelled (relative to his teammates) pretty much on raw ability and decent footwork alone. That's not near enough to handle the NFC East's top pass rushers, who all happen to play for the opposition and NOT for the Giants.
That he was a 4 year starter means so little.
That he was a 4 year starter means so little.
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Do you have evidence to back up this statement? Please provide it.
Otherwise, this sounds like something you just pulled out of your bunghole, rather than a valid observation or analysis.
Seriously curious...