I don't understand why MLB allows the most incompetent Ump in Baseball to not only continue in the Major Leagues but actually work the playoffs, Allstars, and World Series games?
Is it because of the BS lawsuit he filed in 2017 citing discrimination? Honestly, it's not a secret the guy is horrendous out there and should have been canned years ago. So why let such incompetence ruin the game?
Objectively he is actually one of the better balls/strikes umpires in MLB according to those who look at the data and not just the box on the screen. I believe the playoff game after he had like 3 overturns in the field he only missed one call behind the plate. Granted the source for that gives a one inch in every direction because the existing technology quoted that as the margin of error and everything in that one inch margin of error is deemed correct regardless of the call from the umpire.
Objectively he is actually one of the better balls/strikes umpires in MLB according to those who look at the data and not just the box on the screen. I believe the playoff game after he had like 3 overturns in the field he only missed one call behind the plate. Granted the source for that gives a one inch in every direction because the existing technology quoted that as the margin of error and everything in that one inch margin of error is deemed correct regardless of the call from the umpire.
Yeah I’m calling bullshit on this. There isn’t a player or coach in the league that would back this up. He’s inept and confrontational. Bad mix
[quote]MLB’s subpoena wanted, in essence, Angel Hernandez’s personnel records from the union – things like performance reviews, strike zone ratings, postseason assignment considerations, grievances, and considerations for promotions. MLB also wanted all communications between Hernandez and the union concerning those topics. And if you’re wondering whether MLB had some of those documents already, the answer is yes. What MLB is really after here is twofold: first, to see what the union’s own internal evaluations of Hernandez were, and second, to see if Hernandez made a paper trail with the union about the discrimination he’s alleging. And there’s no doubt that, at least facially, these requested documents are relevant; what the Major League Baseball Umpire’s Association thinks of Hernandez’s performance, and whether he reported the discrimination to the union, are facts undeniably pertinent to the league’s defense of the lawsuit.
Ordinarily, that relevance would be enough. But Hernandez asked the court to quash the subpoena on the basis of something called the “labor relations privilege” (which Hernandez’s lawyer, probably incorrectly, calls the “union relations privilege.”)
Why would Hernandez want the subpoena squashed? Because MLB's assessments showed that Hernandez was annually among the worst at actually doing the thing he's trying to keep: His job[/quote
1) On multiple occasions Angel Hernandez was recommended by supervisors to work the World Series only to be overruled by MLB brass
2) A non-minority Umpire who did want to apply for Crew Chief because he felt that Wally Bell and Angel Hernandez were more deserving was pressured into applying just so Angel Hernandez would be denied a Crew Chief position
3) Angel Hernandez was subject to discipline that non-minority umpires of equal or greater “transgressions” were not subject to
1) On multiple occasions Angel Hernandez was recommended by supervisors to work the World Series only to be overruled by MLB brass
2) A non-minority Umpire who did want to apply for Crew Chief because he felt that Wally Bell and Angel Hernandez were more deserving was pressured into applying just so Angel Hernandez would be denied a Crew Chief position
3) Angel Hernandez was subject to discipline that non-minority umpires of equal or greater “transgressions” were not subject to
This looks you’re Angel Hernandez’ attorney. Or brother. What the hell does any of this prove? Where’s the proof?
In case you haven’t been watching (the rest of the world has) Hernandez is awful at his job and regularly escalates situations needlessly, that other umpires don’t. That is a huge part of his job whether you believe it or not. He’s actually incredibly incompetent at his job. In all aspects.
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However, what has come out so far from the lawsuit indicates, among other things:
1) On multiple occasions Angel Hernandez was recommended by supervisors to work the World Series only to be overruled by MLB brass
2) A non-minority Umpire who did want to apply for Crew Chief because he felt that Wally Bell and Angel Hernandez were more deserving was pressured into applying just so Angel Hernandez would be denied a Crew Chief position
3) Angel Hernandez was subject to discipline that non-minority umpires of equal or greater “transgressions” were not subject to
This looks you’re Angel Hernandez’ attorney. Or brother. What the hell does any of this prove? Where’s the proof?
In case you haven’t been watching (the rest of the world has) Hernandez is awful at his job and regularly escalates situations needlessly, that other umpires don’t. That is a huge part of his job whether you believe it or not. He’s actually incredibly incompetent at his job. In all aspects.
I am neither. If you really want to see an umpire who meets your criteria look no further than Jerry Meals.
Angel Hernandez at one time was a hothead who needlessly escalated situations, but working with Ted Barrett as his Crew Chief he has calmed down considerably and I would say is average in that area. In terms of being overruled on replay he actually ranks above average in percentage of calls affirmed on replay. Balls and strikes I wish his strike zone on borderline pitches was more consistent, but in terms of the calls not within the margin of error of existing technology he actually is one of the better MLB umpires.
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In comment 14945260 Mike in NY said:
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However, what has come out so far from the lawsuit indicates, among other things:
1) On multiple occasions Angel Hernandez was recommended by supervisors to work the World Series only to be overruled by MLB brass
2) A non-minority Umpire who did want to apply for Crew Chief because he felt that Wally Bell and Angel Hernandez were more deserving was pressured into applying just so Angel Hernandez would be denied a Crew Chief position
3) Angel Hernandez was subject to discipline that non-minority umpires of equal or greater “transgressions” were not subject to
This looks you’re Angel Hernandez’ attorney. Or brother. What the hell does any of this prove? Where’s the proof?
In case you haven’t been watching (the rest of the world has) Hernandez is awful at his job and regularly escalates situations needlessly, that other umpires don’t. That is a huge part of his job whether you believe it or not. He’s actually incredibly incompetent at his job. In all aspects.
I am neither. If you really want to see an umpire who meets your criteria look no further than Jerry Meals.
Angel Hernandez at one time was a hothead who needlessly escalated situations, but working with Ted Barrett as his Crew Chief he has calmed down considerably and I would say is average in that area. In terms of being overruled on replay he actually ranks above average in percentage of calls affirmed on replay. Balls and strikes I wish his strike zone on borderline pitches was more consistent, but in terms of the calls not within the margin of error of existing technology he actually is one of the better MLB umpires.
Holy shit. There is no way in hell you don’t have some kind of vested interest in Angel Hernandez. I’m not sure what your association with him is, but tell him he absolutely sucks at his job. Playing the race card is a bit h move. Tell him it’s about time his useless ass hold himself accountable and stop blaming others. If your friend was such an outstanding umpire, where is all his support from the league? The players all UNIVERSALLY despise the prick.
Joe West is pretty bad too. They can go together.
Ordinarily, that relevance would be enough. But Hernandez asked the court to quash the subpoena on the basis of something called the “labor relations privilege” (which Hernandez’s lawyer, probably incorrectly, calls the “union relations privilege.”)
Why would Hernandez want the subpoena squashed? Because MLB's assessments showed that Hernandez was annually among the worst at actually doing the thing he's trying to keep: His job
Out of the 76 full time umps, Hernandez was ranked 68th. That isn't good. In fact, the whole reason Torre wanted Hernandez out (as well as other umps) is because he was trying to make umps accountable.
Hernandez has had three of his four calls reversed in a 2018 ALDS game(no other umpire has had more than 2 calls reversed in any game), he has ejected a player from a Spring Training game, and is routinely the fodder for the jokes of tweeters due to his particular reputation for an awful strike zone.
Detroit Tigers second baseman Ian Kinsler went so far to say in 2017 that Hernandez “needs to find another job, he really does.”
Six years earlier, a Sports Illustrated poll revealed that players rated Hernandez as the third-worst umpire in the majors, yet he kept his job season after season.
Fourteen of the 18 appeals on calls Hernandez made at first base from 2016-18 resulted in his decisions being overturned, as were three of his four rulings in the 2018 American League playoffs.
Said retired pitcher Pedro Martinez, who was doing analysis for TBS: “Angel was horrible. … Major League Baseball needs to do something about Angel. It doesn’t matter how many times he sues Major League Baseball. He’s as bad as there is.”
Hernandez has worked three MLB All-Star Games, 10 divisional playoff series, seven League Championship Series, and two World Series. However, he has been passed over for the World Series every year since 2005.
Said New York Yankees pitcher C.C. Sabathia:
“I don’t think Angel Hernandez should be umping playoff games. He’s absolutely terrible. He was terrible behind the plate today. He was terrible at first base. It’s amazing how he’s getting a job umpiring in these playoff games.”
1) On multiple occasions Angel Hernandez was recommended by supervisors to work the World Series only to be overruled by MLB brass
2) A non-minority Umpire who did want to apply for Crew Chief because he felt that Wally Bell and Angel Hernandez were more deserving was pressured into applying just so Angel Hernandez would be denied a Crew Chief position
3) Angel Hernandez was subject to discipline that non-minority umpires of equal or greater “transgressions” were not subject to
Haha. Only BBI. I don’t know much about Angel Hernandez - I do know you’re paid to know or argue this. No other reason. No one has that much free time on their hands.
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Umpires make numerous split-second decisions in games and are frequently second-guessed over a fraction of those calls. However, Angel Hernandez has come in for more criticism than most. In fact, the way players have called him out in recent years is highly unusual.
Detroit Tigers second baseman Ian Kinsler went so far to say in 2017 that Hernandez “needs to find another job, he really does.”
Six years earlier, a Sports Illustrated poll revealed that players rated Hernandez as the third-worst umpire in the majors, yet he kept his job season after season.
Fourteen of the 18 appeals on calls Hernandez made at first base from 2016-18 resulted in his decisions being overturned, as were three of his four rulings in the 2018 American League playoffs.
Said retired pitcher Pedro Martinez, who was doing analysis for TBS: “Angel was horrible. … Major League Baseball needs to do something about Angel. It doesn’t matter how many times he sues Major League Baseball. He’s as bad as there is.”
Hernandez has worked three MLB All-Star Games, 10 divisional playoff series, seven League Championship Series, and two World Series. However, he has been passed over for the World Series every year since 2005.
Said New York Yankees pitcher C.C. Sabathia:
“I don’t think Angel Hernandez should be umping playoff games. He’s absolutely terrible. He was terrible behind the plate today. He was terrible at first base. It’s amazing how he’s getting a job umpiring in these playoff games.”
That pretty much blows up his discrimination argument
[quote]MLB’s subpoena wanted, in essence, Angel Hernandez’s personnel records from the union – things like performance reviews, strike zone ratings, postseason assignment considerations, grievances, and considerations for promotions. MLB also wanted all communications between Hernandez and the union concerning those topics. And if you’re wondering whether MLB had some of those documents already, the answer is yes. What MLB is really after here is twofold: first, to see what the union’s own internal evaluations of Hernandez were, and second, to see if Hernandez made a paper trail with the union about the discrimination he’s alleging. And there’s no doubt that, at least facially, these requested documents are relevant; what the Major League Baseball Umpire’s Association thinks of Hernandez’s performance, and whether he reported the discrimination to the union, are facts undeniably pertinent to the league’s defense of the lawsuit.
Ordinarily, that relevance would be enough. But Hernandez asked the court to quash the subpoena on the basis of something called the “labor relations privilege” (which Hernandez’s lawyer, probably incorrectly, calls the “union relations privilege.”)
Why would Hernandez want the subpoena squashed? Because MLB's assessments showed that Hernandez was annually among the worst at actually doing the thing he's trying to keep: His job[/quote
I practice administrative law in the labor relations field and have never run into an instance where a party has subpoenaed communications between a grievant and a union representative.
I did some quick research and saw that the Alaska Supreme Court has recognized the labor relations privilege but did not find anything substantive after that.
Do you know of any other case law on this that occurred more recently than 2013?
MLB already had its own evaluations to show that hernandez was near the bottom of his peers, but Hernandez was trying to say those assessments were biased. MLB looked to get the umpire's association ratings to corroborate that Hernandez is indeed a terrible ump
MLB already had its own evaluations to show that hernandez was near the bottom of his peers, but Hernandez was trying to say those assessments were biased. MLB looked to get the umpire's association ratings to corroborate that Hernandez is indeed a terrible ump
I think that there used to be a time when people just believed what their own eyes, brain, and every living human being around them, told them.
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actually produced his assessments during the lawsuit and they were not favorable:
[quote]MLB’s subpoena wanted, in essence, Angel Hernandez’s personnel records from the union – things like performance reviews, strike zone ratings, postseason assignment considerations, grievances, and considerations for promotions. MLB also wanted all communications between Hernandez and the union concerning those topics. And if you’re wondering whether MLB had some of those documents already, the answer is yes. What MLB is really after here is twofold: first, to see what the union’s own internal evaluations of Hernandez were, and second, to see if Hernandez made a paper trail with the union about the discrimination he’s alleging. And there’s no doubt that, at least facially, these requested documents are relevant; what the Major League Baseball Umpire’s Association thinks of Hernandez’s performance, and whether he reported the discrimination to the union, are facts undeniably pertinent to the league’s defense of the lawsuit.
Ordinarily, that relevance would be enough. But Hernandez asked the court to quash the subpoena on the basis of something called the “labor relations privilege” (which Hernandez’s lawyer, probably incorrectly, calls the “union relations privilege.”)
Why would Hernandez want the subpoena squashed? Because MLB's assessments showed that Hernandez was annually among the worst at actually doing the thing he's trying to keep: His job[/quote
I practice administrative law in the labor relations field and have never run into an instance where a party has subpoenaed communications between a grievant and a union representative.
I did some quick research and saw that the Alaska Supreme Court has recognized the labor relations privilege but did not find anything substantive after that.
Do you know of any other case law on this that occurred more recently than 2013?
$20 says the union does not want to submit this to prevent a precedent being set. Once this is done, the owners would be able to subpoena evals when the wanted them. If his evals from the union were good, they would find a way to present them without setting a precedent.
Holy hell, I'm honestly stunned someone with two eyes and a brain can actually think he is, and then post to defend him taboot!
Either we have a big time troll job or someone closely associated with him because any fan of the game couldn't possibly think Hernandez is anything but incompetent. Hell the guy had three out of four calls overturned in one game, and a Nationally televised playoff game at that!
Haha, oops.
I knew that and can't believe I wrote Scully! Thanks for the correction, and I feel a bit like Hernandez now getting overturned.
At least Bob Davidson is long gone.
I miss Doug Harvey
and frankly the umps are so bad and inconsistent calling balls and strikes they should go to an automated virtual system and be done with it.