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jeff57 : 8/7/2020 12:32 pm
4 counts of robbery.
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what a knuckleheaed  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/7/2020 3:44 pm : link
not a Giant
God I miss Mark Collins and Perry Williams
I am imagining that the Giants and the NFL are deep into  
81_Great_Dane : 8/7/2020 3:58 pm : link
their own investigation, and at least getting tons of confidential intel not available to the public.

But over 50 years as a Giants fan, I've learned that while we want to picture the organization as efficient, on top of things, and well-run, it more often behaves like a hidebound mom-and-pop shop. Sometimes they transcend that when they are forced to, like when they put George Young in charge and brought in Ray Perkins. And sometimes they get lucky, like when they didn't get Howard Schnellenberger and so had to keep Bill Parcells. But most of the time, they're not really that effective. So I doubt they have found out much.

NFL Security, on the other hand? I suspect they're about one step short of the FBI in terms of finding shit out.
RE: Hey everyone...the Baker saga is basically over.....  
christian : 8/7/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14945608 No Where Man said:
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All GMs make mistakes. But for all of the mistakes combined that DG made in your eyes, what supercedes that is his gutsy call to draft DJ. You cannot discount that.


While choosing Jones has so far shown to be a positive for the Giants, what that has to do with Baker getting charged is what now?
Frankly, there is only ONE thing  
Dave on the UWS : 8/7/2020 4:08 pm : link
DG HAD to get right- Eli’s successor! If Jones is the goods, then amy other screw up is relatively unimportant.
RE: But, but, but  
joeinpa : 8/7/2020 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14945549 Stan in LA said:
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Lets wait until all the facts are in, right?


Actually waiting for the facts before making most decisions is a good policy to follow. Surely you re not suggesting it s bad policy when someone has been accused of a serious crime.

I get where you re coming from,
RE: what a knuckleheaed  
Milton : 8/7/2020 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14945623 Paulie Walnuts said:
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not a Giant
God I miss Mark Collins and Perry Williams
Well, I'm not sure those two belong in the same sentence. Perry Williams was a high character guy with blazing speed and played a role on two Super Bowl champion teams, but they didn't call him "Toast" for nothing.
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 8/7/2020 4:41 pm : link
It's normal for a lawyer to gripe about his case for all to see on instagram, right?

What a shit show.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2020 4:43 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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DeAndre Baker has withdrawn his appeal of the NFL's decision to place him on the Commissioner's exempt list, according to his attorney. ... With charges now filed against him, being on paid leave is probably the safest place for him to be in the NFL at the moment.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out...  
Milton : 8/7/2020 4:45 pm : link
With all the attention the case has received the DA's office may have felt cornered into moving ahead with a prosecution despite being short on enough evidence to get a conviction. I would not at all be surprised to see this pled down to some kind of suspended sentence or a sentence that would have him a free man by next year's training camp.

At the very least, this pretty much assures him of some kind of NFL suspension and frees the Giants of the remaining guaranteed dollars on his rookie deal.
RE: Hey everyone...the Baker saga is basically over.....  
LBH15 : 8/7/2020 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14945608 No Where Man said:
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All GMs make mistakes. But for all of the mistakes combined that DG made in your eyes, what supercedes that is his gutsy call to draft DJ. You cannot discount that.


Irrelevant. And even if it wasn’t, this is a silly way to judge things.
Ok someone got to his Wikipedia  
Route 9 : 8/7/2020 5:22 pm : link
Deandre Lamar Baker (born September 4, 1997) is an armed American football bank robber for the Miami Police Department of the National Football League.
RE: RE: what a knuckleheaed  
Carson53 : 8/7/2020 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14945653 Milton said:
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In comment 14945623 Paulie Walnuts said:


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not a Giant
God I miss Mark Collins and Perry Williams

Well, I'm not sure those two belong in the same sentence. Perry Williams was a high character guy with blazing speed and played a role on two Super Bowl champion teams, but they didn't call him "Toast" for nothing.
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I think you have him confused with Elvis Patterson,
the epitome of "Toast".
RE: ...  
Carson53 : 8/7/2020 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14945656 Eric from BBI said:
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Ralph Vacchiano
@RVacchianoSNY
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DeAndre Baker has withdrawn his appeal of the NFL's decision to place him on the Commissioner's exempt list, according to his attorney. ... With charges now filed against him, being on paid leave is probably the safest place for him to be in the NFL at the moment.
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I recall his lawyer (Patel), saying this case would be
dropped, yeah okay. I'll tell you who should be dropped,
Baker from the Giants! Even though he is on the
Exempt List, just move on already.
The funny thing here, the Prosecution didn't pursue charges against Quinton Dunbar.
RE: RE: RE: what a knuckleheaed  
Milton : 8/7/2020 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14945673 Carson53 said:
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not a Giant
God I miss Mark Collins and Perry Williams

Well, I'm not sure those two belong in the same sentence. Perry Williams was a high character guy with blazing speed and played a role on two Super Bowl champion teams, but they didn't call him "Toast" for nothing.

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I think you have him confused with Elvis Patterson,
the epitome of "Toast".
You're right, my bad!
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But, but, but  
fkap : 8/7/2020 5:34 pm : link
let's wait til the verdict is in.

Not defending Baker in the least. His career has likely suffered a huge hit based on there being enough evidence to warrant a trial, but his guilt has not yet been determined. It's highly likely he did something stupid, leading to prosecution, but that doesn't mean that stupidity rises to guilt of charges.
RE: But, but, but  
Fritz : 8/7/2020 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14945549 Stan in LA said:
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Lets wait until all the facts are in, right?


Yep, I m not a huge fan of Baker based on his performance so far but this whole case has been strange from the start. Although I doubt that he ever plays another down in a Giant uniform he’s still innocent until proven guilty.
RE: How Beal ops out is ridiculous  
Vanzetti : 8/7/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14945496 gtt350 said:
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you pass up a golden opportunity. He is the next out the door


In 3 seasons, Beal missed 2.5 of them. Do you really need to know any more than that?

Wasted pick. Along with Baker
RE: RE: ...  
Milton : 8/7/2020 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14945678 Carson53 said:
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I'll tell you who should be dropped,
Baker from the Giants! Even though he is on the
Exempt List, just move on already.
I think they need to wait until the league suspends him if they want to avoid paying the guaranteed money remaining on his contract. I could be wrong about that. I was wrong about Perry Williams.
RE: RE: I think they picked  
Vanzetti : 8/7/2020 5:59 pm : link
In comment 14945553 Stan in LA said:
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Baker because he's so similar to Bradberry. Btw, this whole case seems nutty and not sure he won't beat it.


Not so nutty to me. Baker robbed several people at gunpoint, paid them off to change their story until the DA threatened to charge them for changing their story and they folded. And it looks like Dunbar may have flipped as well to avoid prosecution. Pretty simple actually.


Pretty straightforward. But people want to make excuses because he is a Giant
The usual suspects  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/7/2020 6:26 pm : link
just run shit into the ground, and will not let it go.

Japanhead is like the guy you went to high school with that loves to remind you of something dumb you did 20 years ago and manages to shoehorn it into any conversation.
I'll say it. Not buying it.  
BillT : 8/7/2020 6:45 pm : link
The prosecutors screwed this up from the beginning and this is their attempt to save face. This way they can blame the jury and don't have to stand up and say they were duped. None of this story made the slightest sense from the beginning. Still doesn't.
I still think  
TrueBlue56 : 8/7/2020 7:33 pm : link
The prosecution will have a hard time proving their case. You have witness part of a bribery scheme and supposed criminal history. Victims that have changed their story in sworn affadavits. Witnesses that haven't changed their story stating that baker didn't do what was alleged.

It is the burden of the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that baker committed these crimes. The defense doesn't have to prove innocence, just reasonable doubt that the alleged crimes never took place.

I am not a lawyer, but even I can create reasonable doubt.

If baker didn't do it, then it is very unfortunate that he has to go through all of this.
They just about had to prosecute  
Torrag : 8/7/2020 8:33 pm : link
Case seems weak but with all the pub it drew and as long as they dragged out the investigation there was a lot of pressure to move forward imo. If Baker's attorneys can't extract reasonable doubt from this mess they aren't worth their salt. In the end I think he may just beat the rap.

Still it's likely his season is over which ever way this thing goes. Doubtful he plays for us or anyone else for that matter.
All Over  
Percy : 8/7/2020 9:37 pm : link
Now for this guy.
RE: All Over  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2020 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14945852 Percy said:
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Now for this guy.


He's been convicted?
Dunbar's attorney: We wish Mr. Baker the best of luck  
shyster : 8/7/2020 11:18 pm : link
Don't get the vibe that Dunbar has flipped and will be called by the prosecution as an adverse witness against Baker.

Also don't get the vibe that Dunbar's attorney has any intention of offering his client as a favorable witness for Baker.

Message is: "We're out of this; call us at your risk."

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RE: They just about had to prosecute  
HomerJones45 : 8/7/2020 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14945801 Torrag said:
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Case seems weak but with all the pub it drew and as long as they dragged out the investigation there was a lot of pressure to move forward imo. If Baker's attorneys can't extract reasonable doubt from this mess they aren't worth their salt. In the end I think he may just beat the rap.

Still it's likely his season is over which ever way this thing goes. Doubtful he plays for us or anyone else for that matter.
You assume it is going to trial. Here is Baker's problem- the case may be weak but there is no sure thing in a trial, it will cost 6 figures for his attorneys and if he rolls the dice and loses, it's 10 years minimum. Let's see what he gets for a plea deal but this is shaping up as a Plaxico situation.
RE: I'll say it. Not buying it.  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/7/2020 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14945720 BillT said:
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The prosecutors screwed this up from the beginning and this is their attempt to save face. This way they can blame the jury and don't have to stand up and say they were duped. None of this story made the slightest sense from the beginning. Still doesn't.


But you left one thing out. In all likelihood, Dunbar rolled on Baker, under pressure from the prosecutors, to get off Scott free.

In the hands of good attorneys, that's not exactly the greatest evidence or witness for the prosecution IMHO.
RE: RE: How..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2020 11:52 pm : link
In comment 14945550 LBH15 said:
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did I not see it coming that Gettleman would take the brunt of the blame here?



The brunt? One guy on the thread blaming Gettleman.

Just defend him and you'll cancel each other out.


You are about as good at math as you are keeping a handle, Googs.

japanhead, M.S and giantsfan84 is a little more than 1 poster.

But then again, truthfulness isn't a strong suit of yours. Not Googs, right?
It’s not gettlemans fault  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/8/2020 12:11 am : link
Baker did this (allegedly) to himself. But at some point when you continue to preach culture and guys get arrested and the product on the field is a joke the buck stops with you. Gettleman and us fans need to be on our knees praying that Jones plays up to what we saw last year because that’s the only thing keeping us from being the NFC browns for the foreseeable future
RE: RE: RE: Bradford Cohen responds via Instagram and Ralph V  
Ned In Atlanta : 8/8/2020 12:20 am : link
In comment 14945589 shyster said:
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Nice spelling by the lawyer. "prosecutuon" "case filier"




And hashtag "#judtice for some."

But he's got his more formal statement upcoming to clean up his spelling.

Giants probably won't cut Baker right away, but that doesn't mean they haven't written him off and won't now be angling to void his contract.


How do the Giants let Baker hire an attorney who can’t spell to defend himself of felony charges is a better question. They never saw Ray Donovan
RE: RE: RE: How..  
LBH15 : 8/8/2020 6:53 am : link
In comment 14945908 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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did I not see it coming that Gettleman would take the brunt of the blame here?



The brunt? One guy on the thread blaming Gettleman.

Just defend him and you'll cancel each other out.



You are about as good at math as you are keeping a handle, Googs.

japanhead, M.S and giantsfan84 is a little more than 1 poster.

But then again, truthfulness isn't a strong suit of yours. Not Googs, right?


Right.

And they weren’t blaming DG for what Baker did, just the pick. Reading must not be your strong suit. Are you able to get thru threads where DG is being criticized, fairly or unfairly, or is it too personal?
Why can't Dave  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/8/2020 7:20 am : link
be seen as doing a pretty good job overall and being held accountable for picks not working out?

There was a pressing need for corners. Unfortunately Dave may have been influenced too much by Bettcher who was the one who really liked Beal and Baker from what I had read.
All I know is this is not straight forward  
UberAlias : 8/8/2020 7:23 am : link
Whatever happened here. Can’t trust anyone involved. You get the idea no one is innocent.
FMiC  
M.S. : 8/8/2020 7:40 am : link

I've posted not less than a dozen times that I believe Gettleman has done more good than harm as Giants GM.

But just like his bone-head signing of Solder, he owns trading up into Round One for DeAndre Baker.
RE: Why can't Dave  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/8/2020 8:01 am : link
In comment 14945933 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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be seen as doing a pretty good job overall and being held accountable for picks not working out?

There was a pressing need for corners. Unfortunately Dave may have been influenced too much by Bettcher who was the one who really liked Beal and Baker from what I had read.


Your point re Gettleman is valid of course, but the DG haters see Baker as perhaps the last straw on the 🐪's back. It's easy to ignore Slayton and Connelly and Jones etc for them, and they still argue Saquon's selection was a poor allocation of resource.

But I fail to follow your arrow to Bettcher. Even if Bettcher was hot to trot for true man cover corners, Baker's (or Beal's, FTM) cover ability isn't the real issue. Baker won the coveted Thorpe Trophy as CFB's best DB, and if you listen to UGA media people talk about him, they say he's the best CB ever to have played at UGA!

You can't blame Bettcher for wanting those guys in the draft.

For Baker, the real blame of not digging into his personality and passing on him until some later round if at all lies on the SEC area scout. Those are the folks that are supposed to dig into the background of each player. DG is responsible for the ineptitude and laziness of the scout for the wide miss, and in any case the scout has since been fired.

Should DG have dug into Baker's character himself as a 1st round selection? Probably yes, but a GM has far more on his plate than individual players' psychological profile.

Not excusing DG here, but there's a limit to his fault in this, and even less so to Bettcher's culpability.

IMO.
Blue Lou  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/8/2020 8:25 am : link
Fair points. Just a big hunch but I think Bettcher really pounded the table for Baker as he saw corner as a big need. Dave historically was not known to trade up so I wonder if the Bettcher influence pressed him a bit.

Regarding selection of players overall I am certain that Psychological assessments are a big part of it as it should be. This is true in many professions.
Baker was a 1st round pick, but barely ... so it looks like the Giants  
Spider56 : 8/8/2020 8:27 am : link
hit big on their first 2 guys then took a flyer (on the best rated CB in the draft) and missed ... would the noise have been any less if they took him in the 2nd round ? ... btw, 2 other highly touted 2nd round guys were cut by teams yesterday ... shit happens and the draft involves its share of luck and good fortune... but if continuously blasting DG is your thing, so be it ... stupid is as stupid does.
Shortly after the first round Cynthia Frelund,  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/8/2020 8:57 am : link
ESPN's analytics chick, cited Baker as one of the best value picks (matching talent and production to team needs) in the first round and maybe the whole draft.

So the notion that Baker's work ethic issues were well known is BS.

But some folks knew...

Glad the Giants now have a coaching staff with lots of strong and close links to CFB. That may be a big factor in righting the ship, overall.
who knows?  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/8/2020 9:08 am : link
not a lot of choir boys on the other side of this whole thing. Best case is he is out for this season. Worst case (?) is he is gone and the Giants have another draft priority again (which they might have anyway).

The people that aren't fans of the GM are going to continue to blame him. Those that think he is pretty good (though not perfect), aren't. Not sure anyone's mind is going to be changed because it isn't really about this.
RE: RE: I'll say it. Not buying it.  
BillT : 8/8/2020 9:17 am : link
In comment 14945904 BlueLou'sBack said:
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The prosecutors screwed this up from the beginning and this is their attempt to save face. This way they can blame the jury and don't have to stand up and say they were duped. None of this story made the slightest sense from the beginning. Still doesn't.



But you left one thing out. In all likelihood, Dunbar rolled on Baker, under pressure from the prosecutors, to get off Scott free.

In the hands of good attorneys, that's not exactly the greatest evidence or witness for the prosecution IMHO.

Not only Dunbar but the original accusers are highly questionable as well. But for me it’s the entire story that’s fishy. Makes little sense on a number of levels.
The other side of Baker ...  
Spider56 : 8/8/2020 9:18 am : link
I’m not defending the guy if he actually did what he’s charged with but something doesn’t add up here ... and if it does, it makes the whole scenario all the more sad.
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I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!  
Marty in Albany : 8/8/2020 9:36 am : link
He may be a professional football player, but he's an amateur criminal.

I'd be surprised if he didn't give the prosecutors all the evidence they needed with his tweets and loose lips. I'd also be surprised if he doesn't plead guilty to lesser charges.

If he were my teammate, I wouldn't keep my wallet in my locker and I'd want the Giants to install surveillance cameras.
The way he has played  
XBRONX : 8/8/2020 9:56 am : link
during the vior dire, if the prosecutor asks if you are a Giants fan,if you say yes,you are on the jury.(run on sentence)
RE: I still think  
FStubbs : 8/8/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14945754 TrueBlue56 said:
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The prosecution will have a hard time proving their case. You have witness part of a bribery scheme and supposed criminal history. Victims that have changed their story in sworn affadavits. Witnesses that haven't changed their story stating that baker didn't do what was alleged.

It is the burden of the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that baker committed these crimes. The defense doesn't have to prove innocence, just reasonable doubt that the alleged crimes never took place.

I am not a lawyer, but even I can create reasonable doubt.

If baker didn't do it, then it is very unfortunate that he has to go through all of this.


Technically true, but depends on the jury. Get the wrong jury and Baker will have to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt.
RE: RE: I still think  
Milton : 8/8/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 14945999 FStubbs said:
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Technically true, but depends on the jury. Get the wrong jury and Baker will have to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt.
You only get the wrong jury if you already have the wrong lawyer. A good lawyer will make sure there are jurors who are sure to favor acquittal. A couple years ago I was under consideration as a juror on a gang-related murder trial and as liberal minded as I am, it was the defense attorney who de-selected me, not the prosecuting attorney. Maybe it was just the flirting that went on between me and the very attractive prosecutor when she was questioning me.
Baker being prosecuted  
SteveMD : 8/8/2020 3:20 pm : link
As a great American has said n"Stupid is as stupid does"
What gets me about this is how someone making the money he's making  
Ira : 8/8/2020 3:47 pm : link
would be motivated to something so stupid.
RE: Eric - Dunbar didn't do anything  
Optimus-NY : 8/8/2020 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14945517 bc4life said:
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that amounted to criminal conduct.

Example: Baker & Dunbar, both at game. Baker gets pissed starts robbing patrons - Dunbar says thing that may be supportive of Baker, but his actions fall short of the steps needed for the robbery.


Agreed. He needs to pay for it.
RE: RE: what a knuckleheaed  
Ralph.C : 8/8/2020 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14945653 Milton said:
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not a Giant
God I miss Mark Collins and Perry Williams

Well, I'm not sure those two belong in the same sentence. Perry Williams was a high character guy with blazing speed and played a role on two Super Bowl champion teams, but they didn't call him "Toast" for nothing.


They didn’t call him “Toast” at all. That was Elvis Patterson.
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