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jeff57 : 8/7/2020 12:32 pm
4 counts of robbery.
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Well...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/7/2020 12:34 pm : link
Yikes. Adios.

And what a waste.
Dunbar not charged  
jeff57 : 8/7/2020 12:35 pm : link
Insufficient evidence.
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This mess...  
Chris in Philly : 8/7/2020 12:35 pm : link
is going to make a hell of a Law & Order episode.
Add CB to the shopping list next spring..  
The_Boss : 8/7/2020 12:44 pm : link
Again
Just  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2020 12:45 pm : link
a weird, weird case.
Eric  
bc4life : 8/7/2020 12:50 pm : link
I wonder if after whatever happened got started - Dunbar just chimed in to "support his boy"? Maybe everything that mattered, had already happened?

Big red flag - Baker does not call him as a witness.
How Beal ops out is ridiculous  
gtt350 : 8/7/2020 12:50 pm : link
you pass up a golden opportunity. He is the next out the door
RE: How Beal ops out is ridiculous  
GiantsFan84 : 8/7/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14945496 gtt350 said:
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you pass up a golden opportunity. He is the next out the door


I'm torn on that. Like I can't blame him for opting out, I don't know his reasons.

But how do you pass up this kind of opportunity. All he had to do is beat out Corey Ballentine and he was going to start at CB and potentially make himself millions upon millions if he played well. I don't know how you pass that up, and as an organization it would really rub me the wrong way, which I know isn't fair because he has every right to opt out, but man I don't know how he chose to opt out
sidebar  
GiantsFan84 : 8/7/2020 12:56 pm : link
fuck baker. i've said this numerous times. he showed me everything i needed to see last year when he lacked effort on the field and fell asleep in meetings. this guy is a loser and a cancer and they can't be rid of him soon enough.

hopefully they can recoup a lot of his bonus money for cap purposes.
if there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2020 1:01 pm : link
was a crime, how does Baker get charged and Dunbar doesn't?
How?  
Carl in CT : 8/7/2020 1:02 pm : link
Cause his friend probably flipped to not get charged.
Baker...  
OliverG84 : 8/7/2020 1:02 pm : link
Just deleted his Instagram account. Was just looking at 10 minutes ago - now gone.
RE: if there  
GiantsFan84 : 8/7/2020 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14945506 Eric from BBI said:
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was a crime, how does Baker get charged and Dunbar doesn't?


maybe baker was the instigator and they flipped dunbar to testify in exchange for immunity?
This whole Baker incident is just crazy?!  
Simms11 : 8/7/2020 1:03 pm : link
WTF was he thinking? Young kid who has shown absolutely no maturity. Just when you thought the CB position was becoming a solid piece of the Defense, it’s now lacking any quality depth. We don’t really know what we have in Ballentine and who is he now competing with, Love, Askew-Henry?
like beal, another gettleman whiff,  
japanhead : 8/7/2020 1:04 pm : link
but this time one he traded multiple picks to move up for.

gettleman has overseen a rebuild of what might currently be the worst defense in the league (easily the worst in the division), perilously thin at every position except DT.
Eric - Dunbar didn't do anything  
bc4life : 8/7/2020 1:04 pm : link
that amounted to criminal conduct.

Example: Baker & Dunbar, both at game. Baker gets pissed starts robbing patrons - Dunbar says thing that may be supportive of Baker, but his actions fall short of the steps needed for the robbery.
Carl in CT  
bc4life : 8/7/2020 1:06 pm : link
Yes - the "eatin cheese" factor is another possibility
i guess it isn't over until it's over  
ryanmkeane : 8/7/2020 1:07 pm : link
but this obviously isn't great news for Baker's career (and life). Too bad.
japanhead  
bc4life : 8/7/2020 1:07 pm : link
unless there is off the field stuff indicating this type of behavior, hard to blame this on Gettleman.
So glad Gettleman  
M.S. : 8/7/2020 1:08 pm : link

Traded back up into the first round for this guy.

He  
AcidTest : 8/7/2020 1:09 pm : link
could still obviously be acquitted, but this is definitely a bad development, especially given the seriousness of the charges. He won't play this season, but still might for the Giants if he's acquitted.

We don't know why Beal opted out. No fault to him for doing so. He may have a family member who is immunocompromised or has an underlying medical condition that would likely exacerbate COVID - 19. His contract also gets extended for another year.
RE: japanhead  
japanhead : 8/7/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14945520 bc4life said:
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unless there is off the field stuff indicating this type of behavior, hard to blame this on Gettleman.


he traded multiple picks to move up into the first round to draft a player with notable work ethic issues, who is well on his way to becoming a convicted felon.

he also burned a 3rd rounder to draft perpetually injured sam beal in the supplemental.

slice it any way you want, gettleman's overseen the construction of a defense that's bottom of the league and looks to be getting worse.
AcidTest  
bc4life : 8/7/2020 1:14 pm : link
I was hopeful, but if there was no case or even if it was weak case - I think they'd have dropped it or offered a sweet plea deal. I'm thinking it's probably only a matter of time before he's cut
japanhead  
bc4life : 8/7/2020 1:17 pm : link
one can question whether his on the field performance warranted DG's draft day trades. But, knowing your first rounder is going to commit multiple armed robberies - unless there was evidence of this type of behavior - can't fault DG for that.

I don't share your pessimistic view of this defense. They're rebuilding and have made some smart moves, and a few that were questionable
RE: RE: japanhead  
GiantsFan84 : 8/7/2020 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14945527 japanhead said:
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In comment 14945520 bc4life said:


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unless there is off the field stuff indicating this type of behavior, hard to blame this on Gettleman.



he traded multiple picks to move up into the first round to draft a player with notable work ethic issues, who is well on his way to becoming a convicted felon.

he also burned a 3rd rounder to draft perpetually injured sam beal in the supplemental.

slice it any way you want, gettleman's overseen the construction of a defense that's bottom of the league and looks to be getting worse.


don't forget the burned 3rd and 5th rounders for LW
Logan Ryan  
XBRONX : 8/7/2020 1:25 pm : link
on speed dial.
Baker is probably done  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/7/2020 1:25 pm : link
Dave takes responsibility but I think Bettcher heavily influenced both the Beal and Baker picks. Let's hope the young pups step up.
bc4life- plz let me know the smart moves you're talking about  
japanhead : 8/7/2020 1:26 pm : link
here is what i see:

trading multiple picks for ogletree- whiff
trading multiple picks for leonard williams- whiff
trading multiple picks to draft baker- whiff
blowing a 3rd to draft beal in the supplemental- whiff
getting zero return for jenkins- whiff

not re-signing collins and getting peppers for cheap in the OBJ trade and playing the waiting game with golden are about the only moves i see that could be construed as 'smart.'

still can't see how it's anything other than a bottom three defense in the NFL from a talent standpoint.
How..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/7/2020 1:26 pm : link
did I not see it coming that Gettleman would take the brunt of the blame here?
Who knew...  
Johnny5 : 8/7/2020 1:29 pm : link
… This would turn into a Dave G bashing thread by the usual suspects? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!!


lol
DG Can't Foresee Armed Robery...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/7/2020 1:35 pm : link
That's a given.

But didn't we hear that Georgia coaches suggested that sometimes they had to light a fire under Baker's ass?

If that's true AND the Giants knew about it pre-draft, then you could certainly question DG for the pick.

I think they picked  
Phil in LA : 8/7/2020 1:41 pm : link
Baker because he's so similar to Bradberry. Btw, this whole case seems nutty and not sure he won't beat it.
Japanhead ... You think like a  
Spider56 : 8/7/2020 1:43 pm : link
Dickhead
But, but, but  
Stan in LA : 8/7/2020 1:48 pm : link
Lets wait until all the facts are in, right?
RE: How..  
LBH15 : 8/7/2020 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14945538 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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did I not see it coming that Gettleman would take the brunt of the blame here?


The brunt? One guy on the thread blaming Gettleman.

Just defend him and you'll cancel each other out.
regarding Dunbar...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/7/2020 1:50 pm : link
I hear you guys, but if you recall, the police reports after the incident said the get-away car(s) were stationed in advance and that Dunbar was an accomplice.

So either he flipped, as some are saying, or something does't add up.

I'm not trying to sound like an apologist here, but the whole case doesn't add up to me. Why would a 1st-round draft pick rob people of $750,000 of jewelry at a dice game? This sounds more like a set-up/shakedown to me.
RE: I think they picked  
Stan in LA : 8/7/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14945546 Phil in LA said:
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Baker because he's so similar to Bradberry. Btw, this whole case seems nutty and not sure he won't beat it.

Not so nutty to me. Baker robbed several people at gunpoint, paid them off to change their story until the DA threatened to charge them for changing their story and they folded. And it looks like Dunbar may have flipped as well to avoid prosecution. Pretty simple actually.
RE: How..  
jeff57 : 8/7/2020 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14945538 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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did I not see it coming that Gettleman would take the brunt of the blame here?


Why shouldn’t he? Or at least a share,
RE: japanhead  
Brown_Hornet : 8/7/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14945530 bc4life said:
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one can question whether his on the field performance warranted DG's draft day trades. But, knowing your first rounder is going to commit multiple armed robberies - unless there was evidence of this type of behavior - can't fault DG for that.

I don't share your pessimistic view of this defense. They're rebuilding and have made some smart moves, and a few that were questionable
+1
RE: Just  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/7/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14945492 Eric from BBI said:
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a weird, weird case.


More like such weird, weird lawyers.
RE: RE: I think they picked  
Stan in LA : 8/7/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14945553 Stan in LA said:
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In comment 14945546 Phil in LA said:


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Baker because he's so similar to Bradberry. Btw, this whole case seems nutty and not sure he won't beat it.


Not so nutty to me. Baker robbed several people at gunpoint, paid them off to change their story until the DA threatened to charge them for changing their story and they folded. And it looks like Dunbar may have flipped as well to avoid prosecution. Pretty simple actually.


Just to clarify, this is my speculation, who knows what actually happened.
.  
GiantEgo : 8/7/2020 2:06 pm : link
This entire thing is about as Florida as it gets. Expect more twists.
RE: regarding Dunbar...  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/7/2020 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14945552 Eric from BBI said:
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I hear you guys, but if you recall, the police reports after the incident said the get-away car(s) were stationed in advance and that Dunbar was an accomplice.

So either he flipped, as some are saying, or something does't add up.

I'm not trying to sound like an apologist here, but the whole case doesn't add up to me. Why would a 1st-round draft pick rob people of $750,000 of jewelry at a dice game? This sounds more like a set-up/shakedown to me.


Rich people that came from rough backgrounds get caught doing shit like this all the time.
RE: RE: regarding Dunbar...  
BillKo : 8/7/2020 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14945568 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 14945552 Eric from BBI said:


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I hear you guys, but if you recall, the police reports after the incident said the get-away car(s) were stationed in advance and that Dunbar was an accomplice.

So either he flipped, as some are saying, or something does't add up.

I'm not trying to sound like an apologist here, but the whole case doesn't add up to me. Why would a 1st-round draft pick rob people of $750,000 of jewelry at a dice game? This sounds more like a set-up/shakedown to me.



Rich people that came from rough backgrounds get caught doing shit like this all the time.


The reporting on this case has been awful.....
Bradford Cohen responds via Instagram and Ralph V  
shyster : 8/7/2020 2:10 pm : link
retweets. Cohen solicits voters to vote out the incumbent State Attorney.

And says he will have a more formal statement later.


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Obviously Gettlemant couldn't foresee this happening  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/7/2020 2:10 pm : link
...But I would think the Baker pick will be considered the Giants worst 1st Round pick ever.
RE: Obviously Gettlemant couldn't foresee this happening  
jeff57 : 8/7/2020 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14945574 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...But I would think the Baker pick will be considered the Giants worst 1st Round pick ever.


Still better than Rocky Thompson and Eldridge Small.
RE: Bradford Cohen responds via Instagram and Ralph V  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/7/2020 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14945571 shyster said:
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retweets. Cohen solicits voters to vote out the incumbent State Attorney.

And says he will have a more formal statement later.
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Nice spelling by the lawyer. "prosecutuon" "case filier"

oof- that lawyer's statement is cringeworthy  
japanhead : 8/7/2020 2:24 pm : link
baker would've had a better shot with david kleinfeld
Isn't the Giants best move to do nothing  
BigBlueNH : 8/7/2020 2:26 pm : link
til the charges are resolved? We're not paying him in the meantime. The case against him clearly has some problems and there's still a chance he could beat it, or plead to misdemeanors. If so, he gets one more chance next year to show this coaching staff he means business and, if not, cut him then. Ya, the situation sucks but i don't see what we gain by cutting him now.
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