NGT: Derrius Guice arrested on domestic violence charges

Guice looked like a good pick at the time, but like Baker blew his multi-million dollar career. Stupid twenty-year olds.

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...that was quick.

The next Jim Brown just became the next OJ Simpson. Amazing how these idiots throw away the golden ticket. Guise could have been their starter for the next 5+ years and make $50M.

In comment 14945736 GiantsFan84 said:

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Exactly - like their ‘sleeper’ OL pick from......LSU whose own coaches crapped on him. Charles.

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...that was quick.

No way they can keep anyone with a sniff of domestic violence after the Washington Post article.

There is a reason guys have red flags and drop.

Good for them, but as had as our off season has been with Rosas and Baker, Washington has topped us in negative activities.

for cutting him.

If someone falsely accused Eli Manning would you guys be happy the Giants released him before the facts came out? I remember Jay Bromley getting falsely accused years ago. Getting accused and getting arrested isn't the same as being guilty.

I gotta imagine Washington knows more about what transpired than the general public.

In comment 14945773 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I gotta imagine Washington knows more about what transpired than the general public.

Maybe, maybe not. That's an assumption. So, just blindly saying good for acting swiftly isn't the way to approach these situations.

But again, I gotta believe Washington had a pretty good idea what happened before deciding to cut him.

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On Washington acting swiftly and judiciously.

Of course, cutting him may be the right course of action. It’s just a shame due process doesn’t apply to the court of public opinion.

This is the NFL policy of Zero tolerance in domestic violence cases these guys better understand its better to run away because if not your career is all but done. This is not swift action this is a one on one with the player for sure are these charges correct, are you aware of our zero tolerance policy, we will get back in touch with you.

This procedure is common place now teams don’t want the egg on the face at all and it’s a very basic rule if you can’t control your emotions then we will just have to pass on your talent. I still can’t understand why the Giants are still smearing egg all over the teams face in the Baker situation it’s very simple one on one did you perform armed robbery if the answer is no the team makes that statement and gives the guy a chance to prove his innocence away from the team. If proven false later the team just makes another statement we were misled and as of today Mr. Baker is no longer a part of the Giants organization. That’s today’s NFL it’s cold but it’s reality you’ve been given a great opportunity but in some cases it’s Crystal clear Zero tolerance is the policy.

And every situation has to be evaluated on it's own merits. Guice was involved in 3 separate issues of domestic violence. Also, consider that the redskins are trying to clean up a very bad image problem especially with the sexual harassment allegations that came out.

The giants don't have egg on their face. The whole story with baker was strange from the beginning and continues to get stranger. You have victims recanting their stories in signed affadavits, you have a bribery scheme by the victims and witnesses giving statements that the allegations are not true. It is a lot of he said, he said.

Baker is not participating in any team activities and the giants are letting the legal process play out before deciding what to do.

It took Florida almost 3 months to charge baker, but its expected that the giants know what exactly took place that night and to take immediate action. What a joke

and is found to be innocent?

All we need to do to win the division is...
pay a few girls to accuse Dak, Zeke, Wentz and the others of some kind of crime and all of them would be cleared from the rosters for us.

I know that is extreme, but apparently all you need is an accusation.

I don't know that that's true. Some of these cases the information/evidence available to the teams is more accessible. Like someone else said - you have to take each case on its' own merits.

And fans? Due process is a legal term that applies to peoples freedoms. A football team is a private entity that can choose to release someone because the bring negative attention to the organization. They don’t owe him due process, even though I am sure they talked to him and gathered some facts before they just cut him.

This is a team that was just crushed for how it treated women like objects. Why would anyone think they would proceed cautiously and hold onto a guy with domestic abuse charges swirling around him?

Guide is still a free man and free to earn a living however he likes. The judicial system owes him due process, not the NFL or fans.

In comment 14945774 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14945773 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I gotta imagine Washington knows more about what transpired than the general public. Maybe, maybe not. That's an assumption. So, just blindly saying good for acting swiftly isn't the way to approach these situations.

They initially suspended him from team activities pending their investigation. They investigated and released him. Does not look good for DG. Guice rhymes w Rice.

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In comment 14945774 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 14945773 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I gotta imagine Washington knows more about what transpired than the general public. Maybe, maybe not. That's an assumption. So, just blindly saying good for acting swiftly isn't the way to approach these situations. They initially suspended him from team activities pending their investigation. They investigated and released him. Does not look good for DG. Guice rhymes w Rice.

And that is perfectly acceptable. My simple point was we shouldn't be applauding teams acting swiftly over trying to find the truth.

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and is found to be innocent? All we need to do to win the division is... pay a few girls to accuse Dak, Zeke, Wentz and the others of some kind of crime and all of them would be cleared from the rosters for us. I know that is extreme, but apparently all you need is an accusation.

going to be a long time before that happens. can't exactly convene a jury right now due to covid

is that Baker is a first round pick who is only one year into his guaranteed contract.

That makes the cap consequences of an immediate release of Baker very different from the release of Guice.

Giants are doing the prudent thing in letting the situation play out. And it's not just Gettleman's call. You can bet Mara and Abrams are involved as well.

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and is found to be innocent? All we need to do to win the division is... pay a few girls to accuse Dak, Zeke, Wentz and the others of some kind of crime and all of them would be cleared from the rosters for us. I know that is extreme, but apparently all you need is an accusation.

What makes you think Guice being charged with a felony was based only on an accusation?

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and is found to be innocent? All we need to do to win the division is... pay a few girls to accuse Dak, Zeke, Wentz and the others of some kind of crime and all of them would be cleared from the rosters for us. I know that is extreme, but apparently all you need is an accusation.

This is a silly post.

People are generally not found “innocent.” They are found not guilty. And being found not guilty of a crime does not mean the team should still not have released him. There is a reason OJ Simpson didn’t start doing commercials for major companies after he was acquitted of murder.

And generally people are not arrested based simply on a random accusation. I am sure it happens, but re needs to be some evidence to support that battery occurred and that the accused was the perp. Thinking random women calling out of the blue and accusing a person they have never met of batter would lead to all of them being arrested and subsequently cut from their teams is laughably absurd.

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But again, I gotta believe Washington had a pretty good idea what happened before deciding to cut him.

My guess( which is what it totally is) is this have them a reason to cut him. He’s been hurt and hardly shown he was anywhere near the steal he aS supposed to be. Adrian Peterson’s corpse was still getting carries over him wasnt he?

In comment 14946051 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 14945943 EricJ said: Quote: and is found to be innocent? All we need to do to win the division is... pay a few girls to accuse Dak, Zeke, Wentz and the others of some kind of crime and all of them would be cleared from the rosters for us. I know that is extreme, but apparently all you need is an accusation. This is a silly post. People are generally not found “innocent.” They are found not guilty. And being found not guilty of a crime does not mean the team should still not have released him. There is a reason OJ Simpson didn’t start doing commercials for major companies after he was acquitted of murder. And generally people are not arrested based simply on a random accusation. I am sure it happens, but re needs to be some evidence to support that battery occurred and that the accused was the perp. Thinking random women calling out of the blue and accusing a person they have never met of batter would lead to all of them being arrested and subsequently cut from their teams is laughably absurd.

The duke lacrosse players say hello. I can go on with plenty of examples of players that have been falsely accused, charged and in some cases convicted of crimes they did not commit.

You might want to read up on Brian banks too.

Go back and read what I wrote again. You completely missed the point. I never said all accusations are true and all accused are guilty. If that is what you understood, well have a nice day.

The issue that the Giants are straddling the fence when it’s simple man did you rob anyone yes or no. The guy says no then the team can say we’ve had a meeting with Mr. Baker who has assured us he’s innocent we will let the process play out. In this case the team gives the guy the opportunity to clear his name or be proven a liar. In the end the team has put themselves in a position where the court of law will determine his innocence or guilt. At present all they have said is we ask you to resolve you problem away from the team. Remember DV is zero tolerance so what should armed robbery be depends on the circumstances really?