Brandon Nimmo – CF
Jeff McNeil – LF
Pete Alonso – 1B
Michael Conforto – RF
J.D. Davis – 3B
Dom Smith – DH
Amed Rosario – SS
Andrés Giménez – 2B
Tomás Nido – C
Wacha to IL. Come on down Kilome. Lets take the series!
Jake on the hill. If the Mets are going to showup for real this season and gain some traction this would be the day to start. We're the better team with the better pitcher going.
34 at bats
11 hits (slash line = .344/.382/.438)
2 xbh
5 runs
3 steals (0 CS)
3 k's:1bb
+2 DRS (best defender on the team by the eye test?)
Extrapolated to 510 at bats:
165 hits
30 xbh (respectable)
75 runs (respectable)
45 k's (great) : 15 bb (not great)
45 steals (great)
+30 DRS (very unlikely bc that's like gold glover+ but half of that would still be a top defender)
so overall a very solid debut and seems like he is smartly trying to just make contact, spray the ball, and not strikeout as opposed to trying to do too much early on. His BA is definitely high right now but his BABIP isn't nuts (.379 right now, .308 entering today).
I say ride the kid as a starter as long as he is producing. Let the vets rotate through DH and LF.
his stuff is filthy today. But he has to work harder than he should. Needs an out pitch. If I were the Mets I'd bring in someone like Roger Clemens and have him try to teach him a split finger fastball. It would be nasty with his velocity and make his 4-seam more effective (batters would chase it)
bullpen in general seems like it has been MUCH better lately vs the start of the season.
It has rocketed up from last in the league through the first week to 14th heading into today and after today may be top 10. To say the performance of the BP is the key to the season is possibly an understatement.
Game was in the 6th inning with orioles up 5-2. They didn’t take that lead in the 6th, they were up 5-2 after 5.
On opening night the Yankees were rewarded with a rain shortened win. They didn’t resume the 7th inning the next day or later that weekend.
What am I missing?
They are calling the suspension a “mechanical error” and not a weather related suspension because the grounds crew couldn’t get the tarp out. Don’t kill the messenger...
bullpen in general seems like it has been MUCH better lately vs the start of the season.
It has rocketed up from last in the league through the first week to 14th heading into today and after today may be top 10. To say the performance of the BP is the key to the season is possibly an understatement.
I think the key is (and has been) pitching in general. If the starters shit the bed (like Matz last start or Wacha's past couple) it won't matter what the BP does.
Need to get Stroman back. But if David Peterson is the Mets 2nd best starter it probably means the bullpen is moot.
from the Nats and be right back in the mix for first place. Lineup is starting to perk up and the pen is stabilizing. Really hoping to see Kilome in for Wacha on Tuesday. He earned the start with his last showing for sure.
We also can look forward to adding Stroman, Brach, Cano, and Marisnick back into the team in the next few weeks as well hopefully.
bullpen in general seems like it has been MUCH better lately vs the start of the season.
It has rocketed up from last in the league through the first week to 14th heading into today and after today may be top 10. To say the performance of the BP is the key to the season is possibly an understatement.
I think the key is (and has been) pitching in general. If the starters shit the bed (like Matz last start or Wacha's past couple) it won't matter what the BP does.
Need to get Stroman back. But if David Peterson is the Mets 2nd best starter it probably means the bullpen is moot.
Even with Matz/Wacha's last starts the starting rotation is 8th in fwar so there's more breathing room than you think but Stroman coming back healthy should make it pretty likely that level of performance continues or improves ROS unless something happens to JDG.
We still have Szapucki and Smith we could get a look at too potentially. Not saying I necessarily want that, but there's no reason we should be seeing retreads filling in at least.
But we really did have an abundance of similar type prospects. (I'd have Dunn, Kay, Peterson, Kilome, Szapucki, and maybe even Smith) all in the same boat/tier. You cant keep everyone. Based on what Dunn and Kay have done this year, Peterson and Kilome look like the better "keeps" so far (SSS).
Losing SWR stings more because I think he has TOR upside, the rest dont.
it was about the trades they were involved in and the timing. Add Humphreys too now.
If Dunn wasn't in the Cano trade, but was say straight up Dunn (or even with Bautista - something like that) for Diaz. Thumbs up from me. Obviously SEA had no incentive to trade Diaz just for Dunn (I think a top 100 prospect at the time), but that's the point.
And SWR and Kay traded for Stroman at a time when the Mets should not have been buyers really made no sense.
Bad trades regardless of how their careers turn out. Monday morning quarterbacking aside. At the time the trades were routinely panned.
the only way the Kay and SWR for Stroman trade made any sense was if the Mets re-signed Wheeler.
Giving up SWR in a deal like that given the standings was criminal
Kay and Dunn were tradeable in the right deals the problem was BVW consistently found himself doing the wrong deals. Kelenic, Kay, and Dunn for Realmuto and fewer would be complaining.
But if Stroman comes back and helps lead the team on a playoff run and resigns it will be a tolerable move - like Fulmer for Cespedes.
it was about the trades they were involved in and the timing. Add Humphreys too now.
If Dunn wasn't in the Cano trade, but was say straight up Dunn (or even with Bautista - something like that) for Diaz. Thumbs up from me. Obviously SEA had no incentive to trade Diaz just for Dunn (I think a top 100 prospect at the time), but that's the point.
And SWR and Kay traded for Stroman at a time when the Mets should not have been buyers really made no sense.
Bad trades regardless of how their careers turn out. Monday morning quarterbacking aside. At the time the trades were routinely panned.
the only way the Kay and SWR for Stroman trade made any sense was if the Mets re-signed Wheeler.
I don’t agree with this at all no offense. No business buying? The Mets won 86 games and missed the playoffs by a few games. They also had some catastrophic losses to the Dodgers and Nationals in September that the pen blew in historic fashion. The Mets roster was a carbon copy of the Nats last year. Their stats line up exactly. We were built the same way and with deGrom, Syndergaard, and Wheeler we could have done massive damage in the playoffs. Not only do I think we should have been buying, we should have bought more. A pen piece to make up for Diaz/Familia might have been the difference.
Prior to the trade. They ended up flipping him before anyone claimed him, but they clearly didn’t think very highly of him,
I know, but it's still poor roster management. Humphreys didn't have the upside, but he still had value and there is enough dead weight on this roster they shouldn't have had to lose him.
RE: RE: It was never just about losing Dunn, Kay and SWR
it was about the trades they were involved in and the timing. Add Humphreys too now.
If Dunn wasn't in the Cano trade, but was say straight up Dunn (or even with Bautista - something like that) for Diaz. Thumbs up from me. Obviously SEA had no incentive to trade Diaz just for Dunn (I think a top 100 prospect at the time), but that's the point.
And SWR and Kay traded for Stroman at a time when the Mets should not have been buyers really made no sense.
Bad trades regardless of how their careers turn out. Monday morning quarterbacking aside. At the time the trades were routinely panned.
the only way the Kay and SWR for Stroman trade made any sense was if the Mets re-signed Wheeler.
I don’t agree with this at all no offense. No business buying? The Mets won 86 games and missed the playoffs by a few games. They also had some catastrophic losses to the Dodgers and Nationals in September that the pen blew in historic fashion. The Mets roster was a carbon copy of the Nats last year. Their stats line up exactly. We were built the same way and with deGrom, Syndergaard, and Wheeler we could have done massive damage in the playoffs. Not only do I think we should have been buying, we should have bought more. A pen piece to make up for Diaz/Familia might have been the difference.
You can disagree if you want. The Mets were 11.5 games back in the division and 6 back in the WC (with multiple teams to pass) when they acquired Stroman. The Mets had a 10% chance at winning the wild card on the date of the trade (per Fangraphs). That's not the profile of a buyer - especially not for legit assets. You want to shuffle shitty contracts to change scenery or acquire someone low cost maybe I can see that, but you don't trade 2 of your top 10/15 prospects for a pipe dream.
And Stroman was mediocre at best in his 11 starts. Not really part of the players who over performed to help the Mets get close.
They could have been like the Nats if BVW didn't have a terrible year
The Mets and Nats had similar core roster constructions and similarly demoralizing bullpens. But 1 team had a GM and the other had a headline hunter. At the trade deadline for a lot less than SWR, the Nats added a RP from Toronto for their 27th best prospect and Daniel Hudson went on to be their MVP down the stretch and in the postseason. And even losing Harper they had a really good offseason signing Corbin, Sanchez, Suzuki, with all of those guys coming up big in the season.
BVW took his big gambles on Cano, Diaz, and then Stroman, and moronically kept Callaway around despite obvious incompetence, and the Callaway/Diaz combo proceeded to blow the big games you are talking about. By WAR those player's performances here was the difference of making a wild card or not and any frequent observer would guarantee Callaway cost them at least 3 games.
Change nothing else except swapping Mickey Callaway for a magic 8 ball they were a WC team. How many apologies did the guy have to make publicly for making the wrong decisions last year? Remember the game he pulled Syndergaard? And Lugo? And Matz with like a 1 hitter and pitch count in the 70's? And when he almost fought the reporter? The guy got fired with 86 wins in his 2nd season and it was an obvious call. Think about how terrible of a young manager you'd need to be to have an entire organization and fanbase absolutely convinced you are incompetent without any potential for improvement while putting up a winning record.
BVW's 3 biggest decisions last year. Massive first trade? Failure. Decision on embattled manager? Failure. First trade deadline? Failure.
is tied for 4th among rookies in fWAR... tied with... Ex-Met Phil Evans. Kyle Lewis (who has been awesome) and Luis Robert (maybe the next big thing) lead the league.
and there's been some smoke around Cohen restructuring his businesses that some think implies he continues to emerge as the likely owner.
Since he has the most money and visibility into the sale process as a partial owner the team has basically always been his if he wants it. With his participation in the bidding process seemingly confirming that to be the case and no surprises so far, I'd say every day of silence that passes is 1 day closer to announcement that he's getting the team. Or a final Wilponzi surprise.
as he himself is a fan of the team and has extremely deep pockets and motivation to win. Hopefully as the process has moved forward he has reached out to MLB and assuaged their fears he would act as a 'rogue owner' and smoothed the way for approval if he is the Wilponsies choice...which I think most agree he will be if it comes down to money.
Gonna really be on the offense now. Hopefully they hit a stride for real and the bullpen does the heavy lifting. Again it’s a huge stretch for Matz. He can make or break a lot.
will give Stroman the qualifying offer? I think you'd have to. Not the end of the world if he doesn't accept and Mets pitching depth can't afford to lose him.
from now I'm calling brodie vanfleecedagain. He's good with the media and Sandy's system has kept them semi-respectable on the field but man has he been a disaster of a GM.
yeah in the trade value market brodie hasn't a clue
Both the Cano and Stroman deals are unconscionable. The new owner will bring in a real baseball man without the shackles Sandy and Omar were saddled with and this team will be run like a franchise with it's potential revenue streams ought to.
Omar had no shackles he was almost as bad as brodie
will give Stroman the qualifying offer? I think you'd have to. Not the end of the world if he doesn't accept and Mets pitching depth can't afford to lose him.
No way we give him a qualifying offer. Not worth it
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DeGrom has the highest fastball velocity of any starting pitcher in baseball.
Can't come away with nothing.
Based loaded, 0 outs.
McNeil up.
Probably trying to do too much after last year.
He seems much more relaxed at DH
Plus Dom is a better 1B anyway
11 hits (slash line = .344/.382/.438)
2 xbh
5 runs
3 steals (0 CS)
3 k's:1bb
+2 DRS (best defender on the team by the eye test?)
Extrapolated to 510 at bats:
165 hits
30 xbh (respectable)
75 runs (respectable)
45 k's (great) : 15 bb (not great)
45 steals (great)
+30 DRS (very unlikely bc that's like gold glover+ but half of that would still be a top defender)
so overall a very solid debut and seems like he is smartly trying to just make contact, spray the ball, and not strikeout as opposed to trying to do too much early on. His BA is definitely high right now but his BABIP isn't nuts (.379 right now, .308 entering today).
I say ride the kid as a starter as long as he is producing. Let the vets rotate through DH and LF.
To be fair, and i hate diaz, he threw strike 3 to the guy before alvarez
1 - 2 (k)
0 - 2 (single)
1 - 2 (double)
now the 2-run lead is in jeopardy
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batter Diaz was ahead 0 - 2 and he doesn't trust his stuff to have an out pitch so he tries to fool the batter.
To be fair, and i hate diaz, he threw strike 3 to the guy before alvarez
yeah, the ump isn't doing him any favors. But I watch his stuff and I just feel like his results should be better.
5 batters he must have had 11 or 12 swing and misses. I'm sure someone can see this number, just based on watching it seemed like that.
It has rocketed up from last in the league through the first week to 14th heading into today and after today may be top 10. To say the performance of the BP is the key to the season is possibly an understatement.
On opening night the Yankees were rewarded with a rain shortened win. They didn’t resume the 7th inning the next day or later that weekend.
What am I missing?
On opening night the Yankees were rewarded with a rain shortened win. They didn’t resume the 7th inning the next day or later that weekend.
What am I missing?
They are calling the suspension a “mechanical error” and not a weather related suspension because the grounds crew couldn’t get the tarp out. Don’t kill the messenger...
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bullpen in general seems like it has been MUCH better lately vs the start of the season.
It has rocketed up from last in the league through the first week to 14th heading into today and after today may be top 10. To say the performance of the BP is the key to the season is possibly an understatement.
I think the key is (and has been) pitching in general. If the starters shit the bed (like Matz last start or Wacha's past couple) it won't matter what the BP does.
Need to get Stroman back. But if David Peterson is the Mets 2nd best starter it probably means the bullpen is moot.
We also can look forward to adding Stroman, Brach, Cano, and Marisnick back into the team in the next few weeks as well hopefully.
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bullpen in general seems like it has been MUCH better lately vs the start of the season.
It has rocketed up from last in the league through the first week to 14th heading into today and after today may be top 10. To say the performance of the BP is the key to the season is possibly an understatement.
I think the key is (and has been) pitching in general. If the starters shit the bed (like Matz last start or Wacha's past couple) it won't matter what the BP does.
Need to get Stroman back. But if David Peterson is the Mets 2nd best starter it probably means the bullpen is moot.
Even with Matz/Wacha's last starts the starting rotation is 8th in fwar so there's more breathing room than you think but Stroman coming back healthy should make it pretty likely that level of performance continues or improves ROS unless something happens to JDG.
Losing SWR stings more because I think he has TOR upside, the rest dont.
If Dunn wasn't in the Cano trade, but was say straight up Dunn (or even with Bautista - something like that) for Diaz. Thumbs up from me. Obviously SEA had no incentive to trade Diaz just for Dunn (I think a top 100 prospect at the time), but that's the point.
And SWR and Kay traded for Stroman at a time when the Mets should not have been buyers really made no sense.
Bad trades regardless of how their careers turn out. Monday morning quarterbacking aside. At the time the trades were routinely panned.
the only way the Kay and SWR for Stroman trade made any sense was if the Mets re-signed Wheeler.
But if Stroman comes back and helps lead the team on a playoff run and resigns it will be a tolerable move - like Fulmer for Cespedes.
If Dunn wasn't in the Cano trade, but was say straight up Dunn (or even with Bautista - something like that) for Diaz. Thumbs up from me. Obviously SEA had no incentive to trade Diaz just for Dunn (I think a top 100 prospect at the time), but that's the point.
And SWR and Kay traded for Stroman at a time when the Mets should not have been buyers really made no sense.
Bad trades regardless of how their careers turn out. Monday morning quarterbacking aside. At the time the trades were routinely panned.
the only way the Kay and SWR for Stroman trade made any sense was if the Mets re-signed Wheeler.
I don’t agree with this at all no offense. No business buying? The Mets won 86 games and missed the playoffs by a few games. They also had some catastrophic losses to the Dodgers and Nationals in September that the pen blew in historic fashion. The Mets roster was a carbon copy of the Nats last year. Their stats line up exactly. We were built the same way and with deGrom, Syndergaard, and Wheeler we could have done massive damage in the playoffs. Not only do I think we should have been buying, we should have bought more. A pen piece to make up for Diaz/Familia might have been the difference.
I know, but it's still poor roster management. Humphreys didn't have the upside, but he still had value and there is enough dead weight on this roster they shouldn't have had to lose him.
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it was about the trades they were involved in and the timing. Add Humphreys too now.
If Dunn wasn't in the Cano trade, but was say straight up Dunn (or even with Bautista - something like that) for Diaz. Thumbs up from me. Obviously SEA had no incentive to trade Diaz just for Dunn (I think a top 100 prospect at the time), but that's the point.
And SWR and Kay traded for Stroman at a time when the Mets should not have been buyers really made no sense.
Bad trades regardless of how their careers turn out. Monday morning quarterbacking aside. At the time the trades were routinely panned.
the only way the Kay and SWR for Stroman trade made any sense was if the Mets re-signed Wheeler.
I don’t agree with this at all no offense. No business buying? The Mets won 86 games and missed the playoffs by a few games. They also had some catastrophic losses to the Dodgers and Nationals in September that the pen blew in historic fashion. The Mets roster was a carbon copy of the Nats last year. Their stats line up exactly. We were built the same way and with deGrom, Syndergaard, and Wheeler we could have done massive damage in the playoffs. Not only do I think we should have been buying, we should have bought more. A pen piece to make up for Diaz/Familia might have been the difference.
You can disagree if you want. The Mets were 11.5 games back in the division and 6 back in the WC (with multiple teams to pass) when they acquired Stroman. The Mets had a 10% chance at winning the wild card on the date of the trade (per Fangraphs). That's not the profile of a buyer - especially not for legit assets. You want to shuffle shitty contracts to change scenery or acquire someone low cost maybe I can see that, but you don't trade 2 of your top 10/15 prospects for a pipe dream.
And Stroman was mediocre at best in his 11 starts. Not really part of the players who over performed to help the Mets get close.
BVW took his big gambles on Cano, Diaz, and then Stroman, and moronically kept Callaway around despite obvious incompetence, and the Callaway/Diaz combo proceeded to blow the big games you are talking about. By WAR those player's performances here was the difference of making a wild card or not and any frequent observer would guarantee Callaway cost them at least 3 games.
Change nothing else except swapping Mickey Callaway for a magic 8 ball they were a WC team. How many apologies did the guy have to make publicly for making the wrong decisions last year? Remember the game he pulled Syndergaard? And Lugo? And Matz with like a 1 hitter and pitch count in the 70's? And when he almost fought the reporter? The guy got fired with 86 wins in his 2nd season and it was an obvious call. Think about how terrible of a young manager you'd need to be to have an entire organization and fanbase absolutely convinced you are incompetent without any potential for improvement while putting up a winning record.
BVW's 3 biggest decisions last year. Massive first trade? Failure. Decision on embattled manager? Failure. First trade deadline? Failure.
2012 - Familia + Harvey
2013 - Wheeler
2014 - JDG (ROY)
2015 - Thor + Matz + Conforto (not sure if he qualified as a rookie in '16?)
2016 - Nimmo + Lugo
2017 - Rosario + Dom
2018 - McNeil
2019 - Alonso (ROY)
2020 - Gimenez + Peterson
Almost half of that list has made at least 1 ASG appearance and 13/15 are on current roster.
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Since he has the most money and visibility into the sale process as a partial owner the team has basically always been his if he wants it. With his participation in the bidding process seemingly confirming that to be the case and no surprises so far, I'd say every day of silence that passes is 1 day closer to announcement that he's getting the team. Or a final Wilponzi surprise.
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No way we give him a qualifying offer. Not worth it