"It's not fair what we're doing to our coaches and student-athletes," one long-time Power Five AD said. "The sooner we can come to a finality, the better."
"I think it's inevitable [the season will not be played in the fall]," said another veteran Power Five AD.
I'm not surprised, but this sucks. I love college football. And I feel for the athletes. Also, I gotta wonder what this does for the 2021 NFL Draft.
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I don’t think so. I think they will postpone to the spring in the coming days.
Unlike the pros, these players aren’t doing this (their jobs) to feed their families. Colleges might be able to make a lot more money in the spring if fans are allowed back by then. To me the risk reward calculus is very clear to postpone to spring. Of course top players will opt out of that and prepare for the draft but that’s minor in the grand scheme of a multi million business
Although I was looking forward to these conference games only structures with alabama having to play some extra FBS competition for once. Oh well.
Leaders around the industry are meeting over the next three days with expectation of a postponement or cancellation to the 2020 fall college football season.
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Yep. Total BS if you ask me.
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People are at just as much, if not more risk, if we don’t play. Players will all be sent home to their own communities where social distancing is highly unlikely and medical care and expenses will be placed on the families if they were to contract covid19 (1)
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Not to mention the players coming from situations that are not good for them/ their future and having to go back to that. Football is a safe haven for so many people. We are more likely to get the virus in everyday life than playing football. Having a season also incentivizes -
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Players being safe and taking all of the right precautions to try to avoid contracting covid because the season/ teammates safety is on the line. Without the season, as we’ve seen already, people will not social distance or wear masks and take the proper precautions
Oscar, I fear you are 100% correct ... when you think about big colleges, life in the fall revolves around football ... pep rallies, the bands, alumni coming home, tailgating, caravan road trips ... and all the local economies that depend on these games too ... We fought the pangolin, and the pangolin won ... at least for this year.
How about this. How about EVERYONE wear a mask stay 6 feet apart and wash their hands because IT'S PROVEN TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS and then we can all slowly get back to life as we knew it.
That is a good point, but should that be how they make the decision?
If all classes are virtual, should that be the determinant of football yes or no? Schools like Florida are all virtual for classes, but the students (many of them) will still live in the dorms.
It seems like classes are being shifted to virtual more because of teachers and faculty than because of students.
I think they'll probably cancel or postpone football to the Spring, but I'm not sure virtual classes (and many schools are not fully virtual), should factor heavily in the decision for sports.
How about this. How about EVERYONE wear a mask stay 6 feet apart and wash their hands because IT'S PROVEN TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS and then we can all slowly get back to life as we knew it.
This, this, this........
So students stay in dorms outside of eating and studying while taking all classes online while football players get to practice, travel, play games and generally surround themselves with 100’s of people each day/week?
Doesn’t smell right.
So students stay in dorms outside of eating and studying while taking all classes online while football players get to practice, travel, play games and generally surround themselves with 100’s of people each day/week?
Doesn’t smell right.
I don't think of it as "get to" I think of it as "can" It's not a punishment to students to have virtual classes.
Again, this is just my assumption, but I feel like classes are virtual because of teachers and faculty, not students per se - obviously students can spread it and get it, but the data overwhelmingly shows they're not really at risk , so it's not apples to apples that because you are not able to attend classes in person, it means you can't play football or soccer or cross country or other fall sport.
I have two incoming college Freshman, one going to an SEC school, and they both have mostly face to face classes (as of today).
So students stay in dorms outside of eating and studying while taking all classes online while football players get to practice, travel, play games and generally surround themselves with 100’s of people each day/week?
Doesn’t smell right.
You’re making the assumption that having college classes 100% virtual is the right call which isn’t grounded in much data. Yes they are likely protecting professors but at least at my university way back when too many years now, it would be pretty damn easy and normal for a professor to easily keep 15 feet not 6 from students and wear a face shield if he/she felt it necessarily to conduct a lecture.
Gotcha I probably read it wrong. Big 5 Universities are trying to do it for the revenue, it’s not a surprise nor do I blame them for it. Just feel bad for the (Revenue producing) kids who continue to be used And aren’t paid in general let alone the added risk they would be taking on this fall
None of you know with absolute certainty what is the correct course of action, nobody does.
Trevor Lawerence s argument is as valid as any argument here, It does not need to be cynically dismissed.
There has been much damage done to people from the mitigation handed down, some of if hypocritically inconsistent, stop dismissing the collateral damage as if it is not significant.
None of you know with absolute certainty what is the correct course of action, nobody does.
Trevor Lawerence s argument is as valid as any argument here, It does not need to be cynically dismissed.
There has been much damage done to people from the mitigation handed down, some of if hypocritically inconsistent, stop dismissing the collateral damage as if it is not significant.
Lawrence's argument is a good one, but the problem is it doesn't address the one issue that is going to put an end to the season. The liability for the universities. That's the reason the season is likely to be cancelled regardless. The schools simply can not take the risk of the liability they will have if worst case scenario happens.
Any player who is draft eligible will sit out the season. No chance are they going to play with the draft a month away, not worth the risk.
A large number of common activities can be done safely with reasonable precautions. Many jobs, social, and hospitality activities can be accomplished or enjoyed quite safely, and are happening in many, many communities right now.
There is a minority activity that cannot be — many sports probably fall there, given the travel, the number of people involved, and the physical proximity. The traditional school model with crowded enclosure, long indoor sessions, and high volumes of people is probably another.
I agree. He does bring up a unique opinion that is pretty thought provoking. At the college level, I can certainly see players being more diligent because they don't want to let their teammates down.
Not to mention you can get the non believes have this messaging hammered down on them on a daily basis.
And if you have students attending classes, then that means the student-athletes are also required to attend classes, which makes it highly unlikely that one or more of them will get the virus and then pass it along to the locker room.
So you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Speaking with certainty how the only responsible decision is to cancel the season, in the process ignoring the damage that has been done to a younger generation by the cancellation of school and related activities.
None of you know with absolute certainty what is the correct course of action, nobody does.
Trevor Lawerence s argument is as valid as any argument here, It does not need to be cynically dismissed.
There has been much damage done to people from the mitigation handed down, some of if hypocritically inconsistent, stop dismissing the collateral damage as if it is not significant.
Lawrence's argument is a good one, but the problem is it doesn't address the one issue that is going to put an end to the season. The liability for the universities. That's the reason the season is likely to be cancelled regardless. The schools simply can not take the risk of the liability they will have if worst case scenario happens.
Mook I understand that argument, and it s a valid reason why there won’t be a season. As I stated above, I don’t know what they should do.
My issue has been and continues to be with absolute statements regarding the issue of schools closing, sports shutting down, business s being closed, as if the collateral damage is insignificant, it s not.
I know people who have lost their jobs forever. I know of a suicide to a close friend’ s son. Domestic violence is up, Child abuse up.
Psych wards are full, people dying from cancer and heart disease because they were afraid to go to the doctor, up.
This isn t about people not wanting to be inconvenienced by this virus, as has been suggested here. It s about people being damaged, some permanently because of myopic thinking that contacting the virus is the only danger from this pandemic, it s not. Maybe it S not even the most dangerous.
I dont follow...
The structure may be more rigid, so some might stay in line a little longer, but ultimately, most who haven't gotten the message by now about covid likely aren't going to get it just because they're on campus. For those lacking parental guidance, adult supervision may make a difference.
But... if the scholarships are being honored, why are the kids going home instead of staying in school?
How about this. How about EVERYONE wear a mask stay 6 feet apart and wash their hands because IT'S PROVEN TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS and then we can all slowly get back to life as we knew it.
Nah, we're "patriots". No one tells us what to do.
Is the Spring going to be safer than now? Probably not.
and then there's the uncomfortable thing nobody really wants to discuss when talking about how shutting things down is prudent - even if a vaccine gets developed, there will people who will get sick. Then what happens? Are we looking at quarantines from here on out whenever a player gets sick? Are we looking at future shutdowns?
If we can't play today, then logically, we can't play until a vaccine is developed and beyond. Which is basically the same dilemma everything faces right now.
And if you have students attending classes, then that means the student-athletes are also required to attend classes, which makes it highly unlikely that one or more of them will get the virus and then pass it along to the locker room.
So you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
This is more or less how I feel. Add on top of it that most schools (atleast that I'm aware of) aren't giving a percentage of tuition money back for the semester/s that they will go fully online. I get schools want their money maker back, and fans want things normal again, but the colleges start with education and it seems like that's just being treated as an afterthought.
NFL football is right behind the colleges in cancelling this fall. Baseball might pull it off because they can makeup games lost to team outbreaks....that is not going to be the case with football.
Your pt would carry more weight if you at least acknowledged that things like the flu and mono can also have life long impact on people who get it.
To say nothing that the flu death rate for younger people is significantly higher than Covid.
Before it happens, don’t twist my words to seem I m comparing flu to Covid, I M not, understand the contagion rate.
But we play right through the flu season every year even though it presents some of the same dangers to young people as Covid.
There are better arguments to make against playing than the one you make.
In the big schools, a very small percentage of the players make the NFL.
They are playing very zero dollars.
Certainly, there are a lot who are just having fun, or using scholarships to get a subsidized education, which itself is a form of pay substitution (which, apparently, a lot of schools are honoring regardless of whether the games are played - remains to be seen whether that honoring commitment carries over to next year, when a new batch of hopefuls from high schools enter the picture).
My point is that it is wrong to think there isn't a lot on the line for a lot of these kids, even if they aren't getting paid currently.