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NFT: Marcus Stroman opts out

robbieballs2003 : 8/10/2020 3:23 pm
WTF? I really feel for Mets fans. He starts the year but then opts out now and will become a FA at the end of the year. Holy shit.
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Hopefully he and his family are well and safe  
arniefez : 8/10/2020 3:27 pm : link
but this seems more business decision than health decision from the outside.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 3:27 pm : link
So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.
When is the  
XBRONX : 8/10/2020 3:28 pm : link
team being sold so they can hire a capable GM?
LOL  
Josh in the City : 8/10/2020 3:29 pm : link
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brodie vanfleecedagain  
Eric on Li : 8/10/2020 3:33 pm : link
obviously c19 wasn't his fault but the likelihood that Stroman would never pitch in a postseason game over his 1.5 years here was well over 50% at the time of the trade. I believe PJ posted yesterday FG had their playoff odds at 10% the day of the trade and by historical reference the Mets seem to enter each normal year with about a 20% chance of making the playoffs.

hard to decide who I more regret them dealing more between SWR and Kelenic. At least there's a chance Diaz gets straightened out and contributes under new ownership.
BVW  
GF1080 : 8/10/2020 3:33 pm : link
Obviously he had no idea we'd be in the midst of a pandemic but a bad trade that looks 1000X worse now.
Not much of a loss  
giantsFC : 8/10/2020 3:33 pm : link
He kinda sucked anyway. Reminds me of the Kashmir for Zambrano trade.

Worst GM in baseball. Possibly worst GM in sports history. Up thee with Matt Millen.

I will see if this team will ever be sold or just always on the cusp of it?
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Jay on the Island : 8/10/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14947230 arcarsenal said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.

Holy shit Arc! Where have you been buddy? Where have you been?
LOL. Of COURSE that happened  
speedywheels : 8/10/2020 3:38 pm : link
So long, asshole...
As Deion would say he made a 'business decision' here  
Torrag : 8/10/2020 3:41 pm : link
Disappointing to say the least. Team trades for a local guy who comes in and under performs his history. Then he's hurt and then he bails on the team and his mates and his community.

I'm trying really hard not to judge guys in these medical and health circumstances but ya know what? Fuck him.
Brodie Van Wagenen is a disaster  
moespree : 8/10/2020 3:42 pm : link
Single worst GM any any of the teams I root for have ever had. And I root for the Knicks. A complete disaster in almost every category. His draft strategy was interesting and may pay off one day in the future, but that's about it.
A new owner will want to bring in his own GM, right?  
jlukes : 8/10/2020 3:43 pm : link
please say yes
What happens if a player opted out prior to the season?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/10/2020 3:43 pm : link
Does that mean his contract get pushed back a year? This seems like a huge loophole.
Aside From This  
Samiam : 8/10/2020 3:50 pm : link
How the hell did the team not re-sign Wheeler? To me, trading for Stroman was an indication that Wheeler was gone and it seemed to me that the team made up its mind early and didn't even try to keep Wheeler. The Wilpons can't be gone soon enough but they better be replaced by a Cohen or someone who will act like this is a NY market.
RE: Brodie Van Wagenen is a disaster  
Rory : 8/10/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14947249 moespree said:
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Single worst GM any any of the teams I root for have ever had. And I root for the Knicks. A complete disaster in almost every category. His draft strategy was interesting and may pay off one day in the future, but that's about it.


What does this have to do about Stroman opting out, the Knicks are you serious?

shut up
Hopefully Cohen sends a message to the Wilpons  
Metnut : 8/10/2020 4:00 pm : link
that if Brodie dumps anymore assets for short-term shit moves that the purchase price will go down accordingly.
RE: Aside From This  
Metnut : 8/10/2020 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14947257 Samiam said:
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How the hell did the team not re-sign Wheeler? To me, trading for Stroman was an indication that Wheeler was gone and it seemed to me that the team made up its mind early and didn't even try to keep Wheeler. The Wilpons can't be gone soon enough but they better be replaced by a Cohen or someone who will act like this is a NY market.


Can you imagine another big market team doing the work to develop Wheeler through growing pains/injuries and then he finally becomes the player you hoped he'd be and then you let him walk to a division rival?

Bad enough seeing it happen with Dan Murphy and now they let Wheeler walk. Awful.
Fucking stupid trade at the time...  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/10/2020 4:24 pm : link
...so it's hard to get too worked up over this.

They got nothing for Wheeler, didn't trade Syndergaard but traded prospects for Stroman. Genius.
I was happy to see  
SJGiant : 8/10/2020 4:31 pm : link
Cespedes opt out when he did because it gave an opportunity for younger players to get playing time. However, this opt out timing by Stroman bothers me.
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Drewcon40 : 8/10/2020 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14947230 arcarsenal said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.


arcarsenal - good to see your name, bud. I have to admit, not seeing your name had me concerned but it's nice to see you on the Mets talk. Are you coming back to the Mets after the sale?

Hope you're doing well.
As far as Stroman goes...  
Drewcon40 : 8/10/2020 4:34 pm : link
..man that really sucks. I really liked the guy. I actually bought a Stroman player name/number t-shirt in March so I guess I hexed it.

In an odd way, his numbers didn't reflect it but watching him live was fun last year.
Can we have one piece of good news today  
SJGiant : 8/10/2020 4:39 pm : link
Can the Rangers win the draft lottery???
RE: Can we have one piece of good news today  
Drewcon40 : 8/10/2020 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14947281 SJGiant said:
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Can the Rangers win the draft lottery???


I second this.
RE: RE: Brodie Van Wagenen is a disaster  
moespree : 8/10/2020 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14947258 Rory said:
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Single worst GM any any of the teams I root for have ever had. And I root for the Knicks. A complete disaster in almost every category. His draft strategy was interesting and may pay off one day in the future, but that's about it.



What does this have to do about Stroman opting out, the Knicks are you serious?

shut up


It was a hyperbolic comparison. Something that should be obvious to anyone with an even somewhat semblance of an intelligence level. Perhaps that's not you Rory.
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Stufftherun : 8/10/2020 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14947230 arcarsenal said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.
- This is the real headline here! Arc rises from the ashes!
RE: Fucking stupid trade at the time...  
cactus : 8/10/2020 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14947270 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...so it's hard to get too worked up over this.

They got nothing for Wheeler, didn't trade Syndergaard but traded prospects for Stroman. Genius.


They have to pretend they are contending each year to sell tickets into September, that's the Wilpon way.
the business side of pro sports really fucking sticks it to the fan  
djm : 8/10/2020 5:28 pm : link
can't blame Stroman, or can you...who knows...but man this shit is tough to take. Owners always sticking it to the player if and when needed, so naturally the player is going to do the same if and when. Fans lose every time. Not that Stroman is some fan friendly icon or anything, just sucks.

I have long ago convinced myself to ignore the money. Ignore the cap crap, for the most part, but it's hard to sometimes.
i say this  
djm : 8/10/2020 5:29 pm : link
because it's clear that Stroman took advantage of the Mets and MLB loopholes. Guy OPTS in, goes on the DL, subsequently generating another tenured year, then opts out.

I would have done the same thing most likely, but it still sucks.

So he's like Cespedes  
allstarjim : 8/10/2020 5:30 pm : link
only a pitcher. I doubt he opts out if the Mets are 11-5 right now instead of 7-9. But damn.

Fuck it. Put Lugo in the rotation already if need be.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14947242 Jay on the Island said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.


Holy shit Arc! Where have you been buddy? Where have you been?


Hello friend.

Needed a break from this place. I think around the time of the Jets game last November I was just tired of another lost Giants season and all the toxicity here. Tired of arguing and fighting over it.

Also wasn't feeling much of an urge to read the board when there weren't sports at all for pretty much the entire spring and start of summer.

But, I'm alive and well. And sort of "back" here, I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14947277 Drewcon40 said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.



arcarsenal - good to see your name, bud. I have to admit, not seeing your name had me concerned but it's nice to see you on the Mets talk. Are you coming back to the Mets after the sale?

Hope you're doing well.


All is well, pal - just took a nice long break from BBI.

I hope whoever buys the Mets winds up being good for the franchise and helps them reach the next level. I really don't wish ill-will on the team or the fans at all. But, I wouldn't have done what I did if I was just going to go back to being a Mets fan a few years later. That would honestly be worse, in my opinion.. LOL.

I don't think I ever could have just jumped into the Yankees in the midst of the core-4, championship years. I don't own any Derek Jeter merch or act like I was there from 96-00. But, I felt like the Boone era was the right time if I was ever going to do it with the Yankees not having played in a World Series in over a decade now. It felt less "easy way out" even though I realize that element is there no matter what.

All of these guys either debuted or were acquired in 2018 or later...

DJ LeMahieu
Gleyber Torres
Luke Voit
Giancarlo Stanton
James Paxton
Gerrit Cole
Gio Urshela
Mike Tauchman
Miguel Andujar
Zack Britton
Adam Ottavino
Jonathan Loaisiga

Judge was only in his 2nd full season.

I'm pretty sure deGrom and Conforto are the only Mets still there from when I jumped ship. Guys like Alonso and McNeil are after my time. Ditto Cano, Marisnick, Ramos, Diaz, Porcello, JD Davis, etc. None of those guys were Mets or with the MLB club at that point.

So, things change quick. It's only the 3rd season since, and the Mets roster already has a bunch of guys I don't know much (or anything) about.

I'd like to see the Mets be competitive again. But, if they are, I'm not going to just switch back.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 6:07 pm : link
In comment 14947288 Stufftherun said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.

- This is the real headline here! Arc rises from the ashes!


Would have been nice to have some Rangers playoff threads. It's almost like they never even showed up to the qualifiers. Woof.

Hope all is well, buddy!
arc,  
ColHowPepper : 8/10/2020 6:23 pm : link
good to see your face! Stay well.

And, well, they got some pay back for the quick exit (it was ugly) just now
RE: arc,  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14947324 ColHowPepper said:
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good to see your face! Stay well.

And, well, they got some pay back for the quick exit (it was ugly) just now


Wow!! First pick!

Fucking awesome. That makes all of this worth it.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 6:26 pm : link
(Also, hope you've been well, my friend! Good to see you around)
Fuck him  
Knineteen : 8/10/2020 6:35 pm : link
and fuck Cespedes. The season is two months long. Everyone over 50 has a preexisting condition.
tryin' to maintain, same as all of us  
ColHowPepper : 8/10/2020 6:36 pm : link
but you were scarce way before covid, worrisome

I saw only the first two games: then we lost power due to Isisaih or whoever he was, out for more than three days, so I was spared the crusher, no Internet, no nada.

Did Igor not look good in his (delayed) return? Did anyone look good. The two games I saw, KK was about the best on ice.
RE: RE: Can we have one piece of good news today  
SJGiant : 8/10/2020 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14947283 Drewcon40 said:
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Can the Rangers win the draft lottery???



I second this.


My wishes were answered
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Drewcon40 : 8/10/2020 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14947353 SJGiant said:
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Can the Rangers win the draft lottery???



I second this.



My wishes were answered


I third this
RE: Not much of a loss  
Darth Paul : 8/10/2020 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14947236 giantsFC said:
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He kinda sucked anyway. Reminds me of the Kashmir for Zambrano trade.

Worst GM in baseball. Possibly worst GM in sports history. Up thee with Matt Millen.

I will see if this team will ever be sold or just always on the cusp of it?


Every GM the Knicks have had in recent years would be up there to compete.
RE: tryin' to maintain, same as all of us  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14947351 ColHowPepper said:
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but you were scarce way before covid, worrisome

I saw only the first two games: then we lost power due to Isisaih or whoever he was, out for more than three days, so I was spared the crusher, no Internet, no nada.

Did Igor not look good in his (delayed) return? Did anyone look good. The two games I saw, KK was about the best on ice.


A lot of our guys struggled and didn't look great.

But, I definitely felt like Kakko played a more confident game and he looked stronger. He wasn't getting pushed off the puck as easily and he looked more like he belonged out there.

I think he's going to make some big strides next year.

I am definitely sold on Igor - he looks like a franchise goalie to me. If he stays healthy, we should be set.

Feel bad for Hank. Finally getting all of this lottery luck when he's on the way out.
RE: RE: tryin' to maintain, same as all of us  
jpkmets : 8/10/2020 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14947384 arcarsenal said:
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but you were scarce way before covid, worrisome

I saw only the first two games: then we lost power due to Isisaih or whoever he was, out for more than three days, so I was spared the crusher, no Internet, no nada.

Did Igor not look good in his (delayed) return? Did anyone look good. The two games I saw, KK was about the best on ice.



A lot of our guys struggled and didn't look great.

But, I definitely felt like Kakko played a more confident game and he looked stronger. He wasn't getting pushed off the puck as easily and he looked more like he belonged out there.

I think he's going to make some big strides next year.

I am definitely sold on Igor - he looks like a franchise goalie to me. If he stays healthy, we should be set.

Feel bad for Hank. Finally getting all of this lottery luck when he's on the way out.


Hey Arc! Good to see ya!

So as a casual Rangers fan (take in five games or so at MSG a year) how good a draft is this to be No. 1? Seems like LaFreniere is a consensus no 1 but not mcdavid or Crosby level hype. Is that about right?
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14947398 jpkmets said:
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In comment 14947351 ColHowPepper said:


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but you were scarce way before covid, worrisome

I saw only the first two games: then we lost power due to Isisaih or whoever he was, out for more than three days, so I was spared the crusher, no Internet, no nada.

Did Igor not look good in his (delayed) return? Did anyone look good. The two games I saw, KK was about the best on ice.



A lot of our guys struggled and didn't look great.

But, I definitely felt like Kakko played a more confident game and he looked stronger. He wasn't getting pushed off the puck as easily and he looked more like he belonged out there.

I think he's going to make some big strides next year.

I am definitely sold on Igor - he looks like a franchise goalie to me. If he stays healthy, we should be set.

Feel bad for Hank. Finally getting all of this lottery luck when he's on the way out.



Hey Arc! Good to see ya!

So as a casual Rangers fan (take in five games or so at MSG a year) how good a draft is this to be No. 1? Seems like LaFreniere is a consensus no 1 but not mcdavid or Crosby level hype. Is that about right?


Hey bud! Good to see you, too. Hope all's well.

You're pretty much on target there, re: LaFreniere. I don't think he's McDavid/Crosby/Matthews, but his ceiling isn't far. He's definitely a better prospect than Kakko and will have impact sooner. He should contribute a good bit in year one. Even at his age. He's legit.

I wish he was a pivot, truthfully - because that's what the Rangers *really* need - but beggars can't be choosers here. I've seen some people suggest the Rangers get a little crazy and draft Byfield instead for that reason - but, there's no way I am doing that. Take LaFreniere and don't think twice.
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jpkmets : 8/10/2020 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14947410 arcarsenal said:
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but you were scarce way before covid, worrisome

I saw only the first two games: then we lost power due to Isisaih or whoever he was, out for more than three days, so I was spared the crusher, no Internet, no nada.

Did Igor not look good in his (delayed) return? Did anyone look good. The two games I saw, KK was about the best on ice.



A lot of our guys struggled and didn't look great.

But, I definitely felt like Kakko played a more confident game and he looked stronger. He wasn't getting pushed off the puck as easily and he looked more like he belonged out there.

I think he's going to make some big strides next year.

I am definitely sold on Igor - he looks like a franchise goalie to me. If he stays healthy, we should be set.

Feel bad for Hank. Finally getting all of this lottery luck when he's on the way out.



Hey Arc! Good to see ya!

So as a casual Rangers fan (take in five games or so at MSG a year) how good a draft is this to be No. 1? Seems like LaFreniere is a consensus no 1 but not mcdavid or Crosby level hype. Is that about right?



Hey bud! Good to see you, too. Hope all's well.

You're pretty much on target there, re: LaFreniere. I don't think he's McDavid/Crosby/Matthews, but his ceiling isn't far. He's definitely a better prospect than Kakko and will have impact sooner. He should contribute a good bit in year one. Even at his age. He's legit.

I wish he was a pivot, truthfully - because that's what the Rangers *really* need - but beggars can't be choosers here. I've seen some people suggest the Rangers get a little crazy and draft Byfield instead for that reason - but, there's no way I am doing that. Take LaFreniere and don't think twice.


Thanks for the rundown!
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Jay on the Island : 8/10/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14947296 arcarsenal said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.


Holy shit Arc! Where have you been buddy? Where have you been?



Hello friend.

Needed a break from this place. I think around the time of the Jets game last November I was just tired of another lost Giants season and all the toxicity here. Tired of arguing and fighting over it.

Also wasn't feeling much of an urge to read the board when there weren't sports at all for pretty much the entire spring and start of summer.

But, I'm alive and well. And sort of "back" here, I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I understand, Some of us were worried that something might've happened to you. I'm glad you're back because we certainly missed you around here. I'm happy to hear that you're alright.
RE: RE: Aside From This  
moze1021 : 8/10/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14947262 Metnut said:
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How the hell did the team not re-sign Wheeler? To me, trading for Stroman was an indication that Wheeler was gone and it seemed to me that the team made up its mind early and didn't even try to keep Wheeler. The Wilpons can't be gone soon enough but they better be replaced by a Cohen or someone who will act like this is a NY market.



Can you imagine another big market team doing the work to develop Wheeler through growing pains/injuries and then he finally becomes the player you hoped he'd be and then you let him walk to a division rival?

Bad enough seeing it happen with Dan Murphy and now they let Wheeler walk. Awful.


Truly sickening...

I was not a Sandy fan either, but the Wheeler deal was one of the best trades Mets have ever made (amazing it wasn't even Sandy's best; Noah).. and Brodie just tossed it away

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arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14947439 Jay on the Island said:
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So, 11 games and < 60 innings of Marcus Stroman for Anthony Kay and SWR?

Jeez.


Holy shit Arc! Where have you been buddy? Where have you been?



Hello friend.

Needed a break from this place. I think around the time of the Jets game last November I was just tired of another lost Giants season and all the toxicity here. Tired of arguing and fighting over it.

Also wasn't feeling much of an urge to read the board when there weren't sports at all for pretty much the entire spring and start of summer.

But, I'm alive and well. And sort of "back" here, I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️


I understand, Some of us were worried that something might've happened to you. I'm glad you're back because we certainly missed you around here. I'm happy to hear that you're alright.


Well, that's kind of you! I appreciate it.

Bruce (BB56) actually reached out around draft time and he was supplying me with Sy's scouting reports behind the scenes lol.

So, kudos to Bruce for being a standup guy as always.

The arc train is humming along for now.
RE: Not much of a loss  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2020 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14947236 giantsFC said:
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He kinda sucked anyway. Reminds me of the Kashmir for Zambrano trade.

Worst GM in baseball. Possibly worst GM in sports history. Up thee with Matt Millen.

I will see if this team will ever be sold or just always on the cusp of it?


Kashmir?

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

(Mark Ratner obviously was not a Led Zeppelin fan, since Kashmir is NOT in Led Zeppelin IV)
RE: RE: Not much of a loss  
arcarsenal : 8/10/2020 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14947476 pjcas18 said:
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He kinda sucked anyway. Reminds me of the Kashmir for Zambrano trade.

Worst GM in baseball. Possibly worst GM in sports history. Up thee with Matt Millen.

I will see if this team will ever be sold or just always on the cusp of it?



Kashmir?

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

(Mark Ratner obviously was not a Led Zeppelin fan, since Kashmir is NOT in Led Zeppelin IV)


KASHMIR?!

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pjcas18 : 8/10/2020 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14947485 arcarsenal said:
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He kinda sucked anyway. Reminds me of the Kashmir for Zambrano trade.

Worst GM in baseball. Possibly worst GM in sports history. Up thee with Matt Millen.

I will see if this team will ever be sold or just always on the cusp of it?



Kashmir?

When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on side one of Led Zeppelin IV.

(Mark Ratner obviously was not a Led Zeppelin fan, since Kashmir is NOT in Led Zeppelin IV)



KASHMIR?!



Is that a red dot I see?
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