NFT: Knicks: Kenny Payne officially hired

Bobby Marks
@BobbyMarks42
With the win by the LA Clippers, New York will now have the 27th pick in the Draft. The Knicks also own a lottery pick and second from Charlotte - currently 6 and 39.

In comment 14950222 Jon in NYC said:

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also add, I'd probably give up way more than would be recommended to draft LaMelo. Think he's the only guy in the draft you can build a team around and has the clearest path to being a superstar. Maybe even include next year's first with some protections.

Agreed, hope the Knicks get 1 and save those assets but if i have to i am doing it

Need that rangers karma good lotto luck.

Do you guys think the Knicks have enough assets (and opportunity) to somehow add 2 big stars by next season? Trade for one sign another...

The Knicks are not making all seven of these draft picks over the next two years, and probably not all four of the first rounders. Can’t add that many young guys to a roster that’s already pretty young.

I bet they’d love to throw in a Dallas pick in a trade for a good veteran, so they can say they spun the KP haul into something positive.

KP return is more accurate.

In comment 14950347 djm said:

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Do you guys think the Knicks have enough assets (and opportunity) to somehow add 2 big stars by next season? Trade for one sign another...

You could make it work financially, i think if they want a star in free agency next year, they habe to trade for one this offseason or at least come close to making playoffs

To me, it seems like LaMelo has a higher ceiling due to his superior athletic ability but I’m a bit biased by Lonzo as a pro and seeing his limitations in the NBA

In comment 14950612 Strahan91 said:

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To me, it seems like LaMelo has a higher ceiling due to his superior athletic ability but I’m a bit biased by Lonzo as a pro and seeing his limitations in the NBA

I won’t pretend to be an expert off of YouTube videos, but I think you’re right about the athletic ability - Lonzo doesn’t really create his own shot, and needed to improve his 3-ball just to be a competent NBA player. LaMelo is twitchy and crafty enough as a ball handler to get by defenders.

I have this uneasy feeling that Detroit - which has a glaring need at PG - will win the lottery and not entertain trade offers.

Jazz lose? Lakers lose? Philly lose? any other star we are hoping asks out? haha

In comment 14950366 bceagle05 said:

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KP return is more accurate.

Or maybe a "small token of appreciation"...

I am rooting for the Jazz and Philly to flame out bad. As great as he is , Gobert doesn't really fit the Knicks currently. But Simmons, Mitchell, and Embiid are high up on the list for the next stars to be traded.

In comment 14950893 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 14950366 bceagle05 said: Quote: KP return is more accurate. Or maybe a "small token of appreciation"... I am rooting for the Jazz and Philly to flame out bad. As great as he is , Gobert doesn't really fit the Knicks currently. But Simmons, Mitchell, and Embiid are high up on the list for the next stars to be traded.

it will be interesting to see what Philly does, i think it is clear they are not going any farther with embiid and simmons pairing...

Do they trade Embiid move horford to center and add shooters around simmons..

or do they trade simmons and run the offense through embiid and surround him with shooters..

either way philly needs shooters

because that's what good people do. Plus, they have talent that may grow disenfranchised with philly because that is something normal people do.

like the Knicks are moving toward more of an analytical approach, I'm here for it.

and im fine with giving it to him. Guy is a stud whose best basketball is ahead of him. Man what a shame we couldnt find a way to get ujiri. What a job he has done. So many teams consistently picking in the top 10 cant find good players and he grabs guys like FVV and Siakim with late picks (or undrafted in FVV case).

In comment 14951432 Italianju said:

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and im fine with giving it to him. Guy is a stud whose best basketball is ahead of him. Man what a shame we couldnt find a way to get ujiri. What a job he has done. So many teams consistently picking in the top 10 cant find good players and he grabs guys like FVV and Siakim with late picks (or undrafted in FVV case).

I agree with all of this. It's amazing that the final four Wichita State team was led by three players, two of which the Knicks had (and stunk up the join) and the third was Vanvleet.

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since their GM job opened. I would love to see him head back there, and Leon/Wes should nudge him along if he’s gonna be replaced in a year anyway.

In comment 14951909 bceagle05 said:

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since their GM job opened. I would love to see him head back there, and Leon/Wes should nudge him along if he’s gonna be replaced in a year anyway.

i want a 2nd round pick back

Bogdan Bogdanovic in a s&t

are casting a very wide net. They also may speak to Bill Duffy (Barrett's agent).

signed, his contract goes down every year, legit shooter to put next to barrett..

In comment 14951970 Jon in NYC said:

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Bogdan Bogdanovic in a s&t

Tommy Beer has been pushing this for a while now. With Harris extremely unlikely I'd be all for Bogdanovic. Not particularly interested in Gallo given his age. All-in on FVV and as I've stated big on Harrell.

Hield probably. 4 More years left, doesn't do much well other than shoot. Somewhat of a malcontent. Seems like a losing player to me.

on Hield as well. He's owed essentially FVV money and given the choice it wouldn't be close. Also, not sure the origin but Knicks fans need to move on from Anunby, no chance Toronto deals him .

it goes down not up, 24, 22, 20, 18..

If you can get him and send them randle in the process, could be something to think about

it declines in negligible.

Riley is the king of finding underrated talent but man is Ujiri good.

Traded Grievis Vasquez for Anunoby 23rd and Powell, Siakam 27th, FVV scrap heap, RHJ for 2.5 million and now players like Boucher and Watson giving them quality minutes. Dolan was right to fawn over the guy.

It’s incredible what he’s done in Toronto, and now he has a title to validate it.

Shams Charania
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The New York Knicks are hiring Utah Jazz assistant Johnnie Bryant as associate head coach under Tom Thibodeau, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA
@Stadium
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In comment 14952030 DanMetroMan said:

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Shams Charania @ShamsCharania · 18s The New York Knicks are hiring Utah Jazz assistant Johnnie Bryant as associate head coach under Tom Thibodeau, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium .

so he is above Payne...

35 years old, pretty impressive for Bryant. Players really talk him up... including...Donovan Mitchell...

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this as another Mitchell recruiting chip.

It’s not unusual for Mitchell to receive a handful of daily texts from Bryant of film clips with accompanying notes.

“I watch film a lot, but I’ve never met someone who watches it more than me,” Mitchell said. “He’s always trying to find ways to get guys better and find little tweaks to improve your game.”

In comment 14952033 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14952030 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Shams Charania @ShamsCharania · 18s The New York Knicks are hiring Utah Jazz assistant Johnnie Bryant as associate head coach under Tom Thibodeau, sources tell @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium . so he is above Payne...

Payne is almost certainly being paid more so the title may have been necessary to snipe Bryant.

who's considered a top player development coach
Johnnie Bryant works behind the scenes, but his impact on the Jazz is unmistakable - ( New Window )

Eric Walden
@tribjazz
Wow. Johnnie Bryant leaving the Jazz for a promotion with the Knicks. He’s renowned for his player development. This is a big loss for Utah.

love trolling the Knicks but it's not like they have drafted a bunch of reaches in recent years and yet the young players have mostly been awful. Have to believe player development has been lacking.

In comment 14951674 nygiants16 said:

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Honestly whatever it took to get him. Would you trade this for him?

Both 2020 1st round picks, 2021 Dallas unprotected, 2022 NYK pick and Barrett.

I would in a heartbeat but I don't think they entices Utah. They would probably want future picks instead of Clips or Dallas one. I'd also be open to taking Conley if they were looking to shed salary...

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In comment 14951674 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. Honestly whatever it took to get him. Would you trade this for him? Both 2020 1st round picks, 2021 Dallas unprotected, 2022 NYK pick and Barrett. I would in a heartbeat but I don't think they entices Utah. They would probably want future picks instead of Clips or Dallas one. I'd also be open to taking Conley if they were looking to shed salary...

My guess just to talk:

Barrett, 2020 1st, 2021 1st, 2021 dallas, and another future first

said Woodson is still expected to join the staff.

and helped develop Hayward as well

In comment 14952012 DanMetroMan said:

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Riley is the king of finding underrated talent but man is Ujiri good. Traded Grievis Vasquez for Anunoby 23rd and Powell, Siakam 27th, FVV scrap heap, RHJ for 2.5 million and now players like Boucher and Watson giving them quality minutes. Dolan was right to fawn over the guy.

I like what Rose has done thus far and definitely hopeful, but its still crazy to me the Knicks didn't make an all out push to get Masai. Hopefully they did behind the scenes and he turned them down. But he is by far the best GM in the league and hes up there in all of sports. Incredibly impressive what he's done in Toronto.

In comment 14952084 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 14952012 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Riley is the king of finding underrated talent but man is Ujiri good. Traded Grievis Vasquez for Anunoby 23rd and Powell, Siakam 27th, FVV scrap heap, RHJ for 2.5 million and now players like Boucher and Watson giving them quality minutes. Dolan was right to fawn over the guy. I like what Rose has done thus far and definitely hopeful, but its still crazy to me the Knicks didn't make an all out push to get Masai. Hopefully they did behind the scenes and he turned them down. But he is by far the best GM in the league and hes up there in all of sports. Incredibly impressive what he's done in Toronto.

Why would toronto let him leave? Knicks probably would of had to give 2 1sts

Not to rehash this whole thing, but he only had 1 year left on his deal and if he wanted to take the Knicks job- something could have been figured out. Even if they wanted 2 1sts, I would have done it. Especially if it was this years Clippers picks and one of the Dallas picks. You hate trading picks for him its close to a no brainer.

a highly-regarded person who’s gainfully employed by a successful NBA franchise. I’m sure a fat paycheck goes a long way, but it says something about his persuasive powers. These guys all know what the Knicks brand has been.

In comment 14952112 bceagle05 said:

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a highly-regarded person who’s gainfully employed by a successful NBA franchise. I’m sure a fat paycheck goes a long way, but it says something about his persuasive powers. These guys all know what the Knicks brand has been.

wonder if walt perrin helped with this

In comment 14952112 bceagle05 said:

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a highly-regarded person who’s gainfully employed by a successful NBA franchise. I’m sure a fat paycheck goes a long way, but it says something about his persuasive powers. These guys all know what the Knicks brand has been.

it'll be interesting to see who Rose brings on as GM after this lame duck year is over for Perry

In comment 14952112 bceagle05 said:

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a highly-regarded person who’s gainfully employed by a successful NBA franchise. I’m sure a fat paycheck goes a long way, but it says something about his persuasive powers. These guys all know what the Knicks brand has been.

is he persuasive or is he just throwing money around? I guess it doesn't really matter, but hiring a great staff should be the "easy" part of running a team.