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nygiants16 : 8/11/2020 9:47 am
According to Woj he is the first assistant added to Thibs staff
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RE: Bobby Marks has an insider article on the Knicks  
Enzo : 8/12/2020 10:54 am : link
In comment 14948303 nygiants16 said:
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Did not know Knicks could sign Robinson to extension this offseason, wpuld you sign him now? 3 years 35 million or 4 years 50

is Mitch a RFA or UFA after 2022? That plays into it. I think he's only a RFA. But either way, I'd definitely consider extending him and getting him under team control for a significant amount of time.
RE: RE: Bobby Marks has an insider article on the Knicks  
nygiants16 : 8/12/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 14948333 Enzo said:
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Did not know Knicks could sign Robinson to extension this offseason, wpuld you sign him now? 3 years 35 million or 4 years 50


is Mitch a RFA or UFA after 2022? That plays into it. I think he's only a RFA. But either way, I'd definitely consider extending him and getting him under team control for a significant amount of time.


he is restricted after next year and unrestricted after the following year
This  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2020 11:21 am : link
team would be hard to watch lol


kris pursiainen
@krispursiainen
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4m
Tried to keep the roster construction somewhat realistic...

How many wins does this #Knicks squad finish with next year?

Thibs/Payne/Woody/Miller/etc
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Augustin/Edwards/RJ/Carmelo/Mitch
Frank/Bullock/Harkless/Randle/Taj
That's a heck of tanking squad right there.  
bceagle05 : 8/12/2020 11:25 am : link
Keep in mind rookies will start their seasons just a few weeks after getting drafted, so the odds of instant impact are reduced. Throw in DJ Augustin as a starting point guard, and we'll be scouting the loaded draft class in no time.
Depending on where the Knicks pick  
nygiants16 : 8/12/2020 11:30 am : link
The starting PG will either CP3, FVV or a drafted player..

Knicks need to add a SG that can actually shoot and not wayne ellington.

Shocked if Melo is not signed..

Obviously this all changes if a star becomes available
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2020 11:33 am : link
not a huge Edwards guy but even if you are, he's unlikely to be a high impact rookie given what he needs to work on. That would be a really bad team.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2020 11:34 am : link
don't think it's hyperbole when I say I think Lillard is one of the most underrated players in the history of the league.
RE: I  
nygiants16 : 8/12/2020 11:40 am : link
In comment 14948373 DanMetroMan said:
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don't think it's hyperbole when I say I think Lillard is one of the most underrated players in the history of the league.


I dont understand how he doesnt get more respect, wont jump teams, wants to stay in portland for the rest of his career..should get more respect
well said  
NYG22 : 8/12/2020 12:14 pm : link
by both of you on Dame
Lillard probably gets overlooked  
Enzo : 8/12/2020 12:27 pm : link
for two reason: Curry and lack of significant playoff success.

Long  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2020 2:17 pm : link
but well written on Barrett
Link - ( New Window )
Hey Lilliard, come to MSG and play here  
djm : 8/12/2020 3:23 pm : link
and you will be overrated in no time!
Bulls fire Jim Boylen.  
bceagle05 : 8/14/2020 10:20 am : link
Probably reduces the likelihood of a roster overhaul, since all the players wanted out because of him. Atkinson would probably enjoy coaching that group, especially Lavine and Lauri.
RE: Bulls fire Jim Boylen.  
nygiants16 : 8/14/2020 11:13 am : link
In comment 14949511 bceagle05 said:
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Probably reduces the likelihood of a roster overhaul, since all the players wanted out because of him. Atkinson would probably enjoy coaching that group, especially Lavine and Lauri.


Is Lavine up for an extension? that could play a part, but otherwise i agree..
Looks like Lavine is under contract for two more seasons.  
bceagle05 : 8/14/2020 11:44 am : link
No player or team options until it expires. So yeah, that's gonna come to a crossroads soon. I was thinking more of Lauri - we'll see who they hire. Lauri wasn't allowed any mid-range shots last year, which irritated him and probably led to his drop off in production. Obviously Atkinson would demand the same in his offense.
Vlade Divac steps down as Kings GM.  
bceagle05 : 8/14/2020 9:54 pm : link
Please take Scott Perry back. Please.
RE: Vlade Divac steps down as Kings GM.  
Enzo : 8/15/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14949942 bceagle05 said:
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Please take Scott Perry back. Please.

maybe we can get our pick back...lol.
Pelicans job is open  
nygiants16 : 8/15/2020 12:24 pm : link
That is the job if i am Kenny Atkinson i want
RE: Pelicans job is open  
Anakim : 8/15/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14950133 nygiants16 said:
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That is the job if i am Kenny Atkinson i want


Gotta think that's the #1 job available. The opportunity to coach Zion. The Bulls may be a bigger and better all-around market, but the Pelicans have a more promising future.
RE: RE: Pelicans job is open  
nygiants16 : 8/15/2020 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14950136 Anakim said:
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That is the job if i am Kenny Atkinson i want



Gotta think that's the #1 job available. The opportunity to coach Zion. The Bulls may be a bigger and better all-around market, but the Pelicans have a more promising future.


Not only Zion, Ingram is a budding star, assuming they resign him, young bench pieces, jrue holiday..

Apparently their top 2 is kidd and lue
RE: RE: Vlade Divac steps down as Kings GM.  
djm : 8/15/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14950129 Enzo said:
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Please take Scott Perry back. Please.


maybe we can get our pick back...lol.


I didn’t need to know that we gave up a pick for Perry. Thanks I think?

Why give up a pick for an OK exec? Why?
I think the guy  
Jon in NYC : 8/15/2020 3:54 pm : link
I want if no LaMelo is Deni Avdija.

Averaged 18-6-4 out of the break on much improved shooting %s including 41% from 3.

My only concern is his fit with RJ, but that's a later problem. Focus on the BPA.
I'll  
Jon in NYC : 8/15/2020 4:32 pm : link
also add, I'd probably give up way more than would be recommended to draft LaMelo.

Think he's the only guy in the draft you can build a team around and has the clearest path to being a superstar. Maybe even include next year's first with some protections.

.  
Anakim : 8/15/2020 8:48 pm : link
Bobby Marks
@BobbyMarks42
With the win by the LA Clippers, New York will now have the 27th pick in the Draft. The Knicks also own a lottery pick and second from Charlotte - currently 6 and 39.
RE: I'll  
nygiants16 : 8/15/2020 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14950222 Jon in NYC said:
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also add, I'd probably give up way more than would be recommended to draft LaMelo.

Think he's the only guy in the draft you can build a team around and has the clearest path to being a superstar. Maybe even include next year's first with some protections.


Agreed, hope the Knicks get 1 and save those assets but if i have to i am doing it
I’d reluctantly give up assets too  
djm : 8/15/2020 9:33 pm : link
Need that rangers karma good lotto luck.
Thinking of the moves this team might make  
djm : 8/15/2020 9:42 pm : link
Do you guys think the Knicks have enough assets (and opportunity) to somehow add 2 big stars by next season? Trade for one sign another...
One thing is for certain:  
bceagle05 : 8/15/2020 9:54 pm : link
The Knicks are not making all seven of these draft picks over the next two years, and probably not all four of the first rounders. Can’t add that many young guys to a roster that’s already pretty young.

I bet they’d love to throw in a Dallas pick in a trade for a good veteran, so they can say they spun the KP haul into something positive.
I shouldn’t say KP “haul.”  
bceagle05 : 8/15/2020 10:09 pm : link
KP return is more accurate.
RE: Thinking of the moves this team might make  
nygiants16 : 8/15/2020 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14950347 djm said:
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Do you guys think the Knicks have enough assets (and opportunity) to somehow add 2 big stars by next season? Trade for one sign another...


You could make it work financially, i think if they want a star in free agency next year, they habe to trade for one this offseason or at least come close to making playoffs
How do people think LaMelo compares to Lonzo coming out?  
Strahan91 : 8/16/2020 4:33 pm : link
To me, it seems like LaMelo has a higher ceiling due to his superior athletic ability but I’m a bit biased by Lonzo as a pro and seeing his limitations in the NBA
RE: How do people think LaMelo compares to Lonzo coming out?  
bceagle05 : 8/16/2020 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14950612 Strahan91 said:
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To me, it seems like LaMelo has a higher ceiling due to his superior athletic ability but I’m a bit biased by Lonzo as a pro and seeing his limitations in the NBA

I won’t pretend to be an expert off of YouTube videos, but I think you’re right about the athletic ability - Lonzo doesn’t really create his own shot, and needed to improve his 3-ball just to be a competent NBA player. LaMelo is twitchy and crafty enough as a ball handler to get by defenders.

I have this uneasy feeling that Detroit - which has a glaring need at PG - will win the lottery and not entertain trade offers.
So we are rooting for  
nygiants16 : 8/17/2020 8:30 am : link
Jazz lose? Lakers lose? Philly lose? any other star we are hoping asks out? haha
RE: I shouldn’t say KP “haul.”  
TyreeHelmet : 8/17/2020 9:15 am : link
In comment 14950366 bceagle05 said:
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KP return is more accurate.


Or maybe a "small token of appreciation"...

I am rooting for the Jazz and Philly to flame out bad. As great as he is , Gobert doesn't really fit the Knicks currently. But Simmons, Mitchell, and Embiid are high up on the list for the next stars to be traded.
RE: RE: I shouldn’t say KP “haul.”  
nygiants16 : 8/17/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14950893 TyreeHelmet said:
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KP return is more accurate.



Or maybe a "small token of appreciation"...

I am rooting for the Jazz and Philly to flame out bad. As great as he is , Gobert doesn't really fit the Knicks currently. But Simmons, Mitchell, and Embiid are high up on the list for the next stars to be traded.


it will be interesting to see what Philly does, i think it is clear they are not going any farther with embiid and simmons pairing...

Do they trade Embiid move horford to center and add shooters around simmons..

or do they trade simmons and run the offense through embiid and surround him with shooters..

either way philly needs shooters
you should always root for a philly franchise to crash and burn  
djm : 8/17/2020 5:07 pm : link
because that's what good people do. Plus, they have talent that may grow disenfranchised with philly because that is something normal people do.
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 8/17/2020 5:43 pm : link
like the Knicks are moving toward more of an analytical approach, I'm here for it.
FVV is going to get the max.....  
Italianju : 8/17/2020 6:23 pm : link
and im fine with giving it to him. Guy is a stud whose best basketball is ahead of him. Man what a shame we couldnt find a way to get ujiri. What a job he has done. So many teams consistently picking in the top 10 cant find good players and he grabs guys like FVV and Siakim with late picks (or undrafted in FVV case).
RE: FVV is going to get the max.....  
Strahan91 : 8/17/2020 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14951432 Italianju said:
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and im fine with giving it to him. Guy is a stud whose best basketball is ahead of him. Man what a shame we couldnt find a way to get ujiri. What a job he has done. So many teams consistently picking in the top 10 cant find good players and he grabs guys like FVV and Siakim with late picks (or undrafted in FVV case).

I agree with all of this. It's amazing that the final four Wichita State team was led by three players, two of which the Knicks had (and stunk up the join) and the third was Vanvleet.
How many picks are you willing to give up for Mitchell?  
nygiants16 : 8/18/2020 8:13 am : link
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Macri says there has been contact between Perry and the Kings  
bceagle05 : 8/18/2020 12:01 pm : link
since their GM job opened. I would love to see him head back there, and Leon/Wes should nudge him along if he’s gonna be replaced in a year anyway.
RE: Macri says there has been contact between Perry and the Kings  
nygiants16 : 8/18/2020 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14951909 bceagle05 said:
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since their GM job opened. I would love to see him head back there, and Leon/Wes should nudge him along if he’s gonna be replaced in a year anyway.


i want a 2nd round pick back
I want  
Jon in NYC : 8/18/2020 12:51 pm : link
Bogdan Bogdanovic in a s&t
Kings  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2020 12:53 pm : link
are casting a very wide net. They also may speak to Bill Duffy (Barrett's agent).
Would you trade for hield?  
nygiants16 : 8/18/2020 12:54 pm : link
signed, his contract goes down every year, legit shooter to put next to barrett..
RE: I want  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2020 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14951970 Jon in NYC said:
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Bogdan Bogdanovic in a s&t


Tommy Beer has been pushing this for a while now. With Harris extremely unlikely I'd be all for Bogdanovic. Not particularly interested in Gallo given his age. All-in on FVV and as I've stated big on Harrell.
I wouldn't touch  
Jon in NYC : 8/18/2020 1:05 pm : link
Hield probably. 4 More years left, doesn't do much well other than shoot. Somewhat of a malcontent. Seems like a losing player to me.
Pass  
DanMetroMan : 8/18/2020 1:27 pm : link
on Hield as well. He's owed essentially FVV money and given the choice it wouldn't be close. Also, not sure the origin but Knicks fans need to move on from Anunby, no chance Toronto deals him .
One thing about Hields contract  
nygiants16 : 8/18/2020 1:30 pm : link
it goes down not up, 24, 22, 20, 18..

If you can get him and send them randle in the process, could be something to think about
The amount  
Jon in NYC : 8/18/2020 1:31 pm : link
it declines in negligible.
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