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adamg : 8/11/2020 1:06 pm
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Prior to tonight's game, the Yankees recalled OF Clint Frazier (#77) from the Alternate Site.
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christian : 8/11/2020 3:33 pm : link
I believe the Marlins start kicking in 10M towards his salary in 21, 22, and 23.

As frustrating as his injuries are this and last year — he costs 19, 19, and 21M the next three years. For that alone I doubt he’s traded.
Would be interested to know if anyone knows the medical side better  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2020 3:44 pm : link
if given his injuries if they are happening as a result of essentially being too big and putting too much strain on his joints or if they are potentially from cumulative exertion. Without admittedly knowing much of this side I don't know how much it could help to only play him a few times a week going forward.

The Yankees have depth and I imagine they will for the foreseeable future given their team construction strategy. The one positive is especially this season he is playing well. If playing less would help it's not as bad as people we've seen with contracts that just fall off a cliff and even if they are "healthy" you don't want them in. I imagine we are looking at like a David Boston situation where he's gotten so big his body can't sustain itself on that size but even then is there any fix to that? Can they ask him to lift less and lose weight?
not much to do on Stanton  
bigbluehoya : 8/11/2020 3:45 pm : link
other than hope that he truly does re-focus on flexibility vs muscle mass as was the chatter in the first quarter of the season pre-injury.

It was a regrettable trade, but can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. If there's an organization out there that can absorb it, it's NYY.
here's Sherman's column from today's NY Post  
Victor in CT : 8/11/2020 3:49 pm : link
here's a pleasant thought:

"But for the Yankees, all decisions through at least 2027 begin with this: $58 million. That is the combined annual salary for luxury tax purposes of Gerrit Cole and Stanton (it is a combined $68 million in actual dollars in the largest years). All Yankee budgets short- and long-term have to account for that $58 million (if there continues to be a luxury tax in a new CBA beginning in 2022) and $68 million. So that total impacts whether to retain LeMahieu and Tanaka short-term and/or Judge and Gleyber Torres long-term."

Dumb trade, and geting worse by the day.
Every Yankees decision comes with a Giancarlo Stanton caveat: Sherman - ( New Window )
I love Judge but he also looks to have some injury issues  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2020 3:59 pm : link
he kind of got spared this year otherwise he would have missed half the season again. I think he is going to want close to Trout / Harper type money and if he doesn't find a way to stay healthy we could be in for some big trouble with him and Stanton being paid hefty amounts and not consistently in the lineup.

You have to figure out a way to keep DJLM IMO and probably Tanaka too. Even if finances dictate you need to let go of one of Judge and Torres. If Paxton finds consistency this year, you could keep him and let go of Tanaka but the Yanks don't seem to have enough starters they can count on right now. Hopefully you could convince Tanaka to take a 2 year deal and get to see what you have in Sevy, Schmit, Montgomery and some other young arms. The rules that got put in place are effective, you have to make tough choices in baseball now. Can't believe the Sox had to move Betts but they did spend very aggressively and also have talented young players they need to take care of.

It really seems like these days it's about timing it right, it almost behooves you if you have too much talent in your system coming up at the same time to trade some of it because there isn't a way to win without fair number of talented young players in your lineup regardless of how good your highly paid players are.
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christian : 8/11/2020 4:01 pm : link
Per Baseball Reference, if he doesn't opt out after this year:

2021 $29M (30M from Marlins)
2022 $29M
2023 $32M
2024 $32M
2025 $32M
2026 $29M (10M from Marlins)
2027 $25M (10M from Marlins)
2028 *$25M Team Option, or Marlines pay 10M buyout

Maybe I am reading this wrong -- but with 50M in offsets by the Marlins -- it reads like Stanton could be a Yankee from 2021-2027 for 158M.
DJLM  
bigbluehoya : 8/11/2020 4:02 pm : link
is an interesting case even in a vacuum.

What do you feel comfortable throwing at an already-32-years-old playing the best ball of his career in a free agent market that promises to be a little bit standoffish at large between players and owners? Nevermind that he's a quirky dude who has expressed his comfort and desire to be with the org?

My baseline idea is that you don't resign Tanaka and you basically throw his current money at DJLM for 3 years / $22M. Maybe a Zack Britton-type option that makes it more likely a 2 or 4 year deal.

RE: ...  
shyster : 8/11/2020 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14947837 christian said:
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Per Baseball Reference, if he doesn't opt out after this year:

2021 $29M (30M from Marlins)
2022 $29M
2023 $32M
2024 $32M
2025 $32M
2026 $29M (10M from Marlins)
2027 $25M (10M from Marlins)
2028 *$25M Team Option, or Marlines pay 10M buyout

Maybe I am reading this wrong -- but with 50M in offsets by the Marlins -- it reads like Stanton could be a Yankee from 2021-2027 for 158M.


The $30M from the Marlins is the $10M each year for 2026, 2027 and 2028.

It's not $50M offset.

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The Marlins, with former Yankees star Derek Jeter as their new CEO, will send $30 million to the Yankees if Stanton doesn't exercise his right to opt out of his contract and become a free agent after the 2020 season: $5 million each on July 1 and Oct. 1 in 2026, 2027 and 2028.


breakdown - ( New Window )
I hope Frazier brings the bat.  
section125 : 8/11/2020 4:20 pm : link
He and/or Andujar have to hit. Both can be devastating offensive players.

When is Siegler going to be ready/will he be ready?
Taking the Optimist's View on Stanton  
Jim in Tampa : 8/11/2020 4:22 pm : link
Yanks should be able to finish in the top 8 AL teams without Stanton. So if he comes back and conributes in the playoffs his season will be a net positive.
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christian : 8/11/2020 4:23 pm : link
^ Got it, thanks. I was indeed reading it wrong. I've read a handful of articles that describe the offsets differently. This article looks pretty straight forward.

So from a cash perspective the Yankees have Stanton under control from 2021-2027 at a cost of 188M?
First there was Ellsbury  
Carson53 : 8/11/2020 4:25 pm : link
now Stanton's albatross contract, they are going to rue
picking up that contract. Nice going Cash.
You folks like to give Cash some sugar, you have to hold him accountable as well...that's how it works.
RE: DJLM  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2020 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14947838 bigbluehoya said:
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is an interesting case even in a vacuum.

What do you feel comfortable throwing at an already-32-years-old playing the best ball of his career in a free agent market that promises to be a little bit standoffish at large between players and owners? Nevermind that he's a quirky dude who has expressed his comfort and desire to be with the org?

My baseline idea is that you don't resign Tanaka and you basically throw his current money at DJLM for 3 years / $22M. Maybe a Zack Britton-type option that makes it more likely a 2 or 4 year deal.


Is Paxton also gone in this scenario? That really scares me SP wise. I think you are right DJLM you could get for a real bargain, not sure that low though. He played close to MVP level last year and is going to bring it again this year, plus, players lost money this year the conditions are adverse but I don't think you can get him at $7M per.

I think you could get him optimistically at 2/30 or like 3/39 at the lowest, unless he falls off a cliff this year.
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Carson53 : 8/11/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14947853 christian said:
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^ Got it, thanks. I was indeed reading it wrong. I've read a handful of articles that describe the offsets differently. This article looks pretty straight forward.

So from a cash perspective the Yankees have Stanton under control from 2021-2027 at a cost of 188M?
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Thru 2027, seven more damn years!
Not sure of the total outlay, too much, whatever.
RE: ...  
shyster : 8/11/2020 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14947853 christian said:
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^ Got it, thanks. I was indeed reading it wrong. I've read a handful of articles that describe the offsets differently. This article looks pretty straight forward.

So from a cash perspective the Yankees have Stanton under control from 2021-2027 at a cost of 188M?


Correct. Just a tick under $27M per.
Torres is getting a long term deal, no question  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2020 4:28 pm : link
so its really about fitting in Judge and DJLM at the same time. I bet they can make it work, we just won't be giving out a big contract to our #2 pitcher (and won't really need to if Sevy comes back near 100%).

The Stanton contract isn't ideal, but it also happened before a lot of other things happened, namely DJLM.
RE: First there was Ellsbury  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14947854 Carson53 said:
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now Stanton's albatross contract, they are going to rue
picking up that contract. Nice going Cash.
You folks like to give Cash some sugar, you have to hold him accountable as well...that's how it works.


How exactly can I hold Cashman accountable? Scream out my window that the contract sucks?

He made a move that at the time was a pretty big discount. Over time (especially if COVID didn't happen) the contract wasn't horrendous on a yearly basis, especially over the next 3. Stanton can also play, he's preformed fairly well and just keeps getting these stupid injuries. This isn't Cespedes, not even close.
What do you think is going on with Torres this year  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2020 4:33 pm : link
like COVID related psychological issues?

He didn't seem like the kind of player that could slump this hard. Came to the bigs with so much poise. I'm not really concerned for that same reason but he's definitely not playing the mental part of the game very well right now
I think if DJ  
Carson53 : 8/11/2020 4:36 pm : link
has another good year, he may get something like 3/50.
I wouldn't go more than 3 years. If I had to pick one,
Pax or Tanaka, I would say Tanaka. His elbow has held up,
and Paxton has been injury prone, even as a Yankee.
He's just lucky the season started late, didn't miss time.
Actually, you could make that case for a few Yanks.
I Hold Cashman Accountable...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/11/2020 4:38 pm : link
For landing Gio, Luke and Tauchman for almost nothing.

When is he going to start doing his job and forsee injuries that haven't happened yet?
I agree that Stanton at the time looked like a pretty  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2020 4:38 pm : link
opportunistic value deal. We gave up very little for him and he was coming off an MVP season. He wasn't the healthiest player but he wasn't this fragile either.

His contract today looks terrible but it was much more of a toss up then.

RE: RE: First there was Ellsbury  
Carson53 : 8/11/2020 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14947861 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14947854 Carson53 said:


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now Stanton's albatross contract, they are going to rue
picking up that contract. Nice going Cash.
You folks like to give Cash some sugar, you have to hold him accountable as well...that's how it works.



How exactly can I hold Cashman accountable? Scream out my window that the contract sucks?

He made a move that at the time was a pretty big discount. Over time (especially if COVID didn't happen) the contract wasn't horrendous on a yearly basis, especially over the next 3. Stanton can also play, he's preformed fairly well and just keeps getting these stupid injuries. This isn't Cespedes, not even close.
.

Two bad contracts, you hold a GM accountable, that's how it works. Who cares about Cespedes, does he play for the Yanks, don't give a shit about him or their payroll.
RE: I Hold Cashman Accountable...  
Carson53 : 8/11/2020 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14947869 Jim in Tampa said:
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For landing Gio, Luke and Tauchman for almost nothing.

When is he going to start doing his job and forsee injuries that haven't happened yet?
.

Have you forgot all the pitchers over the years he brought in here and didn't work out.
Don't have recent memory bias.
I am saying he is not as good as some portray him to be.
There is a long list of pitchers by the way.
Just asking, if you took half the GM's in baseball,
gave them the same payroll that Cash has to work with,
could they do the job? I think they very well could.
I think he is an above average GM, with a very big payroll.
Carson  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2020 4:58 pm : link
how do I hold Cashman accountable? Simple question, can I get a simple answer?

I don't bang my fist and scream on the internet for anything in sports, I'm sure as fuck not going to do it for a guy with this kind of track record. Its a move I'd like to be able to take back but at the time it made sense, shit happens.

I brought up Cespedes so you can see how bad a contract can actually be, I thought that was obvious, I shouldn't assume I guess.
Cashman has also shifted to focusing on the bullpen  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2020 5:00 pm : link
because starting pitching is such a crapshoot. He tried making it work and it simply isn't easy. Instead of continuing to bring in guys that either A. aren't good enough or B. can't handle NY he shifted his approach and stayed out of the big FA market until a Cole situation presented itself.

What GM has brought in a bunch of big SP's that all worked out?
RE: RE: I Hold Cashman Accountable...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/11/2020 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14947875 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14947869 Jim in Tampa said:


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For landing Gio, Luke and Tauchman for almost nothing.

When is he going to start doing his job and forsee injuries that haven't happened yet?

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Have you forgot all the pitchers over the years he brought in here and didn't work out.
Don't have recent memory bias.
I am saying he is not as good as some portray him to be.
There is a long list of pitchers by the way.
Just asking, if you took half the GM's in baseball,
gave them the same payroll that Cash has to work with,
could they do the job? I think they very well could.
I think he is an above average GM, with a very big payroll.

I just listed three GREAT moves (Gio, Luke and Tauchman) that had absolutely nothing to do with having a large payroll. Any GM (even the ones with limited budgets) could have traded for any of those three players, but they didn't. Cashman did.
RE: RE: RE: I Hold Cashman Accountable...  
Carson53 : 8/11/2020 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14947890 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14947875 Carson53 said:


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In comment 14947869 Jim in Tampa said:


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For landing Gio, Luke and Tauchman for almost nothing.

When is he going to start doing his job and forsee injuries that haven't happened yet?

.

Have you forgot all the pitchers over the years he brought in here and didn't work out.
Don't have recent memory bias.
I am saying he is not as good as some portray him to be.
There is a long list of pitchers by the way.
Just asking, if you took half the GM's in baseball,
gave them the same payroll that Cash has to work with,
could they do the job? I think they very well could.
I think he is an above average GM, with a very big payroll.


I just listed three GREAT moves (Gio, Luke and Tauchman) that had absolutely nothing to do with having a large payroll. Any GM (even the ones with limited budgets) could have traded for any of those three players, but they didn't. Cashman did.



That's nice, I see you neglected all the mistakes
he has made over the years with pitching.
He got lucky with Gio, are you kidding me,
the guy couldn't hit for six years, then he started hitting last year. We'll see on Luke. You also don't bring in players with similar skill sets to players already on the roster, makes no sense. You have to balance the roster.
He had Gardner, he brings in Ellsbury. He has Judge,
and brings in Stanton. Now he is going to rue both of those contracts, you hold him accountable for that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I Hold Cashman Accountable...  
section125 : 8/11/2020 6:03 pm : link
In comment 14947895 Carson53 said:
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That's nice, I see you neglected all the mistakes
he has made over the years with pitching.
He got lucky with Gio, are you kidding me,
the guy couldn't hit for six years, then he started hitting last year. We'll see on Luke. You also don't bring in players with similar skill sets to players already on the roster, makes no sense. You have to balance the roster.
He had Gardner, he brings in Ellsbury. He has Judge,
and brings in Stanton. Now he is going to rue both of those contracts, you hold him accountable for that.


I agree on Ellsbury, mainly because Gardner was the better player in almost every way except power. And Ellsbury had one good year with power.

But you need three OF and Stanton was LFer while Judge was RFer. I did not have a problem there. Stanton was mostly healthy except the year he got beaned. And hitting with a player of his caliber can last an extremely long time. Simply, you cannot be expected to foresee injuries, especially in players who basically stay healthy.
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christian : 8/11/2020 6:05 pm : link
You can play the injury blame game with lots of players. Aaron Judge missed 100+ games in 2019 and 2020.

Stanton strained a hamstring and will miss 3ish weeks. He's going to be back for the playoffs. When he gets back he'll produce.

In 4 seasons -- when he's a 34-year-old with 4/98 left on his deal -- maybe there is a DH in both leagues and greater demand in the trade market. Maybe the hometown Dodgers or Padres are a destination if the Yankees pitch in some money.

In the mean time he's a prime player, who as it stands, has produced as a Yankee.
What does “neglecting the mistakes” mean?  
UConn4523 : 8/11/2020 6:22 pm : link
unless there’s some sort of flawless GM out there to compare Chasman too what’s the point of that comment?

Cashman has admitted some of his miscalculations. They are going to happen and for him, he’s done a good job limiting them. But what productivity will we get out of continually discussing them? Is that what holding him accountable means? If so go start a thread on all of his horrible moves, I’m sure it will be wildly productive.

Fact is he’s positioned this team for sustained success despite his misses. If we can ever beat the injury bug we will go from a yearly top 2 team in the MLB to the unquestionable top team in the league. What more do you want?

It’s on the players now, get/stay healthy and produce. Cashman a job is to continue finding bargains and strike on bigger acquisitions when the timing is right.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I Hold Cashman Accountable...  
rich in DC : 8/11/2020 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14947895 Carson53 said:
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In comment 14947890 Jim in Tampa said:


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In comment 14947875 Carson53 said:


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In comment 14947869 Jim in Tampa said:


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For landing Gio, Luke and Tauchman for almost nothing.

When is he going to start doing his job and forsee injuries that haven't happened yet?

.

Have you forgot all the pitchers over the years he brought in here and didn't work out.
Don't have recent memory bias.
I am saying he is not as good as some portray him to be.
There is a long list of pitchers by the way.
Just asking, if you took half the GM's in baseball,
gave them the same payroll that Cash has to work with,
could they do the job? I think they very well could.
I think he is an above average GM, with a very big payroll.


I just listed three GREAT moves (Gio, Luke and Tauchman) that had absolutely nothing to do with having a large payroll. Any GM (even the ones with limited budgets) could have traded for any of those three players, but they didn't. Cashman did.




That's nice, I see you neglected all the mistakes
he has made over the years with pitching.
He got lucky with Gio, are you kidding me,
the guy couldn't hit for six years, then he started hitting last year. We'll see on Luke. You also don't bring in players with similar skill sets to players already on the roster, makes no sense. You have to balance the roster.
He had Gardner, he brings in Ellsbury. He has Judge,
and brings in Stanton. Now he is going to rue both of those contracts, you hold him accountable for that.


This team has the most balanced roster in the game, and you want to try and argue it isn’t? Show me another team with a 4th OF like Tauchman. Show me a team that has a backup 3B like Andujar. Show me a deeper bullpen or SP depth. Maybe backup C is a weakness.

But don’t let facts get in the way of a dumb and pointless rant.
Yanks are loaded  
djm : 8/11/2020 9:16 pm : link
If Stanton is hurt they have a bunch of awesome kids that can and will play well. If Stanton is healthy he’s an awesome bat in the middle of the lineup. Marlins pay some of it. There are more dire things to worry about if you ask me.
RE: Torres is getting a long term deal, no question  
BigBluesman : 8/12/2020 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14947859 UConn4523 said:
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so its really about fitting in Judge and DJLM at the same time. I bet they can make it work, we just won't be giving out a big contract to our #2 pitcher (and won't really need to if Sevy comes back near 100%).

The Stanton contract isn't ideal, but it also happened before a lot of other things happened, namely DJLM.

Yeah, I have to agree that Torres is priority 1A, this slump be damned.

You guys are all right, Stanton isn't going anywhere.
RE: RE: DJLM  
bigbluehoya : 8/12/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14947855 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 14947838 bigbluehoya said:


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is an interesting case even in a vacuum.

What do you feel comfortable throwing at an already-32-years-old playing the best ball of his career in a free agent market that promises to be a little bit standoffish at large between players and owners? Nevermind that he's a quirky dude who has expressed his comfort and desire to be with the org?

My baseline idea is that you don't resign Tanaka and you basically throw his current money at DJLM for 3 years / $22M. Maybe a Zack Britton-type option that makes it more likely a 2 or 4 year deal.




Is Paxton also gone in this scenario? That really scares me SP wise. I think you are right DJLM you could get for a real bargain, not sure that low though. He played close to MVP level last year and is going to bring it again this year, plus, players lost money this year the conditions are adverse but I don't think you can get him at $7M per.

I think you could get him optimistically at 2/30 or like 3/39 at the lowest, unless he falls off a cliff this year.


sorry - I didn't mean $7M per. that would be absurd. I meant 3y x $22M.

I don't know what to say about Paxton. I don't know how many teams would be lining up to compete on the bidding for a guy like that. I think you can either get him for 3-4 years on something reasonable ($50M?), or quite easily go year to year with him somewhere around $15M if he likes being here. This is one of those scenarios where a GM can earn his paycheck by building in some optionality. One year deal for $15M with 2 team option years at $17M and $20M and a $3M buyout?

The uncertainty with the SPs is one reason to find a way to get Schmidt on to the 40-man and take a decent look this year.

I think you tentatively plan on bringing back at least one of Tanaka/Paxton on a short deal. Perhaps both if Severino doesn't appear to be on track for a return by 7/1/21.

Cole
Paxton/Tanaka
Sevy (7/1)
Montgomery
Schmidt/Hale/Loaisiga/King/Garcia/Yajure?/Gil?

Happ could be another option on a very cheap 1 year after his option doesn't vest this year.





unless one of  
RasputinPrime : 8/12/2020 1:29 pm : link
Schmidt/Garcia/King really flash in 2020, I expect we will move some top prospects for a starter. We have significant lower level assets but our system overall is really low ranking.

We need some of our 22-24 year old arms to perform at this level.
I bet Paxton gets more than you think  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2020 1:34 pm : link
5 years for $100m I would imagine
Cashman is a product of unlimited funds  
arniefez : 8/12/2020 1:41 pm : link
and unlimited family loyalty. The Yankees have literally spent billions on payroll since 2001 and have won 1 WS. They have become the Red Sox bitch on Cashman's watch. But carry on that he he has won some good recent dumpster dives. The entire Rays roster is a dumpster dive for 50 million and they're better at baseball than the Yankees.
RE: Cashman is a product of unlimited funds  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2020 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14948459 arniefez said:
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and unlimited family loyalty. The Yankees have literally spent billions on payroll since 2001 and have won 1 WS. They have become the Red Sox bitch on Cashman's watch. But carry on that he he has won some good recent dumpster dives. The entire Rays roster is a dumpster dive for 50 million and they're better at baseball than the Yankees.


So why haven't the Rays won anything...ever? Why haven't the Dodgers with their top payroll won anything? How come the Sox spent tops in Baseball in 2019 miss the playoffs entirely?

Awful post, not shocked.
RE: Cashman is a product of unlimited funds  
djm : 8/12/2020 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14948459 arniefez said:
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and unlimited family loyalty. The Yankees have literally spent billions on payroll since 2001 and have won 1 WS. They have become the Red Sox bitch on Cashman's watch. But carry on that he he has won some good recent dumpster dives. The entire Rays roster is a dumpster dive for 50 million and they're better at baseball than the Yankees.


BLA BLA FUCKING BLA.

Lets see how many WS wins the Rays and Sox have over the next 20 years compared to the Yanks. Sox had an amazing decade and they paid as much or more for their titles as any team has. Good for them, well earned. Lets see them do it again and again like the Yanks have.

If you don't think Cashman is as well regarded a front office EXEC as anyone, you're a fucking fool.

The rays "greatness" comment isn't even worth the effort. Wake me up when they win a series in late september or october. TIA. Good for them too...and LOL at them in a big sustained moment. As east.
RE: I bet Paxton gets more than you think  
bigbluehoya : 8/12/2020 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14948455 UConn4523 said:
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5 years for $100m I would imagine


Gross. Will be 32 by the end of the WS this season, and has never pitched more than 160 innings. Miss me with that.
RE: RE: I bet Paxton gets more than you think  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2020 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14948500 bigbluehoya said:
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5 years for $100m I would imagine



Gross. Will be 32 by the end of the WS this season, and has never pitched more than 160 innings. Miss me with that.


I hear you. I see that Wheeler deal as his floor for the most part, maybe slightly less because of age/injury and COVID revenues but I doubt it. He has that #1 potential that someone will want to try and tap into.
the Yankees are not the Red Sox  
RasputinPrime : 8/12/2020 3:15 pm : link
but bloaded rotation salaries tanked that franchise really quickly. I love Pax and Tanaka but we need to be really careful particularly with ownership insisting on fiscal responsibility. Having Stanton on the books during his post-peak years is going to make it critical that the big money contracts are carefully doled out.

At this point i'm not seeing Sanchez getting one of those deals. Really sucks to be a catcher in MLB.
RE: RE: RE: I bet Paxton gets more than you think  
bigbluehoya : 8/12/2020 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14948507 UConn4523 said:
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5 years for $100m I would imagine



Gross. Will be 32 by the end of the WS this season, and has never pitched more than 160 innings. Miss me with that.



I hear you. I see that Wheeler deal as his floor for the most part, maybe slightly less because of age/injury and COVID revenues but I doubt it. He has that #1 potential that someone will want to try and tap into.


you may not be wrong at the end of the day, but I'd note that Wheeler was 2.5 years younger and had thrice eclipsed 180 innings, including the prior 2 seasons consecutively.
yeah, they are certainly big factors  
UConn4523 : 8/12/2020 3:39 pm : link
Paxton may not get that 5th year at top money (maybe its a club option) and instead gets a 4 year $88m deal with an option to be more/longer.

He's got the better ERA and K's/9 and had some really good seasons (especially 2017) while also in the AL.

Its close - his yearly salary will be comparable.
the Yankees are not the Red Sox  
RasputinPrime : 8/12/2020 4:12 pm : link
but bloaded rotation salaries tanked that franchise really quickly. I love Pax and Tanaka but we need to be really careful particularly with ownership insisting on fiscal responsibility. Having Stanton on the books during his post-peak years is going to make it critical that the big money contracts are carefully doled out.

At this point i'm not seeing Sanchez getting one of those deals. Really sucks to be a catcher in MLB.
A lot of good questions here.  
Matt M. : 8/12/2020 4:29 pm : link
I absolutely love Tanaka, but can't see signing him to anything longer than 3 years. I doubt he accepts that. Paxton I can do without. As much as I love Judge, I would let somebody else pay him obscene money for a long deal. Too many injuries and not enough consistency. Torres, I want to keep.

DJLM is the toughest one in my estimation. I really want to retain him. He has been perfect for the Yankees both at the plate and in the field. But, he's already on the other side of 30 and playing, by far, the best baseball of his career. This is probably his best and only shot at a real payday. I just can't see paying him over $20M per year and/or a deal 5 years or greater. If he accepts less on both fronts, then I am all for re-signing him. I just think he is going to want more.
Judge out of the lineup  
bigbluehoya : 8/12/2020 4:39 pm : link
with lower body tightness.

womp
RE: A lot of good questions here.  
Victor in CT : 8/12/2020 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14948588 Matt M. said:
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I absolutely love Tanaka, but can't see signing him to anything longer than 3 years. I doubt he accepts that. Paxton I can do without. As much as I love Judge, I would let somebody else pay him obscene money for a long deal. Too many injuries and not enough consistency. Torres, I want to keep.

DJLM is the toughest one in my estimation. I really want to retain him. He has been perfect for the Yankees both at the plate and in the field. But, he's already on the other side of 30 and playing, by far, the best baseball of his career. This is probably his best and only shot at a real payday. I just can't see paying him over $20M per year and/or a deal 5 years or greater. If he accepts less on both fronts, then I am all for re-signing him. I just think he is going to want more.


great points, and I agree on all. They can't carry Stanton and Judge long term because neither can stay on the field.

I love Lemahieu. I was skeptical about his numbers being from COL, but man do i like him. He plays BASEBALL. hits to all fields. puts the ball in play. nothing more boring than. K,BB, HR.

If Crash Davis thought Ks were fascist, would would he call what we have now? :-)
RE: A lot of good questions here.  
RasputinPrime : 8/12/2020 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14948588 Matt M. said:
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I absolutely love Tanaka, but can't see signing him to anything longer than 3 years. I doubt he accepts that. Paxton I can do without. As much as I love Judge, I would let somebody else pay him obscene money for a long deal. Too many injuries and not enough consistency. Torres, I want to keep.

DJLM is the toughest one in my estimation. I really want to retain him. He has been perfect for the Yankees both at the plate and in the field. But, he's already on the other side of 30 and playing, by far, the best baseball of his career. This is probably his best and only shot at a real payday. I just can't see paying him over $20M per year and/or a deal 5 years or greater. If he accepts less on both fronts, then I am all for re-signing him. I just think he is going to want more.


It's not my money, so i greedily want DJ, Judge and Paxton signed. However, you have to perform on the field to get paid.

I'd prefer they get Judge some better money immediately and get him signed up through 2025. DJ will likely get a longer term deal from someone else and we have alot of young talent in the middle infield that may be ready to take a spot in 2022.

Starting pitching is an absolute need. The Nats won the WS last year behind that rotation and carefully inserted vets in that lineup. If we don't sign Pax or Tanaka i'd really like to know where the horses are going to come from.
I don't think age is super relevant with DJLM  
NoGainDayne : 8/12/2020 6:01 pm : link
to me his game is getting more clever. He has smart at bats and so much plate coverage. He can get hits off bad pitches. I listed my optimistic numbers but I think you could get him for something like 4/72 and i'd do that.

In terms of what actually could get a contract done I see Tanaka at something like 4/88 and I think Paxton 5 / 100 makes sense to me.

It becomes an incredibly tough call. Because if you are talking about Judge and one of those guys vs the 3 of them and no Judge, I think, given our farm / depth (if we can swing Andujar in left especially) you'd have to go with those 3 over Judge + 1 of them. When I think you'd be lucky to get Judge at 10/350 even after more up and down seasons with injuries.

Judge is my favorite Yankee in a while honestly so it pains me to look at it like this and ideally we could sign everyone. Tanaka or Pax + DJLM + Judge might be doable without the expectation of paying Sanchez. But correct me if i'm wrong since we are over the luxury tax threshold this year we need to get under it next year?



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