yes, I feel worst for the athletes - one of our kids played all four years of varsity soccer at a D1 school and it was a huge part of his college experience.
Will be interesting to see if any conferences *don't* cancel their seasons.
Definitely sucks but they made the right choice...
Everyone has to make sacrifices during these times. Hopefully people don't blame the ones trying to be responsible and focus on the ones who are blatantly disregarding the safety measures put in place.
Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
yes, I feel worst for the athletes - one of our kids played all four years of varsity soccer at a D1 school and it was a huge part of his college experience.
Will be interesting to see if any conferences *don't* cancel their seasons.
My alma mater (Old Dominion) cancelled fall sports but the conference (CUSA) said they are still planning on playing.
I bet the ACC and SEC are going to do whatever they can to play this season.
yes, I feel worst for the athletes - one of our kids played all four years of varsity soccer at a D1 school and it was a huge part of his college experience.
Will be interesting to see if any conferences *don't* cancel their seasons.
Going to make for a very interesting NFL draft next year.
Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Are you serious. You think all it would take to end this thing is for people to wear masks?
They won't have to deal with the coaches and staffs constant supervision, well maintained environments and all those practices and meetings. Now they can stay isolated in the dorms with so much time off studying.
Perhaps a couple of them venture out with all the free time on their hands. Maybe more visits home, weekend getaways, parties all while indulging in more booze......and women.
They won't have to deal with the coaches and staffs constant supervision, well maintained environments and all those practices and meetings. Now they can stay isolated in the dorms with so much time off studying.
Perhaps a couple of them venture out with all the free time on their hands. Maybe more visits home, weekend getaways, parties all while indulging in more booze......and women.
Boomer had a similar take this morning only more subtle than you. Get your pt though, hard to argue against it.
Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Are you serious. You think all it would take to end this thing is for people to wear masks?
Did I say that? No, no I didn't.
But we are seeing the consequences of a sizable minority of Americans (some estimates have 45%) not wearing masks and not slowing down some of the growth in the pandemic.
They won't have to deal with the coaches and staffs constant supervision, well maintained environments and all those practices and meetings. Now they can stay isolated in the dorms with so much time off studying.
Perhaps a couple of them venture out with all the free time on their hands. Maybe more visits home, weekend getaways, parties all while indulging in more booze......and women.
Oh no! These mindless jocks! We must save them from themselves!
I saw the Nebraska coach on TV last night saying that they'll play whoever will play them, regardless of conference.
I have no idea if that's realistic or just talk.
In a weird way, we should savor this moment as fans, because it's unique. All the planning and organization of CFB is out the window. It's every school for itself, tryin' to find opponents. It's gonna be like a barnstorming team booking games wherever they can find someone to show up. Loose, crazy... and, if they can keep their players healthy, it'll be strange and unique.
(Personally, I don't think there's a chance in hell of keeping players healthy, but I'd love to be wrong.)
Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Are you serious. You think all it would take to end this thing is for people to wear masks?
Did I say that? No, no I didn't.
But we are seeing the consequences of a sizable minority of Americans (some estimates have 45%) not wearing masks and not slowing down some of the growth in the pandemic.
So is non-mask wearing an issue. Yup.
Maybe I read your post wrong. Aren’t you implying there would be football if people wore masks? “Now we have this. “.
But I’ve heard people in favor cancelling football argue that large campuses are a safer “bubble.” Kids largely wont wear masks or socially distance and I don’t see how it’s enforceable
This move affects much more than the football program
This is the correct move but it is devastating to the university. I am a season ticket holder and booster of Maryland. We normally receive $52 million from our football TV contract.
The money not only helps the other non revenue sports here. That includes lacrosse, soccer, field hockey etc. The university has to figure out how to not only worry about the athletes but the general population. Is there going to be a tuition increase?
This decision is much more far reaching than the football team alone.
Oh on the Nebraska coach Scott Frost, he is full of it. Nebraska has not been an influential team in over 10 years. They have a contract with the B10 just as all the members do. Nebraska sports in general in on a major down swing.
This is the correct move but it is devastating to the university. I am a season ticket holder and booster of Maryland. We normally receive $52 million from our football TV contract.
The money not only helps the other non revenue sports here. That includes lacrosse, soccer, field hockey etc. The university has to figure out how to not only worry about the athletes but the general population. Is there going to be a tuition increase?
This decision is much more far reaching than the football team alone.
Oh on the Nebraska coach Scott Frost, he is full of it. Nebraska has not been an influential team in over 10 years. They have a contract with the B10 just as all the members do. Nebraska sports in general in on a major down swing.
If you re convinced canceling the season keeps this kids safer from Covid, I suppose it is the right decision.
The whole situation of football this Fall reminded me of something.
“ In Greek mythology Sisyphus or Sisyphos was the king of Ephyra. He was punished for his self-aggrandizing craftiness and deceitfulness by being forced to roll an immense boulder up a hill only for it to roll down every time it neared the top, repeating this action for eternity.”
Cancelling Football is not going to stop the spread of the virus
If schools are open kids are going to be kids. Not wear masks, go to parties and spread the virus. Schools are not prepared to handle this virus right now. If there is an outbreak on campus it will be a logistical nightmare. Testing is not reliable either, too many companies are making testing kits too fast and many are not very good and giving false positives and negatives.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
If schools are open kids are going to be kids. Not wear masks, go to parties and spread the virus. Schools are not prepared to handle this virus right now. If there is an outbreak on campus it will be a logistical nightmare. Testing is not reliable either, too many companies are making testing kits too fast and many are not very good and giving false positives and negatives.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
The problem is that college sports features moving organizations all over the country weekly. LOTS of FLIGHTS. Up here in NY, I can tell you to stay the fekk outta my state til' yours is clean!
RE: RE: Cancelling Football is not going to stop the spread of the virus
If schools are open kids are going to be kids. Not wear masks, go to parties and spread the virus. Schools are not prepared to handle this virus right now. If there is an outbreak on campus it will be a logistical nightmare. Testing is not reliable either, too many companies are making testing kits too fast and many are not very good and giving false positives and negatives.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
The problem is that college sports features moving organizations all over the country weekly. LOTS of FLIGHTS. Up here in NY, I can tell you to stay the fekk outta my state til' yours is clean!
Wouldn't visiting teams have to quarantine for 14 days before they can go out and compete?
It's funny, so many of the people in southern/midwestern states who have been so steadfast against wearing a mask are the same people who are losing their minds over no college football.
It's funny, so many of the people in southern/midwestern states who have been so steadfast against wearing a mask are the same people who are losing their minds over no college football.
The Big 10 has campuses in 10 states, in 14 counties. The logistics and cost variability to organize a season of football in the Fall, with ever changing public health policies and travel policies is a major factor.
Despite a majorly paired down production — hosting, producing, traveling, and staffing a game and TV broadcast takes hundreds of people.
It’s not simply “are kids safer on campus than at home.”
If schools are open kids are going to be kids. Not wear masks, go to parties and spread the virus. Schools are not prepared to handle this virus right now. If there is an outbreak on campus it will be a logistical nightmare. Testing is not reliable either, too many companies are making testing kits too fast and many are not very good and giving false positives and negatives.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
The problem is that college sports features moving organizations all over the country weekly. LOTS of FLIGHTS. Up here in NY, I can tell you to stay the fekk outta my state til' yours is clean!
I live in North Carolina and 1/3 of the license plates are NY and New Jersey. Its no wonder as soon as summer hit we had a spike. You guys brought it here.
In any case, life has to get back to some sense of normal. I know people say that sports isnt important but its not about the sport, its about the money. the economy has to keep chugging along. Collge football is a revenue driver that supports a lot of other entities. Just like they support other sports they also help other industries. Bars, hotels, airlines just to name a few. Killing a season will put a lot of other businesses out if they were to survive somehow.
How long can a country run on bare minimums? Financially I have been affected as have many others. We have families to feed and that can't happen if things continue to shut down. The government can't just keep shelling out money. I wear a mask and do what I have to do and will continue to do that. If everyone would follow protocols life would get better much quicker instead of fighting it.
It's funny, so many of the people in southern/midwestern states who have been so steadfast against wearing a mask are the same people who are losing their minds over no college football.
If only they were able to put 2 and 2 together...
What’s your explanation for California then? Oh and I believe I read they had understated by a meager 300,000 cases too
It's funny, so many of the people in southern/midwestern states who have been so steadfast against wearing a mask are the same people who are losing their minds over no college football.
If only they were able to put 2 and 2 together...
What’s your explanation for California then? Oh and I believe I read they had understated by a meager 300,000 cases too
I mean, you're not going to find one specific explanation that covers the entire state. There are going to be a lot of factors in play to create the perfect storm.
California is huge. Some parts had spikes, others didn't.
Several areas in California had people gathering in large groups - in many cases with no masks as soon as restrictions eased. People flooded beaches and public spots. Some gyms and other indoor places opened too quickly.
Nursing homes, lower income communities, population density/multi-family dwellings.
They curtailed it when they locked down, and then Newsom fast-tracked reopening and they spiked. It's probably as simple as that. People blew through phases too quickly and case numbers jumped.
I get that no one wants the country to be locked down forever, people need to work - I hear all of that and am not advocating for excruciatingly long, nation-wide lockdowns.
But, if reopening isn't phased correctly and done properly, it's very easy to move in reverse very quickly.
New York was an absolute mess in the beginning of this, but the reopening phases have been done pretty well here and our numbers continue to improve and look good. There's a lot to criticize Cuomo for, and at the risk of delving into politics, I'll leave it there - but for the most part, it's been managed well here over the last few months.
We had 11,500 cases in April. We're under 700 now. Deaths have been under 10 a day each day in August thus far. 700+ people a day were dying in most of April.
So, significant improvement. Masks and being responsible works. It *doesn't* work when people start listening to looney YouTube "scientists" telling them that wearing a mask is dangerous or will have you inhaling toxins/bacteria that will make you sick.
Hospital workers and construction workers wear masks for several hours every single day. They live to tell the tale.
The outright refusal to wear a mask in public by people in some of these states is ridiculous. No one's asking anyone to wear it at home or wear it to bed or wear it in the car.
Just wear it in public around other people. Otherwise, we all just keep doing this dance until there's an effective vaccine and we make no progress.
"I wear a mask and do what I have to do and will continue to do that. If everyone would follow protocols life would get better much quicker instead of fighting it."
Last Friday night I was actually told by my wife's son in law that "patriots don't wear masks." He also called this a "plandemic".
Will be interesting to see if any conferences *don't* cancel their seasons.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Yep...key word here kicker is liability.
Will be interesting to see if any conferences *don't* cancel their seasons.
My alma mater (Old Dominion) cancelled fall sports but the conference (CUSA) said they are still planning on playing.
I bet the ACC and SEC are going to do whatever they can to play this season.
I have no idea if that's realistic or just talk.
Will be interesting to see if any conferences *don't* cancel their seasons.
Going to make for a very interesting NFL draft next year.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Are you serious. You think all it would take to end this thing is for people to wear masks?
Perhaps a couple of them venture out with all the free time on their hands. Maybe more visits home, weekend getaways, parties all while indulging in more booze......and women.
Perhaps a couple of them venture out with all the free time on their hands. Maybe more visits home, weekend getaways, parties all while indulging in more booze......and women.
Boomer had a similar take this morning only more subtle than you. Get your pt though, hard to argue against it.
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Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Are you serious. You think all it would take to end this thing is for people to wear masks?
Did I say that? No, no I didn't.
But we are seeing the consequences of a sizable minority of Americans (some estimates have 45%) not wearing masks and not slowing down some of the growth in the pandemic.
So is non-mask wearing an issue. Yup.
Perhaps a couple of them venture out with all the free time on their hands. Maybe more visits home, weekend getaways, parties all while indulging in more booze......and women.
Oh no! These mindless jocks! We must save them from themselves!
The whole premise is ridiculous.
I have no idea if that's realistic or just talk.
(Personally, I don't think there's a chance in hell of keeping players healthy, but I'd love to be wrong.)
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Absolutely sucks that, beyond the death and morbidity toll of this virus, that people can't suck it up and wear masks, because now we have this.
But playing sports at a college in a pandemic is a potentially massive liability issue that universities are all struggling with (and largely failing).
Are you serious. You think all it would take to end this thing is for people to wear masks?
Did I say that? No, no I didn't.
But we are seeing the consequences of a sizable minority of Americans (some estimates have 45%) not wearing masks and not slowing down some of the growth in the pandemic.
So is non-mask wearing an issue. Yup.
Maybe I read your post wrong. Aren’t you implying there would be football if people wore masks? “Now we have this. “.
The money not only helps the other non revenue sports here. That includes lacrosse, soccer, field hockey etc. The university has to figure out how to not only worry about the athletes but the general population. Is there going to be a tuition increase?
This decision is much more far reaching than the football team alone.
Oh on the Nebraska coach Scott Frost, he is full of it. Nebraska has not been an influential team in over 10 years. They have a contract with the B10 just as all the members do. Nebraska sports in general in on a major down swing.
I have no idea if that's realistic or just talk.
Not happening. The B1G Pres already said if they do that they can forget ever playing in the B1G again.
The money not only helps the other non revenue sports here. That includes lacrosse, soccer, field hockey etc. The university has to figure out how to not only worry about the athletes but the general population. Is there going to be a tuition increase?
This decision is much more far reaching than the football team alone.
Oh on the Nebraska coach Scott Frost, he is full of it. Nebraska has not been an influential team in over 10 years. They have a contract with the B10 just as all the members do. Nebraska sports in general in on a major down swing.
If you re convinced canceling the season keeps this kids safer from Covid, I suppose it is the right decision.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
2020 B10 Co-Champions!
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
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If schools are open kids are going to be kids. Not wear masks, go to parties and spread the virus. Schools are not prepared to handle this virus right now. If there is an outbreak on campus it will be a logistical nightmare. Testing is not reliable either, too many companies are making testing kits too fast and many are not very good and giving false positives and negatives.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
The problem is that college sports features moving organizations all over the country weekly. LOTS of FLIGHTS. Up here in NY, I can tell you to stay the fekk outta my state til' yours is clean!
Wouldn't visiting teams have to quarantine for 14 days before they can go out and compete?
If only they were able to put 2 and 2 together...
If only they were able to put 2 and 2 together...
The those states' match scores would be higher?
Despite a majorly paired down production — hosting, producing, traveling, and staffing a game and TV broadcast takes hundreds of people.
It’s not simply “are kids safer on campus than at home.”
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If schools are open kids are going to be kids. Not wear masks, go to parties and spread the virus. Schools are not prepared to handle this virus right now. If there is an outbreak on campus it will be a logistical nightmare. Testing is not reliable either, too many companies are making testing kits too fast and many are not very good and giving false positives and negatives.
If a campus is open they should allow sports with no fans in my opinion. The risk is not any greater than having students in a class or just on campus in general. Most schools are not taking precautions or testing all students, at least sports are testing the students, taking temperatures and trying to keep athletes safe.
The problem is that college sports features moving organizations all over the country weekly. LOTS of FLIGHTS. Up here in NY, I can tell you to stay the fekk outta my state til' yours is clean!
I live in North Carolina and 1/3 of the license plates are NY and New Jersey. Its no wonder as soon as summer hit we had a spike. You guys brought it here.
In any case, life has to get back to some sense of normal. I know people say that sports isnt important but its not about the sport, its about the money. the economy has to keep chugging along. Collge football is a revenue driver that supports a lot of other entities. Just like they support other sports they also help other industries. Bars, hotels, airlines just to name a few. Killing a season will put a lot of other businesses out if they were to survive somehow.
How long can a country run on bare minimums? Financially I have been affected as have many others. We have families to feed and that can't happen if things continue to shut down. The government can't just keep shelling out money. I wear a mask and do what I have to do and will continue to do that. If everyone would follow protocols life would get better much quicker instead of fighting it.
If only they were able to put 2 and 2 together...
What’s your explanation for California then? Oh and I believe I read they had understated by a meager 300,000 cases too
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It's funny, so many of the people in southern/midwestern states who have been so steadfast against wearing a mask are the same people who are losing their minds over no college football.
If only they were able to put 2 and 2 together...
What’s your explanation for California then? Oh and I believe I read they had understated by a meager 300,000 cases too
I mean, you're not going to find one specific explanation that covers the entire state. There are going to be a lot of factors in play to create the perfect storm.
California is huge. Some parts had spikes, others didn't.
Several areas in California had people gathering in large groups - in many cases with no masks as soon as restrictions eased. People flooded beaches and public spots. Some gyms and other indoor places opened too quickly.
Nursing homes, lower income communities, population density/multi-family dwellings.
They curtailed it when they locked down, and then Newsom fast-tracked reopening and they spiked. It's probably as simple as that. People blew through phases too quickly and case numbers jumped.
I get that no one wants the country to be locked down forever, people need to work - I hear all of that and am not advocating for excruciatingly long, nation-wide lockdowns.
But, if reopening isn't phased correctly and done properly, it's very easy to move in reverse very quickly.
New York was an absolute mess in the beginning of this, but the reopening phases have been done pretty well here and our numbers continue to improve and look good. There's a lot to criticize Cuomo for, and at the risk of delving into politics, I'll leave it there - but for the most part, it's been managed well here over the last few months.
We had 11,500 cases in April. We're under 700 now. Deaths have been under 10 a day each day in August thus far. 700+ people a day were dying in most of April.
So, significant improvement. Masks and being responsible works. It *doesn't* work when people start listening to looney YouTube "scientists" telling them that wearing a mask is dangerous or will have you inhaling toxins/bacteria that will make you sick.
Hospital workers and construction workers wear masks for several hours every single day. They live to tell the tale.
The outright refusal to wear a mask in public by people in some of these states is ridiculous. No one's asking anyone to wear it at home or wear it to bed or wear it in the car.
Just wear it in public around other people. Otherwise, we all just keep doing this dance until there's an effective vaccine and we make no progress.
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I saw the Nebraska coach on TV last night saying that they'll play whoever will play them, regardless of conference.
I have no idea if that's realistic or just talk.
Not happening. The B1G Pres already said if they do that they can forget ever playing in the B1G again.
Stu, I hope so. Feels like half of these college coaches are now auditioning for congressional runs down the road.
Last Friday night I was actually told by my wife's son in law that "patriots don't wear masks." He also called this a "plandemic".