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NFT: Charlie Blackmon

Dnew15 : 8/12/2020 1:47 pm
If Blackmon, who's currently hitting .500 (34/68) 18 games into a 60 game season (almost a 1/3 of the way home), hits over .400 in this shortened season - is it legit?

Does he, in your mind and/or in the record books, become the most modern baseball player to hit .400 in a season?

If he breaks Ted Williams modern day era record of hitting .406 in a season, is it legit - or does it get the dreaded asterisk?

I don't think he will - but that's not the question :)
I imagine he would need to hit a minimum  
JayBinQueens : 8/12/2020 1:52 pm : link
amount of ABs that he most likely won't hit in a 60 game season
Hell no  
Greg from LI : 8/12/2020 1:52 pm : link
He won't get enough ABs to qualify in a normal season, so it shouldn't count. Seems elementary to me.
No, not legit IMO  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/12/2020 1:52 pm : link
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it would be an excellent 60 game stretch  
GiantNatty : 8/12/2020 1:55 pm : link
nothing more, nothing less.
This small of a sample size  
redwhiteandbigblue : 8/12/2020 1:56 pm : link
All statistics get thrown out. Under 40% of a season.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/12/2020 1:58 pm : link
He has to hit something like .360 the rest of the way to wind up @ .400+

It's doable but still unlikely.
Not legit  
Jints in Carolina : 8/12/2020 2:03 pm : link
but fun to watch
RE: Hell no  
mfsd : 8/12/2020 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14948464 Greg from LI said:
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He won't get enough ABs to qualify in a normal season, so it shouldn't count. Seems elementary to me.


Yup, end of discussion
minimum number of ABs not on the table  
RasputinPrime : 8/12/2020 2:26 pm : link
so this is just for show. I'm good with that and I hope he gets it. It will make for some fun arguments in years to come with Rockies' fans.
of course not  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/12/2020 3:01 pm : link
.
RE: Hell no  
Victor in CT : 8/12/2020 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14948464 Greg from LI said:
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He won't get enough ABs to qualify in a normal season, so it shouldn't count. Seems elementary to me.


Thank you. Same goes for ERA records.
RE: .  
Victor in CT : 8/12/2020 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14948470 arcarsenal said:
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He has to hit something like .360 the rest of the way to wind up @ .400+

It's doable but still unlikely.


Cody Bellinger hit .400 until May 21 last year. 50 games.
It gets an asterisk  
Vanzetti : 8/12/2020 5:21 pm : link
But it still counts. If he beats Ted, he beats him
If a Colorado Rockie...  
BC Eagles94 : 8/12/2020 5:36 pm : link
Hit .400 in a normal year, it would have an asterisk in my eyes. Anyone hitting .400 this year in a shortened season would have an asterisk. A Rockie in a shortened season?! Forget an asterisk, shouldn't even be mentioned. There is a reason that since the Colorado Rockies existed they've had 2 of the top 3 highest averages (Larry Walker & Todd Helton), and it isn't a coincidence. The other was Tony Gwynn in the strike shortened season.
Absolutely not  
Tuckrule : 8/13/2020 8:24 am : link
Hitting 400 in 60 games isn’t the same thing as batting 400 for a full season. DiMaggio hit 408 during his 56 game hit streak.
It may be an  
section125 : 8/13/2020 8:49 am : link
asterisk, but DJLM is right there too and it is still a legit .400 ba. Not sure how MLB handles it, but all the players can do is play.
Will it compare with Ted's .400, no not really.
It's a very good 60 game stretch  
Carson53 : 8/13/2020 10:22 am : link
That's a little more than one third of a season, so to me,
it would be double asterisks. I am not sure you can call it legit at all.
RE: If a Colorado Rockie...  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2020 10:41 am : link
In comment 14948641 BC Eagles94 said:
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Hit .400 in a normal year, it would have an asterisk in my eyes. Anyone hitting .400 this year in a shortened season would have an asterisk. A Rockie in a shortened season?! Forget an asterisk, shouldn't even be mentioned. There is a reason that since the Colorado Rockies existed they've had 2 of the top 3 highest averages (Larry Walker & Todd Helton), and it isn't a coincidence. The other was Tony Gwynn in the strike shortened season.


Ehh, Nomar had a year along with Heltons best, Ichiro had 3 seasons over .350 (including .372), Bonds hit .370, Mauer .365, Chipper, Magglio, Bonds again, etc etc.

I'll give you HR's in Colorado but I'm not seeing it with batting average - .400 is .400 IMO.
Yeah, no.  
Beezer : 8/13/2020 10:50 am : link
Ken Reitz comes to mind. Perhaps the best hitter in the universe, all-time, the first 20 games of seasons. Then ... well, career stats.

Blackmon, in every way, is a MUCH better ball player than Reitz ever was. But I think, even in a shortened season, he ends up nowhere near .400. After all, he's a .307 career hitter.

Then again, George Brett hit .390 in the middle of his .305-career.

What the hell do I know?

Still, if he were to hit .400-plus, it's got asterisks hanging all over it.
this season  
nyfootballfan : 8/13/2020 11:11 am : link
is a tournament , not much more.
I agree with a lot of what's being said...  
Dnew15 : 8/13/2020 12:01 pm : link
So if people (generally speaking) aren't accepting of individual records from an historic perspective - is there a point to handing out any single season awards?

For example, should the MLB forgo a batting title this year? Following the logic of many posters - no one will qualify for it due to the AB rule.

What about a triple crown? No good?

And if that's the case - should MLB forgo MVP and Cy Young awards for the season?

RE: I agree with a lot of what's being said...  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2020 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14948997 Dnew15 said:
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So if people (generally speaking) aren't accepting of individual records from an historic perspective - is there a point to handing out any single season awards?

For example, should the MLB forgo a batting title this year? Following the logic of many posters - no one will qualify for it due to the AB rule.

What about a triple crown? No good?

And if that's the case - should MLB forgo MVP and Cy Young awards for the season?


Those are in seasons awards, not compared to history (like batting .400). If the playing field is level, I don't see why they can't hand out awards.
So no different than say a series MVP  
Dnew15 : 8/13/2020 12:08 pm : link
during the playoffs?

Even though the equivalency of what historically other MVPs and Cy Youngs were achieving during a "normal" season?
RE: So no different than say a series MVP  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2020 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14949004 Dnew15 said:
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during the playoffs?

Even though the equivalency of what historically other MVPs and Cy Youngs were achieving during a "normal" season?


I guess that's what an asterisk is for.

I find the whole awards thing silly to begin with (fans aren't stupid, we know this was the COVID season) so for me it doesn't matter much. If someone bats .380 they get a batting title. If Garrett Cole goes 10-1 with a 1.5 ERA and wins the Cy Young, that's fine with me too.
and by silly I don't mean the awards themselves  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2020 12:12 pm : link
just how seriously fans/media take them.
RE: and by silly I don't mean the awards themselves  
Dnew15 : 8/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14949007 UConn4523 said:
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just how seriously fans/media take them.


I agree - but one of my favorite parts of sports is the fun debates these kinds of topics tend to bring about.

I agree  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2020 12:22 pm : link
we can still have them, some people will just count them and others wont. I get both sides of it. It wouldn't matter much unless it factored into "which pitcher has the most Cy Young's" and 2020 was one of them to tie/pass Clemens.
RE: It gets an asterisk  
Metnut : 8/13/2020 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14948635 Vanzetti said:
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But it still counts. If he beats Ted, he beats him


Exactly how I see it.
RE: I agree  
Dnew15 : 8/13/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14949017 UConn4523 said:
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we can still have them, some people will just count them and others wont. I get both sides of it. It wouldn't matter much unless it factored into "which pitcher has the most Cy Young's" and 2020 was one of them to tie/pass Clemens.


I've got buddies already giving me the "I don't want to hear ring number 28 if the Yankees win it - totally fugazi"!
Batting averages are higher in Colorado because the outfield  
GeofromNJ : 8/13/2020 3:54 pm : link
is forced to play deep which opens the area between the infield and the outfield.
the team that wins it all played the schedule it was given, bad as it  
Victor in CT : 8/13/2020 4:13 pm : link
is,

but individual records set over 502 plate apperances (3.1 plate apperances per game for 162) or 162 innings cant be considered "broken" when it would only take 186 PAs and about 58 innings to qualify for the batting title or ERA title this year. ANybody can hot for that short a period.
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