Hypothetical question: Trevor Lawrence

you actually could get something "generational". You'd get a generational haul of draft picks. That's what I would do. Trade out and a acquire couple additional 1st round picks, this year and next, and maybe the year after too.

There's no guarantee he will be even as good as Jones.

The real question is what happened to Jones?

And there are real #1 overall QBs. Think about this: Joe Burrow just had the greatest season of a college football QB in history, capping it off with a National Championship and undefeated record.

If Lawrence would've been able to come out into the 2020 draft, Burrow would've been the #2 overall pick.

You'd have to go back to Andrew Luck (MAYBE) to find a guy that would be drafted ahead of Lawrence in ANY NFL draft. And if you think Lawrence would go ahead of Luck, which is a possibility, then you'd have to go all the way back to the 1998 NFL Draft, where Peyton Manning was drafted #1 overall.

So put it this way...if you recreated a draft with all the players from the last 22 years in a draft pool, not knowing their NFL futures, it's highly likely Lawrence would be drafted no later than #3 overall.

You should take Lawrence at trade Jones.

He’s big 6’6”
Has a rocket arm
Is accurate
Has wheels (as shown against OSU)
And is a really nice kid off the field.


He’s probably the best QB prospect I’ve seen in my lifetime. (I am 37 now and didn’t see Elway)

...make the trade.

Even Luck fell short in that category in the NFL despite his pedigree and blinding skills, even if it's for a variety of reasons. Mahomes is an excellent example of a generational talent, he's unique and almost unstoppable and the Chiefs have a ring largely because of him. Brady and his six rings are difficult to argue against, or Peyton greatness despite perhaps losing a few too many big games.

Perhaps Lawrence will prove to be that level of player. Right now, I think the projection is a bit much. Dabo's college system is up for debate in terms of accurate pro projection. He's certainly the best of the QB prospects teed up for the NFL now, and I think he's a better prospect than Watson, perhaps slightly ahead of Burrow in overall grade. But, Burrow's historic 2019 season shouldn't be discounted, it was very special.

Would I draft him and trade Jones? I would lean yes, but the trade booty to move down would appeal greatly to me.

our defense might be very bad this year. There is a way for Jones to show growth and us still having the worst record. But having a good QB should win you enough games that this wouldn't be an issue.

I'm not sure where all this Lawrence can't play in NY stuff is coming from though. He seems to have confidence, a passion for the game to put in the work. Worth investigating the trade market but in the end seems like it would be a mistake to pass up a potential MVP at QB when you are sitting with the worst record in the league.

There is no stock number where I'd say 8 wins and I trade the pick for a haul or draft the best pass rusher. 4 wins and I draft Lawrence. That's not how this works.

It has to be viewed through the lens of the team and the season as a whole.

In comment 14949169 JonC said:

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Even Luck fell short in that category in the NFL despite his pedigree and blinding skills, even if it's for a variety of reasons. Mahomes is an excellent example of a generational talent, he's unique and almost unstoppable and the Chiefs have a ring largely because of him. Brady and his six rings are difficult to argue against, or Peyton greatness despite perhaps losing a few too many big games. Perhaps Lawrence will prove to be that level of player. Right now, I think the projection is a bit much. Dabo's college system is up for debate in terms of accurate pro projection. He's certainly the best of the QB prospects teed up for the NFL now, and I think he's a better prospect than Watson, perhaps slightly ahead of Burrow in overall grade. But, Burrow's historic 2019 season shouldn't be discounted, it was very special. Would I draft him and trade Jones? I would lean yes, but the trade booty to move down would appeal greatly to me.

Luck's problem was he took a lot of hits from a poor OL. Those hits added up and shorten his career.

Other than that Luck lived up to his status. Coming out of college I would take Luck over Lawrence. You would have to go back to P. Manning as the only QB that I would choose over Luck.

One QB in 25 years, that's generational.

Lawrence is a much better athlete and has a much better arm than Manning. I’m not saying he’s going to be better than Manning, but as a prospect Lawrence is in a class of his own.

what the smart move would be given the hypothetical posed in the OP:

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...but Daniel Jones has shown well enough during the year that he undoubtedly has a bright future.

If Jones undoubtedly has a bright future, you trade the pick for a boatload of picks or picks plus top young players...

As great a prospect as Sunshine is, has he had undoubtedly shown himself to have a bright NFL future? The answer is no, not at the NFL level.

I think many of you are underestimating how bad or how close to bad the Giants are.

If the Giants lost Barkley or Slayton for any amount of time, the offense immediately becomes a threat for league worst. If the Giants lost Bradberry or Lawrence for any amount time, the defense does as well.

Add in Covid, first year/first time head coach, defensive coordinator who led the league’s worst defense last year, and new systems on both sides. The Giants could be plenty bad and it not remotely be on Jones.

draft Lawrence if we have the chance and trade him for a boat load of high picks to a QB needy team...