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"Nick Gates in an Alpha Male at Center"

Ben in Tampa : 8/14/2020 2:36 pm
So says offensive line coach Marc Colombo, per Stapleton

So does that end the debate about the projected starting offensive line?

LT: Thomas
LG: Hernandez
C: Gates
RG: Zeilter
RT: Fleming

... and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the longer term vision of what the unit may look like in the Daniel Jones era.

Lemieux could be groomed to replace Zeitler, whose contract expires after the '21 season or could be released with a modest $2.5m cap hit after this season. Peart is raw, but an obvious choice to take over at RT next year or by necessity, compete for that spot this year.

Thomas/Hernandez/Gateas/Lemieux/Peart protecting Jones and leading for Barkley. All young players, all together as they hit their athletic primes. Could be the magic formula.






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They haven't hit yet.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/14/2020 2:42 pm : link
Let's not put the cart before the horse.
Zeitler is by far the best OL right now, yet people keep saying he  
Spider56 : 8/14/2020 2:48 pm : link
should be replaced ... seriously?
It's good to be optimistic  
Fred-in-Florida : 8/14/2020 2:49 pm : link
and it'd be nice if we were to be able to hit on a free agent, and not for the short term either. Remind me who the last one was.
I’d be inclined to keep Zeitler  
Simms11 : 8/14/2020 2:50 pm : link
and the line together for a few years. Continuity is a good thing in terms of Oline and the longer these guys work together, the better. Lemieux will get his opportunities, but he adds nice depth right now and he’s budget friendly for next 4 years. We’re just getting to the point of having an Oline. This is not the time to think about replacing them. Solder will also be gone next years and his cap hit will be much lower as well, unless there is no more hit then. Anyway, let’s keep this line together.
I am still waiting to hear  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/14/2020 2:51 pm : link
Anyone from the Giants call Peart “raw”. I suspect he will have a significant role by mid-season.
RE: I’d be inclined to keep Zeitler  
robbieballs2003 : 8/14/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14949683 Simms11 said:
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and the line together for a few years. Continuity is a good thing in terms of Oline and the longer these guys work together, the better. Lemieux will get his opportunities, but he adds nice depth right now and he’s budget friendly for next 4 years. We’re just getting to the point of having an Oline. This is not the time to think about replacing them. Solder will also be gone next years and his cap hit will be much lower as well, unless there is no more hit then. Anyway, let’s keep this line together.


Don't be so sure Solder is gone next year. Him opting out and the NFL pushing all prorated money back makes it more difficult. I don't know what site to look at for his contract but Spotrac has it as we only get $3.4 mil in salary cap relief by cutting him. There are way too many variables that play into this like how Peart develops, what the actual 2021 salary cap number will be, etc.
I thought the "Alpha Male" comment about Gates was very  
ZogZerg : 8/14/2020 3:08 pm : link
interesting. Especially with Hernandez and Zeitler on the team.

Gates looks "goofy" whenever I see a picture of him. I guess it shows you how misleading pictures can be.
While...  
dschwarz in westchester : 8/14/2020 3:09 pm : link
I am excited that the Giants put such a strong emphasis on the OLine in the draft this year, people should try to remember that in the last 15 years the giants have drafted what, like 3-4 decent offensive linemen? (Beatty, Pugh, Richburg and Hernandez ... ?)

The idea that they picked three longterm starters in a single draft is thrilling. But I'd be happy if they just over the moon if they end up with two (including the RFAs). Expecting three starters feels like expecting failure.

Also agreed completely that planning to move on from Zeitler when he's the only lineman on the team who's actually proven to be successful at the NFL level makes no sense. If/when he fades and if/when you have a replacement for him sure. But right now, pray for his health and happiness, and if possible clone him.
I'll stick with my 2019 mantra anyone is better than halapio...  
Torrag : 8/14/2020 3:22 pm : link
and go from there...

Let's Begin With  
Percy : 8/14/2020 3:31 pm : link
That's not what he said according to the tweet.
RE: I thought the  
FranknWeezer : 8/14/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14949693 ZogZerg said:
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interesting. Especially with Hernandez and Zeitler on the team.

Gates looks "goofy" whenever I see a picture of him. I guess it shows you how misleading pictures can be.


Remember, it was the alpha male "at center"...not on the entire OL.
RE: Zeitler is by far the best OL right now, yet people keep saying he  
Ben in Tampa : 8/14/2020 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14949679 Spider56 said:
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should be replaced ... seriously?


It’s not that he needs to be replaced, it’s that he will need a new deal.
RE: Let's Begin With  
Ben in Tampa : 8/14/2020 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14949707 Percy said:
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That's not what he said according to the tweet.


I paraphrased the tweet for the thread subject, but explain how the context is different
Keeping a guy=money + quality of play + age  
Vanzetti : 8/14/2020 3:44 pm : link
That’s why I think the OP is right to say Zeitler and Solder are gone in 2021
RE: Let's Begin With  
Toth029 : 8/14/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14949707 Percy said:
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That's not what he said according to the tweet.

At center he did.

Video is up on Giants youtube page. Then he goes on talking about the Cowboys Frederick being big.
He's IN an alpha male?  
lugnut : 8/14/2020 3:48 pm : link
That wouldn't that make HIM the alpha male and the other his bitch?
RE: I am still waiting to hear  
ColHowPepper : 8/14/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14949684 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Anyone from the Giants call Peart “raw”. I suspect he will have a significant role by mid-season.
Peter, it was you who, on Day 2 of draft posted extensive looks at Peart. Thanks, again. It was eye opening to me, even if the caliber of play was Ch SD (UConn there, I think).

So, again, who has some tape of Gates from last year? I need to refresh my recollection of what the guy looks like in the trenches. (afraid of what gifs may follow (: )
I would certainly draft another lineman early for insurance  
gtt350 : 8/14/2020 4:04 pm : link
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It would bhe such a boon to the O  
Phil in LA : 8/14/2020 4:11 pm : link
if they could make Gates into an above averagee C.
Alpha Male?  
LBH15 : 8/14/2020 4:14 pm : link
What guy talks like that?
Our Coach and GM  
Phil in LA : 8/14/2020 4:26 pm : link
spoke that way of McKinney and Cam Brown during the April Draft.
Evertyime I open threads like this  
GManinDC : 8/14/2020 4:39 pm : link
I'm reminded of Sinorice Moss

"But Moss has been the star of OTAs and early training camp, making the decision to get rid of him much harder."

Or Mr Mara asking sayin he didn't know jerrel jernigan could play!!

They haven't had any contact yet.
RE: Our Coach and GM  
LBH15 : 8/14/2020 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14949749 Phil in LA said:
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spoke that way of McKinney and Cam Brown during the April Draft.


Ok. But they should really lose that.
RE: RE: Our Coach and GM  
robbieballs2003 : 8/14/2020 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14949758 LBH15 said:
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spoke that way of McKinney and Cam Brown during the April Draft.



Ok. But they should really lose that.


Why? It describes what Gates is doing in just a couple words. As a center you need to take control of that line. It is a perfectly acceptable way to describe someone.
RE: It would bhe such a boon to the O  
Eman11 : 8/14/2020 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14949739 Phil in LA said:
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if they could make Gates into an above averagee C.


I'd take it no questions asked and live with whatever we can do at RT, but it would be an even greater boon if Lemuiex could be an above average center and Gates is just as good at RT.

I know that's asking a lot for a rookie who never played the position but one can hope.
In saying that he is  
Dave on the UWS : 8/14/2020 5:17 pm : link
just saying Gates impresses him as a take charge type of guy. What you would want out of your Center. Doesn't mean anything more than that I would think.
It would be nice to have a stable line and replace just one starter  
Ivan15 : 8/14/2020 5:53 pm : link
Per year. This year they are replacing 3 starters out of necessity. Zeitler is a keeper unless his play falls off.

If Fleming doesn’t stick around, he will need to be replaced after 2020. Fleming may surprise everyone. It would be nice to give Peart another year to get ready.
Nice pieces  
Lines of Scrimmage : 8/14/2020 5:55 pm : link
A lot will be dependent on Thomas who I believe will deliver. Keep adding talent. Quality competition. Keep finding more talent at this spot every year. Discard the weak keep the strong. Rinse Repeat.
I know some these guys have yet  
Crazed Dogs : 8/14/2020 6:20 pm : link
to take an NFL game snap but I am feeling better about the O-line....Lemieux, Thomas, Peart along with positive reports about Gates.. makes me feel excited about finally turning the corner. We will see.....
We can also draft an OL next year too  
adamg : 8/14/2020 6:27 pm : link
Depth never hurt an OL
RE: Alpha Male?  
One Man Thrill Ride : 8/14/2020 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14949741 LBH15 said:
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What guy talks like that?


it’s the language of the hard-working & insatiable
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RE: RE: Let's Begin With  
Percy : 8/14/2020 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14949716 Ben in Tampa said:
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In comment 14949707 Percy said:


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That's not what he said according to the tweet.



I paraphrased the tweet for the thread subject, but explain how the context is different

Coach was speaking of the role the player had ("alpha male") after sliding into the center spot from another position (guard, say) during the course of play -- or that's how I understood it -- not how the player stood when measured against other center candidates. Didn't mean to be abrupt and may be all wet about what I thought was being said.
RE: RE: RE: Our Coach and GM  
LBH15 : 8/14/2020 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14949763 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14949758 LBH15 said:


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In comment 14949749 Phil in LA said:


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spoke that way of McKinney and Cam Brown during the April Draft.



Ok. But they should really lose that.



Why? It describes what Gates is doing in just a couple words. As a center you need to take control of that line. It is a perfectly acceptable way to describe someone.


Ok, I will start using it more.
RE: RE: RE: Let's Begin With PS  
Percy : 8/14/2020 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14949842 Percy said:
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In comment 14949716 Ben in Tampa said:


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In comment 14949707 Percy said:


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That's not what he said according to the tweet.



I paraphrased the tweet for the thread subject, but explain how the context is different


Coach was speaking of the role the player had ("alpha male") after sliding into the center spot from another position (guard, say) during the course of play -- or that's how I understood it -- not how the player stood when measured against other center candidates. Didn't mean to be abrupt and may be all wet about what I thought was being said.

After reading more of what's online about this, i now think I was wrong (probably because the Stapleton tweet talks about
"sliding" into the center position). What Colombo said, as reported by others, flat out characterized Gates as an "alpha male" and the kind of guy you want at center, a position he also said Gates has quickly taken to playing well.
RE: Zeitler is by far the best OL right now, yet people keep saying he  
MookGiants : 8/14/2020 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14949679 Spider56 said:
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should be replaced ... seriously?


Wasn't very good last year, and while solid at times, has never been the player that a lot of Giants fans thought he was coming here.

Hopefully injuries were why his play dropped off last year and he has a bounce back season.

Zeitler likely bounces back to be ok at guard. I'm more concerned with Hernandez. He took a huge step back last year and he needs to be the best lineman on this team until Thomas is up to speed hopefully. His season last year is still puzzling
Maybe Zeitler is more of a  
LBH15 : 8/14/2020 8:24 pm : link
Beta.
Here’s the next catch phrase that  
UConn4523 : 8/14/2020 8:25 pm : link
BBI will obsess about anytime he makes a bad play.
RE: RE: Zeitler is by far the best OL right now, yet people keep saying he  
aGiantGuy : 8/14/2020 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14949865 MookGiants said:
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should be replaced ... seriously?



Wasn't very good last year, and while solid at times, has never been the player that a lot of Giants fans thought he was coming here.

Hopefully injuries were why his play dropped off last year and he has a bounce back season.

Zeitler likely bounces back to be ok at guard. I'm more concerned with Hernandez. He took a huge step back last year and he needs to be the best lineman on this team until Thomas is up to speed hopefully. His season last year is still puzzling


The 2016-18 version of Zeitler is better than a lot of Giants fans have seen since Snee, it’s right there on film. The dude was a killer on the Bengals.

I don’t understand the statement that he was never what some fans thought he would be, no one was expecting him to take another step developmentally as a 29 year old, most fans were expecting him to be exactly what he has put on film since being a first rounder out of Wisconsin.
RE: Evertyime I open threads like this  
PatersonPlank : 8/14/2020 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14949756 GManinDC said:
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I'm reminded of Sinorice Moss

"But Moss has been the star of OTAs and early training camp, making the decision to get rid of him much harder."

Or Mr Mara asking sayin he didn't know jerrel jernigan could play!!

They haven't had any contact yet.


I agree, they were always trying to pump Sinorice up to trade him. The minute the 4th preseason game came around he was on the end of the bench. Lets wait until the real bullets start flying
For all the crap Gettleman has taken  
SirYesSir : 8/14/2020 9:34 pm : link
the guy is pretty good at putting together a line, and not needing 5 first round picks to do it.
RE: It would be nice to have a stable line and replace just one starter  
Ira : 8/15/2020 12:11 am : link
In comment 14949814 Ivan15 said:
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Per year. This year they are replacing 3 starters out of necessity. Zeitler is a keeper unless his play falls off.

If Fleming doesn’t stick around, he will need to be replaced after 2020. Fleming may surprise everyone. It would be nice to give Peart another year to get ready.


This makes sense.
Great!  
St. Jimmy : 8/15/2020 12:24 am : link
That is what we need. I am sick of sleeping on Pio.
RE: RE: RE: Zeitler is by far the best OL right now, yet people keep saying he  
Breaker : 8/15/2020 7:03 am : link
In comment 14949896 aGiantGuy said:
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In comment 14949679 Spider56 said:


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should be replaced ... seriously?



Wasn't very good last year, and while solid at times, has never been the player that a lot of Giants fans thought he was coming here.

Hopefully injuries were why his play dropped off last year and he has a bounce back season.

Zeitler likely bounces back to be ok at guard. I'm more concerned with Hernandez. He took a huge step back last year and he needs to be the best lineman on this team until Thomas is up to speed hopefully. His season last year is still puzzling



The 2016-18 version of Zeitler is better than a lot of Giants fans have seen since Snee, it’s right there on film. The dude was a killer on the Bengals.

I don’t understand the statement that he was never what some fans thought he would be, no one was expecting him to take another step developmentally as a 29 year old, most fans were expecting him to be exactly what he has put on film since being a first rounder out of Wisconsin.



Agree. Zeitler is a solid, near pro bowl caliber guard who is excellent in pass protection and solid in the run game. Yes he carries a low double digit salary but that is easily carried when solder is off the team after next year or maybe even after this year. Why are some so eager to get rid of this guy when quality offensive lineman have been scarce on our team for the last eight years?
Good to see  
HomerJones45 : 8/15/2020 7:39 am : link
you've all learned nothing and are getting sucked in by the usual and customary camp happy talk- again.

The resulting howlers like: "Gettlemen puts a line together without 5 number 1 picks" are priceless. He has spent a top 5 pick, traded an all-pro receiver to get, in another howler, our "near all-pro guard" and spent a truckload of dough on a left tackle who opted out of this season. We still don't know what, if anything, ol' Dave has put together.

But keep smiling that vacant smile and jerking off to camp happy talk.
Homer ...  
Spider56 : 8/15/2020 8:12 am : link
It’s a new day, a bright sunny day ... lighten up.
Being grumpy and miserable is the ONLY  
UConn4523 : 8/15/2020 8:24 am : link
way to be a sports fan these days, haha.

That post reminds me of the Vince McMahon bit when he reveals himself as the “Greater Power”. “You all bought it, hook, line and sinker. Even my family bought it!!!”
RE: For all the crap Gettleman has taken  
LBH15 : 8/15/2020 8:32 am : link
In comment 14949922 SirYesSir said:
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the guy is pretty good at putting together a line, and not needing 5 first round picks to do it.


I need more coffee.
RE: RE: Alpha Male?  
LBH15 : 8/15/2020 8:40 am : link
In comment 14949839 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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In comment 14949741 LBH15 said:


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What guy talks like that?



it’s the language of the hard-working & insatiable Link - ( New Window )


This was great!
Overly optimistic or not  
jhibb : 8/15/2020 9:21 am : link
I do know that Zeitler is closer to a "near all-pro guard" than Vernon was to an "all-pro receiver" when the Giants traded him.
RE: Zeitler is by far the best OL right now, yet people keep saying he  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/15/2020 9:34 am : link
In comment 14949679 Spider56 said:
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should be replaced ... seriously?


Indeed, it is retarded to project his release after the 2020 season unless his play drops off a cliff. Especially if 2021 is the last year of his contract. If Gates starts at OC this year, might Zeitler make the line calls?

I guess I need to read the link from Columbo...
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