from the younger crowd as Kevin Hart has a huge following. But count me in the camp of this didn't need to be done, first one is a classic. Can't beat John Candy...
from the younger crowd as Kevin Hart has a huge following. But count me in the camp of this didn't need to be done, first one is a classic. Can't beat John Candy...
If this makes money, I'll be shocked. I expect more of a Ghostbusters remake bomb here.
Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
My wife just said, "How would this movie even work today? Every has cell phones and access to their credit cards via your cell phones, not to mention Uber drivers."
Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
movie wasn't billed as a planes, trains, and automobiles remake they maybe would get a better reaction - even if it stole everything from the original.
Will Smith, Kevin Hart, and a writer from Brooklyn-99 sounds interesting.
In the old days they used to rip of a story line, change the title, and package it and call it a day.
How many "freaky friday" movies have there been? how many cinderellas? Even westerns. all with different names.
Seems like they just got lazy or forgot what used to work and now they're going in with a "hollywood is lazy" stigma, when they've always been lazy to an extent.
Every year I watch this movie I say, this cannot be made today UNLESS you set it back to that year in the 80s. I was thinking of what if they did this with a female cast who would they pick? You know Melissa McCarthy would be one of them as she can be a good annoying person.
I am curious to see how they do this...Ill give it a shot.
Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
My wife just said, "How would this movie even work today? Every has cell phones and access to their credit cards via your cell phones, not to mention Uber drivers."
Kind of like how at least half of Seinfeld plots wouldn't happen in a world with smartphones.
I'm not going to watch it, so I could care less, but remaking a movie doesn't offend me. The old one still exists so there's no point hand-wringing.
The issue I have is that they don't really seem to add anything. It's just shuffling new actors in. Watched "The Hustle" the other day. Had no idea it was a remake of "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" which I loved as a kid. After about 30 minutes I looked at my girlfriend and told her I knew everything that was going to happen in the movie.
But that movie was a remake of "Bedtime Story" which I didn't know. So maybe the younger generation wouldn't be exposed to it at all if not for these remakes.
the sooner you guys realize how hollywood operates
For every Kevin Hart movie there's 10 indie films with up and coming writers and actors that simply can't make the studios money. Blame the consumers, not the product.
RE: the sooner you guys realize how hollywood operates
For every Kevin Hart movie there's 10 indie films with up and coming writers and actors that simply can't make the studios money. Blame the consumers, not the product.
How does that have anything to do with this?
Not understanding the need to remake a specific movie is hardly on the consumer.
Especially when there is a track record of failures.
By your logic, people don't like or want remakes, but the industry pushes them because of the consumer.
well you've got people complaining that hollywood makes remakes
and ran out of ideas. I'm saying that isn't true. The new ideas come out all the time they are just too risky for most to fund, thus, we get the stars making stuff like this because its more likely to make money.
This is 100% on the consumer. This stuff wouldn't be made if people didn't see it.
RE: well you've got people complaining that hollywood makes remakes
and ran out of ideas. I'm saying that isn't true. The new ideas come out all the time they are just too risky for most to fund, thus, we get the stars making stuff like this because its more likely to make money.
This is 100% on the consumer. This stuff wouldn't be made if people didn't see it.
Ok, fair enough, but I didn't say that (and it still doesn't justify remaking a movie that doesn't need to be remade).
I do wonder if someone has done a good analysis and determined if in fact people do want to see remakes.
I'm not sure it's really true.
I will allow it could be a generational thing. Gen-X or Boomers might not be the target here and those are generally probably who loved Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
I didn't see why Total Recall was remade. Seemed like it was still new and then I realized it was 22 years old. Is that long enough?
So, in this case, if the target is the younger crowd, who maybe never saw the original I guess. Still a high bar to set for yourselves (see Ghostbusters female version)
And why limit yourselves so much when a massive segment of the population who would normally like a movie like this is predisposed to not like it or compare to an excellent original?
Something like Ocean's 11 (a remake I liked) went 41 years between versions.
Cape Fear went almost 30 years between remakes.
So, I guess in this case 30+ years is maybe enough, but they are not making it easy on themselves to either a) make money or b) make a good movie (IMO)
the next 1-2 years is really going to be interesting
and I'm wondering if hollywood salaries take a big hit, which I can see being needed if people still aren't going to theaters.
In contrast that would also help entities like Netflix make movies without feeling like they need to contend with massive budgets.
What that does for remakes i'm not sure. I'm guessing they will still get made, especially those with a big overseas audience, but I'm hoping it leads to more budget flexibility for the young talent that's out there and getting overlooked.
It's possible there was probably a script floating around about two mismatched personalities who get stuck together and have to go through a number of obstacles together and their conflict makes the comedy. It's a common movie tropepl.
Some studio exec perhaps bought the rights to it and decided that it would make more money globally and have a better chance of success by repackaging it as a Planes, Tranes, and Automobiles re-make because the original already has brand recognition.
This happens all the time with action movies. For example, Live Free or Die Hard was originally an action movie about Russian terrorists. Instead, it was repurposed as a Die Hard movie because it then could market as that franchise.
You know why there are so many superhero movies? Because they sell. They have brand recognition, and because they don't require as much dialogue which makes it more accessible and appealing to a global audience.
Maybe that happened here. Or maybe someone always wanted to remake the movie but with modern constraints and different types of comedic actors.
Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
My wife just said, "How would this movie even work today? Every has cell phones and access to their credit cards via your cell phones, not to mention Uber drivers."
The idea that it couldn't work today because of modern technology doesn't hold because all it takes is some creativity to constrain them. In fact, everything said herew was tied to cell phones. All it takes is for them to not have cell phones on them anymore and then they are stuck. How many phone numbers to many people now remember by heart? And how many payphones are still out there for people rendered phone less?
For example: Will Smith gets robbed, doesn't have his cell phone or wallet. He's with Kevin Hart, angry at him for some reason, and makes Kevin Hart get him to his destination. Kevin Hart has a phone and so they would be able to use Uber, except Kevin Hart has a terrible rating from an incident in the past-- which of course wasn't his fault that he will explain in his Kevin Hart style of storytelling-- and so now no one will pick them up. Kevin Hart's wallet? He doesn't need one because he uses a digital wallet. All his credit cards are on his phone.
Meanwhile, Kevin Hart drains his battery on social media or streaming a movie. Now neither has a working phone or money, and given the hell they've been through from some other incident, they look disheveled and so regular people avoid them because they look unseemly.
I'm ok with remakes, some of my favorite films are remakes.
They say every idea has already been done, so its just about the creative way to pull things together. I wonder what the last truly original film was that didn't pull from the past, can't be too many out there.
I imagine filmmakers themselves, indie or otherwise channel their experience from watching cinema and it regurgitates itself in some new spins, but not really "New" films.
In comment The idea that it couldn't work today because of modern technology doesn't hold because all it takes is some creativity to constrain them. In fact, everything said herew was tied to cell phones. All it takes is for them to not have cell phones on them anymore and then they are stuck. How many phone numbers to many people now remember by heart? And how many payphones are still out there for people rendered phone less?
For example: Will Smith gets robbed, doesn't have his cell phone or wallet. He's with Kevin Hart, angry at him for some reason, and makes Kevin Hart get him to his destination. Kevin Hart has a phone and so they would be able to use Uber, except Kevin Hart has a terrible rating from an incident in the past-- which of course wasn't his fault that he will explain in his Kevin Hart style of storytelling-- and so now no one will pick them up. Kevin Hart's wallet? He doesn't need one because he uses a digital wallet. All his credit cards are on his phone.
Meanwhile, Kevin Hart drains his battery on social media or streaming a movie. Now neither has a working phone or money, and given the hell they've been through from some other incident, they look disheveled and so regular people avoid them because they look unseemly.
one would hope that a writer (or group of writers) actually spending time to come up with a plot would do something that lands better than what I came up with in the time it took to type it.
The point is that it's very easy to get around the idea of having cell phones. Just find a way to remove their cellphones.
Also, all of these types of comedies have absurd plot lines. It comes down to the dialogue and the delivery.
Every year I watch this movie I say, this cannot be made today UNLESS you set it back to that year in the 80s. I was thinking of what if they did this with a female cast who would they pick? You know Melissa McCarthy would be one of them as she can be a good annoying person.
I am curious to see how they do this...Ill give it a shot.
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Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
Exactly...
I think it’s already kind of been made with Melissa McCarthy And Jason Bateman. It’s a comedy, a “buddy travel” story, has a straight man and an antagonist. And SPOILER, it even has a resolution that’s reminiscent of Planes, Trains Etc.
but he ruined Lemmon's classic The Out of Towners by remaking if, so I guess it's Hollywood karma that he's getting one of his classics butchered with a remake.
but he ruined Lemmon's classic The Out of Towners by remaking if, so I guess it's Hollywood karma that he's getting one of his classics butchered with a remake.
Martin also did Inspector Clouseau -- I think Hollywood owes him a few more shitty remakes of his movies.
There is nothing to retain the fans of the original. If anything, the idea of a remake probably keeps a lot of fans away. So, do they think this would have a strong enough new fan base to make money? It's not like a movie starring Smith and Hart will be cheap. Is that going to make enough money for a profit?
any of my favorite movies of all time and it wouldn't tarnish the original.
If Shawshank 2 came out I'd laugh at the idea and move on. If anything it would remind me how awesome the original was and get me to go watch it again.
The amount of market research that goes into these decisions is vast. Take the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels remake titled "The Hustle" as mentioned earlier. It made close to $100m with an estimated $21m budget - so there's your answer.
Hart and Smith are huge draws. On average a Kevin Hart movies draws $75m and Smith almost double that. They will be making money on this most likely.
any of my favorite movies of all time and it wouldn't tarnish the original.
If Shawshank 2 came out I'd laugh at the idea and move on. If anything it would remind me how awesome the original was and get me to go watch it again.
The amount of market research that goes into these decisions is vast. Take the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels remake titled "The Hustle" as mentioned earlier. It made close to $100m with an estimated $21m budget - so there's your answer.
Hart and Smith are huge draws. On average a Kevin Hart movies draws $75m and Smith almost double that. They will be making money on this most likely.
Interesting points. But, I wonder if this falls in a weird category. First, with The Hustle, 2 stars from a young generation starred in the movie, banking on a new audience. With Smith and Hart, you are talking about stars more in line with a lot of fans of the original. Those fans would go see new movies from both stars. But, will enough young fans do the same with them?
from the younger crowd as Kevin Hart has a huge following. But count me in the camp of this didn't need to be done, first one is a classic. Can't beat John Candy...
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Candy's performance in the original is epic, an all time great single move performance. Very hard to follow that.
with the young audience. He's basically slightly less popular than the Rock. Will Smith will pull in some of the older crowd, whether they watched/liked the original or not.
its to make money. This will likely have nothing to do with the original. The are basically using the name to generate buzz, and pull a bit from the story.
Didn't Ben Afleck just do some similar movie with Sandra Bullock or something where he had to get to his wedding and even with phones and such it was like problems getting to where they needed to be.
Why not just call this Hitch 2?
Why not just call this Hitch 2?
Yeah, this joke bombed as I confused Kevin James for Kevin Hart.
Some things should be sacred from remakes. This is one of them..
And I do not like Keven Hart in movies.
If this makes money, I'll be shocked. I expect more of a Ghostbusters remake bomb here.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
My wife just said, "How would this movie even work today? Every has cell phones and access to their credit cards via your cell phones, not to mention Uber drivers."
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
Exactly...
Will Smith, Kevin Hart, and a writer from Brooklyn-99 sounds interesting.
In the old days they used to rip of a story line, change the title, and package it and call it a day.
How many "freaky friday" movies have there been? how many cinderellas? Even westerns. all with different names.
Seems like they just got lazy or forgot what used to work and now they're going in with a "hollywood is lazy" stigma, when they've always been lazy to an extent.
I am curious to see how they do this...Ill give it a shot.
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Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
Exactly...
Kind of like how at least half of Seinfeld plots wouldn't happen in a world with smartphones.
The issue I have is that they don't really seem to add anything. It's just shuffling new actors in. Watched "The Hustle" the other day. Had no idea it was a remake of "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" which I loved as a kid. After about 30 minutes I looked at my girlfriend and told her I knew everything that was going to happen in the movie.
But that movie was a remake of "Bedtime Story" which I didn't know. So maybe the younger generation wouldn't be exposed to it at all if not for these remakes.
For every Kevin Hart movie there's 10 indie films with up and coming writers and actors that simply can't make the studios money. Blame the consumers, not the product.
For every Kevin Hart movie there's 10 indie films with up and coming writers and actors that simply can't make the studios money. Blame the consumers, not the product.
How does that have anything to do with this?
Not understanding the need to remake a specific movie is hardly on the consumer.
Especially when there is a track record of failures.
By your logic, people don't like or want remakes, but the industry pushes them because of the consumer.
This is 100% on the consumer. This stuff wouldn't be made if people didn't see it.
This is 100% on the consumer. This stuff wouldn't be made if people didn't see it.
Ok, fair enough, but I didn't say that (and it still doesn't justify remaking a movie that doesn't need to be remade).
I do wonder if someone has done a good analysis and determined if in fact people do want to see remakes.
I'm not sure it's really true.
I will allow it could be a generational thing. Gen-X or Boomers might not be the target here and those are generally probably who loved Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
I didn't see why Total Recall was remade. Seemed like it was still new and then I realized it was 22 years old. Is that long enough?
So, in this case, if the target is the younger crowd, who maybe never saw the original I guess. Still a high bar to set for yourselves (see Ghostbusters female version)
And why limit yourselves so much when a massive segment of the population who would normally like a movie like this is predisposed to not like it or compare to an excellent original?
Something like Ocean's 11 (a remake I liked) went 41 years between versions.
Cape Fear went almost 30 years between remakes.
So, I guess in this case 30+ years is maybe enough, but they are not making it easy on themselves to either a) make money or b) make a good movie (IMO)
In contrast that would also help entities like Netflix make movies without feeling like they need to contend with massive budgets.
What that does for remakes i'm not sure. I'm guessing they will still get made, especially those with a big overseas audience, but I'm hoping it leads to more budget flexibility for the young talent that's out there and getting overlooked.
Some studio exec perhaps bought the rights to it and decided that it would make more money globally and have a better chance of success by repackaging it as a Planes, Tranes, and Automobiles re-make because the original already has brand recognition.
This happens all the time with action movies. For example, Live Free or Die Hard was originally an action movie about Russian terrorists. Instead, it was repurposed as a Die Hard movie because it then could market as that franchise.
You know why there are so many superhero movies? Because they sell. They have brand recognition, and because they don't require as much dialogue which makes it more accessible and appealing to a global audience.
Maybe that happened here. Or maybe someone always wanted to remake the movie but with modern constraints and different types of comedic actors.
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Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
My wife just said, "How would this movie even work today? Every has cell phones and access to their credit cards via your cell phones, not to mention Uber drivers."
The idea that it couldn't work today because of modern technology doesn't hold because all it takes is some creativity to constrain them. In fact, everything said herew was tied to cell phones. All it takes is for them to not have cell phones on them anymore and then they are stuck. How many phone numbers to many people now remember by heart? And how many payphones are still out there for people rendered phone less?
For example: Will Smith gets robbed, doesn't have his cell phone or wallet. He's with Kevin Hart, angry at him for some reason, and makes Kevin Hart get him to his destination. Kevin Hart has a phone and so they would be able to use Uber, except Kevin Hart has a terrible rating from an incident in the past-- which of course wasn't his fault that he will explain in his Kevin Hart style of storytelling-- and so now no one will pick them up. Kevin Hart's wallet? He doesn't need one because he uses a digital wallet. All his credit cards are on his phone.
Meanwhile, Kevin Hart drains his battery on social media or streaming a movie. Now neither has a working phone or money, and given the hell they've been through from some other incident, they look disheveled and so regular people avoid them because they look unseemly.
They say every idea has already been done, so its just about the creative way to pull things together. I wonder what the last truly original film was that didn't pull from the past, can't be too many out there.
I imagine filmmakers themselves, indie or otherwise channel their experience from watching cinema and it regurgitates itself in some new spins, but not really "New" films.
It won't be on my list to see.
For example: Will Smith gets robbed, doesn't have his cell phone or wallet. He's with Kevin Hart, angry at him for some reason, and makes Kevin Hart get him to his destination. Kevin Hart has a phone and so they would be able to use Uber, except Kevin Hart has a terrible rating from an incident in the past-- which of course wasn't his fault that he will explain in his Kevin Hart style of storytelling-- and so now no one will pick them up. Kevin Hart's wallet? He doesn't need one because he uses a digital wallet. All his credit cards are on his phone.
Meanwhile, Kevin Hart drains his battery on social media or streaming a movie. Now neither has a working phone or money, and given the hell they've been through from some other incident, they look disheveled and so regular people avoid them because they look unseemly.
Well... that plot line killed it for me.
The point is that it's very easy to get around the idea of having cell phones. Just find a way to remove their cellphones.
Also, all of these types of comedies have absurd plot lines. It comes down to the dialogue and the delivery.
I am curious to see how they do this...Ill give it a shot.
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In comment 14951733 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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Just shows how bad the writing in Hollywood is currently.
Copy paste a script, add some modern lingo and some crass jokes, add multi ethnic popular cast, and cross our fingers.
Exactly...
I think it’s already kind of been made with Melissa McCarthy And Jason Bateman. It’s a comedy, a “buddy travel” story, has a straight man and an antagonist. And SPOILER, it even has a resolution that’s reminiscent of Planes, Trains Etc.
Martin also did Inspector Clouseau -- I think Hollywood owes him a few more shitty remakes of his movies.
From my post above....
How many "freaky friday" movies have there been? how many cinderellas? Even westerns. all with different names.....
Why remake at all? I'd think these two (Kevin Hart especially) would have enough pull on their own
I’ll stream it.
they remade Dirty Rotten Scoundrels with Rebel Wilson and Anne Hathaway, how much money did that make?
Does anyone have a fucking original idea? This is just stupid.
If Shawshank 2 came out I'd laugh at the idea and move on. If anything it would remind me how awesome the original was and get me to go watch it again.
The amount of market research that goes into these decisions is vast. Take the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels remake titled "The Hustle" as mentioned earlier. It made close to $100m with an estimated $21m budget - so there's your answer.
Hart and Smith are huge draws. On average a Kevin Hart movies draws $75m and Smith almost double that. They will be making money on this most likely.
If Shawshank 2 came out I'd laugh at the idea and move on. If anything it would remind me how awesome the original was and get me to go watch it again.
The amount of market research that goes into these decisions is vast. Take the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels remake titled "The Hustle" as mentioned earlier. It made close to $100m with an estimated $21m budget - so there's your answer.
Hart and Smith are huge draws. On average a Kevin Hart movies draws $75m and Smith almost double that. They will be making money on this most likely.
This ^^^^>
Candy's performance in the original is epic, an all time great single move performance. Very hard to follow that.
I guess they're saving the best for last
I wouldn't bother comparing them.