Last night sucked, but I have it as a 9 or 10 person draft:
Tier 1:
LaMelo
Edwards
Tier 2 (no order):
Avidja
Hayes
Haliburton
Okoro
Toppin
Okoongwu
Wiseman
Vassel
Given that, going from 6 to 8 isn't as devastating as the media is making it seem. It's just more lolknicks.
If we stay at 8, outside of the three bigs, I think any of the remaining 5 guys would make plenty of sense. The only iffy fit it Okoro given his lack of shooting and fit next to RJ.
There's also I think going to be some really interesting options to move up, even as high as one with the T Wolves.
Option 1:
Frank
No 8
2021 1st
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Culver
# 17 from Brooklyn
No. 1 overall
Option 2:
RJ for No. 1 Overall
Think both options would be potentially great fits for both teams, and I'd probably risk next year's first for a guarantee at the no. 1 pick this year.
Simply because it is the Knicks.
The Knicks will have absolutely have the opportunity to get an above-average NBA starter at #8. It's up to the front office to draft the right player and the coaching staff to handle that player.
Warriors obvious situation..
Maybe he won't be the best player long term but I don't think I'd trade him for #1 straight up.
Am I way off base on that?
Maybe he won't be the best player long term but I don't think I'd trade him for #1 straight up.
Am I way off base on that?
He'd certainly be in the mix. I personally would take Ball over RJ and some teams are extremely high on Avdija and Hayes but yeah he'd be in the mix for 1-1 in this poor draft.
I think Vessell fits the Knicks well.
2 way player that can shoot the 3.
If the plan is to go all in for Van Vleet no need to draft a haliburton or Anthony.
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For past few months my answer to who Knicks should draft (if they don't move up) has been Vassell.
I also have Maxey, Pat Williams top 10 and legit options at #8.
I'm a Killian fan but worry about his development on NY's roster + building around limited shooters w/ RJ and Mitch
FVV and Vassell is a good defensive back court with very good shooting
Maybe he won't be the best player long term but I don't think I'd trade him for #1 straight up.
Am I way off base on that?
Not at all. I think he’d be the consensus #1 pick in this draft
Totally agree. Knicks will most likely be a bottom 5 team and you have to hope they get incredibly lucky with the Mavs pick through injuries. It’s really the only piece you got for KP.
Draft at 8 if available Oneyka from USC
Trade up from 27 to get Saddiq Bey
Sign VanVleet and Christian wood
Robinson
Wood
Bey
Barrett
VanVleet
Bench
Oneyka
Frank
Wooten
Iggy Etc
Go young as possible. Develop kids
Let Thibs mold them into his system
And hope for 2021 Free Agency bonanza
They should do what it takes to get another 2021 lottery pick because clearly the Dallas pick will be late 20s.
I would offer orlando 8 and 28 for 15 and 1st rounder next year. Throw in smith jr if needed.
If they have to stay at 8 then take Halliburton, vessly or toppin.
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to be kind, but wouldn't RJ be the best piece in this class right now?
Maybe he won't be the best player long term but I don't think I'd trade him for #1 straight up.
Am I way off base on that?
Not at all. I think he’d be the consensus #1 pick in this draft
Strongly disagree. If you believe in Ball then he has more potential value than Barrett. Not saying Barrett wouldn't be in the mix for 1-1 but "consensus"? No way.
Which is normally how the Knicks draft goes
Might be the best best defender in the draft.
could move RJ to the 3 or play Vessell at the 3
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Which is normally how the Knicks draft goes
Might be the best best defender in the draft.
could move RJ to the 3 or play Vessell at the 3 draft profile- Hawks - ( New Window )
Vessell to hawks really doesnt make sense, they just drafted deandre hunter, same skillset..
I have a feeling Anthony will be the Knicks pick. He seems like a Thibs player. Hard worker, brings it every night on both ends of the floor, etc. In terms of Cole Anthony the prospect, he's a good shooter (better than the numbers would indicate), very talented ball handler and a good athlete. He's a solid defender but due to his size won't be able to switch on the PnR and is limited to defending only one position. His shot selection was shaky to say the least and he's not a great passer/facilitator but RJ is so he'd be a good fit next to him in the backcourt imo.
He definitely had a disappointing year, some of which was his fault some of which wasn't (the injury, NC's lack of talent this year and no spacing at all). To me he's a boom/bust type prospect. His floor is rather low but the ceiling is very high (all-star type lead guard but not the #1 on a title team).
Ball, Hayes, Avdija, Edwards, Haliburton, Wiseman, Vassell, Okoro or Okongwu. Poku is intriguing, Hampton is still intriguing. They should land a decent player. Pass on Obi for me.
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to be kind, but wouldn't RJ be the best piece in this class right now?
Maybe he won't be the best player long term but I don't think I'd trade him for #1 straight up.
Am I way off base on that?
Not at all. I think he’d be the consensus #1 pick in this draft
Strongly disagree. If you believe in Ball then he has more potential value than Barrett. Not saying Barrett wouldn't be in the mix for 1-1 but "consensus"? No way.
We can agree to disagree but Barrett had fewer question marks and weaknesses/leaps of faith to his game than Ball does right now. Ball might not even be the top point guard in this class when its all said and done (although he is mine).
Draft at 8 if available Oneyka from USC
Trade up from 27 to get Saddiq Bey
Sign VanVleet and Christian wood
Robinson
Wood
Bey
Barrett
VanVleet
Bench
Oneyka
Frank
Wooten
Iggy Etc
Go young as possible. Develop kids
Let Thibs mold them into his system
And hope for 2021 Free Agency bonanza
this would be a great off-season I just don't see anyone taking Randle and that contract without draft picks and young talent.
Wood and Van Vleet make this relevant
Dont forget Wolves are for sale..
If Barrett can develop a lethal outside shot he could be another Paul Pierce type maybe, or something like that, but he’s got a long way to go. I almost think Frankie has a better chance to develop an outside shot as his form looks better.
Barrett really is the million dollar question for the Knicks this offseason.
They should do what it takes to get another 2021 lottery pick because clearly the Dallas pick will be late 20s.
I would offer orlando 8 and 28 for 15 and 1st rounder next year. Throw in smith jr if needed.
If they have to stay at 8 then take Halliburton, vessly or toppin.
I agree with your thinking regarding the 2021 Draft. Accumulate capital in that draft because it'll be stacked.
Seconded. I get scared of how well he’d look here compared to the comfy confines of Toronto but we need this kind of player in a big big way. If we didn’t have thibs I’d be scared but I think vleet is worth the chase, especially since he’d only cost money and not any other assets. I’d consider Paul as well but only if he came without any additional cost other than his contract.
no, i think they fire brett brown and keep simmons and embiid 1 more year
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They should do what it takes to get another 2021 lottery pick because clearly the Dallas pick will be late 20s.
I would offer orlando 8 and 28 for 15 and 1st rounder next year. Throw in smith jr if needed.
If they have to stay at 8 then take Halliburton, vessly or toppin.
Lol both those trades are awful but you want to trade for two non lotto picks.
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Do they shake things up, i.e. put Embiid or Simmons on the trading block?
no, i think they fire brett brown and keep simmons and embiid 1 more year
Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I think they not only fire Brown, but have a big turnover in the FO.
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Do they shake things up, i.e. put Embiid or Simmons on the trading block?
no, i think they fire brett brown and keep simmons and embiid 1 more year
Yeah, I tend to agree with that. I think they not only fire Brown, but have a big turnover in the FO.
Problem for the sixers is their roster construct is awful and horrible contracts, not much room to improve
I can't believe I picked them to go to the Finals before the season.
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Do they shake things up, i.e. put Embiid or Simmons on the trading block?
no, i think they fire brett brown and keep simmons and embiid 1 more year
if anyone goes it's Embiid.
only way I make this move is if they take Randle and the Knicks can still land VanVleet.
will they? All talk is they will go hard after giannis, are they going to give FVV a max deal?
Well said. Moving up would’ve been a nice way to continue the momentum - it was more symbolic than anything. Rangers have stolen all the good luck lately.
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makes a ton of sense, but why would he leave the raptors who can pay just as much?
will they? All talk is they will go hard after giannis, are they going to give FVV a max deal?
Cant see Giannis going to the raptors personally. To play with Siakam and an aging Lowry?
I actually think the pick will come down to Cole Anthony, Nesmith or Kira Lewis. They fill all the needs. We don't need to make an Iman Shumpert pick with Vassell.
As for moving down in the lottery, it just seems we are the only team year in and year out that moves down 2 spots in every lottery. It is just annoying. Of course, I thought they would get the 1st pick this year, because this is the worst draft since the Anthony Bennett draft.
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makes a ton of sense, but why would he leave the raptors who can pay just as much?
will they? All talk is they will go hard after giannis, are they going to give FVV a max deal?
Cant see Giannis going to the raptors personally. To play with Siakam and an aging Lowry?
Lowry would be off the books, giannis and someone else could go to toronto to pair with siakim
rumors are the Raptors are hesitant to go Max on VanVleet.
The Knicks and Pistons are 2 teams desperate for a young All star to build around and would be willing to go all in on him.
As a Knicks fan I will be thrilled to pay VanVleet the max and build around him
I actually think the pick will come down to Cole Anthony, Nesmith or Kira Lewis. They fill all the needs. We don't need to make an Iman Shumpert pick with Vassell.
As for moving down in the lottery, it just seems we are the only team year in and year out that moves down 2 spots in every lottery. It is just annoying. Of course, I thought they would get the 1st pick this year, because this is the worst draft since the Anthony Bennett draft.
Vassell shot 41% from 3 he is not Shumpert
eh, maybe I'm in the minority but Rose is the THIRD guy in a row they've brought in to run the team with zero experience in the role. Maybe the guys he brought in under him are better than what we've had in the past, but you can certainly view the Rose hire as "same old Knicks".
You were suggesting trading our 2021 pick to move up this years awful draft, you are clearly not understanding the lack of talent in this years draft vs. next years draft. Unless you are getting bradley beal 2021 pick in untouchable.
If the Knicks had the #1 pick in this years draft and there was a way to to trade for the guaranteed 6th pick in next years draft I would do it straight up. That’s how good next year is.
I am intrigued with Kira Lewis and I think Aaron Nesmith makes sense too. Didn't someone with intel say the Knicks are high on AN?
Bust meaning he’s going to be picked in top 3
If he was a mid to low first then I wouldn’t be considerIng him a bust
Reasons why
1. He can’t shoot
2. And LaVar will resurface and be a distraction
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Do they shake things up, i.e. put Embiid or Simmons on the trading block?
no, i think they fire brett brown and keep simmons and embiid 1 more year
I would be all over Simmons if he were available, but what would they have to give up to get him. Would have to start with RJ and #8, what else? Obviously would have to add salary filler as well.
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Do they shake things up, i.e. put Embiid or Simmons on the trading block?
no, i think they fire brett brown and keep simmons and embiid 1 more year
I would be all over Simmons if he were available, but what would they have to give up to get him. Would have to start with RJ and #8, what else? Obviously would have to add salary filler as well.
probably both 2021 picks, possibly a 2023 pick as well
Would be happy to have Vassel. Outstanding defender with really high IQ. Can shoot the three and still young enough that a good development program can help him fill in the rest of his game by improving his handle and scoring. But a high floor as 3 and D. Sounds like a guy Thibs would love. And would help with the spacing that RJ needs.
He added the shot off the dribble and showed glimpses of a mlre advanced offensjve game..
Not saying superstar potential but to say he has hit is ceiling is not really true..
What a terrible trade for philly
I will go Randle, Robinson, DSJ and both Dallas picks for Embiid.
sign VanVleet
Draft Vessell
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There are already rumors that the GS/Philly are talking Wiggins and 2nd pick for Embid.
I will go Randle, Robinson, DSJ and both Dallas picks for Embiid.
sign VanVleet
Draft Vessell
you will need to add more
Listening to Michael Kay talk about basketball is cringeworthy, doesnt even know who the assistants they hired are..
Here's the thing about Fran. This was his opinion about RJ in July 2019
You're better off not paying too much attention to Fran.
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There are already rumors that the GS/Philly are talking Wiggins and 2nd pick for Embid.
I will go Randle, Robinson, DSJ and both Dallas picks for Embiid.
sign VanVleet
Draft Vessell
So 2 late 1sts, 2 guys with negative value and Robinson for Embiid? Come on man be somewhat realistic.
And Michael Kay is a complete moron. Him and his clown partners know nothing about hoops.
Rj i think has all star potential, with star if he gets a consistent jumper..
Mitch can be dominant on the defensivr end..
to say they have 0 is not fair and of course kay ran with it...
try at least 4 #1s
They laugh and hang up the phone...
they are nkt takong wiggins and 2 and if they do they are morons
I miss on a lot of things but I never saw it with Harris. I can’t believe he got a max. Probably the most overrated player in the league.
That is why it is hard to win with a big, right now you win with the sgar guard or wing
“The Knicks are just as concerned with finding those uncovered nuggets with their other two picks [Nos. 27 and 38],’’ one NBA source said.
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This is such a no brainer. Hard to imagine GSW doing that.
Again there is no one going before 8 that is worth trading any assets for. Whoever they get at 8 will be a rotation player with similar upside as the player that goes at 2
Again there is no one going before 8 that is worth trading any assets for. Whoever they get at 8 will be a rotation player with similar upside as the player that goes at 2
Do you do it?
Do you do it?
I think its possible to get embiid while keeping barrett and still sign fvv and have max space next year
I think I do it. I think you kind of have to ? Robinson is a good player already but what’s his ceiling. If he can’t put the ball on the floor and score, he’s a limited player even on his best day. Can he even shoot let alone shoot off the dribble? Maybe, but this year is big. Do we wait another year on Mitch and let him learn under thibs but risk his trade value going down or do you move him now while the getting is good.
RJ.... I don’t know. He seems so ordinary to me. He’s so young though. Has a player like RJ with his skills and early limitations ever developed into a star? I’m trying to think of any prior instances that would give us hope for his future...
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Would you guys liquify most of the knicks assets to somehow net two big stars this offseason? Let’s say you could turn most of all the kids and picks into embid and van vleet and still have future space for more depth/star power. Let’s say Mitch and Barrett are dealt but maybe not every future pick as it’s impossible to deal every pick in a row anyway.
Do you do it?
I think its possible to get embiid while keeping barrett and still sign fvv and have max space next year
Mitch, this years lotto pick, Randle or cap filler, a choice of any younger cheaper player(s) on the roster, next years dallas pick and maybe another pick after that. Maybe? Don’t know if Philly does it.
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Would you guys liquify most of the knicks assets to somehow net two big stars this offseason? Let’s say you could turn most of all the kids and picks into embid and van vleet and still have future space for more depth/star power. Let’s say Mitch and Barrett are dealt but maybe not every future pick as it’s impossible to deal every pick in a row anyway.
Do you do it?
I think its possible to get embiid while keeping barrett and still sign fvv and have max space next year
Mitch, this years lotto pick, Randle or cap filler, a choice of any younger cheaper player(s) on the roster, next years dallas pick and maybe another pick after that. Maybe? Don’t know if Philly does it.
Most likely Mitch, randle, maybe knox, 8, 21 and dllas 21 and maybe our 23 and maybe even one more pick
Even Leon Rose said it a two player draft. Would I move up form 8 to 4? Probably not, unless it was for some insane bargain. But top 2 guarantees you LaMelo or Edwards who are top 5 players in any draft. Especially since it's unlikely to be extremely cost prohibitive.
Both players would have gone 4th last year easily.
Also makes perfect sense for the Warriors who likely can drop to 8 and get one of OO, Wiseman or Toppin.
I definitely see Rose being agressive
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put the chances of us picking at 8 at under 50%. I bet 30% we package in a bigger trade for a "star" and 30% we package to move up.
I definitely see Rose being agressive
Agreed. He will try and make a move. Let's see what happens. The aggressive approach has burned us many a times but Mills and his stentch is gone is hopefully that changes
i was thinking the same thing, he is not over the top athletic bjt he does everything pretty damn good
We then grab LaMelo, then take either Wiseman or preferably OO at 8.
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am I missing with Kira Lewis? Why isn't he being discussed more. Good defender, good shooter, good playmaker, elite speed.
i was thinking the same thing, he is not over the top athletic bjt he does everything pretty damn good
I think his floor is probably Dennis Schroeder, but he's among the youngest players. If he can gain a bunch of muscle the ceiling is much higher.
We then grab LaMelo, then take either Wiseman or preferably OO at 8.
I mentioned this the other day and people sakd no way..people also need tk remember mitch is about to get paid
I wonder if some execs see collin sexton
We then grab LaMelo, then take either Wiseman or preferably OO at 8.
I don’t think this is crazy at all. Charlotte needs a big, too - if GSW takes Wiseman, Charlotte may want Mitch. His contract status is an issue for the Knicks - right or wrong, the Knicks will set their sights higher than Mitch when it comes to handing out big money. And you’re not getting any hometown discounts either - his first contract was for peanuts.
I wonder if some execs see collin sexton
Same college and similar build but Lewis now is a far better shooter than Sexton will ever be.