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Rapoport: Giants Release CB DeAndre Baker

EddieNYG : 9/7/2020 3:42 pm
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#Giants are set to release CB Deandre Baker, officially moving on from their ex-first rounder this week, source said. Not a surprise, they’d hinted at it... and recently gave away his number. Baker was on the Commissioner’s Exempt list after charges with 4 counts of armed robbery

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Do you just mean in the secondary?  
pjcas18 : 9/8/2020 4:38 pm : link


"the 2 highest priced veterans this regime has signed in their 3 offseasons were Bradberry a few months ago and Ryan last week. "
RE: RE: The Giants had 12 picks going into the 2019 Draft  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/8/2020 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14965203 Eric on Li said:
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...they would have had 13 if they didn't pick Beal in the supplemental draft.

If you include Beal as a 2019 3rd round pick (which you should, because he was) then the Giants used nearly half of their picks on CBs. Using 6 of 13 picks on CBs is pretty much the definition of a cluster draft.



Baker
Beal
Love (S)
Ballentine

that's 4/13?


Gettlman traded a 2, a 4 and a 5 to trade up to pick Baker. 4 players, 6 picks.
RE: I guess I kind of view  
christian : 9/8/2020 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14965198 pjcas18 said:
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My main point was yes, take steps to avoid misses as a team and do the most due diligence as is possible, but as fans we should be prepared these won't be the last times players get cut due to conduct - no matter how thorough the team feels they are in this area.


Personally, I think the culture crusade was a little misguided and silly. My view is stable leadership and credibility at the coaching level could have succeeded with a team of OBJ, JPP, Snacks, DRC, Jenkins etc. I think the Giants had back-to-back bad coaches and the players smelled it.

In short you can survive with assholes if you have strong coaching. That group doesn’t touch the level of asshole Coughlin succeeded with.

What lies beneath Rosas’s and Baker’s behavior might be deeper, and something the team needs to be better equipped to identify and address. Rosas has a substance abuse issue, and the fact Gettleman said he didn’t know about it because the last guy signed him is a problem. If a guy in your roster has a DUI on his record, you better know about it, and it better be something you have your development team talk about with him from time-to-time.

Who knows with Baker, but he certainly exhibited some anger and authority issues. Snapping back at Jenkins about practicing on camera, whispers of not prepping for the combine, not taking well to coaching. Could be nothing, or could be a guy exhibiting a real problem. People with anger and authority issues most certainly have a higher propensity to act out inappropriately when they feel aggrieved.
Gettleman's comment stings a bit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/8/2020 5:02 pm : link
especially because this franchise is not far removed from the absolute debacle that was the kicker with the horrible domestic violence issue.

The Giants admitted they knew about it.
RE: Gettleman's comment stings a bit  
christian : 9/8/2020 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14965243 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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especially because this franchise is not far removed from the absolute debacle that was the kicker with the horrible domestic violence issue.

The Giants admitted they knew about it.


I’m going to assume Gettleman just flubbed the response, and that the full Giants brass considered his previous DUI and his latest alleged incident when releasing him.

I can’t wrap my head around a scenario where Gettleman truly didn’t know the guy they just cut for allegedly going full Gary Busey, had a previous DUI.
RE: RE: RE: There hasn't been a bust of this scale  
81_Great_Dane : 9/8/2020 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14964762 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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With this franchise in quite some time.

Losing 1st rounds picks like this can really hurt a franchise.

Every team has first-round busts. This was bad, but it's not a disaster. If Jones busts, that's about 10x worse. If Dexter Lawrence busts, that's about 3x worse. If Jones is the starter for 10 years and Lawrence makes a couple of Pro Bowls, then it'lll still be a successful first round, even with Baker self-immolating.



Having multiple first round picks makes it seem like it's not so bad.

We've been through this before. When you lose 1st round picks such as due to injury, you create a talent drought that you feel for years. Most likely they will have to spend another first round pick on a corner now. That's a first round pick that can't be spent at a different position.

Its like being stuck on a treadmill. You're not really improving, you're chasing to fill that position.
True, but every team has first-round busts. You can't afford very many of them for exactly the reason you must mentioned. But they happen. If you score on your later picks, you can still have a successful draft.

If you look at the first rounds of the last 10 drafts you'll see a lot of guys who never amounted to anything. Some of those franchises were hobbled, some not so much. The Pats don't seem to be nailing their first-round picks routinely, but they're the Pats, nobody cares.
As dumb as dumb gets ...  
short lease : 9/10/2020 7:26 am : link

1st round draft choice for an NFL team and he is robbing people at gunpoint in his spare time. Wow ....
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