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Best Coaching Staff in a long time

Reale01 : 9/11/2020 1:35 am
Certainly all the way back to Coughlin's prime, possibly back to the Parcells years.

Top to bottom they are very impressive. I feel that coaching makes a huge difference - we will see.
Very Much  
Trainmaster : 9/11/2020 1:42 am : link
Agree.

I hope we’re right.

It will still likely be ugly these first few games.
This can not be understated.....  
George from PA : 9/11/2020 3:18 am : link
Last year, with Olmen still blocking the wrong defenders at end of season, the backs looking confused all year....keeping Bethea on the field every snap, although it was obvious he was done.....while Shurmur was too busy calling plays

Amazing how bad that staff was.....
I like Judge  
MookGiants : 9/11/2020 4:04 am : link
but this staff hasn't coached a single game. Let's relax.

Joe Judge and Staff  
couchcoach100 : 9/11/2020 6:38 am : link
I am extremely comfortable with Judge and his staff. I have not had a good feeling about this team since Coughlin was fired. That was one of the biggest mistakes this organization ever made. They fired the wrong guy, REESE should have been fired not Coughlin.

Gilbride was the 1st one he asked for Olineman to be drafted Reese had other ideas. Next thing you hear is Gilbride is retiring. C'mon? McAdoo was NEVER really wanted by Coughlin. You ask why? Well they were diametrically opposed in their Offensive philosophy. Tom wanted to run the Ball McAdoo didnt. That was proven the year Coughlin was gone and he took over.

We finally have a coaching staff that is more interested in winning games and fundamentally sound football instead of "HIGHLIGHT REEL" plays. Im very comfortable with this team and the staff. We are on the upswing and the light at the end of the tunnel can be seen
How do we know anything  
cjac : 9/11/2020 7:38 am : link
till we see them on the field?

Judge hasn't coached an NFL game yet

How you gonna feel if the Giants are losing 34-10 in the 4th quarter?
It's a pleasure listening to Coach Judge talk and it seems  
LBH15 : 9/11/2020 7:38 am : link
like he has gained the respect of the rest of the coaches and his players. With that, we have no idea whether or not it will resonate on the field of play yet.

If it does, then it will be the best coaching staff in a long time.
Opinions are great but how about supporting your opinion with facts?  
Ivan15 : 9/11/2020 7:45 am : link
Such as:
Many coaches are trained teachers
Coaching staff is younger and more relatable
Younger staff is healthier and more physically able to actually demonstrate the techniques that they are teaching.

I don’t care what your opinion is unless you can back it up.
There's a lot of  
Dnew15 : 9/11/2020 7:52 am : link
head coaching experience on that staff, which can only be a good thing for a rookie head coach.
Let's just wait and see how well they do.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2020 7:54 am : link
This take wont mean anything if it turns out Judge has trouble managing game situations or clock on Monday night.
RE: How do we know anything  
Toth029 : 9/11/2020 8:09 am : link
In comment 14967227 cjac said:
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till we see them on the field?

Judge hasn't coached an NFL game yet

How you gonna feel if the Giants are losing 34-10 in the 4th quarter?

New staff, lots of youth, no OTAs/mini camp/preseason. Up against a great defense who led the league in turnovers and sacks last year, and have a top 10 coach at the helmet. If the Giants win, it will be a big shock to people. It will for me, no doubt about it. Give it time. See how they're doing competitively in Weeks 12 and in time like that. Shaun O'Hara said it took the OL a year or year and a half for the OL to get a feel for itself as a unit.
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Toth029 : 9/11/2020 8:10 am : link
Helm, not helmet.
Couchcoach: there was no significant change in rushing attempts...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/11/2020 8:47 am : link
... From 2015 to 2016: 403 vs. 398. The 11-5 2016 Giants probably would have run more if the running game had been more effective. It stunk. Even the awful 2017 team ran 394 times. Shurmur ran much less than McAdoo, despite the addition of Saquon Barkley.

BTW, rushing attempts ticked up when McAdoo took over from Gilbride as OC. The 2013 Giants ran 381 times. The number rose to 443 in 2014.
It looks like a good staff  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/11/2020 9:01 am : link
Judge learned from two of the best in the business. He will make mistakes. Let's hope he learns fast from them.

Ultimately talent will be the biggest driver but I think Judge has a good chance as the team develops.
with the obvious disclaimer that it's all talk until  
mfsd : 9/11/2020 9:09 am : link
we see how they perform...I'm more optimistic this staff will have the team better prepared to handle basic mental things like the OL picking up stunts, safeties staying in the right zone, etc. Things this team has sucked at for several years.
I'll reserve my judgement until they actually start playing  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2020 9:14 am : link
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RE: There's a lot of  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/11/2020 9:29 am : link
In comment 14967233 Dnew15 said:
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head coaching experience on that staff, which can only be a good thing for a rookie head coach.


Especially in the year when Covid can deplete your staff at anytime!
RE: There's a lot of  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2020 9:32 am : link
In comment 14967233 Dnew15 said:
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head coaching experience on that staff, which can only be a good thing for a rookie head coach.
Or not. No one will know a thing about this coaching staff until the fur flies.
RE: Couchcoach: there was no significant change in rushing attempts...  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2020 9:39 am : link
In comment 14967276 Big Blue Blogger said:
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... From 2015 to 2016: 403 vs. 398. The 11-5 2016 Giants probably would have run more if the running game had been more effective. It stunk. Even the awful 2017 team ran 394 times. Shurmur ran much less than McAdoo, despite the addition of Saquon Barkley.

BTW, rushing attempts ticked up when McAdoo took over from Gilbride as OC. The 2013 Giants ran 381 times. The number rose to 443 in 2014.
2013 was the year the running backs got wiped out. Andre Brown was the leading rusher on the team. They brought Hillis in off his couch and I think he lasted a few games- he was second on the team. Given the state affairs, it is amazing they ran 381 times.
For GIant Fans there  
Phil in LA : 9/11/2020 10:03 am : link
are encouraging markers, like connections to Belichick, Saban and Parcells. So they have some familiarirty to most of, but they still haven coached a game, so alll we can be is hopeful.
RE: For GIant Fans there  
Eric on Li : 9/11/2020 10:24 am : link
In comment 14967344 Phil in LA said:
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are encouraging markers, like connections to Belichick, Saban and Parcells. So they have some familiarirty to most of, but they still haven coached a game, so alll we can be is hopeful.


Not exactly true - Garrett has coached/won more games in the NFCE over the past decade than anyone so there's substance to his resume beyond hope. And he is in charge of the most important unit of the team as the personnel is presently assembled.

Obviously he's not the head coach, but if there's going to be a blanket "talk is cheap, results will speak for themselves", which I think is fair, shouldn't the results the coaching staff have achieved also be factored in? I don't know if he'd have been my first choice for OC + playcaller but there's no denying that he may have the best resume of any assistant coach in the league by the numbers.
Possibly  
Thegratefulhead : 9/11/2020 10:45 am : link
This is my mantra. 12-36. Fucking show me with on the field results. I am hopeful...sure. They could be fooling us. I am skeptical for now and I think it reasonable.
OP ... good thread and I agree with you with the caveat of let’s check  
Spider56 : 9/11/2020 10:58 am : link
again in mid season and see how the staff game manages together and adjusts to the dynamics of the year. I’m thrilled with the potentials.

I do have 1 minor concern of JJ as it relates to language. Now my dad was an Army 1st Sgt and I grew up on Brooklyn streets so I know the value of well placed Fs and MFs but I’ve also lived in the country too and some of the players (and coaches) might not react too well to the words long term ... again, this is football, a mans game and this is a relatively minor point, but hopefully coach will adjust and correct as needed.
BBI is hysterical  
Enzo : 9/11/2020 11:03 am : link
Can this staff coach a game first before we start throwing bouquets? Judge has never been head coach of a team at ANY level...
Judge’s Assistant  
Samiam : 9/11/2020 11:18 am : link
One thing Judge did that is very ballsy and I think right was hiring assistants who had head coaching experience and theoretically could replace him very easy if Judge turns out to be a lousy head coach or has a horrible season. Lots of new coaches don’t want their potential successor on staff because they think it gives them more job security not having a potential competitor working for him. Judge went completely in the other direction bringing in assistants who seem way better than their predecessors on this team.
LOL ....  
Beer Man : 9/11/2020 11:24 am : link
I've been coming to this site since 1998, and its the same every time the team changes coaching staffs. I think I'll wait until we actually see the team play, how they perform, if they've improved, and if they start winning again before making any judgments on the coaching staff.
HomerJones45: Yes, there's a story behind each season's rushing stats.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/11/2020 11:27 am : link
HomerJones45 said:
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2013 was the year the running backs got wiped out. Andre Brown was the leading rusher on the team. They brought Hillis in off his couch and I think he lasted a few games- he was second on the team. Given the state affairs, it is amazing they ran 381 times.
True. On the other hand, Rashad Jennings, Andre Williams, Orleans Darkwa, Shane Vereen and Paul Perkins weren't exactly world-beaters either.

I was just responding to Couchcoach's assertion that the stats somehow "proved" that McAdoo was less inclined to run the ball than Coughlin. The stats don't really prove much of anything, except that the running game stunk between Bradshaw and Barkley, and that it hasn't been consistently effective since 2008.
RE: BBI is hysterical  
Kidprince : 9/11/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 14967383 Enzo said:
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Can this staff coach a game first before we start throwing bouquets? Judge has never been head coach of a team at ANY level...


So on a message board devoted to discussing and giving opinions about the NYG you are taking issue with people saying they think that Judge will be a good NFL coach? Obviously the Wins and Losses will tell the tale, but it seems strange to call out people for thinking, based on limited info, that they really like this guy and project that he’ll be a really good NFL coach. Maybe you disagree with this, or think that its way too early even to make that call yourself. Both of these opinions are fine to have!

I’ve watched just about every Judge interview and follow the team as closely as possible - my opinion is that the Giants got themselves a gem. We shall see!
RE: I like Judge  
Dinger : 9/11/2020 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14967200 MookGiants said:
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but this staff hasn't coached a single game. Let's relax.


+1. I think the same was said about Shurmur and the knucklehead before him BEFORE their first games as well. I like the teaching aspect (or supposed). I like his disciplianry style(though the press and the league think its for highschoolers). Beyond that, I'll wait to see actual play before I say its the best coaching staff in a long time.
Coughlin won two Super Bowls  
BigBlueBuff : 9/11/2020 2:21 pm : link
and this staff might be better than that without every coaching a game? I'd suggest tempering your expectations just a bit.
It appears so, but they're 0-0 right now  
David B. : 9/11/2020 2:39 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 9/11/2020 2:45 pm : link
What is this based on?

Joe Judge has coached zero games in the NFL to date.

I like what I've heard so far and think he's the type of coach we needed - but that's not saying much.

We'll know a lot more in a few days. Even then, we won't know nearly enough.
Looking back  
TyreeHelmet : 9/11/2020 3:10 pm : link
Shurmur and Mcadoo were truly terrible coaches. Bottom 5 of the league for these past years. Roster left a lot to be desired but its hard to win that way.
RE: RE: BBI is hysterical  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2020 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14967408 Kidprince said:
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Can this staff coach a game first before we start throwing bouquets? Judge has never been head coach of a team at ANY level...



So on a message board devoted to discussing and giving opinions about the NYG you are taking issue with people saying they think that Judge will be a good NFL coach? Obviously the Wins and Losses will tell the tale, but it seems strange to call out people for thinking, based on limited info, that they really like this guy and project that he’ll be a really good NFL coach. Maybe you disagree with this, or think that its way too early even to make that call yourself. Both of these opinions are fine to have!

I’ve watched just about every Judge interview and follow the team as closely as possible - my opinion is that the Giants got themselves a gem. We shall see!



I dont think its wrong to feel positive, but it doesn't make for a good discussion topic. "I think Judge is going to be great!" Well okay. He hasn't really done anything yet so there's nothing to discuss, that's all.

Plus, this same discussion happened when McAdoo and Shurmur were hired.
RE: RE: BBI is hysterical  
River Mike : 9/11/2020 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14967408 Kidprince said:
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Can this staff coach a game first before we start throwing bouquets? Judge has never been head coach of a team at ANY level...



So on a message board devoted to discussing and giving opinions about the NYG you are taking issue with people saying they think that Judge will be a good NFL coach? Obviously the Wins and Losses will tell the tale, but it seems strange to call out people for thinking, based on limited info, that they really like this guy and project that he’ll be a really good NFL coach. Maybe you disagree with this, or think that its way too early even to make that call yourself. Both of these opinions are fine to have!

I’ve watched just about every Judge interview and follow the team as closely as possible - my opinion is that the Giants got themselves a gem. We shall see!


BINGO!
It's so predictable .... Hasn't coached a game yet ... wait 'til they play, yada,yada, yada. Its a discussion board, not only about what HAS happened, but opinions on what we think will happen. And that is more interesting and perhaps more important than talking about what HAS happened already. Speculation, opinion, impressions, wishes, all legitimate fodder for discussion. What is so hard to grasp about that concept?
I think many here should look at NE game tapes the last 4 years  
G-crew18 : 9/11/2020 10:08 pm : link
Coach Judge may have been a head coach but he had the GOAT coach Belichick's ear during in-game decisions. Most of the time you would see him close to Belichick throughout the game sharing his input, riding the referees. Coach Judge was handpicked by coach Belichick for the Giants, it should be common knowledge his affinity for the franchise, the owners, and fans. Coach Parcells is on the record being optimistic of coach Judge as are many of his players stating the culture reminiscent of their own experiences.

Given the dominant persona portrayed by the Team in the '80s, there is a reason for optimism by their approval. It is true the staff have yet to display their attributes and impact during the in-game performance but they display the type of energy lacking along the sidelines the past decade.

I believe coach Judge will blow away many doubters here transforming them to raunch supporters. Many have stated there is a lack of talent in the overall roster, I think this also will be amended by midseason as the quality of the staff manifests results on the field.


RE: RE: RE: BBI is hysterical  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2020 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14967559 River Mike said:
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In comment 14967408 Kidprince said:


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In comment 14967383 Enzo said:


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Can this staff coach a game first before we start throwing bouquets? Judge has never been head coach of a team at ANY level...



So on a message board devoted to discussing and giving opinions about the NYG you are taking issue with people saying they think that Judge will be a good NFL coach? Obviously the Wins and Losses will tell the tale, but it seems strange to call out people for thinking, based on limited info, that they really like this guy and project that he’ll be a really good NFL coach. Maybe you disagree with this, or think that its way too early even to make that call yourself. Both of these opinions are fine to have!

I’ve watched just about every Judge interview and follow the team as closely as possible - my opinion is that the Giants got themselves a gem. We shall see!



BINGO!
It's so predictable .... Hasn't coached a game yet ... wait 'til they play, yada,yada, yada. Its a discussion board, not only about what HAS happened, but opinions on what we think will happen. And that is more interesting and perhaps more important than talking about what HAS happened already. Speculation, opinion, impressions, wishes, all legitimate fodder for discussion. What is so hard to grasp about that concept?


The same argument used to support being positive on the staff with no results yet, is the same as the one used to support a position of wait and see. Both are legitimate, and both are valid on a fan forum.
RE: Opinions are great but how about supporting your opinion with facts?  
Reale01 : 9/11/2020 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14967232 Ivan15 said:
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Such as:
Many coaches are trained teachers
Coaching staff is younger and more relatable
Younger staff is healthier and more physically able to actually demonstrate the techniques that they are teaching.

I don’t care what your opinion is unless you can back it up.


I am sorry Ivan I figured you had read their Bios as I have and did not want to waste everyone - except yours - time reciting them. Off the top of my head we have a very successful BCS coach coaching the OLBs, a coach who has had the highest ranked OL coaching the OL, a 10 year head coach in the league as the the OC, another former BCS head coach as an offensive assistant, a 20 year RB coach from the countries best college program (sent upwards of 10 players to NFL) coaching RB, the best two coaches from the last regime, an up and coming DLcoach with impeccable references , a DC who again has great references is clearly smart (Yale) and comes across very well. An ex NFL Head Coach and OC as the TE coach. There is a pattern most are either at or below a level where they have already had some success. I could go on but I am sure that you have already stopped reading.

Anyway nothing is certain - but a head to head comparison vs staffs from the past isn't even close.
RE: RE: I like Judge  
Reale01 : 9/11/2020 11:45 pm : link
In comment 14967499 Dinger said:
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but this staff hasn't coached a single game. Let's relax.

I never liked the Shurmur hire - but there were not a lot of good options. I did not like his staff at all. Thought the DL and OL coaches were weak and the OC and DC very uninspiring.




+1. I think the same was said about Shurmur and the knucklehead before him BEFORE their first games as well. I like the teaching aspect (or supposed). I like his disciplianry style(though the press and the league think its for highschoolers). Beyond that, I'll wait to see actual play before I say its the best coaching staff in a long time.
Keep in mind Bill Parcells' first year as Giants' HC  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/12/2020 8:10 am : link
the team played to a 3-12-1 record and the second overall pick in the NFL draft in 1984.

That worked out just fine as the team became one of a cadre of elite teams by 1985, and won the SB in 86, and again in 90.

I hope folks don't rush to judgement simply on the W/L record this coming year, although I do expect something better than 3-12-1.
I also don't think there's any question that as a group of  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/12/2020 8:21 am : link
individuals the coaching staff Judge has assembled is among the league's most accomplished. How these parts interact and mesh is not known, but the plaudits from the assistant coaches directed at the offensive and defensive Coordinators re their clarity, energy, communication skills and work ethic has been great.

Until we get to W/Ls there's not much more, if anything, we can ask for.
Giants fan  
Big Al : 9/12/2020 11:04 am : link
believe in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter—tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther.
All I want to see is  
GiAnT4LYFE : 9/12/2020 11:41 am : link
Great time management from Judge, and a feel for when to use TO’s. I already know he’ll look more alive than the corpse that was in control last year. Giants should be 1-2 games better than last year with the subtraction of the statue at LT, and a better overall Oline. If we go .500 or better, I would say the coaching staff really prepared and taught well.
Hope springs eternal...  
Grey Pilgrim : 9/12/2020 3:51 pm : link
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RE: Giants fan  
Reale01 : 9/13/2020 10:41 pm : link
In comment 14968036 Big Al said:
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believe in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter—tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther.


So we beat on, boats against the tide.
RE: RE: Giants fan  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/14/2020 10:33 am : link
In comment 14969204 Reale01 said:
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In comment 14968036 Big Al said:


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believe in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter—tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther.



So we beat on, boats against the tide.


Fitzgerald? Well played gentlemen!
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