Back in the mid 1990’s I hated Pat Riley. It was the height of my Knick fandom and I absolutely loved those Knick teams eliminating the Heat in 1998, 1999 & 2000 - all decisive games on Miami’s home court. I felt Riley screwed the Knicks and was weak to leave how he did.
I was wrong. Riley was right to leave. The Knicks JVG era was a result of Riley, those teams played like Riley. JVG was taught by Riley.
Riley left because he wanted more control, the Knicks wouldn’t give it to him and have arguably been the worst franchise in all of sports since the early 2000’s. Meanwhile, Riley is still in Miami building winners. He was 100% correct to leave the incompetent Knicks and imagine if the Knicks gave him the control he wanted. A massive missed opportunity.
They could have worked something out. The Knicks were arrogant (as they usually are).
All, there was no chance in hell him & James Dolan would have coexisted had Riley stuck around in NY.
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He wanted part ownership as well..
They could have worked something out. The Knicks were arrogant (as they usually are).
Not a lot of teams would do it, i am not absolving the knicks and i think if he didnt aak for ownership they would of given him the power
Huh? Parcells retired. It's not like the Giants let him walk.
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in history. The Knicks were idiots for letting him get away. Kind of like the Giants were idiots for letting Parcells leave. When you have a coach that is at the highest elite level you need to figure out a way to keep them happy.
Huh? Parcells retired. It's not like the Giants let him walk.
Parcells almost left the Giants to go to Atlanta right after winning the SB in '86 and they were able to pull him back in. I forget what his issue was. Great coach but a flake who didn't show much loyalty to any of his employers or fans
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In comment 14967974 arniefez said:
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in history. The Knicks were idiots for letting him get away. Kind of like the Giants were idiots for letting Parcells leave. When you have a coach that is at the highest elite level you need to figure out a way to keep them happy.
Huh? Parcells retired. It's not like the Giants let him walk.
Parcells almost left the Giants to go to Atlanta right after winning the SB in '86 and they were able to pull him back in. I forget what his issue was. Great coach but a flake who didn't show much loyalty to any of his employers or fans
Parcells never let the fact go that the giants were going to replace him with schnellenberg. He held that against George young for many years
I can understand not being happy about someone like Schellenberger being rumored to take your job, but after a 3-12-1 season, what would you expect? On the plus side, it did goad him into taking full charge of the team, and the rest is history.
-Parcells was set to be named NYG head coach in 1997, but George Young had already verbally offered Fassel the job and Wellington was not going to change course after that.
-Parcells met with ownership (I believe) prior to the NYG-DAL game in 2006 to discuss their upcoming GM vacancy.
Checketts was drove out?? he was awful when he left...
By 2001 the team was old and run down, jist lost in the 1st round, just fired grunfield 2 yeara prior..
I also believe he was running the rangers and they were awful with a really high payroll..
it wasnt like he waa firdd after 94..he had a lot of powrr there
Was he responsible for the Ewing trade and Allan Houston max contract? I believe he was gone prior and that’s where I would point to the downturn. Trading Sprewell for Van Horn further compounded the problem.
The team was old and likely down after the 2000 ECF loss to Indiana, but trading Ewing for the looks of garbage they got back really set them back. Glenn Rice, Luc Longley & Travis Knight. What a brutal return.
Was he responsible for the Ewing trade and Allan Houston max contract? I believe he was gone prior and that’s where I would point to the downturn. Trading Sprewell for Van Horn further compounded the problem.
The team was old and likely down after the 2000 ECF loss to Indiana, but trading Ewing for the looks of garbage they got back really set them back. Glenn Rice, Luc Longley & Travis Knight. What a brutal return.
I dont remember if he was responsible for the ewing trade..
I stand corrected. He helped contribute to the downfall.
Grunfeld made great moves bringing in Houston, Sprewell & Camby which gave the Knicks a much needed jolt of youth in the late 90’s.
No, Scott Layden made the Ewing deal.
-Parcells was set to be named NYG head coach in 1997, but George Young had already verbally offered Fassel the job and Wellington was not going to change course after that.
-Parcells met with ownership (I believe) prior to the NYG-DAL game in 2006 to discuss their upcoming GM vacancy.
If Young had a cell phone, Parcells is our coach in '97.
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No, Scott Layden made the Ewing deal.
Who was president?
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No, Scott Layden made the Ewing deal.
Who was president?
Checketts was President of MSG at that point. Layden was head of basketball operations. It was his baby.
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No, Scott Layden made the Ewing deal.
Who was president?
Checketts was President of MSG at that point. Layden was head of basketball operations. It was his baby.
There is an article with quotes from checketts saying HIS regret was trading ewing but he did it for Patrick oit of respect
Dolan wasn’t involved with the Knicks during Riley’s time. Riley simply wanted to run basketball operations, and Dave Checkets wasn’t prepared to give Riley his job.
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even obvious ones. Riley's demands seemed absolutely preposterous at the time, but now make a whole lotta sense. The only way he could guarantee little Jimmy would let him run the operation the way he wanted. He knew it wasn't going to happen, but hey you never know. Never hurts to ask.
Dolan wasn’t involved with the Knicks during Riley’s time. Riley simply wanted to run basketball operations, and Dave Checkets wasn’t prepared to give Riley his job.
Thanks for clarifying. Where was Daddy Dolan during all this? He was the ultimate decision maker at that point no? I don't know all that much as I was young at the time. Just bitter I went from a die-hard Knicks fan to don't even watch anymore. Of course that's not all Dolan's fault, don't really like the way they took the game in the NBA.
There is an article with quotes from checketts saying HIS regret was trading ewing but he did it for Patrick oit of respect
I’m sure that the decision to trade the face of the franchise was ultimately made by Checketts and Dolan. But once the decision was made Layden was the guy who actually engineered the trade. He’s the guy who decided to take on Glen Rice’s awful contract, which then begat Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisleys bad contracts.
Thanks for clarifying. Where was Daddy Dolan during all this? He was the ultimate decision maker at that point no? I don't know all that much as I was young at the time. Just bitter I went from a die-hard Knicks fan to don't even watch anymore. Of course that's not all Dolan's fault, don't really like the way they took the game in the NBA.
The Knicks were purchased in 1994 by Cablevision & ITT Corps, which was a year before Riley departed. James Dolan’s father Charles became CEO of Madison Square Garden Corp, but stayed out of decision making for basketball and hockey operations. Dave Checketts, as team President had full authority and did the decision making. In 1999, Charles Dolan bought out ITT and took full ownership of the team.
In 2001, James Dolan wanted to start running things and Checketts was fired.
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