According to Jason Cole's bio of Elway, Tebow made a “cottage industry” of speaking gigs. He charged a $50,000 speaking fee at various churches. When Elway’s wife, Janet, asked Tebow to make an appearance at a charity event. Tebow’s brother reportedly told her it would cost $50,000. Elway's wife declined, saying her husband didn’t pay for such appearances.
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Was going to say the same thing. Really don’t like Elway, and this is a bad look for him. If you are going to write a book and talk about stuff like this than good luck working with people who likely won’t respect you.
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if anyone knows avaricious and self-centered, it's John Elway.
Was going to say the same thing. Really don’t like Elway, and this is a bad look for him. If you are going to write a book and talk about stuff like this than good luck working with people who likely won’t respect you.
Jason Cole wrote the book. It’s about Elway, not by him.
The article pointed a much more damning finger at his talent than his personality.
I find the general Tebow hate fascinating. I’m not religious but lots of people were and are offended about how open he was about his beliefs. Downright hated him for it.
Except Osteen is more accurate.
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that a famous person would exploit their name to profit from speaking fees. Unheard of.
I find the general Tebow hate fascinating. I’m not religious but lots of people were and are offended about how open he was about his beliefs. Downright hated him for it.
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that a famous person would exploit their name to profit from speaking fees. Unheard of.
I find the general Tebow hate fascinating. I’m not religious but lots of people were and are offended about how open he was about his beliefs. Downright hated him for it.
I disliked him due to his constant proselytizing. Also being Christian seemed to be his dominant personality trait. I generally dislike people that base their personality and life around one defining thing. Just very shallow. That being said, he seems like for the most part he walks the walk (heard stories about him not being a virgin for instance)
I would say the vast majority of people in the NFL, and generally in the world, tend to be decent people. Most of them aren't raping women, pointing guns at a pregnant woman's stomach etc. And a lot of NFL players do extensive charity work. His extra attention due to being evangelical, while being a tremendously shitty football player outside of college and people saying he just had a magical quality about him, is a bit annoying. He's a handsome, white, evangelical guy who used that to his advantage. It turns out he's human. I think it's perfectly rational to call it what it is.
And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.
And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)
What good does it do you to hate someone you don’t know? What has he done wrong to you? I’m sure he is more athletic, has more money, etc. than you. You sound like a jealous, bitter woman.
Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash
Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.
Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities
Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash
Shocking that you would say this
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.
Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities
Rare qualities for a famous football player,
Very true. But still not attractive and why I’m not a fan of Brady as well. And not sure self absorbed and egotistic match the values he espouses. I.e., he seems like a bit of a phony
It’s ok not to like him but the venom does seem to be over the top in some cases
He only has a canon arm compared to Joel Osteen. But Osteen can probably hit a change up better.
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of Tebow seemed to be less about him and more about the coverage of him by the Media.
Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash
Shocking that you would say this
Shocking?? Are you going to derail another thread with your pontification? Since you have your pulse on the public, tell us that the Media going over the top to laud a mediocre QB didn't cause some backlash??
Same thing we've seen come into play with other mediocre QB's like Manziel, established QB's like Cam, and publicity stunts that centered around the Brett Favre and LeBron James when they were changing teams and it became a huge Media event.
There is such a thing as an authorized biography. It's not clear to me from that NY Post story whether Elway had approved it. Normally he wouldn't have approval over a book like this, even if he sat for interviews. Usually people do that because it's better to have the writer hear your version of events and not just rely on what other people say about you.
The greed and ego are one thing. The lack of discipline and preparation, and the ineffectiveness on the field, are another.
I dislike Tebow because the Mets signed him, which was lame and embarrassing. He he has been a terrible player but sucked up attention and took a roster spot that would have been better used on a real prospect. As a football player, he just bored me. Overhyped, not very good, and quickly flamed out because he was too arrogant to either excel as a QB or switch positions. He wanted to succeed his way and his way only, and everybody had to adapt to him.
That's not the world. It's sure not the NFL.
I don't hate Tebow, rationally or irrationally. I just want him to go live his life, go preach or run for office or run a company -- away from my baseball team and out of the public eye until he does something really good.
The greed and ego are one thing. The lack of discipline and preparation, and the ineffectiveness on the field, are another.
I dislike Tebow because the Mets signed him, which was lame and embarrassing. He he has been a terrible player but sucked up attention and took a roster spot that would have been better used on a real prospect. As a football player, he just bored me. Overhyped, not very good, and quickly flamed out because he was too arrogant to either excel as a QB or switch positions. He wanted to succeed his way and his way only, and everybody had to adapt to him.
That's not the world. It's sure not the NFL.
I don't hate Tebow, rationally or irrationally. I just want him to go live his life, go preach or run for office or run a company -- away from my baseball team and out of the public eye until he does something really good.
A real prospect? Please enlighten me as to what big time OF prospect the Mets have that he has been holding back?
He just wasn’t good enough, nothing unprofessional at all about not being good enough to play in the NFL. Skipping meetings, blowing off practice, and treating teammates like shit are unprofessional traits/characteristics.
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It said he requested. A simple “no thank you” takes care of just about anything I don’t want in life.
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It said he requested. A simple “no thank you” takes care of just about anything I don’t want in life.
If he was a virgin before he ain't one now lol
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.
And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)
What good does it do you to hate someone you don’t know? What has he done wrong to you? I’m sure he is more athletic, has more money, etc. than you. You sound like a jealous, bitter woman.
I sound like a bitter, jealous woman? I was saying why I think people feel the way they do about him. I don’t hate him. Just trying to have a rational conversation about it. You made a lot of assumptions and I’m offering what I thought was a reasonable response. Why make it so personal?
Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash
Yeah. Deifying these guys is always crazy.
Huh? So the sole reason some people don't like him is because of his religious beliefs? I don't buy that. I don't have an opinion on Tebow @ all, but I'm sure people can dislike him for reasons unrelated to religion. Like, if you're a Steelers fan that lose that playoff game to him when he was the Broncos QB? I'm sure they exist.
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because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.
Huh? So the sole reason some people don't like him is because of his religious beliefs? I don't buy that. I don't have an opinion on Tebow @ all, but I'm sure people can dislike him for reasons unrelated to religion. Like, if you're a Steelers fan that lose that playoff game to him when he was the Broncos QB? I'm sure they exist.
I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.
Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.
He just wasn’t good enough, nothing unprofessional at all about not being good enough to play in the NFL. Skipping meetings, blowing off practice, and treating teammates like shit are unprofessional traits/characteristics.
“As one teammate put it bluntly that season,” Cole wrote, “‘He has no idea what’s going on out there. If the first read doesn’t work, he’s just making it up.'”
But from a pure player development perspective, every at bat, every chance, every minute of batting practice was wasted on him. They might as well have been giving those reps to my dead grandmother. They would have been better off spending the roster space and opportunities on literally any other player in their system, even if they weren't top prospects.
Again, I don't hate Tebow. I'd be happy for him if the Yankees picked him up. But the Yankees don't do that kind of lame shit.
Personally, I think it comes from the flip side of that. There's a ton of people that solely like him because of his religion and hero-worshipped the hell out of him. Living in Florida it's amazing how many people loved Tebow because of his religion and truly believe he was railroaded out because of it. Similar to what we are seeing with Kap.
It really was never about Tebow, but the cult of personality around him. What rubbed me the wrong way about Tebow is he never dissuaded any of this. I think he basked in the glory of all of it, which paradoxically isn't very Christian. It's the hypocritical nature that bugged me most about him. It's like the people that do charity for clout now, it just wasn't a thing back then. Not that he's a bad guy, but I think there is some truth to what Elway claims.
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A real prospect? Please enlighten me as to what big time OF prospect the Mets have that he has been holding back?
It's a fair question. However, IMO Tebow was never a legitimate baseball prospect at all. He was a publicity stunt. Now, if that helped attendance and fan interest in the low minors, I guess that's ok. I grew up in a minor league town and appreciate what that means to a smaller town.
But from a pure player development perspective, every at bat, every chance, every minute of batting practice was wasted on him. They might as well have been giving those reps to my dead grandmother. They would have been better off spending the roster space and opportunities on literally any other player in their system, even if they weren't top prospects.
Again, I don't hate Tebow. I'd be happy for him if the Yankees picked him up. But the Yankees don't do that kind of lame shit.
The Mets OF at the time was pretty barren prospect wise once Nimmo and Conforto graduated. He was not taking ABs away from anyone in the Mets future plans. It would have been another AAA or AAAA player in there
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because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.
Huh? So the sole reason some people don't like him is because of his religious beliefs? I don't buy that. I don't have an opinion on Tebow @ all, but I'm sure people can dislike him for reasons unrelated to religion. Like, if you're a Steelers fan that lose that playoff game to him when he was the Broncos QB? I'm sure they exist.
Yeah nobody hates Kitna for his religious beliefs and if you actually talk to some of the guys he's played with its a bit over the top at times to the point where I've heard it's been an issue with the teams he's played on. The difference is there wasn't this cult around him and he could give interviews without incessantly playing it up. Of course the media was part of the problem here, but like I said before Tebow never did anything to steer conversations here.
It is exactly the image the Media wants to portray and it sets some people off. Fans aren't dumb. When you take the whole content of a mediocre player and package it as a superstar, there's is a certain cult of personality that is front and center. With Tebow, part of that was his beliefs, but a large part of it was making a non-elite player out to be greater than he was.
Googs being Googs.
It’s a little bit more than just religious beliefs. At times he comes off as a bit over the top or attention seeking and that’s being kind. And I have to wonder if he was even more over the top or disingenuous in the locker room than we all knew.
The guy basically portrayed himself as the second coming. That gets old real quick if you’re not the genuine article, especially in the nfl locker room.
Not really worth the energy anymore anyway.
He does a ton for charity, his foundation has built orphanages and children's hospitals and done more for kids in his home in Florida as well as in his native Philippines - where help is desperately needed.
If that's self centered and avaricious I'll take it.
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.
Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities
Sounds as if you described a good percentage of the pro athlete base there.
Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.
Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.
Again, I would point to snark, derision, or outright antipathy towards the "God Squad" on the Giants, right here on BBI. Wish I could recall the (overtly mocked) NFL Amsterdam guy's name to cite as the second example.
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he accomplished a single thing. Of course there was backlash. Lots of players are religious, nobody cares.
Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.
Again, I would point to snark, derision, or outright antipathy towards the "God Squad" on the Giants, right here on BBI. Wish I could recall the (overtly mocked) NFL Amsterdam guy's name to cite as the second example.
Bill, I think it is a combination of the two. Sneakers is right. I get turned off by that shit. Everything has to be the best thing ever.
Look at the takes here a few years ago
- "Cam is doing things we've never seen before"
- "McVay is the best young coach the league has ever seen"
We could go back to the litany of QB's deemed better than Eli before they ever did a damn thing (hello, Josh Freeman)....
Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.
who is "they" and "our"?
Tebow was the most decorated college football player ever - or close to it.
He was #1 in jersey sales out of anyone in the NFL before taking an NFL snap, that's not someone shoving anything down your throat that's fans liking him and having high expectations at the next level.
He clearly didn't meet them, but I don't remember it the way you do.
It doesn't matter what he did in college.
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.
And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)
What good does it do you to hate someone you don’t know? What has he done wrong to you? I’m sure he is more athletic, has more money, etc. than you. You sound like a jealous, bitter woman.
But isn't this the same illogical nonsense many people use to hate on Kaepernick just because he kneels during the anthem? While people may not agree with his politics, he has devoted himself to various causes (putting his own money to it as well), hasn't broken any laws, and has been reported to be a decent human being. People hate on him because they conflate his kneeling to disrespecting the military even after he has come out and explicitly stated that he does respect the military. I don't see people defending Tebow's in-your-face religious views defending Kaepernick's protest, but aren't they essentially doing the same thing, standing up for their beliefs using their platforms?
It doesn't matter what he did in college.
Why is any of that a problem? You have the choice to not buy his jersey and not watch the coverage.
This notion that the media tortured us into liking Tebow is a bit ridiculous and you are 100% wrong on there not being actual fan interest. There's genuine fan interest for many players who end up not being good - just reflect on some Giants of the past if you don't believe me.
Some of that was probably unique to Tebow - no argument, but most of it was no different than high hopes like there were with someone like RG3.
RG3 obviously had a lot more NFL success, but neither was a great NFL fit - Tebow worse, but both heavily marketed. - just to offer another example.
It goes deeper than his religion as has been suggested Tons of players share those beliefs and no one bats an eye. Tebow stands out from them for other reasons.
PR misfire.
Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.
You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.
It is exactly the image the Media wants to portray and it sets some people off. Fans aren't dumb. When you take the whole content of a mediocre player and package it as a superstar, there's is a certain cult of personality that is front and center. With Tebow, part of that was his beliefs, but a large part of it was making a non-elite player out to be greater than he was.
10000000%
Back to the OP and Tebow charging $50k for a speaking fee...absolutely petty and uncalled for Elway questioning what he can/cannot earn, who he charges, and even what he may do with this money.
The facts are pretty clear that Tebow is about as charitable a person there is with his efforts in the US and around the world.
As far as the league marketing him, you can't blame Tebow for the idiot McDaniel drafting him way higher than he should have. That gave a sense of Tebow as potentially being capable of playing at a high level to some fans (at least that's what the league thought to keep promoting him). Then he has a few decent games with his legs and that win with his arm against the Steelers in the playoffs, and boom, Tebow's 15 minutes as a player gets extended a little longer.
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by when Saquon Barkley is referred to as a generational running back or that Eli Manning was an elite NFL quarterback.
Do Giants fans get turned off when Rivers is called an elite QB? Or when Ben is? Heck, do people even et turned off when Stafford is called elite?
And do Giants fans get pissed when other team's players are called generational?
Seems like the creation of a strawman just to get a snarky take in. And a bullshit take to boot.
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.
Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.
You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.
Why are you the arbiter of what people should or shouldn't find offensive? Since when does intent matter?
I find very few things in this world offensive, but I hesitate to tell someone else what they should find offensive as if I am the source of what should or shouldn't qualify. What makes you qualified?
When you listen to the reasons why families of fallen soldiers or even policemen and policewomen find the flag/anthem protests offensive I get it. Even if I did not find it offensive I would understand.
Not hard for me to be empathetic to the causes the players are protesting, and also understand and be empathetic to people who find those protests offensive
Again - who complains if Eli is called elite or Barkley generational?
Making up stances isn't really adding much here
Why because you use it so often?
Lets see if it continues as much.
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.
Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.
You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.
Why are you the arbiter of what people should or shouldn't find offensive? Since when does intent matter?
I find very few things in this world offensive, but I hesitate to tell someone else what they should find offensive as if I am the source of what should or shouldn't qualify. What makes you qualified?
When you listen to the reasons why families of fallen soldiers or even policemen and policewomen find the flag/anthem protests offensive I get it. Even if I did not find it offensive I would understand.
Not hard for me to be empathetic to the causes the players are protesting, and also understand and be empathetic to people who find those protests offensive
I think your last paragraph is 100% correct, and I would agree with you. But most people don't think that way. If someone protesting during the anthem for a cause states that he is not protesting the military and respect the military and that he learned to kneel after speaking to a service member, then maybe he isn't disrespecting the military? Yet people refuse to believe that or be empathetic to his cause because god forbid he is protesting during the anthem, which the military doesn't own.
You and I have very different views, but we also share similar values, I believe. So I'm not trying to be the arbiter of what people should get offended by or whatnot. My opinion is that someone purposely ignoring the fact (such as that Kaepernick isn't disrespecting the military) can be called out for conflating different issues to validate their outrage.
Another thing, I don't speak for all service members, and I've never said I do or will ever say that I do. So in a previous thread when you mentioned how I said GTFOH to SGMen's post, it wasn't me trying to say that he shouldn't have an opinion, no matter if I disagree with it. It was me pushing back on his use of his combat veteran status to say that WE all will not watch the NFL. Who is he to speak for US all just because he's a combat veteran. Hence my comment about him being entitled. Just wanted to clarify that since the thread was locked up.
He died before this recent discussion about the anthem, but when there were other protests he used to say that the right to protest was one that he and his fellow servicemen fought to provide. A country where dissidents aren't dragged into an alley and summarily shot
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.
Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.
You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.
I don't know whether you're building upon what I said or rebutting it, but I've never said anything about anyone disrespecting the military. I've never really even posted much about Kap other than I thought he was overrated. I certainly didn't have a take on his kneeling as disrespecting the military. That's actually not a connection (to the anthem) that I would make since I don't really see the anthem as being (just a) military thing.
No...I was piggybacking off of your post that I agreed with. There are too many things that seems to trigger people, and I'm a bleeding heart liberal that gets triggered by everything, supposedly. My apology if it wasn't clear.