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New Elway bio claims Tebow was avaricious and self-centered

GeofromNJ : 9/12/2020 10:55 am
According to Jason Cole's bio of Elway, Tebow made a “cottage industry” of speaking gigs. He charged a $50,000 speaking fee at various churches. When Elway’s wife, Janet, asked Tebow to make an appearance at a charity event. Tebow’s brother reportedly told her it would cost $50,000. Elway's wife declined, saying her husband didn’t pay for such appearances.
Tim Tebow’s ego and greed led to his Broncos ruination: book - ( New Window )
This resonates...  
BamaBlue : 9/12/2020 11:00 am : link
if anyone knows avaricious and self-centered, it's John Elway.
Elway would be real offended  
KDavies : 9/12/2020 11:29 am : link
by the speaking figures of other public figures.
What a shock!  
Ben in Tampa : 9/12/2020 11:31 am : link
Tebow is Joel Olsteen with a canon arm
RE: This resonates...  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 11:47 am : link
In comment 14968032 BamaBlue said:
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if anyone knows avaricious and self-centered, it's John Elway.


Was going to say the same thing. Really don’t like Elway, and this is a bad look for him. If you are going to write a book and talk about stuff like this than good luck working with people who likely won’t respect you.
RE: RE: This resonates...  
81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2020 11:50 am : link
In comment 14968059 UConn4523 said:
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if anyone knows avaricious and self-centered, it's John Elway.



Was going to say the same thing. Really don’t like Elway, and this is a bad look for him. If you are going to write a book and talk about stuff like this than good luck working with people who likely won’t respect you.

Jason Cole wrote the book. It’s about Elway, not by him.
Ahhh I see  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 11:52 am : link
figured it was something written or at least approved by Elway.
I'm sure his ego and greed  
fkap : 9/12/2020 11:57 am : link
would have been tolerated just fine if he had QB skills.
The article pointed a much more damning finger at his talent than his personality.
I find it shocking  
Big Al : 9/12/2020 12:00 pm : link
that a famous person would exploit their name to profit from speaking fees. Unheard of.
RE: I find it shocking  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14968070 Big Al said:
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that a famous person would exploit their name to profit from speaking fees. Unheard of.


I find the general Tebow hate fascinating. I’m not religious but lots of people were and are offended about how open he was about his beliefs. Downright hated him for it.
RE: What a shock!  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2020 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14968047 Ben in Tampa said:
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Tebow is Joel Olsteen with a canon arm


Except Osteen is more accurate.
RE: RE: I find it shocking  
montanagiant : 9/12/2020 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14968072 UConn4523 said:
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that a famous person would exploit their name to profit from speaking fees. Unheard of.



I find the general Tebow hate fascinating. I’m not religious but lots of people were and are offended about how open he was about his beliefs. Downright hated him for it.
My issue wasn't his beliefs. To me, it seemed like he was pandering more for the TV than anything else. I remember one time he made a good play where they scored and he purposefully waited until the camera was on him to do his kneel down
RE: RE: I find it shocking  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2020 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14968072 UConn4523 said:
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that a famous person would exploit their name to profit from speaking fees. Unheard of.



I find the general Tebow hate fascinating. I’m not religious but lots of people were and are offended about how open he was about his beliefs. Downright hated him for it.


I disliked him due to his constant proselytizing. Also being Christian seemed to be his dominant personality trait. I generally dislike people that base their personality and life around one defining thing. Just very shallow. That being said, he seems like for the most part he walks the walk (heard stories about him not being a virgin for instance)
You mean Tebow is human?  
Eli Wilson : 9/12/2020 12:21 pm : link
I guess I should stop making sacrifices to him.
Being shallow  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 12:23 pm : link
shouldn’t make you hate someone. Isn’t that pretty shitty?
I used to like  
Big Al : 9/12/2020 12:26 pm : link
former BBI poster Rocky/Spock even after he told me that I and my whole family were going to Hell.
The Lord helps those that help themselves...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/12/2020 12:30 pm : link
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RE: I used to like  
Big Al : 9/12/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14968088 Big Al said:
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former BBI poster Rocky/Spock even after he told me that I and my whole family were going to Hell.
Hi Brett. I think it was you who eventually exposed him by posting his comments from another site. He left after that. I guess I was wrong about him all along.
Good God  
KDavies : 9/12/2020 12:35 pm : link
I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.
RE: Good God  
JesseS : 9/12/2020 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14968094 KDavies said:
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.


I would say the vast majority of people in the NFL, and generally in the world, tend to be decent people. Most of them aren't raping women, pointing guns at a pregnant woman's stomach etc. And a lot of NFL players do extensive charity work. His extra attention due to being evangelical, while being a tremendously shitty football player outside of college and people saying he just had a magical quality about him, is a bit annoying. He's a handsome, white, evangelical guy who used that to his advantage. It turns out he's human. I think it's perfectly rational to call it what it is.
RE: Good God  
JesseS : 9/12/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14968094 KDavies said:
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.


And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)
I don't believe he was avaricious or self centered  
Gman11 : 9/12/2020 1:25 pm : link
After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.
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KDavies : 9/12/2020 1:28 pm : link
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.



And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)


What good does it do you to hate someone you don’t know? What has he done wrong to you? I’m sure he is more athletic, has more money, etc. than you. You sound like a jealous, bitter woman.
The dislike..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2020 1:36 pm : link
of Tebow seemed to be less about him and more about the coverage of him by the Media.

Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash
Elway isn't  
Pete in MD : 9/12/2020 1:41 pm : link
above the speaking circuit either. I saw him speak at a conference on behalf of a specialty pharmacy company. He basically told a few random stories, mentioned the company's name, and threw a few foam footballs into the crowd. I'm not religious or a Tebow lover but I think he tries to inspire people when he speaks. You could tell Elway was just there for a paycheck.
RE: I don't believe he was avaricious or self centered  
ArlingtonMike : 9/12/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14968134 Gman11 said:
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.

Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities
RE: RE: I don't believe he was avaricious or self centered  
Big Al : 9/12/2020 1:48 pm : link
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.


Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities
Rare qualities for a famous football player,
RE: The dislike..  
ArlingtonMike : 9/12/2020 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14968143 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of Tebow seemed to be less about him and more about the coverage of him by the Media.

Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash

Shocking that you would say this
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ArlingtonMike : 9/12/2020 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14968157 Big Al said:
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.


Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities

Rare qualities for a famous football player,

Very true. But still not attractive and why I’m not a fan of Brady as well. And not sure self absorbed and egotistic match the values he espouses. I.e., he seems like a bit of a phony
I think all the Tebow coverage was over the top  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 1:54 pm : link
but it didn’t make me mad, just ignored it. He’s a really intriguing character study, because as someone else mentioned a guy like him really helps to bring out everyone else’s true colors.
RE: I think all the Tebow coverage was over the top  
ArlingtonMike : 9/12/2020 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14968163 UConn4523 said:
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but it didn’t make me mad, just ignored it. He’s a really intriguing character study, because as someone else mentioned a guy like him really helps to bring out everyone else’s true colors.

It’s ok not to like him but the venom does seem to be over the top in some cases
RE: What a shock!  
allstarjim : 9/12/2020 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14968047 Ben in Tampa said:
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Tebow is Joel Olsteen with a canon arm


He only has a canon arm compared to Joel Osteen. But Osteen can probably hit a change up better.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2020 2:26 pm : link
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of Tebow seemed to be less about him and more about the coverage of him by the Media.

Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash


Shocking that you would say this


Shocking?? Are you going to derail another thread with your pontification? Since you have your pulse on the public, tell us that the Media going over the top to laud a mediocre QB didn't cause some backlash??

Same thing we've seen come into play with other mediocre QB's like Manziel, established QB's like Cam, and publicity stunts that centered around the Brett Favre and LeBron James when they were changing teams and it became a huge Media event.

RE: Ahhh I see  
81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2020 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14968063 UConn4523 said:
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figured it was something written or at least approved by Elway.

There is such a thing as an authorized biography. It's not clear to me from that NY Post story whether Elway had approved it. Normally he wouldn't have approval over a book like this, even if he sat for interviews. Usually people do that because it's better to have the writer hear your version of events and not just rely on what other people say about you.
Interesting what we're not talking about:  
81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2020 2:36 pm : link
Tebow's teammates didn't like him because he was a one-read-and-then-improvise guy, wouldn't learn the progressions, wouldn't learn to read defenses. In a nutshell, not a professional QB.

The greed and ego are one thing. The lack of discipline and preparation, and the ineffectiveness on the field, are another.

I dislike Tebow because the Mets signed him, which was lame and embarrassing. He he has been a terrible player but sucked up attention and took a roster spot that would have been better used on a real prospect. As a football player, he just bored me. Overhyped, not very good, and quickly flamed out because he was too arrogant to either excel as a QB or switch positions. He wanted to succeed his way and his way only, and everybody had to adapt to him.

That's not the world. It's sure not the NFL.

I don't hate Tebow, rationally or irrationally. I just want him to go live his life, go preach or run for office or run a company -- away from my baseball team and out of the public eye until he does something really good.
RE: Interesting what we're not talking about:  
KDavies : 9/12/2020 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14968198 81_Great_Dane said:
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Tebow's teammates didn't like him because he was a one-read-and-then-improvise guy, wouldn't learn the progressions, wouldn't learn to read defenses. In a nutshell, not a professional QB.

The greed and ego are one thing. The lack of discipline and preparation, and the ineffectiveness on the field, are another.

I dislike Tebow because the Mets signed him, which was lame and embarrassing. He he has been a terrible player but sucked up attention and took a roster spot that would have been better used on a real prospect. As a football player, he just bored me. Overhyped, not very good, and quickly flamed out because he was too arrogant to either excel as a QB or switch positions. He wanted to succeed his way and his way only, and everybody had to adapt to him.

That's not the world. It's sure not the NFL.

I don't hate Tebow, rationally or irrationally. I just want him to go live his life, go preach or run for office or run a company -- away from my baseball team and out of the public eye until he does something really good.


A real prospect? Please enlighten me as to what big time OF prospect the Mets have that he has been holding back?
81  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 3:16 pm : link
that’s bullshit, IMO. Are you saying he purposely refused to get better? That’s some far out there theory.

He just wasn’t good enough, nothing unprofessional at all about not being good enough to play in the NFL. Skipping meetings, blowing off practice, and treating teammates like shit are unprofessional traits/characteristics.
So sad the hate for a guy  
section125 : 9/12/2020 3:58 pm : link
because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.
However  
Big Al : 9/12/2020 4:51 pm : link
this would have made me hate him. Do your thing however you want but leave me out of it.
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RE: However  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14968266 Big Al said:
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this would have made me hate him. Do your thing however you want but leave me out of it. Link - ( New Window )


It said he requested. A simple “no thank you” takes care of just about anything I don’t want in life.
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Big Al : 9/12/2020 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14968269 UConn4523 said:
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this would have made me hate him. Do your thing however you want but leave me out of it. Link - ( New Window )



It said he requested. A simple “no thank you” takes care of just about anything I don’t want in life.
He did not make a request to the players. He made it on behalf of the players without their permission.
If you want to hate Tebow  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/12/2020 5:48 pm : link
Hate him for marrying a former Miss Universe
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jnoble : 9/12/2020 6:13 pm : link
In comment 14968284 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Hate him for marrying a former Miss Universe


If he was a virgin before he ain't one now lol
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JesseS : 9/12/2020 6:20 pm : link
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.



And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)



What good does it do you to hate someone you don’t know? What has he done wrong to you? I’m sure he is more athletic, has more money, etc. than you. You sound like a jealous, bitter woman.


I sound like a bitter, jealous woman? I was saying why I think people feel the way they do about him. I don’t hate him. Just trying to have a rational conversation about it. You made a lot of assumptions and I’m offering what I thought was a reasonable response. Why make it so personal?
RE: The dislike..  
JesseS : 9/12/2020 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14968143 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of Tebow seemed to be less about him and more about the coverage of him by the Media.

Whenever sports coverage goes over the top, there's a lot of backlash


Yeah. Deifying these guys is always crazy.
RE: So sad the hate for a guy  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/12/2020 7:02 pm : link
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because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.


Huh? So the sole reason some people don't like him is because of his religious beliefs? I don't buy that. I don't have an opinion on Tebow @ all, but I'm sure people can dislike him for reasons unrelated to religion. Like, if you're a Steelers fan that lose that playoff game to him when he was the Broncos QB? I'm sure they exist.
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Bill L : 9/12/2020 7:08 pm : link
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because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.



Huh? So the sole reason some people don't like him is because of his religious beliefs? I don't buy that. I don't have an opinion on Tebow @ all, but I'm sure people can dislike him for reasons unrelated to religion. Like, if you're a Steelers fan that lose that playoff game to him when he was the Broncos QB? I'm sure they exist.

I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.

Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.
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81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2020 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14968210 UConn4523 said:
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that’s bullshit, IMO. Are you saying he purposely refused to get better? That’s some far out there theory.

He just wasn’t good enough, nothing unprofessional at all about not being good enough to play in the NFL. Skipping meetings, blowing off practice, and treating teammates like shit are unprofessional traits/characteristics.
"Purposely refused to get better"? I don't know what he tried to do or refused to do, other than refusing to become a TE. Here's what the NY Post article says:
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In the book, Cole writes the Broncos thought Tebow was “simply awful,” and “struggled to understand concepts in reading defense and executing the offense.”

“As one teammate put it bluntly that season,” Cole wrote, “‘He has no idea what’s going on out there. If the first read doesn’t work, he’s just making it up.'”
Tebow doesn't strike me as dumb. But it's true that the article doesn't say he is lazy or unwilling.

Bill  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/12/2020 7:23 pm : link
I reread my post. I shouldn't have said 'some'. Some people definitely dislike him because he's vocal about his religion. But is that for EVERYONE who dislikes him? I doubt it.
He didn’t want to play TE  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2020 7:25 pm : link
that’s his business and no one else’s. He bet on himself to be a QB and it didn’t work out. You tip your cap and move on.
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81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2020 7:27 pm : link
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A real prospect? Please enlighten me as to what big time OF prospect the Mets have that he has been holding back?
It's a fair question. However, IMO Tebow was never a legitimate baseball prospect at all. He was a publicity stunt. Now, if that helped attendance and fan interest in the low minors, I guess that's ok. I grew up in a minor league town and appreciate what that means to a smaller town.

But from a pure player development perspective, every at bat, every chance, every minute of batting practice was wasted on him. They might as well have been giving those reps to my dead grandmother. They would have been better off spending the roster space and opportunities on literally any other player in their system, even if they weren't top prospects.

Again, I don't hate Tebow. I'd be happy for him if the Yankees picked him up. But the Yankees don't do that kind of lame shit.
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Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2020 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14968326 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I reread my post. I shouldn't have said 'some'. Some people definitely dislike him because he's vocal about his religion. But is that for EVERYONE who dislikes him? I doubt it.


Personally, I think it comes from the flip side of that. There's a ton of people that solely like him because of his religion and hero-worshipped the hell out of him. Living in Florida it's amazing how many people loved Tebow because of his religion and truly believe he was railroaded out because of it. Similar to what we are seeing with Kap.

It really was never about Tebow, but the cult of personality around him. What rubbed me the wrong way about Tebow is he never dissuaded any of this. I think he basked in the glory of all of it, which paradoxically isn't very Christian. It's the hypocritical nature that bugged me most about him. It's like the people that do charity for clout now, it just wasn't a thing back then. Not that he's a bad guy, but I think there is some truth to what Elway claims.
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KDavies : 9/12/2020 7:48 pm : link
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A real prospect? Please enlighten me as to what big time OF prospect the Mets have that he has been holding back?

It's a fair question. However, IMO Tebow was never a legitimate baseball prospect at all. He was a publicity stunt. Now, if that helped attendance and fan interest in the low minors, I guess that's ok. I grew up in a minor league town and appreciate what that means to a smaller town.

But from a pure player development perspective, every at bat, every chance, every minute of batting practice was wasted on him. They might as well have been giving those reps to my dead grandmother. They would have been better off spending the roster space and opportunities on literally any other player in their system, even if they weren't top prospects.

Again, I don't hate Tebow. I'd be happy for him if the Yankees picked him up. But the Yankees don't do that kind of lame shit.


The Mets OF at the time was pretty barren prospect wise once Nimmo and Conforto graduated. He was not taking ABs away from anyone in the Mets future plans. It would have been another AAA or AAAA player in there
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Zeke's Alibi : 9/12/2020 7:49 pm : link
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because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.



Huh? So the sole reason some people don't like him is because of his religious beliefs? I don't buy that. I don't have an opinion on Tebow @ all, but I'm sure people can dislike him for reasons unrelated to religion. Like, if you're a Steelers fan that lose that playoff game to him when he was the Broncos QB? I'm sure they exist.


Yeah nobody hates Kitna for his religious beliefs and if you actually talk to some of the guys he's played with its a bit over the top at times to the point where I've heard it's been an issue with the teams he's played on. The difference is there wasn't this cult around him and he could give interviews without incessantly playing it up. Of course the media was part of the problem here, but like I said before Tebow never did anything to steer conversations here.
I like.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2020 9:25 pm : link
the cult of personality take.

It is exactly the image the Media wants to portray and it sets some people off. Fans aren't dumb. When you take the whole content of a mediocre player and package it as a superstar, there's is a certain cult of personality that is front and center. With Tebow, part of that was his beliefs, but a large part of it was making a non-elite player out to be greater than he was.
That's deep  
LBH15 : 9/12/2020 9:44 pm : link
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I'd imagine..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2020 10:08 pm : link
you'd think so. It was more than one line of a thought.

Googs being Googs.
LOL  
LBH15 : 9/12/2020 10:12 pm : link
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I don’t blame anyone for pricing their speaking fees to the market.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/13/2020 8:22 am : link
Nobody has to pay if they don’t see the value, whether it’s a megachurch or Goldman Sachs. IMO, judge speakers by their effort/performance, and by what they do with the money, not where they speak or how much their handlers charge.
RE: So sad the hate for a guy  
djm : 9/13/2020 10:47 am : link
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because he has religious beliefs and that is all it is.


It’s a little bit more than just religious beliefs. At times he comes off as a bit over the top or attention seeking and that’s being kind. And I have to wonder if he was even more over the top or disingenuous in the locker room than we all knew.

The guy basically portrayed himself as the second coming. That gets old real quick if you’re not the genuine article, especially in the nfl locker room.

Not really worth the energy anymore anyway.
The world  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2020 11:02 am : link
could use more Tim Tebows - just not playing professional football (or baseball). Though obviously being one of the most decorated college athletes in history probably built a lot of what defines him. But I don't know him personally any more than anyone else on here.

He does a ton for charity, his foundation has built orphanages and children's hospitals and done more for kids in his home in Florida as well as in his native Philippines - where help is desperately needed.

If that's self centered and avaricious I'll take it.




RE: RE: I don't believe he was avaricious or self centered  
Route 9 : 9/13/2020 12:18 pm : link
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After all, I saw him kneeling in the end zone so he couldn't be.


Comes across as self-absorbed with a big ego. Not attractive qualities


Sounds as if you described a good percentage of the pro athlete base there.
I'm guilty of irrational dislike of the guy  
TJ : 9/13/2020 7:58 pm : link
I have a deep distrust of anybody who parades their religious belief as their defining characteristic. Not sure where I got it but I've never been able to shake it.
They shoved him down our throats before  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/13/2020 11:58 pm : link
he accomplished a single thing. Of course there was backlash. Lots of players are religious, nobody cares.

Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.
RE: They shoved him down our throats before  
Bill L : 9/14/2020 7:26 am : link
In comment 14969307 Sneakers O'toole said:
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he accomplished a single thing. Of course there was backlash. Lots of players are religious, nobody cares.

Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.

Again, I would point to snark, derision, or outright antipathy towards the "God Squad" on the Giants, right here on BBI. Wish I could recall the (overtly mocked) NFL Amsterdam guy's name to cite as the second example.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 8:42 am : link
In comment 14969346 Bill L said:
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he accomplished a single thing. Of course there was backlash. Lots of players are religious, nobody cares.

Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.


Again, I would point to snark, derision, or outright antipathy towards the "God Squad" on the Giants, right here on BBI. Wish I could recall the (overtly mocked) NFL Amsterdam guy's name to cite as the second example.


Bill, I think it is a combination of the two. Sneakers is right. I get turned off by that shit. Everything has to be the best thing ever.

Look at the takes here a few years ago
- "Cam is doing things we've never seen before"
- "McVay is the best young coach the league has ever seen"

We could go back to the litany of QB's deemed better than Eli before they ever did a damn thing (hello, Josh Freeman)....
RE: They shoved him down our throats before  
pjcas18 : 9/14/2020 9:03 am : link
In comment 14969307 Sneakers O'toole said:
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he accomplished a single thing. Of course there was backlash. Lots of players are religious, nobody cares.

Generally speakinf, most fans don't care all that much about player's personal lives or beliefs. The league and the media shovel all that human interest crap.



who is "they" and "our"?

Tebow was the most decorated college football player ever - or close to it.

He was #1 in jersey sales out of anyone in the NFL before taking an NFL snap, that's not someone shoving anything down your throat that's fans liking him and having high expectations at the next level.

He clearly didn't meet them, but I don't remember it the way you do.
Im referring the pro game  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/14/2020 9:12 am : link
He hadn't done anything. They tried to market him, it backfired.

It doesn't matter what he did in college.
I spell out who they are  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/14/2020 9:16 am : link
They being the league marketing machine and the media. They drove the Tebow phenomenon. It wasn't based on organic fan interest. The backlash was plenty organic though.
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RC in MD : 9/14/2020 9:19 am : link
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I will say one thing about Tebow. Those that have an irrational dislike for him: it says a lot about the people who dislike him than it does about Tebow. All the pieces of shit in the NFL, and this is the guy you have a problem with? By all accounts he is a good man, and he does quite a bit of charity work. But I guess he’s never raped a woman, or pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach.



And also, that's quite an assumption to think that people that have a problem with him, don't have a problem with the aforementioned rapists. Bold. :)



What good does it do you to hate someone you don’t know? What has he done wrong to you? I’m sure he is more athletic, has more money, etc. than you. You sound like a jealous, bitter woman.


But isn't this the same illogical nonsense many people use to hate on Kaepernick just because he kneels during the anthem? While people may not agree with his politics, he has devoted himself to various causes (putting his own money to it as well), hasn't broken any laws, and has been reported to be a decent human being. People hate on him because they conflate his kneeling to disrespecting the military even after he has come out and explicitly stated that he does respect the military. I don't see people defending Tebow's in-your-face religious views defending Kaepernick's protest, but aren't they essentially doing the same thing, standing up for their beliefs using their platforms?
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UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 9:20 am : link
In comment 14969426 Sneakers O'toole said:
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He hadn't done anything. They tried to market him, it backfired.

It doesn't matter what he did in college.


Why is any of that a problem? You have the choice to not buy his jersey and not watch the coverage.

This notion that the media tortured us into liking Tebow is a bit ridiculous and you are 100% wrong on there not being actual fan interest. There's genuine fan interest for many players who end up not being good - just reflect on some Giants of the past if you don't believe me.
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pjcas18 : 9/14/2020 9:22 am : link
In comment 14969433 Sneakers O'toole said:
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They being the league marketing machine and the media. They drove the Tebow phenomenon. It wasn't based on organic fan interest. The backlash was plenty organic though.


Some of that was probably unique to Tebow - no argument, but most of it was no different than high hopes like there were with someone like RG3.

RG3 obviously had a lot more NFL success, but neither was a great NFL fit - Tebow worse, but both heavily marketed. - just to offer another example.
Its not a problem  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/14/2020 9:25 am : link
I don't care about Tebow at all, never did. Its just my opinion why people turned on him. Or are we pretending they didn't.

It goes deeper than his religion as has been suggested Tons of players share those beliefs and no one bats an eye. Tebow stands out from them for other reasons.

PR misfire.
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RC in MD : 9/14/2020 9:34 am : link
In comment 14968316 Bill L said:
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.

Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.


You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.
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RC in MD : 9/14/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 14968381 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the cult of personality take.

It is exactly the image the Media wants to portray and it sets some people off. Fans aren't dumb. When you take the whole content of a mediocre player and package it as a superstar, there's is a certain cult of personality that is front and center. With Tebow, part of that was his beliefs, but a large part of it was making a non-elite player out to be greater than he was.


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Would imagine non-NY Giant fans get pretty turned off  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 9:35 am : link
by when Saquon Barkley is referred to as a generational running back or that Eli Manning was an elite NFL quarterback.

Back to the OP and Tebow charging $50k for a speaking fee...absolutely petty and uncalled for Elway questioning what he can/cannot earn, who he charges, and even what he may do with this money.

The facts are pretty clear that Tebow is about as charitable a person there is with his efforts in the US and around the world.
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RC in MD : 9/14/2020 9:41 am : link
Not sure why people hate on Tebow. He has his beliefs, he practices them despite the backlash. Good for him. I'm not religious at all, but I can respect someone, who lives their beliefs.

As far as the league marketing him, you can't blame Tebow for the idiot McDaniel drafting him way higher than he should have. That gave a sense of Tebow as potentially being capable of playing at a high level to some fans (at least that's what the league thought to keep promoting him). Then he has a few decent games with his legs and that win with his arm against the Steelers in the playoffs, and boom, Tebow's 15 minutes as a player gets extended a little longer.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 9:55 am : link
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LBH15 : 9:35 am : link : reply
by when Saquon Barkley is referred to as a generational running back or that Eli Manning was an elite NFL quarterback.


Do Giants fans get turned off when Rivers is called an elite QB? Or when Ben is? Heck, do people even et turned off when Stafford is called elite?

And do Giants fans get pissed when other team's players are called generational?

Seems like the creation of a strawman just to get a snarky take in. And a bullshit take to boot.
Shocking response. Mention Aaron Rodgers and Hall of Famer  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 9:58 am : link
and numerous BBI posters cry the blues why Eli Manning doesn't get more respect.

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pjcas18 : 9/14/2020 10:04 am : link
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.

Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.



You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.


Why are you the arbiter of what people should or shouldn't find offensive? Since when does intent matter?

I find very few things in this world offensive, but I hesitate to tell someone else what they should find offensive as if I am the source of what should or shouldn't qualify. What makes you qualified?

When you listen to the reasons why families of fallen soldiers or even policemen and policewomen find the flag/anthem protests offensive I get it. Even if I did not find it offensive I would understand.

Not hard for me to be empathetic to the causes the players are protesting, and also understand and be empathetic to people who find those protests offensive
Not shocking at..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:05 am : link
all.

Again - who complains if Eli is called elite or Barkley generational?

Making up stances isn't really adding much here
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LBH15 : 9/14/2020 10:06 am : link
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That's..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:07 am : link
the correct response from a chucklehead....
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LBH15 : 9/14/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 14969527 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the correct response from a chucklehead....


Why because you use it so often?

Lets see if it continues as much.
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RC in MD : 9/14/2020 10:33 am : link
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.

Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.



You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.



Why are you the arbiter of what people should or shouldn't find offensive? Since when does intent matter?

I find very few things in this world offensive, but I hesitate to tell someone else what they should find offensive as if I am the source of what should or shouldn't qualify. What makes you qualified?

When you listen to the reasons why families of fallen soldiers or even policemen and policewomen find the flag/anthem protests offensive I get it. Even if I did not find it offensive I would understand.

Not hard for me to be empathetic to the causes the players are protesting, and also understand and be empathetic to people who find those protests offensive


I think your last paragraph is 100% correct, and I would agree with you. But most people don't think that way. If someone protesting during the anthem for a cause states that he is not protesting the military and respect the military and that he learned to kneel after speaking to a service member, then maybe he isn't disrespecting the military? Yet people refuse to believe that or be empathetic to his cause because god forbid he is protesting during the anthem, which the military doesn't own.

You and I have very different views, but we also share similar values, I believe. So I'm not trying to be the arbiter of what people should get offended by or whatnot. My opinion is that someone purposely ignoring the fact (such as that Kaepernick isn't disrespecting the military) can be called out for conflating different issues to validate their outrage.

Another thing, I don't speak for all service members, and I've never said I do or will ever say that I do. So in a previous thread when you mentioned how I said GTFOH to SGMen's post, it wasn't me trying to say that he shouldn't have an opinion, no matter if I disagree with it. It was me pushing back on his use of his combat veteran status to say that WE all will not watch the NFL. Who is he to speak for US all just because he's a combat veteran. Hence my comment about him being entitled. Just wanted to clarify that since the thread was locked up.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:57 am : link
to say that he fought for freedom. And with freedom also comes the freedom to do what is held my the majority as well as what is held by the minority.

He died before this recent discussion about the anthem, but when there were other protests he used to say that the right to protest was one that he and his fellow servicemen fought to provide. A country where dissidents aren't dragged into an alley and summarily shot
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Bill L : 9/14/2020 10:57 am : link
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I believe it. I’m not sure why it’s a trigger but people seem to get bent out of shape if others make their beliefs known overtly. I recall here there were disparaging comments about the prayer circle after games and there was mockery over the guy (whose name I can’t recall) who was assigned to NFL Europe in Amsterdam and left because some of the cultural differences were disturbing to him from a faith basis.

Pretty much everyone id quirky but I do think religion, mainly Christianity, is a red flag.



You know what really triggers people, when people perceive that anyone is disrespecting the military whether it's true or not. It's crazy when people assume that not honoring the national anthem or the flag means that they are disrespecting the military. Talk about conflating two disparate things into one for the convenience of one's argument.

I don't know whether you're building upon what I said or rebutting it, but I've never said anything about anyone disrespecting the military. I've never really even posted much about Kap other than I thought he was overrated. I certainly didn't have a take on his kneeling as disrespecting the military. That's actually not a connection (to the anthem) that I would make since I don't really see the anthem as being (just a) military thing.
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RC in MD : 9/14/2020 11:02 am : link
In comment 14969610 Bill L said:
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I don't know whether you're building upon what I said or rebutting it, but I've never said anything about anyone disrespecting the military. I've never really even posted much about Kap other than I thought he was overrated. I certainly didn't have a take on his kneeling as disrespecting the military. That's actually not a connection (to the anthem) that I would make since I don't really see the anthem as being (just a) military thing.


No...I was piggybacking off of your post that I agreed with. There are too many things that seems to trigger people, and I'm a bleeding heart liberal that gets triggered by everything, supposedly. My apology if it wasn't clear.
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