IDK how many stayed up to watch this game last night..
The Cowboys had a play called back late on OPI.
This morning I read some media thought it was a terrible call..To me it was right on the money and that isn't because I can't stand Dallas.
McCarthy said that the penalty is not usually called in that situation.
The Ref said it was clear, obvious, we had two officials right there, and it would be called in ANY situation.
McCarthy just gives me another reason to want Dallas to fail this (and every) year.
It reminds me of some things he said post game after we beat the Packers 37-20 in the playoffs.
He isn't an accountable guy.
Anyway, anyone here think this was NOT OPI?
From the play itself, it wasn't subtle. There are receivers who are very good at pushing off because they wait until the last minute and then create just enough seperation and are trained to hide it. Gallup didn't do that on this play. It looked to me that while there was not a violent jerk of Ramsey's body, there was extended extension by Gallup which created and maintained seperation. I don't think it was a bad call by any means.
I agree on McCarthy. I don't think the guy instills the discipline needed to usually get to the next level. I"m pretty sure he has traditionally been the playcaller and is hands off to the defense. He isn't calling plays this year so I"m not sure the value that he brings to the team other than the name.
OP, I'm also from Maine and have a long time dislike (hatred) of the Cowboys and am not fond of McCarthy either. Fuck them Cowboys!!!
They showed that play and without seeing a flag thrown, I immediately said to myself that was OPI. At first, I was pissed because I was thinking the Cowboys were going to get away with another one. Was glad to see the next play shown was the Cowboys backed up farther into their own end.
Ramsey sold it very well, him throwing his shoulders back got the flag, it looked like it stopped his momentum and that is what thr official looks for..
Tough call at that moment but it was the right call
I think it was ticky tack, but happy it happened nonetheless!
I thought the OPI was a terrible call, but I agree with those above saying it should be called more often. What really should be the goal is to have it called consistently.
And we don't have to go back to just last season when we had a crucial 3rd down conversion wiped off by a OPI on a play where the WR didn't even extend the arm. While the booth ripped the call and we challenged, it was one of several we didn't win.
McCarthy is the kind of guy who blames everyone else but himself.
I was hoping we didn't hire him. I hope he continues his ways in small D.
Go NY!
Whether Gallup actually used it to gain an advantage...beats me. But he also didn't need to have his hand/arm on Ramsey anyway.
I would not have called it, but alas I slept fine with the Dallas loss.
I actually hope the refs are more stringent on OPI. The deck has been stacked against DB's for awhile
As someone said here they missed a roughing the passer call and at least one obvious hold on Dallas.
So I was surprised they actually called the OPI late against Dallas but I think they had to it was that clear in my view.
I'm willing to bet that had we only the ref's POV, there would be no discussion.
Bullshit. I’d be more angry that the giants did everything but win a game the football gods handed them on a silver platter. Dallas had so many chances and the rams parted their legs and begged Dallas to win that game last night. As usual a team loses and has ONE play go against them in a big moment and everyone uses that single play as the end all be all and we just have to dissect and analyze and find a way to blame the officials. Don’t get me wrong I don’t love the way nfl games are officiated but people need to shut the fuck up already. This game and every other game isn’t decided by one stupid play.
Never mind the other 100 plays from last night. Let’s heap it all one that one desperate play call. Bullshit.
This is the hot take that makes me nuts. So you’re telling me that Ramsey, an all pro caliber CB is more concerned with “selling” pass interference than he is in covering the wr there?? What?????? Why?? Why would Ramsey do that? Why wouldn’t he just try and cover the guy? Isn’t it possible that Gallup did in fact push off ?
Has anyone here ever played football? You can most definitely gain separation by extending your arm with even just a little strength like Gallup did. Why the hell is rsmsey trying to sell anything there? This take makes absolutely no sense.
Dallas seemed to get the benefit of officiating for most of the night. Their luck changed at the worst possible point. But if a team doesn't want to leave the game in the hands of the refs, they need to play better for the first 59 minutes.
Terrible call. Should have been a play through . Catch made . Let Flounder screw it up from there . It never gets old watching Dallas lose . But they get jobbed last night .
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I'm just glad that there is no longer replay for PIs since they didn't solve anything but instead got coaches to waste challenges and timeouts.
This is the hot take that makes me nuts. So you’re telling me that Ramsey, an all pro caliber CB is more concerned with “selling” pass interference than he is in covering the wr there?? What?????? Why?? Why would Ramsey do that? Why wouldn’t he just try and cover the guy? Isn’t it possible that Gallup did in fact push off ?
Has anyone here ever played football? You can most definitely gain separation by extending your arm with even just a little strength like Gallup did. Why the hell is rsmsey trying to sell anything there? This take makes absolutely no sense.
Get that guy an Oscar for that deliberste lean backwards and flailing of the arms.
And I can't stand that whining ass McCarthy ever since that playoff game and his failure to accept responsibility for his team coming out flat, and simply being way outplayed by the Giants.
The chutzpah of griping after that game, when call after bad call was slanted to the Packers' favor....
Hey you got your asses kicked, Mike! Own up to it you fat slob.
As for the refs "deciding the game," well, 1) if you break the rules, you break the rules, and 2) the refs missed an obvious penalty when Goff got smacked in the head on the interception that turned the game around for the Cowboys.
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was borderline. Collinsworth at some point said Ramsey "sold it," which tells you something. Whatever -- glad Dallas lost.
Get used to it. Now that Ramsey got away with it, every DB is going to be acting like he was hit by a 2" x 4" when they get beat.
You act as if Ramsey invented this.
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I'm just glad that there is no longer replay for PIs since they didn't solve anything but instead got coaches to waste challenges and timeouts.
This is the hot take that makes me nuts. So you’re telling me that Ramsey, an all pro caliber CB is more concerned with “selling” pass interference than he is in covering the wr there?? What?????? Why?? Why would Ramsey do that? Why wouldn’t he just try and cover the guy? Isn’t it possible that Gallup did in fact push off ?
Has anyone here ever played football? You can most definitely gain separation by extending your arm with even just a little strength like Gallup did. Why the hell is rsmsey trying to sell anything there? This take makes absolutely no sense.
He was beat, the ball was perfectly thrown, and Dallas set up for at least the tying FG. You bet your ass he's going to try and sell something.
No. He was trying to cover the wr and got shoved ever so slightly. No one does that while running full speed with a wr.
60 minutes. But let’s go nuts over one 50-50 call.
It won't be long however before every db in the league hams it up in order to get a call
Then there will be an overreaction by the Referees and we will get NBA style officiating where there will be no calls when the players act out.
If the holding was called prior and if the blow to Goff's head was called, the throw to Gallup likely isn't even made.
It won't be long however before every db in the league hams it up in order to get a call
Then there will be an overreaction by the Referees and we will get NBA style officiating where there will be no calls when the players act out.
Off topic, but amazing comeback by Da Bears with Trubisky
Not only that, he recovers from the "acting" and then propels himself forward to make the tackle. If he purposely flailed, wouldn't he be out of the play?
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it was OPI
It won't be long however before every db in the league hams it up in order to get a call
Then there will be an overreaction by the Referees and we will get NBA style officiating where there will be no calls when the players act out.
Off topic, but amazing comeback by Da Bears with Trubisky
I was an equal choke job by the Lions. Not only did Stafford have a boneheaded INT, Swift dropped an easy TD with seconds left
Collinsworth can piss and moan about it all he wants. There were numerous times a Dallas offensive lineman was about to get beat and held a Rams defender, no comments about that.
Watching those two teams, I just hope the Giants can keep it close in games vs them. That game had playoff caliber to it
If the holding was called prior and if the blow to Goff's head was called, the throw to Gallup likely isn't even made.
You can always tell who Michaels laid the cash on by the way he announces a game.
Not only that, he recovers from the "acting" and then propels himself forward to make the tackle. If he purposely flailed, wouldn't he be out of the play?
You're surprising me lately FMiC with missed observations.
To answer your question at the end, NO. It is much easier to redirect your own body when the seemingly out of position angle is self inflicted, than if it was caused by someone else's aggression against you. It is like a boxer lashing out and striking someone after a front, rather than launching a blow right after receiving one.
The base of balance at the center of one's body has always been under one's own control, unaffected by one's opponent.
IE he wasn't propelled backwards, he leaned backwards of his own volition. In my opinion.
1. the hand grabbing was clearly initiated by Ramsey, and if there was any penalty to call it he was his arm locking on Gallup for several strides leading up to when Gallup cleared his arm to make the catch. Gallup's contact with Ramsey was not a full extension to create space but a reaction to contact Ramsey created after he'd been beaten by a step. What was he supposed to do? Not attempt to use his right arm to catch the football?
2. the moment where Gallup gained the most separation was when Ramsey was "selling it" and there was no contact taking place. He knew he'd been beat so he did the only thing he could do. And the official bought it.
I love the idea of anyone pissing in Jerry's cornflakes as much as the next Giant fan but that was by far the worst call of the day that I saw and 100% cost the Cowboys a tying FG as well as a few shots to win it. I'd be surprised if they don't get an apology from the league.
Mitch probably gained a ton of confidence with the comeback win.
He has talent and he has a nice corps of receivers.
But the Lions secondary experienced a bunch of injuries so I was not surprised when Da Bears made their comeback
It should be an interesting game next Sunday
Watch the replay and see that Ramsey is pushed and still propels himself forward after regaining his balance to make the tackle.
It is not a penalty that is often called in that situation...
...against the Cowboys.
Watch the replay and see that Ramsey is pushed and still propels himself forward after regaining his balance to make the tackle.
He was beat off the line and in a trailing position trying to catch up without looking back the entire route. He initiated the contact and to his credit used his speed to stay in contact the entire time but he was never in good position if Dak made a perfect throw - which he did.
When Gallup disengaged it was to catch the football and it was not an extended arm push off. Ramsey made his head fake when Gallup had cleared the contact he'd been using to pin his right arm, and as is often the case he was able to make the tackle because Gallup had to slow down to look the ball in and secure the catch with both arms whereas Ramsey was able to continue running straight through the play without looking back.
Here's a link to the clip. If you go to the slow mo from :40-:41 Ramsey has Gallup's arm pinned. At :42 Gallup pulls his arm through Ramsey's pin and there is contact with Ramsey, but his arm is moving towards catching the football and away from Ramsey (not extending towards him to create separation).
At :43 Gallup's hands are in a catching position and there is a yard between the 2 players and that's when Ramsey abruptly jerks his head back - which was never contacted by Gallup.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dallas-cowboys-questionable-pass-interference-042420235.html - ( New Window )
Also, Ramsey wasn’t beat on that play, he had great coverage and probably would have broken up the pass or picked it if not for the OPI. Which is exactly the point of throwing the flag.
As noted above, Chris and Al had a bad game, the Dallas coach made a lot of mistakes and the Rams looked like the better team.
Hand to hand slapping and such between receiver and defender is part of the game.
And, yes, there was at least one blatant holding by Dallas OL that they did not call.
Now having said that, the Cowboys got an interception off of a blow to Goff's head that wasn't called, so each team was screwed by poor officiating. They have no reason to complain that they got screwed.
The video linked above again show's Gallup clearly extending his arm to gain separation from Ramsey from multiple angles. It's clear OPI.
The video linked above again show's Gallup clearly extending his arm to gain separation from Ramsey from multiple angles. It's clear OPI.
I was thinking the same thing. A screenshot was posting trying to refute that there was OPI when it is pretty clearly an extended arm shown
Terry Mcaulay has worked 3 SB's and here's what he said in the broadcast:
Arm not extended: it's not called.
His arm was extended, so it was called.
I think the old rules pre 2004 with the amount of contact the DB could initiate, probably lessened the downfield penalties a bit as they could wrestle it out the first 5 yards.
But the addition of illegal contact and stricter definition of defensive holding is a 3 in 1 disaster for DB's.
The 2020 rulebook definitions of PI are below and there were elements of prohibited acts for both DPI (a, c, f) and OPI (d, g) from both players. I think there's a stronger case for DPI than OPI since Ramsey initiated the contact hooking the arm, was in the trailing position, and wasn't playing the ball while Gallup was.
Based on the bolded note however I think there's valid question as to whether either players contact was incidental so it should have been a no call. Or called consistently against both sides to replay the down.
In my view the more debatably incidental conduct was flagged because Ramsay sold it - as was clearly his intent by his actions immediately post play where he acted like he got Tommylee Lewis'd.
It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.
Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air.
Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air and Article 4 for prohibited acts prior to the pass.
ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR
Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:
a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;
b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;
c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;
d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;
e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;
f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or
g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.
Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR
Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to:
a) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players, except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense.
d)) Laying a hand on an opponent that does not restrict him in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.
Notes:
1) When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject to the same restrictions.
2) Acts that do not occur more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage are not pass interference, but could be offensive or defensive holding (see 12-1-3 and 12-1-6).
3) Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation and until the ball is kicked, defensive acts that normally constitute pass interference are permitted against the end man on the line of scrimmage, or against an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line, provided that the acts do not constitute illegal holding. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a five-yard penalty from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2020-nfl-rulebook/#penalty-summary - ( New Window )
I'd rather let the players decide the outcome and things better be egregious to be called, but the refs vehemently disagree with that take time and again.
I saw two PI calls yesterday on 3rd and 20 or longer. The refs bailed out the teams that had been in a big hole on marginal calls. It goes to the who argument of consistency.
And I'll add something else - if the Giants and Steelers combine for 2 offensive holding penalties tonight, that will be half of the holding penalties that were called in all games yesterday. I'm fine with swallowing the whistle as long as you don't then blow it to decide the game.