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Offensive pass interference on Dallas

mpinmaine : 9/14/2020 7:46 am
IDK how many stayed up to watch this game last night..

The Cowboys had a play called back late on OPI.

This morning I read some media thought it was a terrible call..To me it was right on the money and that isn't because I can't stand Dallas.

McCarthy said that the penalty is not usually called in that situation.
The Ref said it was clear, obvious, we had two officials right there, and it would be called in ANY situation.

McCarthy just gives me another reason to want Dallas to fail this (and every) year.
It reminds me of some things he said post game after we beat the Packers 37-20 in the playoffs.

He isn't an accountable guy.

Anyway, anyone here think this was NOT OPI?
In real time I thought it was.  
Crispino : 9/14/2020 7:51 am : link
In slow motion it looked less like OPI, but I still think the receiver pushed off to get that last burst to the ball. It was the correct call.
It was definitely OPI  
Gmen703 : 9/14/2020 7:52 am : link
full arm extension push which impeded the db. I will say the refs usually turn a blind eye to this as wrs get away with a lot.

It is a call that should be made  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/14/2020 8:04 am : link
more often. It usually takes an egregious move by the offensive player. While often offensive players get the call on ticky-tack contact.
I didn't see it  
emcca005 : 9/14/2020 8:05 am : link
but I did see the one against AJ Green right before the shanked FG... how similar were the two? Regardless I'm happy to see the officials make the call regardless of game time and situation. A penalty is a penalty.
In my opinion  
johnnyb : 9/14/2020 8:06 am : link
It was a marginal call. But the receiver did extend his right arm enough to get the separation and prevent the defender from making a play on the ball. Not an obvious push by Gallop but the stiff arm is what the ref saw.
The call  
SLIM_ : 9/14/2020 8:12 am : link
I only watched a half and I don't have knowledge of the context of how refs were calling the game. That is a big factor.

From the play itself, it wasn't subtle. There are receivers who are very good at pushing off because they wait until the last minute and then create just enough seperation and are trained to hide it. Gallup didn't do that on this play. It looked to me that while there was not a violent jerk of Ramsey's body, there was extended extension by Gallup which created and maintained seperation. I don't think it was a bad call by any means.

I agree on McCarthy. I don't think the guy instills the discipline needed to usually get to the next level. I"m pretty sure he has traditionally been the playcaller and is hands off to the defense. He isn't calling plays this year so I"m not sure the value that he brings to the team other than the name.
Always tough at end of games  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/14/2020 8:13 am : link
One team is not going to be happy in the close calls. You just hope that the refs were consistent throughout the game.
The only  
cokeduplt : 9/14/2020 8:16 am : link
Thing good about the call is that it was against Dallas.
Eh  
BigBlueShock : 9/14/2020 8:22 am : link
Was McCarthy bitching when Dallas got away with a blatant hit to the head of Goff that led to an interception and resulted in points for Dallas a couple drives prior?
It also seems like the DBs are being taught to over react to push offs  
George from PA : 9/14/2020 8:23 am : link
As in that case as well as the Bengal/Charger game....the DBs did a pretty good acting job....
Marginal call  
HomerJones45 : 9/14/2020 8:24 am : link
And almost never called on the receiver. If Slayton had been the receiver , you’d all be screaming bloody murder.
McCarthy must distract from not going for the tying FG  
George from PA : 9/14/2020 8:24 am : link
But going on 4 and 6.....that was the bonehead play of the game.
I think receivers already get too much advantage  
dune69 : 9/14/2020 8:28 am : link
He definitely pushed enough to cause separation and when two refs see it in real time then the flag is justified. However, it was close and I would probably be pissed if the Giants lost tonight on this call.

OP, I'm also from Maine and have a long time dislike (hatred) of the Cowboys and am not fond of McCarthy either. Fuck them Cowboys!!!
I did not see the end of the game last night...  
EricJ : 9/14/2020 8:31 am : link
and had no idea what happened. I went to the gym this morning and while on the treadmill was listening to something on my phone while watching NFL highlights on the screen in front of me. So, I was not getting the TV audio.

They showed that play and without seeing a flag thrown, I immediately said to myself that was OPI. At first, I was pissed because I was thinking the Cowboys were going to get away with another one. Was glad to see the next play shown was the Cowboys backed up farther into their own end.
It was the right call  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2020 8:33 am : link
If it happened against the Giants i would be flipping out..

Ramsey sold it very well, him throwing his shoulders back got the flag, it looked like it stopped his momentum and that is what thr official looks for..

Tough call at that moment but it was the right call
Ramsey sold it, of that there is no dispute...  
bLiTz 2k : 9/14/2020 8:38 am : link
And I'm not gonna lie if it was called against the Giants I probably would be furious for that reason alone.

I think it was ticky tack, but happy it happened nonetheless!
While Collinsworth..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 8:38 am : link
and Michaels were talking about how great the refereeing had been, the crew missed several blatant holding penalties and a blow to the head on Goff on an INT.

I thought the OPI was a terrible call, but I agree with those above saying it should be called more often. What really should be the goal is to have it called consistently.

And we don't have to go back to just last season when we had a crucial 3rd down conversion wiped off by a OPI on a play where the WR didn't even extend the arm. While the booth ripped the call and we challenged, it was one of several we didn't win.
dune 69  
mpinmaine : 9/14/2020 8:43 am : link
Maine is the place to be it seems..Many are moving here, not surprising.

McCarthy is the kind of guy who blames everyone else but himself.

I was hoping we didn't hire him. I hope he continues his ways in small D.

Go NY!
Agreed that 9 times out of 10  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/14/2020 8:46 am : link
dont think its called. I give credit to Ramsey who flailed his arms and really sold it. Without it though you could see that Ramsey would be in position o make a play, he was right there. So technically correct, but mostly not called as that would destroy the speed of the game.
Ramsey did a super job of selling it  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 8:47 am : link
no matter where you stand on the call. He even tilted back his upper torso and head after Gallup extended his arm and the refs saw that for sure.

Whether Gallup actually used it to gain an advantage...beats me. But he also didn't need to have his hand/arm on Ramsey anyway.

I would not have called it, but alas I slept fine with the Dallas loss.
Cincy also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 8:48 am : link
lost because of an OPI call. And that one was made on AJ Green.

I actually hope the refs are more stringent on OPI. The deck has been stacked against DB's for awhile
Also  
mpinmaine : 9/14/2020 8:48 am : link
I watched the entire 2nd half. They weren't calling anything against Dallas, only the Rams.
As someone said here they missed a roughing the passer call and at least one obvious hold on Dallas.

So I was surprised they actually called the OPI late against Dallas but I think they had to it was that clear in my view.
Yeah, the fans in the stadium would have killed those refs  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 8:51 am : link
if they didn't call it.
When I was in High School  
aimrocky : 9/14/2020 8:54 am : link
I'd scream about wishing the media would hold officials accountable, with the hope that it would force them to be better. Now that every ticky tack call is the lead story on Monday's, I hate it. That call could go either way. I don't see the reason to pull torches and pitch forks over it.
The camera angle had a much better view than the refs had  
JohnB : 9/14/2020 8:58 am : link
It was so far downfield that both players were either equal or beyond the refs, giving them a different look.

I'm willing to bet that had we only the ref's POV, there would be no discussion.
I thought it was a great and gutzy call  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2020 9:00 am : link
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This calll is getting way too much attention and scrutiny  
djm : 9/14/2020 9:03 am : link
WTF
OPI  
lugnut : 9/14/2020 9:04 am : link
was borderline. Collinsworth at some point said Ramsey "sold it," which tells you something. Whatever -- glad Dallas lost.
It was marginal at best and Ramsey's acting sold that one...  
RC in MD : 9/14/2020 9:06 am : link
I'm just glad that there is no longer replay for PIs since they didn't solve anything but instead got coaches to waste challenges and timeouts.
Lets put it this way  
nygiants16 : 9/14/2020 9:08 am : link
if the ref doesnt call it he would get a mark down
RE: Marginal call  
djm : 9/14/2020 9:09 am : link
In comment 14969376 HomerJones45 said:
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And almost never called on the receiver. If Slayton had been the receiver , you’d all be screaming bloody murder.


Bullshit. I’d be more angry that the giants did everything but win a game the football gods handed them on a silver platter. Dallas had so many chances and the rams parted their legs and begged Dallas to win that game last night. As usual a team loses and has ONE play go against them in a big moment and everyone uses that single play as the end all be all and we just have to dissect and analyze and find a way to blame the officials. Don’t get me wrong I don’t love the way nfl games are officiated but people need to shut the fuck up already. This game and every other game isn’t decided by one stupid play.

Never mind the other 100 plays from last night. Let’s heap it all one that one desperate play call. Bullshit.
RE: It was marginal at best and Ramsey's acting sold that one...  
djm : 9/14/2020 9:13 am : link
In comment 14969421 RC in MD said:
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I'm just glad that there is no longer replay for PIs since they didn't solve anything but instead got coaches to waste challenges and timeouts.


This is the hot take that makes me nuts. So you’re telling me that Ramsey, an all pro caliber CB is more concerned with “selling” pass interference than he is in covering the wr there?? What?????? Why?? Why would Ramsey do that? Why wouldn’t he just try and cover the guy? Isn’t it possible that Gallup did in fact push off ?

Has anyone here ever played football? You can most definitely gain separation by extending your arm with even just a little strength like Gallup did. Why the hell is rsmsey trying to sell anything there? This take makes absolutely no sense.
I think it was a correct call.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/14/2020 9:21 am : link
The League's difficulty with PI - especially OPI - has always been consistency. The replay experiment didn't help much. I'm not sure the problem has a solution. The breaks should even out over time (one hopes).

Dallas seemed to get the benefit of officiating for most of the night. Their luck changed at the worst possible point. But if a team doesn't want to leave the game in the hands of the refs, they need to play better for the first 59 minutes.
RE: OPI  
HomerJones45 : 9/14/2020 9:21 am : link
In comment 14969420 lugnut said:
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was borderline. Collinsworth at some point said Ramsey "sold it," which tells you something. Whatever -- glad Dallas lost.
Get used to it. Now that Ramsey got away with it, every DB is going to be acting like he was hit by a 2" x 4" when they get beat.
I thought Ramsey  
RetroJint : 9/14/2020 9:22 am : link
was the instigator . What has become known in the NBA as “hand in the cookie jar.” The receiver then reacted . On these calls I don’t think the refs take into account that the DB, clearly beaten on the play, is at a disadvantage in catch-up mode . The call goes against the receiver ? The days are over when people screamed that the Cowboys get a favorable whistle .

Terrible call. Should have been a play through . Catch made . Let Flounder screw it up from there . It never gets old watching Dallas lose . But they get jobbed last night .
RE: RE: It was marginal at best and Ramsey's acting sold that one...  
HomerJones45 : 9/14/2020 9:27 am : link
In comment 14969427 djm said:
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In comment 14969421 RC in MD said:


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I'm just glad that there is no longer replay for PIs since they didn't solve anything but instead got coaches to waste challenges and timeouts.



This is the hot take that makes me nuts. So you’re telling me that Ramsey, an all pro caliber CB is more concerned with “selling” pass interference than he is in covering the wr there?? What?????? Why?? Why would Ramsey do that? Why wouldn’t he just try and cover the guy? Isn’t it possible that Gallup did in fact push off ?

Has anyone here ever played football? You can most definitely gain separation by extending your arm with even just a little strength like Gallup did. Why the hell is rsmsey trying to sell anything there? This take makes absolutely no sense.
He was beat, the ball was perfectly thrown, and Dallas set up for at least the tying FG. You bet your ass he's going to try and sell something.
It was the right call, The Dallas recevier used his hand the same way  
MartyNJ1969 : 9/14/2020 9:34 am : link
I used on my Mom when she ran after me to eat Lima beans. A constant push back armbar..and no lima beans in my mouth!!
To my eyes the most relevant thing about the call.eas the way  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/14/2020 9:48 am : link
Ramsey hammed it up to make it appear more egregious than it really was.

Get that guy an Oscar for that deliberste lean backwards and flailing of the arms.

And I can't stand that whining ass McCarthy ever since that playoff game and his failure to accept responsibility for his team coming out flat, and simply being way outplayed by the Giants.

The chutzpah of griping after that game, when call after bad call was slanted to the Packers' favor....

Hey you got your asses kicked, Mike! Own up to it you fat slob.
It was a textbook example of why it's illegal  
CT Charlie : 9/14/2020 9:52 am : link
for the receiver to extend his arm. It prevented Ramsey from being able to make a play on the ball, or even to stay even with Gallup.

As for the refs "deciding the game," well, 1) if you break the rules, you break the rules, and 2) the refs missed an obvious penalty when Goff got smacked in the head on the interception that turned the game around for the Cowboys.
RE: RE: OPI  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14969444 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14969420 lugnut said:


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was borderline. Collinsworth at some point said Ramsey "sold it," which tells you something. Whatever -- glad Dallas lost.

Get used to it. Now that Ramsey got away with it, every DB is going to be acting like he was hit by a 2" x 4" when they get beat.


You act as if Ramsey invented this.
RE: RE: RE: It was marginal at best and Ramsey's acting sold that one...  
djm : 9/14/2020 9:52 am : link
In comment 14969452 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 14969427 djm said:


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In comment 14969421 RC in MD said:


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I'm just glad that there is no longer replay for PIs since they didn't solve anything but instead got coaches to waste challenges and timeouts.



This is the hot take that makes me nuts. So you’re telling me that Ramsey, an all pro caliber CB is more concerned with “selling” pass interference than he is in covering the wr there?? What?????? Why?? Why would Ramsey do that? Why wouldn’t he just try and cover the guy? Isn’t it possible that Gallup did in fact push off ?

Has anyone here ever played football? You can most definitely gain separation by extending your arm with even just a little strength like Gallup did. Why the hell is rsmsey trying to sell anything there? This take makes absolutely no sense.

He was beat, the ball was perfectly thrown, and Dallas set up for at least the tying FG. You bet your ass he's going to try and sell something.


No. He was trying to cover the wr and got shoved ever so slightly. No one does that while running full speed with a wr.

60 minutes. But let’s go nuts over one 50-50 call.
I thought  
ChicagoMarty : 9/14/2020 9:58 am : link
it was OPI

It won't be long however before every db in the league hams it up in order to get a call

Then there will be an overreaction by the Referees and we will get NBA style officiating where there will be no calls when the players act out.
I thought this game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:00 am : link
was a bad one for Collinsworth and Michaels. Put aside the Alton Smith love-fest, ignoring several plays where Smith was out of position or manhandled at the point of attack, they yukked it up just a couple plays prior where a Ram was thrown to the ground by his facemask, but then try to make the OPI be controversial.

If the holding was called prior and if the blow to Goff's head was called, the throw to Gallup likely isn't even made.
RE: I thought  
Big Blue '56 : 9/14/2020 10:00 am : link
In comment 14969511 ChicagoMarty said:
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it was OPI

It won't be long however before every db in the league hams it up in order to get a call

Then there will be an overreaction by the Referees and we will get NBA style officiating where there will be no calls when the players act out.


Off topic, but amazing comeback by Da Bears with Trubisky
And I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:03 am : link
don't really get the take that Ramsey hammed it up. You know how difficult it is to run full speed and then voluntarily propel yourself backwards and stumble with arms up?

Not only that, he recovers from the "acting" and then propels himself forward to make the tackle. If he purposely flailed, wouldn't he be out of the play?
RE: RE: I thought  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 10:03 am : link
In comment 14969516 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14969511 ChicagoMarty said:


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it was OPI

It won't be long however before every db in the league hams it up in order to get a call

Then there will be an overreaction by the Referees and we will get NBA style officiating where there will be no calls when the players act out.



Off topic, but amazing comeback by Da Bears with Trubisky


I was an equal choke job by the Lions. Not only did Stafford have a boneheaded INT, Swift dropped an easy TD with seconds left
Good call  
jestersdead : 9/14/2020 10:07 am : link
on the replay you can see the stress on the WRs arm as he is holding Ramsey off. It wasn't some casual arm extension, he is noticeably holding him off.

Collinsworth can piss and moan about it all he wants. There were numerous times a Dallas offensive lineman was about to get beat and held a Rams defender, no comments about that.

Watching those two teams, I just hope the Giants can keep it close in games vs them. That game had playoff caliber to it
RE: I thought this game..  
BigBlueShock : 9/14/2020 10:08 am : link
In comment 14969515 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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was a bad one for Collinsworth and Michaels. Put aside the Alton Smith love-fest, ignoring several plays where Smith was out of position or manhandled at the point of attack, they yukked it up just a couple plays prior where a Ram was thrown to the ground by his facemask, but then try to make the OPI be controversial.

If the holding was called prior and if the blow to Goff's head was called, the throw to Gallup likely isn't even made.

You can always tell who Michaels laid the cash on by the way he announces a game.
The greatest team in football (Cowboys) is once again marching  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2020 10:08 am : link
towards an 8-8 finish. Boy are they good
Swift's drop was shocking.  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 10:08 am : link
Rookie in his first game...he's got to be feeling awful. His next game can't come soon enough.
I thought it was hysterical  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 10:22 am : link
how Collinsworth (who I think has really improved over the years and gets more crap than he deserves) described it on the replay. To paraphrase: "I dont know, usually for that call theres a clear extension of the arm and I just dont see it". Meanwhile theyre showing the replay and Gallup is literally fully extending his arm and straining to hold Ramsey off.
RE: And I..  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/14/2020 10:27 am : link
In comment 14969519 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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don't really get the take that Ramsey hammed it up. You know how difficult it is to run full speed and then voluntarily propel yourself backwards and stumble with arms up?

Not only that, he recovers from the "acting" and then propels himself forward to make the tackle. If he purposely flailed, wouldn't he be out of the play?


You're surprising me lately FMiC with missed observations.

To answer your question at the end, NO. It is much easier to redirect your own body when the seemingly out of position angle is self inflicted, than if it was caused by someone else's aggression against you. It is like a boxer lashing out and striking someone after a front, rather than launching a blow right after receiving one.

The base of balance at the center of one's body has always been under one's own control, unaffected by one's opponent.

IE he wasn't propelled backwards, he leaned backwards of his own volition. In my opinion.
Front above should read  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/14/2020 10:28 am : link
"feint". Autocorrect sucks.
I don't think there's an argument that it was a legitimate penalty.  
Ira : 9/14/2020 10:33 am : link
The only point the Boys can make is that it isn't usually called, but that's a weak argument.
it was a brutal call for 2 reasons and this place would melt down if  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2020 10:35 am : link
it happened to us in any situation let alone at the end of the game to literally decide it. the 2 reasons are:

1. the hand grabbing was clearly initiated by Ramsey, and if there was any penalty to call it he was his arm locking on Gallup for several strides leading up to when Gallup cleared his arm to make the catch. Gallup's contact with Ramsey was not a full extension to create space but a reaction to contact Ramsey created after he'd been beaten by a step. What was he supposed to do? Not attempt to use his right arm to catch the football?


2. the moment where Gallup gained the most separation was when Ramsey was "selling it" and there was no contact taking place. He knew he'd been beat so he did the only thing he could do. And the official bought it.

I love the idea of anyone pissing in Jerry's cornflakes as much as the next Giant fan but that was by far the worst call of the day that I saw and 100% cost the Cowboys a tying FG as well as a few shots to win it. I'd be surprised if they don't get an apology from the league.
BB 56  
ChicagoMarty : 9/14/2020 10:36 am : link
Yeah, Trubisky had a great second half after being really inconsistent in the first half.

Mitch probably gained a ton of confidence with the comeback win.

He has talent and he has a nice corps of receivers.

But the Lions secondary experienced a bunch of injuries so I was not surprised when Da Bears made their comeback

It should be an interesting game next Sunday
As The NY media Would Say if It Was Called Against a NY Team  
LTIsTheGreatest : 9/14/2020 10:58 am : link
"It was definitely a questionable call at best, BUT THE GAME NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME DOWN TO THAT ANYWAY"
How is a guy..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:00 am : link
who is in contact with the WR the entire time (until the pushoff) "beat", and how does he then have the wherewithall to "sell it"??

Watch the replay and see that Ramsey is pushed and still propels himself forward after regaining his balance to make the tackle.
It was a penalty  
arniefez : 9/14/2020 11:07 am : link
it was the correct call but I'm shocked it was called. The Green OPI was easier to see in a more confined space both were the correct cals. The Greens push off was an easier call because they weren't running full speed away from the LOS..
McCarthy...  
Brown_Hornet : 9/14/2020 11:12 am : link
...is correct.

It is not a penalty that is often called in that situation...
...against the Cowboys.
RE: How is a guy..  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 14969618 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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who is in contact with the WR the entire time (until the pushoff) "beat", and how does he then have the wherewithall to "sell it"??

Watch the replay and see that Ramsey is pushed and still propels himself forward after regaining his balance to make the tackle.


He was beat off the line and in a trailing position trying to catch up without looking back the entire route. He initiated the contact and to his credit used his speed to stay in contact the entire time but he was never in good position if Dak made a perfect throw - which he did.

When Gallup disengaged it was to catch the football and it was not an extended arm push off. Ramsey made his head fake when Gallup had cleared the contact he'd been using to pin his right arm, and as is often the case he was able to make the tackle because Gallup had to slow down to look the ball in and secure the catch with both arms whereas Ramsey was able to continue running straight through the play without looking back.

Here's a link to the clip. If you go to the slow mo from :40-:41 Ramsey has Gallup's arm pinned. At :42 Gallup pulls his arm through Ramsey's pin and there is contact with Ramsey, but his arm is moving towards catching the football and away from Ramsey (not extending towards him to create separation).

At :43 Gallup's hands are in a catching position and there is a yard between the 2 players and that's when Ramsey abruptly jerks his head back - which was never contacted by Gallup.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dallas-cowboys-questionable-pass-interference-042420235.html - ( New Window )
Yeah, I don’t know about the whole “selling the call”...  
trueblueinpw : 9/14/2020 11:19 am : link
In general I don’t think DBs spend much time thinking about trying to sell OPI. You thought progression is generally, coverage, personnel, assignment, other assignments (if your smart), your responsibility, and then if you’re beat you think about committing DPI to save a TD. I never played in the NFL and I’m sure they think about everything but I think it’s unlikely the coaches and players spend much time on “selling OPI”.

Also, Ramsey wasn’t beat on that play, he had great coverage and probably would have broken up the pass or picked it if not for the OPI. Which is exactly the point of throwing the flag.

As noted above, Chris and Al had a bad game, the Dallas coach made a lot of mistakes and the Rams looked like the better team.
Lock your elbow out to gain separation...  
MOOPS : 9/14/2020 11:23 am : link
and it will be called 100% of the time if it is seen.
Hand to hand slapping and such between receiver and defender is part of the game.
Receiver pushed off  
montanagiant : 9/14/2020 11:32 am : link
It's that simple
Cooper  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 9/14/2020 11:42 am : link
pushed off. It was very clear. OPI.

And, yes, there was at least one blatant holding by Dallas OL that they did not call.
It was a ticky-tack foul  
Mike from Ohio : 9/14/2020 11:46 am : link
but so is much of the DPI they call. I think the bar should be higher for such a significant penlaty, but it is what it is. Cooper had Ramsey beaten and they were hand fighting all down the field.

Now having said that, the Cowboys got an interception off of a blow to Goff's head that wasn't called, so each team was screwed by poor officiating. They have no reason to complain that they got screwed.
LOL  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/14/2020 11:49 am : link
I literally have no idea what some of you guys are looking at sometimes. Eric on LI's own screenshot shows Gallup's arm fully extended and locked out into Ramsey's shoulderpad. Textbook OPI.

The video linked above again show's Gallup clearly extending his arm to gain separation from Ramsey from multiple angles. It's clear OPI.
RE: LOL  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:52 am : link
In comment 14969707 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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I literally have no idea what some of you guys are looking at sometimes. Eric on LI's own screenshot shows Gallup's arm fully extended and locked out into Ramsey's shoulderpad. Textbook OPI.

The video linked above again show's Gallup clearly extending his arm to gain separation from Ramsey from multiple angles. It's clear OPI.


I was thinking the same thing. A screenshot was posting trying to refute that there was OPI when it is pretty clearly an extended arm shown
if that call went against the giants tonight there would be a meltdown  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2020 11:56 am : link
the screenshot above shows 2 guys hand fighting, and the DB in particular pinning the receivers arm. It does not show a full extension push off because Gallops arm never fully extends towards Ramsey.

Terry Mcaulay has worked 3 SB's and here's what he said in the broadcast:

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McAulay says “You know, you want to see a clear extend and separation, Cris, and I think he’s got his arm out there, but I just don’t see him forcibly push him off,”
It doesn't matter if there was pushing off or not...  
Milton : 9/14/2020 1:42 pm : link
Arm extended: it's called.
Arm not extended: it's not called.

His arm was extended, so it was called.
I don't recall pass interference  
NINEster : 9/14/2020 2:04 pm : link
being a big deal in the good ole 80s and 90s like it is now. Back then, it almost always felt like it had to be egregious by either party to be called. There didn't seem to be the sophistication of arm play like there is now.

I think the old rules pre 2004 with the amount of contact the DB could initiate, probably lessened the downfield penalties a bit as they could wrestle it out the first 5 yards.



DPI..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 2:06 pm : link
has always been inconsistent and filled with ticky-tacky calls.

But the addition of illegal contact and stricter definition of defensive holding is a 3 in 1 disaster for DB's.
the receiver  
Enzo : 9/14/2020 2:23 pm : link
had his arm extended and contacted the defensive player enough that he was moved out of position (or he sold it well enough). Seems like an ok call to me.
again - if that call decides the game tonight there will be a meltdown  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2020 2:54 pm : link
and rightfully so.

The 2020 rulebook definitions of PI are below and there were elements of prohibited acts for both DPI (a, c, f) and OPI (d, g) from both players. I think there's a stronger case for DPI than OPI since Ramsey initiated the contact hooking the arm, was in the trailing position, and wasn't playing the ball while Gallup was.

Based on the bolded note however I think there's valid question as to whether either players contact was incidental so it should have been a no call. Or called consistently against both sides to replay the down.

In my view the more debatably incidental conduct was flagged because Ramsay sold it - as was clearly his intent by his actions immediately post play where he acted like he got Tommylee Lewis'd.

Quote:
ARTICLE 1. DEFINITION
It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.

Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air.

Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air and Article 4 for prohibited acts prior to the pass.

ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR
Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:

a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;
b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;
c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;
d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;
e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;
f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or
g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.

Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR
Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to:

a) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players, except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense.
d)) Laying a hand on an opponent that does not restrict him in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.
Notes:

1) When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject to the same restrictions.
2) Acts that do not occur more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage are not pass interference, but could be offensive or defensive holding (see 12-1-3 and 12-1-6).
3) Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation and until the ball is kicked, defensive acts that normally constitute pass interference are permitted against the end man on the line of scrimmage, or against an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line, provided that the acts do not constitute illegal holding. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a five-yard penalty from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.


https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2020-nfl-rulebook/#penalty-summary - ( New Window )
Anytime..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 2:59 pm : link
a marginal call is made that essentially decides the outcome of a game - there will be a meltdown.

I'd rather let the players decide the outcome and things better be egregious to be called, but the refs vehemently disagree with that take time and again.

I saw two PI calls yesterday on 3rd and 20 or longer. The refs bailed out the teams that had been in a big hole on marginal calls. It goes to the who argument of consistency.

And I'll add something else - if the Giants and Steelers combine for 2 offensive holding penalties tonight, that will be half of the holding penalties that were called in all games yesterday. I'm fine with swallowing the whistle as long as you don't then blow it to decide the game.
The straight arm  
Darth Paul : 9/14/2020 4:25 pm : link
was the issue. As soon as he straightened it, the line judge was pulling the flag.
Great call - that ref should be put in the ref HOF  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2020 5:45 pm : link
Takes guts to make that call
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