IDK how many stayed up to watch this game last night..
The Cowboys had a play called back late on OPI.
This morning I read some media thought it was a terrible call..To me it was right on the money and that isn't because I can't stand Dallas.
McCarthy said that the penalty is not usually called in that situation.
The Ref said it was clear, obvious, we had two officials right there, and it would be called in ANY situation.
McCarthy just gives me another reason to want Dallas to fail this (and every) year.
It reminds me of some things he said post game after we beat the Packers 37-20 in the playoffs.
He isn't an accountable guy.
Anyway, anyone here think this was NOT OPI?
Not only that, he recovers from the "acting" and then propels himself forward to make the tackle. If he purposely flailed, wouldn't he be out of the play?
You're surprising me lately FMiC with missed observations.
To answer your question at the end, NO. It is much easier to redirect your own body when the seemingly out of position angle is self inflicted, than if it was caused by someone else's aggression against you. It is like a boxer lashing out and striking someone after a front, rather than launching a blow right after receiving one.
The base of balance at the center of one's body has always been under one's own control, unaffected by one's opponent.
IE he wasn't propelled backwards, he leaned backwards of his own volition. In my opinion.
1. the hand grabbing was clearly initiated by Ramsey, and if there was any penalty to call it he was his arm locking on Gallup for several strides leading up to when Gallup cleared his arm to make the catch. Gallup's contact with Ramsey was not a full extension to create space but a reaction to contact Ramsey created after he'd been beaten by a step. What was he supposed to do? Not attempt to use his right arm to catch the football?
2. the moment where Gallup gained the most separation was when Ramsey was "selling it" and there was no contact taking place. He knew he'd been beat so he did the only thing he could do. And the official bought it.
I love the idea of anyone pissing in Jerry's cornflakes as much as the next Giant fan but that was by far the worst call of the day that I saw and 100% cost the Cowboys a tying FG as well as a few shots to win it. I'd be surprised if they don't get an apology from the league.
Mitch probably gained a ton of confidence with the comeback win.
He has talent and he has a nice corps of receivers.
But the Lions secondary experienced a bunch of injuries so I was not surprised when Da Bears made their comeback
It should be an interesting game next Sunday
Watch the replay and see that Ramsey is pushed and still propels himself forward after regaining his balance to make the tackle.
It is not a penalty that is often called in that situation...
...against the Cowboys.
Watch the replay and see that Ramsey is pushed and still propels himself forward after regaining his balance to make the tackle.
He was beat off the line and in a trailing position trying to catch up without looking back the entire route. He initiated the contact and to his credit used his speed to stay in contact the entire time but he was never in good position if Dak made a perfect throw - which he did.
When Gallup disengaged it was to catch the football and it was not an extended arm push off. Ramsey made his head fake when Gallup had cleared the contact he'd been using to pin his right arm, and as is often the case he was able to make the tackle because Gallup had to slow down to look the ball in and secure the catch with both arms whereas Ramsey was able to continue running straight through the play without looking back.
Here's a link to the clip. If you go to the slow mo from :40-:41 Ramsey has Gallup's arm pinned. At :42 Gallup pulls his arm through Ramsey's pin and there is contact with Ramsey, but his arm is moving towards catching the football and away from Ramsey (not extending towards him to create separation).
At :43 Gallup's hands are in a catching position and there is a yard between the 2 players and that's when Ramsey abruptly jerks his head back - which was never contacted by Gallup.
https://sports.yahoo.com/dallas-cowboys-questionable-pass-interference-042420235.html - ( New Window )
Also, Ramsey wasn’t beat on that play, he had great coverage and probably would have broken up the pass or picked it if not for the OPI. Which is exactly the point of throwing the flag.
As noted above, Chris and Al had a bad game, the Dallas coach made a lot of mistakes and the Rams looked like the better team.
Hand to hand slapping and such between receiver and defender is part of the game.
And, yes, there was at least one blatant holding by Dallas OL that they did not call.
Now having said that, the Cowboys got an interception off of a blow to Goff's head that wasn't called, so each team was screwed by poor officiating. They have no reason to complain that they got screwed.
The video linked above again show's Gallup clearly extending his arm to gain separation from Ramsey from multiple angles. It's clear OPI.
The video linked above again show's Gallup clearly extending his arm to gain separation from Ramsey from multiple angles. It's clear OPI.
I was thinking the same thing. A screenshot was posting trying to refute that there was OPI when it is pretty clearly an extended arm shown
Terry Mcaulay has worked 3 SB's and here's what he said in the broadcast:
Arm not extended: it's not called.
His arm was extended, so it was called.
I think the old rules pre 2004 with the amount of contact the DB could initiate, probably lessened the downfield penalties a bit as they could wrestle it out the first 5 yards.
But the addition of illegal contact and stricter definition of defensive holding is a 3 in 1 disaster for DB's.
The 2020 rulebook definitions of PI are below and there were elements of prohibited acts for both DPI (a, c, f) and OPI (d, g) from both players. I think there's a stronger case for DPI than OPI since Ramsey initiated the contact hooking the arm, was in the trailing position, and wasn't playing the ball while Gallup was.
Based on the bolded note however I think there's valid question as to whether either players contact was incidental so it should have been a no call. Or called consistently against both sides to replay the down.
In my view the more debatably incidental conduct was flagged because Ramsay sold it - as was clearly his intent by his actions immediately post play where he acted like he got Tommylee Lewis'd.
It is pass interference by either team when any act by a player more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders an eligible player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Pass interference can only occur when a forward pass is thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, regardless of whether the pass is legal or illegal, or whether it crosses the line.
Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air.
Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. See Article 2 for prohibited acts while the ball is in the air and Article 4 for prohibited acts prior to the pass.
ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR
Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to:
a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch;
b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball;
c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass;
d) Extending an arm across the body of an opponent, thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, and regardless of whether the player committing such act is playing the ball;
e) Cutting off the path of an opponent by making contact with him, without playing the ball;
f) Hooking an opponent in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the opponent’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving; or
g) Initiating contact with an opponent by shoving or pushing off, thus creating separation.
Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.
ARTICLE 3. PERMISSIBLE ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR
Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to:
a) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.
b) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.
c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players, except as specified in 8-3-2 and 8-5-4 pertaining to blocking downfield by the offense.
d)) Laying a hand on an opponent that does not restrict him in an attempt to make a play on the ball.
e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.
Notes:
1) When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject to the same restrictions.
2) Acts that do not occur more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage are not pass interference, but could be offensive or defensive holding (see 12-1-3 and 12-1-6).
3) Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation and until the ball is kicked, defensive acts that normally constitute pass interference are permitted against the end man on the line of scrimmage, or against an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line, provided that the acts do not constitute illegal holding. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a five-yard penalty from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2020-nfl-rulebook/#penalty-summary - ( New Window )
I'd rather let the players decide the outcome and things better be egregious to be called, but the refs vehemently disagree with that take time and again.
I saw two PI calls yesterday on 3rd and 20 or longer. The refs bailed out the teams that had been in a big hole on marginal calls. It goes to the who argument of consistency.
And I'll add something else - if the Giants and Steelers combine for 2 offensive holding penalties tonight, that will be half of the holding penalties that were called in all games yesterday. I'm fine with swallowing the whistle as long as you don't then blow it to decide the game.