I’m not a fan of indoor football, but that SOFi stadium is Incredible..... the ny giants and jets should be embarrassed for the pile of shit they have compared to that.
Embarrassed that the stadium cost more than some teams are worth?
what do you expect? I certainly don't like it but comparing it to stadiums now is ridiculous. Anything built now should blow the doors of a 10-15 year old structure. Between the updates in tech over the last decades and advancement in building quality/design, none of this should be shocking.
what do you expect? I certainly don't like it but comparing it to stadiums now is ridiculous. Anything built now should blow the doors of a 10-15 year old structure. Between the updates in tech over the last decades and advancement in building quality/design, none of this should be shocking.
And it should also be pointed out that it was planned and started construction during a huge real estate boom when construction costs were through the roof. That was a big factor in its cost compared to stadiums built a few years later after the bubble burst (NYC metro area being another cost factor).
The Jets original plan would have been for the stadium where Hudson Yards was constructed. I would have loved to see that although granted I'm not a frequent game day visitor (every 5 years or so) so not a tailgater. Instead of the anodyne experience that provides no home field advantage think of what could have been. A great scene like during the Big East tournament on steroids supported by mass transit. Quintessential NY setting. Missed opportunity IMO.
I travel to a least one game a year and honestly as long as I can get in and out effectively and have a good sight line to watch the game I don't care.
I never went to a game because the stadium looks cool.
I’ll admit that. But it’s a friggin football stadium not the Parthenon. It could be worse despite what some of you may believe. Giants could have moved to another city. Sacrilege you say? Yeah we’ve seen the browns move to Baltimore. We’ve seen this very franchise move from NYC to jersey. Don’t tell me teams like the giants can’t move far far away. They have before just be grateful they are here for the long haul even if they play in a giant can of bumblebee tuna.
The Jets original plan would have been for the stadium where Hudson Yards was constructed. I would have loved to see that although granted I'm not a frequent game day visitor (every 5 years or so) so not a tailgater. Instead of the anodyne experience that provides no home field advantage think of what could have been. A great scene like during the Big East tournament on steroids supported by mass transit. Quintessential NY setting. Missed opportunity IMO.
The Jets wanted to build their own stadium on the west side. Under that proposal the Giants would have built one at the meadowlands by themselves.
I didn't and don't believe it was ever gonna happen there, especially when you look at Hudson Yards now and the money it generates and will continue to generate as it grows.
Before long some a-hole will want to get rid of the High Line segment there in order to develop more.
I had no issues when with it when I read an article that said the outside was going to be similar to Allianz Arena, multiple light options on gameday, etc. It is nowhere close to looking like that.
I haven't been to a newer stadium to compare the sight lines from the upper tier, so I cannot comment on that.
The owners of the Chargers and Rams are worth roughly twice the owners of the Giants and Jets. Sofi Stadium cost a whopping 5B dollars, including nearly a billion dollars in loans from the NFL. And despite the headline the stadium is privately financed, the developers are midway in lobbying for major tax breaks. That on top of PSLs.
I’m not phased by MetLife either way, but when fans get pissy about the stadium I always remember Mara didn’t go the corporate welfare route and bilk the state to build a stadium.
blocking some sightlines... exactly the kind of supports that Giants Stadium built 50 years ago did not have.
re. the Allianz lights. As my buddy pointed out- they paid $1.7B to build the whole thing, and got cheap on the lights.
I didn't and don't believe it was ever gonna happen there, especially when you look at Hudson Yards now and the money it generates and will continue to generate as it grows.
Before long some a-hole will want to get rid of the High Line segment there in order to develop more.
After I climbed the Empire State building during its tower/stairs race, we climbed Hudson yards the next day around 5 times. What an exquisite structure that is.
what do you expect? I certainly don't like it but comparing it to stadiums now is ridiculous. Anything built now should blow the doors of a 10-15 year old structure. Between the updates in tech over the last decades and advancement in building quality/design, none of this should be shocking.
All of this is true, but MetLife was mediocre even when it was built.
Usually a new stadium has at least a short reign as the most cutting-edge stadium in the league, until the next one is built. MetLife entered in the middle of the pack, at best.
stadium in LA, the fans don't exist there so the teams have to make the stadium "the place to be". Say what you want about the Jet's and Giants, but we are football fans above all else. We don't need sushi bars and dance clubs in Metlife, we'll go to a game and drink Natty Light in the parking lot and eat peanuts out of a bag. Los Angelos needed a stadium that would attract the fairweather fan because that's all that they have for a fan base.
ballpark (pun intended) as those other stadiums. It’ll be another 20 years before they even consider a new one here. With that said, METLife is not terrible. I’ve been to quite a few games and concerts there and enjoyed them all. What will make METLife shine is more championshipS and playoff caliber football IMO.
The Jets original plan would have been for the stadium where Hudson Yards was constructed. I would have loved to see that although granted I'm not a frequent game day visitor (every 5 years or so) so not a tailgater. Instead of the anodyne experience that provides no home field advantage think of what could have been. A great scene like during the Big East tournament on steroids supported by mass transit. Quintessential NY setting. Missed opportunity IMO.
The first part is hogwash. No team in a million years is moving away from NY market and if it was someone it would be Jets. Makes zero sense on any level.
Second part absolutely agree. A stadium in an area that is supported by mass transit is going to have drunker louder fans. Seahawks have that going for them and the whole atmosphere of getting off ferry and walking to stadium a mile away is a fantastic experience. Kind of reminded me more of a collegiate atmosphere.
.....its a football stadium. You're watching football the entire time. Or at least you should be.
I think the most legit complaint is prob the upper deck being further away than old Giants Stadium, but other than that....
I agree with this. But I think the sight lines are great and could care less about everything else. So SoFi looks cool. So what? Same for Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta. Jerry's World looks cool as well, but the gameday experience is not great. Candidly if you are even with or above the video board, that's what you watch, not the live action. In addition, comparing open air stadiums to domes is apples and oranges. I don't hear anyone singing the praises of Levis Stadium in San Francisco as compared to these new domes.
I think 10 years later, the hate for MetLife goes back to PSL's and long time season ticket holders believing they had something stolen from them. And if you had to move your seats, its hard to disagree. But in terms of the stadium, I'm fine with MetLife.
I’m not phased by MetLife either way, but when fans get pissy about the stadium I always remember Mara didn’t go the corporate welfare route and bilk the state to build a stadium.
That's why we're getting our 3rd Olympics while NYC has had none.
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Except that air quality, oh my.
I can't believe 5 billion with a B for that stadium, wow.
Did I hear them say last night that Met Life cost more
than Jerry's palace in Dallas?
cold, boring stadium. That it is at the upper level of stadium costs is a bit embarrassing. Last year I went to US Bank (the Vikings new stadium) and it is beautiful. Blows away MetLife. I can't comment on Raiders, Falcons, Rams, Cowboys as I haven't been there.
For $1.6B, it should at least have a retractable roof.
that a stadium built by John Mara and Woody Johnson is a sh*thole.
Look at their organizations and then look at their stadium. Makes total sense.
It takes a special level of incompetence to screw up a golden goose monopoly the way John Mara has.
The genie is out of the bottle. It will never go back to the way it was before PSLs and it's one thing to rape your generational fan base for pure greed. But it's a whole level up to rape them for a building that's a horrible game day experience and an embarrassment compared to the rest of the league.
Even Woody Johnson had the sense not to charge PSLs for the upper deck in that dump. You can barely see the numbers on the players jerseys from that high above the field.
When the history of the Giants is written 50 years from now PSL stadium will be the tipping point for where it all went wrong.
cold, boring stadium. That it is at the upper level of stadium costs is a bit embarrassing. Last year I went to US Bank (the Vikings new stadium) and it is beautiful. Blows away MetLife. I can't comment on Raiders, Falcons, Rams, Cowboys as I haven't been there.
For $1.6B, it should at least have a retractable roof.
Cost of living differences. $1.6B goes a lot further in Minnesota than NYC metro area.
1) First, it is unfair to compare a $1.6B stadium from a decade ago to a $5B stadium from this year.
2) That said, in comparison to other stadia from a similar timeframe (and prior) Met Life sucks.
3) The comparison to Allianz is a good one. It is an embarrassment that the "different colored" lighting is nothing more than colored shields that have to manually be swapped out to change colors. How was this not LED lighting?
4) That is one basic example. There are so many others.
Having been there and to Raymond James here in Tampa, I greatly appreciated the wide throughways to walk. In Raymond James, you get bottlenecked and takes you 15 minutes or more just to get past the Pirate ship to the other side of the stadium, AND you can't go down and skip a level because they won't let you back up. It sucks.
At MetLife, I could get where I was going...so that might not be exciting, the visuals aren't knocking your socks off, but for me, I appreciated it.
I've seen games in a few of the "newer" stadiums (Tampa, San Francisco, Philly) and MetLife is practical and convenient compared to those others. Having all levels connected in a circle makes navigating through the stadium very easy. Entering and exiting the restrooms is easy and food and beer lines are never that long. If you're willing to park in satellite lots. traffic in and out of MetLife isn't bad. Sure, it's ugly, and I don't like how most of the corridors are closed off to stadium viewing, but for this season ticket holder, the novelty of frills would wear off and, over time I would prefer functionality. MetLife is very functional.
cold, boring stadium. That it is at the upper level of stadium costs is a bit embarrassing. Last year I went to US Bank (the Vikings new stadium) and it is beautiful. Blows away MetLife. I can't comment on Raiders, Falcons, Rams, Cowboys as I haven't been there.
For $1.6B, it should at least have a retractable roof.
I think you are a little off on your cost estimate for a retractable roof. This issue was widely debated during construction. The high cost was a sign of the times, especially the cost of steel.
And it should also be pointed out that it was planned and started construction during a huge real estate boom when construction costs were through the roof. That was a big factor in its cost compared to stadiums built a few years later after the bubble burst (NYC metro area being another cost factor).
..but wtf do I know?
Timing is everything, even billionaires get it wrong on occasion.
I think we should keep commenting on it until we get a new one, it's a disgrace.
I never went to a game because the stadium looks cool.
$1.5B apparently only gets you an ugly concrete bowl in NJ
The Jets wanted to build their own stadium on the west side. Under that proposal the Giants would have built one at the meadowlands by themselves.
Before long some a-hole will want to get rid of the High Line segment there in order to develop more.
I haven't been to a newer stadium to compare the sight lines from the upper tier, so I cannot comment on that.
I’m not phased by MetLife either way, but when fans get pissy about the stadium I always remember Mara didn’t go the corporate welfare route and bilk the state to build a stadium.
re. the Allianz lights. As my buddy pointed out- they paid $1.7B to build the whole thing, and got cheap on the lights.
For $5B, I should have a virtual seat from my couch onto a teleport wall in their mezzanine.
Before long some a-hole will want to get rid of the High Line segment there in order to develop more.
After I climbed the Empire State building during its tower/stairs race, we climbed Hudson yards the next day around 5 times. What an exquisite structure that is.
I think the most legit complaint is prob the upper deck being further away than old Giants Stadium, but other than that....
All of this is true, but MetLife was mediocre even when it was built.
Usually a new stadium has at least a short reign as the most cutting-edge stadium in the league, until the next one is built. MetLife entered in the middle of the pack, at best.
ha so true. I am willing to bet the Rams move again in my lifetime and not too far into the future. It's what they do.
Interesting! Didn't know that!
TBS - The old stadium still blows the new one away!
The first part is hogwash. No team in a million years is moving away from NY market and if it was someone it would be Jets. Makes zero sense on any level.
Second part absolutely agree. A stadium in an area that is supported by mass transit is going to have drunker louder fans. Seahawks have that going for them and the whole atmosphere of getting off ferry and walking to stadium a mile away is a fantastic experience. Kind of reminded me more of a collegiate atmosphere.
I think the most legit complaint is prob the upper deck being further away than old Giants Stadium, but other than that....
I agree with this. But I think the sight lines are great and could care less about everything else. So SoFi looks cool. So what? Same for Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta. Jerry's World looks cool as well, but the gameday experience is not great. Candidly if you are even with or above the video board, that's what you watch, not the live action. In addition, comparing open air stadiums to domes is apples and oranges. I don't hear anyone singing the praises of Levis Stadium in San Francisco as compared to these new domes.
I think 10 years later, the hate for MetLife goes back to PSL's and long time season ticket holders believing they had something stolen from them. And if you had to move your seats, its hard to disagree. But in terms of the stadium, I'm fine with MetLife.
They definitely tried.
Except that air quality, oh my.
I can't believe 5 billion with a B for that stadium, wow.
Did I hear them say last night that Met Life cost more
than Jerry's palace in Dallas?
For $1.6B, it should at least have a retractable roof.
It has no life. No vibrance. It's just a boring, bland, cookie cutter football stadium.
It's also a pain in the fucking ass to get there. Probably why I've so seldom actually gone.
NYG had a Franchise QB with 2 SB MVP's, they destroyed his prime and back end of his career.
Look at their organizations and then look at their stadium. Makes total sense.
It takes a special level of incompetence to screw up a golden goose monopoly the way John Mara has.
The genie is out of the bottle. It will never go back to the way it was before PSLs and it's one thing to rape your generational fan base for pure greed. But it's a whole level up to rape them for a building that's a horrible game day experience and an embarrassment compared to the rest of the league.
Even Woody Johnson had the sense not to charge PSLs for the upper deck in that dump. You can barely see the numbers on the players jerseys from that high above the field.
When the history of the Giants is written 50 years from now PSL stadium will be the tipping point for where it all went wrong.
For $1.6B, it should at least have a retractable roof.
Cost of living differences. $1.6B goes a lot further in Minnesota than NYC metro area.
2) That said, in comparison to other stadia from a similar timeframe (and prior) Met Life sucks.
3) The comparison to Allianz is a good one. It is an embarrassment that the "different colored" lighting is nothing more than colored shields that have to manually be swapped out to change colors. How was this not LED lighting?
4) That is one basic example. There are so many others.
At MetLife, I could get where I was going...so that might not be exciting, the visuals aren't knocking your socks off, but for me, I appreciated it.
For $1.6B, it should at least have a retractable roof.
I think you are a little off on your cost estimate for a retractable roof. This issue was widely debated during construction. The high cost was a sign of the times, especially the cost of steel.