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Is there a more pathetic franchise than the Detroit Lions?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2020 9:37 am
I believe Mook pointed this out, but Detroit blew 7-SEVEN!-4th quarter leads in 2019. So how do you start out 2020? By blowing a 23-6 lead, allowing the Trubisky led Bears to score 21 unanswered in the 4th. And just when it looked like they might pull it out, D'Andre Swift drops a gimme score that would have given them the win.

Since winning their last NFL title in Eisenhower's second term, the Lions have won 1-ONE!-playoff game. They've won 3 divisional titles. 0 Super appearances obviously.

What a woebegone franchise. If you think we've had it bad lately, look at Detroit post 1957.

Probably not "more" pathetic  
Chris684 : 9/14/2020 9:42 am : link
but the Jet and Browns are right there.

All three of those teams had real beauties yesterday. One situation more embarrassing than the next.

I probably would have included the Bengals here but the presence of Burrow is going to change everything for them.

We don't have a right to make fun of other bad teams.  
penkap75 : 9/14/2020 9:45 am : link
We are in the bottom of the barrel with the rest of them.
The Browns and Jets are more pathetic  
gtt350 : 9/14/2020 9:46 am : link
Detroit is competitive but can never close so they are maddening
last three years  
Giantsfan79 : 9/14/2020 9:48 am : link
one team has 12 wins
one team has 18 wins

if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.
RE: We don't have a right to make fun of other bad teams.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/14/2020 9:49 am : link
In comment 14969476 penkap75 said:
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We are in the bottom of the barrel with the rest of them.


2 SBs in 10 years doesn’t put us anywhere near these teams, recent lousy results notwithstanding..
Matt Patrica  
terz22 : 9/14/2020 9:50 am : link
continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.
RE: We don't have a right to make fun of other bad teams.  
BigBlueShock : 9/14/2020 9:55 am : link
In comment 14969476 penkap75 said:
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We are in the bottom of the barrel with the rest of them.

I’ve seen the Giants win 4 Super Bowls. I think Lions fans would sign up for that...
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BleedBlue : 9/14/2020 10:10 am : link
we arent close to these teams mentioned.

yes we have had 3 REALLY bad years but we have super bowls in the last decade....

the lions, jets and browns would LOVE to switch track records.

The giants went through some bad coaches and lousy football but the tide is turning!!!!!!


our team is young but ready!
RE: last three years  
Simms11 : 9/14/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 14969480 Giantsfan79 said:
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one team has 12 wins
one team has 18 wins

if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.


This^
Jets look like they need a new coach  
ZogZerg : 9/14/2020 10:12 am : link
and new "franchise" QB after 1 game.

They and the Browns are looking pretty Pathetic after week 1.
Again, Browns were being hyped before the season started.

Lions are pathetic with holding leads. They have lost some pretty bad games the last few years.
Not to pile on but Patricia looks awful too.  
j_rud : 9/14/2020 10:18 am : link
I mean he's in peak Andy Reid territory.
Detroit was able to hold onto their 4QTR lead last year  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 10:19 am : link
versus the Giants.

Mentioned on another thread, Swift's next game cannot come soon enough. Hoping he can shake it off.



RE: ....  
mfsd : 9/14/2020 10:23 am : link
In comment 14969536 BleedBlue said:
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we arent close to these teams mentioned.

yes we have had 3 REALLY bad years but we have super bowls in the last decade....

the lions, jets and browns would LOVE to switch track records.

The giants went through some bad coaches and lousy football but the tide is turning!!!!!!


our team is young but ready!


+1

We’ve sucked for the past 3 years, and really ever since SB 46 aside from 2016...but the Giants aren’t remotely as bad as what the Lions, Browns, and Jets have been
RE: RE: ....  
BleedBlue : 9/14/2020 10:33 am : link
In comment 14969556 mfsd said:
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In comment 14969536 BleedBlue said:


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we arent close to these teams mentioned.

yes we have had 3 REALLY bad years but we have super bowls in the last decade....

the lions, jets and browns would LOVE to switch track records.

The giants went through some bad coaches and lousy football but the tide is turning!!!!!!


our team is young but ready!



+1

We’ve sucked for the past 3 years, and really ever since SB 46 aside from 2016...but the Giants aren’t remotely as bad as what the Lions, Browns, and Jets have been


agreed
That is an amazing record of suckitude  
BigBlueNH : 9/14/2020 10:49 am : link
I was born in 1959, and it is almost unfathomable that the Lions have won 1 playoff game since my birth.
Sorry, Detroit maybe be a bad team/Franchise  
jvm52106 : 9/14/2020 10:54 am : link
but Pathetic is the Cleveland Browns. No matter how many players they draft, they buy, they trade and no matter how many coaches they try, they still suck. They are 0-15-1 in their last 16 season openers! They have a #1 pick at QB, former All-Pro WR's OBJ and Landry, former 1st RD pick at TE Njoku and FA signing Hooper, not one but two feature backs- Hunt and Cobb and they put up 6 points against the Ravens. They are an absolute disaster of an organization.
The Browns  
Giantology : 9/14/2020 10:56 am : link
have not won a season opener since 2004. They helped normalize 2020 a bit yesterday.
RE: Matt Patrica  
Mike in NY : 9/14/2020 10:58 am : link
In comment 14969487 terz22 said:
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continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.


Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).
I Get That Detroit Sucks and Has for a LONG Time...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/14/2020 10:59 am : link
But a Giants fan pointing this out is a little like the owner of a Chevy Impala making fun of someone else's "clunker car".
Hard to think of one more pathetic  
arniefez : 9/14/2020 10:59 am : link
I watched the end of yesterday's game. How does he drop that pass?
Comparing the last 3 years...  
Chris in Philly : 9/14/2020 11:02 am : link
to the last 60 years is like comparing apples and trombones.
Are people.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/14/2020 11:03 am : link
really that fucking dense that they don't understand the difference between a franchise that has gone to 5 SB's (including two in the past 15 years) vs. a team with 1 playoff win since the 60's??

Because it certainly appears that way.
RE: Are people.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2020 11:04 am : link
In comment 14969625 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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really that fucking dense that they don't understand the difference between a franchise that has gone to 5 SB's (including two in the past 15 years) vs. a team with 1 playoff win since the 60's??

Because it certainly appears that way.


Apparently so.
RE: We don't have a right to make fun of other bad teams.  
djm : 9/14/2020 11:15 am : link
In comment 14969476 penkap75 said:
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We are in the bottom of the barrel with the rest of them.


Uh, yes we do. The Lions aren't even in the same galaxy that houses teams like the Giants. We have had a bad 3 years, ok, and Detroit has had a bad existence, period.
RE: RE: Matt Patrica  
djm : 9/14/2020 11:20 am : link
In comment 14969613 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14969487 terz22 said:


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continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.



Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).


This whole Belichick coaching tree thing is just more lazy bullshit from the masses. That doesn't mean that there is some truth to this, but it also doesn't mean that every coach under Bill is going to fail when they become HCs later on down the road. Just like every coach under Parcells didn't succeed as HC later on.

Middle ground. It's probably more coincidence than correlation. And not every coach under Bill failed miserably. Despite the popular opinion, Bill OBrien hasn't been bad at all in Houston. He's won division title and playoff games and he's got an overall winning record.

Maybe if Mangini goes to a better franchise he's not one n done. Same with the Lions HC.
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Gruber : 9/14/2020 11:26 am : link
I bear no animus toward Detroit. Their fans deserve better, they really do.
The Jets on the other hand, just make me laugh. They sucked for Sam and they still suck.
Here's a wacky theory about the "Belichick coaches fail" idea.  
an_idol_mind : 9/14/2020 11:30 am : link
Succeeding as a head coach in the NFL is hard. Period. Most head coaches fail.

There are more former Patriots coaches out there because the Patriots are a top franchise and thus get their coaches poached.

If Judge fails as a head coach, it won't be because he came from the Belichick coaching tree. It will be because success in the NFL is very difficult to achieve, and only a handful of people ever produce the results a franchise desires.
RE: The Browns  
chick310 : 9/14/2020 11:35 am : link
In comment 14969607 Giantology said:
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have not won a season opener since 2004. They helped normalize 2020 a bit yesterday.


That is almost unbelievable.
Does the  
Pete in MD : 9/14/2020 11:40 am : link
media still think Matt Stafford is better than Eli?
Yes, DET is awful  
lugnut : 9/14/2020 11:44 am : link
I live in the area and it's the same malaise year after year after year after...

DET, CLE and NYJ all the same -- no matter what they do or change -- coaches GMs, players -- they just suck constantly.
Seriously, they have issues like a lot of teams, but if the rookie RB  
Spider56 : 9/14/2020 11:46 am : link
catches the easy TD pass at the end, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, and the Lions would be in first place.
RE: last three years  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2020 11:47 am : link
In comment 14969480 Giantsfan79 said:
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one team has 12 wins
one team has 18 wins

if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.


THIS.
RE: We don't have a right to make fun of other bad teams.  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 11:48 am : link
In comment 14969476 penkap75 said:
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We are in the bottom of the barrel with the rest of them.


I have the right to make fun of any team I want to. Giants can go 0-16 and I'll still do it.
The Giants Have  
lax counsel : 9/14/2020 11:52 am : link
Been bottom of the barrel since 2013, but they are light years better franchise than Lions, Browns, or Jets.

I could be wrong, but since 1986, aren't the Giants second only to Patriots in SB titles?
I saw on a NFL Brasil tweet  
NINEster : 9/14/2020 2:10 pm : link
of all places, all of the NFL teams with 500+ wins regular & postseason combined.

Detroit is top 10 of all NFL franchises, all time.

The curse of Bobby Lane is very real. The Lions of old were a real franchise.

Packers - 792
Bears - 787
Giants - 720
Steelers - 672
Redskins - 627
Eagles -626
Rams - 598
49ers - 577
Lions - 573
Cardinals - 566
Cowboys - 555
Patriots - 550
Colts - 546
Vikings - 509
Broncos - 506

RE: RE: RE: Matt Patrica  
NINEster : 9/14/2020 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14969657 djm said:
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In comment 14969613 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14969487 terz22 said:


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continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.



Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).



This whole Belichick coaching tree thing is just more lazy bullshit from the masses. That doesn't mean that there is some truth to this, but it also doesn't mean that every coach under Bill is going to fail when they become HCs later on down the road. Just like every coach under Parcells didn't succeed as HC later on.

Middle ground. It's probably more coincidence than correlation. And not every coach under Bill failed miserably. Despite the popular opinion, Bill OBrien hasn't been bad at all in Houston. He's won division title and playoff games and he's got an overall winning record.

Maybe if Mangini goes to a better franchise he's not one n done. Same with the Lions HC.


Belichick is either more secretive than Bill Walsh ever was with his assistants, or a lot lazier/worse at teaching them the ropes.

Holmgren - Reid
Seifert - Shanahan
Dennis Green

We can add Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay to the list too. SB appearances for all of them except Dennis Green. Plenty more recognizable names that are too many to list that have had sustained success in the league.

Bill O'Brien is as good as the Belichick tree gets. Even Parcells had a SB winning tree.




RE: The Giants Have  
monstercoo : 9/14/2020 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14969713 lax counsel said:
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Been bottom of the barrel since 2013, but they are light years better franchise than Lions, Browns, or Jets.

I could be wrong, but since 1986, aren't the Giants second only to Patriots in SB titles?


2016 was a pretty good year for the franchise and as a fan. I would argue that since then, this has been one of the worst franchises in the NFL. I think the Browns have at least given fans more hope during that period by putting together an exciting roster.

Compared to the Lions, that team always seems to be in games and is able to pull off upsets once in awhile. Matt Stafford is really entertaining. The Giants during this past 4 year period have been so terrible, I don't remember the last upset we had. It feels like most games are over before the 4th quarter.
RE: RE: The Giants Have  
lax counsel : 9/14/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14969939 monstercoo said:
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In comment 14969713 lax counsel said:


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Been bottom of the barrel since 2013, but they are light years better franchise than Lions, Browns, or Jets.

I could be wrong, but since 1986, aren't the Giants second only to Patriots in SB titles?



2016 was a pretty good year for the franchise and as a fan. I would argue that since then, this has been one of the worst franchises in the NFL. I think the Browns have at least given fans more hope during that period by putting together an exciting roster.

Compared to the Lions, that team always seems to be in games and is able to pull off upsets once in awhile. Matt Stafford is really entertaining. The Giants during this past 4 year period have been so terrible, I don't remember the last upset we had. It feels like most games are over before the 4th quarter.


This is certainly true of the last 3 years (and 2013, 2014, and 2015), but consider that those franchises have been throwing up those types of seasons for decades on end. We did get a little spoiled because 1985-2012 was generally good times - and for those older timers 1963 and prior were generally good. But these dark periods for the Giants pale in comparison to some of these franchises in the NFL - Lions included.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Matt Patrica  
Mike in NY : 9/14/2020 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14969937 NINEster said:
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In comment 14969657 djm said:


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In comment 14969613 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 14969487 terz22 said:


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continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.



Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).



This whole Belichick coaching tree thing is just more lazy bullshit from the masses. That doesn't mean that there is some truth to this, but it also doesn't mean that every coach under Bill is going to fail when they become HCs later on down the road. Just like every coach under Parcells didn't succeed as HC later on.

Middle ground. It's probably more coincidence than correlation. And not every coach under Bill failed miserably. Despite the popular opinion, Bill OBrien hasn't been bad at all in Houston. He's won division title and playoff games and he's got an overall winning record.

Maybe if Mangini goes to a better franchise he's not one n done. Same with the Lions HC.



Belichick is either more secretive than Bill Walsh ever was with his assistants, or a lot lazier/worse at teaching them the ropes.

Holmgren - Reid
Seifert - Shanahan
Dennis Green

We can add Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay to the list too. SB appearances for all of them except Dennis Green. Plenty more recognizable names that are too many to list that have had sustained success in the league.

Bill O'Brien is as good as the Belichick tree gets. Even Parcells had a SB winning tree.





I don't think it is Belichick being more secretive/lazier/worse. I think the issue is that Brady and their defensive scheme made a lot of poor coaches look better than they actually were. He also generally looks at assistants who have not learned "bad habits" from other coaches. The problem with that is the Bill Belichick method only really works when you have the credibility/capital of Bill Belichick and have a complete roster that is willing to play within the system. What makes me think that Judge has the potential to be different is, as I said earlier, the background with Saban versus some guy who never really coached a until above Division II that was nurtured by Bill. Before he was found by Bill, Josh McDaniels had 1 year as a Graduate Assistant at Michigan State. Matt Patricia was a Graduate Assistant at RPI and Syracuse and two seasons as a DL Coach at Amherst. On the other hand, Bill O'Brien was an OC at Georgia Tech and Duke, RB Coach at Maryland, Head Coach at Penn State in addition to working in New England.
I hope you’re not suggesting Bill O’Brien is a poster child for succes  
Spider56 : 9/14/2020 3:58 pm : link
I have friends in Houston that would like to see him neutered.
RE: last three years  
FStubbs : 9/14/2020 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14969480 Giantsfan79 said:
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one team has 12 wins
one team has 18 wins

if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.


This. The last 3 years the Giants have literally been the NFL's worst team. And that's with Cleveland throwing in a 0-16 season. No room here to laugh at anybody.
RE: RE: last three years  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2020 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14970072 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14969480 Giantsfan79 said:


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one team has 12 wins
one team has 18 wins

if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.



This. The last 3 years the Giants have literally been the NFL's worst team. And that's with Cleveland throwing in a 0-16 season. No room here to laugh at anybody.


I don't mean to single you, but a lot of people didn't read the OP. I'm not just talking about the last 3 years; I'm talking historically. The Lions have won ONE playoff game since 1957. That's 62 years.
I was a big Matt Patricia guy, but he is clearly missing something  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2020 4:09 pm : link
if you are constantly turning W's into Ls from a win standpoint.
This is the kind of thread that strangely makes me feel good.  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/14/2020 4:18 pm : link
Contrary to popular believe we aren't those franchises historically, ups and downs. I can't believe lots of people are missing that this is the very beginning of our next wave of great Giant football play.

I imagine I'll get killed for this, but sometimes when you see what a guy is doing and how he operates he can succeed in any field. Joe Judge is a tremendous communicator, runs his practice in a detail organized way, and seems to me understands the importance of how to lead a bunch of testosterone fueled ego maniac young men. Unless he is some awful game day coach at least we found something competent and I have the feeling much much more. There is just something about this guy. Plus the way the team is currently constructed, the arrow is up, and waaay up if DJ can control the football.
There's no removing NYG  
JonC : 9/14/2020 4:21 pm : link
from that rung right now, we stink up there with them.
Still can’t believe Swift dropped that ball  
jeff57 : 9/14/2020 6:06 pm : link
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RE: Detroit was able to hold onto their 4QTR lead last year  
BubbaMojo : 9/14/2020 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14969550 LBH15 said:
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versus the Giants.

Mentioned on another thread, Swift's next game cannot come soon enough. Hoping he can shake it off.





Jimmy Googs (aka LBH15) supporting his UGA players.
RE: Detroit is top 10 of all NFL franchises, all time  
whozzat : 9/15/2020 1:01 am : link
In comment 14969928 NINEster said:
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Packers - 792
Bears - 787
Giants - 720
Steelers - 672
Redskins - 627
Eagles -626
Rams - 598
49ers - 577
Lions - 573
Cardinals - 566
Cowboys - 555
Patriots - 550
Colts - 546
Vikings - 509
Broncos - 506



Uh, the Lions have been around quite a while longer than any of the AFL teams, not to mention the Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Seahawks, Jags, Panthers, Ravens, and Texans... which makes the total wins stat pretty much meaningless.
Atlanta Falcons. Lol.  
Route 9 : 9/23/2020 3:19 am : link
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RE: RE: Detroit was able to hold onto their 4QTR lead last year  
arcarsenal : 9/23/2020 7:38 am : link
In comment 14970333 BubbaMojo said:
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In comment 14969550 LBH15 said:


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versus the Giants.

Mentioned on another thread, Swift's next game cannot come soon enough. Hoping he can shake it off.







Jimmy Googs (aka LBH15) supporting his UGA players.


Lol, why is he denying that he has a new handle? It's clearly the same person.
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