I believe Mook pointed this out, but Detroit blew 7-SEVEN!-4th quarter leads in 2019. So how do you start out 2020? By blowing a 23-6 lead, allowing the Trubisky led Bears to score 21 unanswered in the 4th. And just when it looked like they might pull it out, D'Andre Swift drops a gimme score that would have given them the win.
Since winning their last NFL title in Eisenhower's second term, the Lions have won 1-ONE!-playoff game. They've won 3 divisional titles. 0 Super appearances obviously.
What a woebegone franchise. If you think we've had it bad lately, look at Detroit post 1957.
All three of those teams had real beauties yesterday. One situation more embarrassing than the next.
I probably would have included the Bengals here but the presence of Burrow is going to change everything for them.
one team has 18 wins
if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.
2 SBs in 10 years doesn’t put us anywhere near these teams, recent lousy results notwithstanding..
I’ve seen the Giants win 4 Super Bowls. I think Lions fans would sign up for that...
yes we have had 3 REALLY bad years but we have super bowls in the last decade....
the lions, jets and browns would LOVE to switch track records.
The giants went through some bad coaches and lousy football but the tide is turning!!!!!!
our team is young but ready!
one team has 18 wins
if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.
This^
They and the Browns are looking pretty Pathetic after week 1.
Again, Browns were being hyped before the season started.
Lions are pathetic with holding leads. They have lost some pretty bad games the last few years.
Mentioned on another thread, Swift's next game cannot come soon enough. Hoping he can shake it off.
yes we have had 3 REALLY bad years but we have super bowls in the last decade....
the lions, jets and browns would LOVE to switch track records.
The giants went through some bad coaches and lousy football but the tide is turning!!!!!!
our team is young but ready!
+1
We’ve sucked for the past 3 years, and really ever since SB 46 aside from 2016...but the Giants aren’t remotely as bad as what the Lions, Browns, and Jets have been
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we arent close to these teams mentioned.
yes we have had 3 REALLY bad years but we have super bowls in the last decade....
the lions, jets and browns would LOVE to switch track records.
The giants went through some bad coaches and lousy football but the tide is turning!!!!!!
our team is young but ready!
+1
We’ve sucked for the past 3 years, and really ever since SB 46 aside from 2016...but the Giants aren’t remotely as bad as what the Lions, Browns, and Jets have been
agreed
Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).
Because it certainly appears that way.
Because it certainly appears that way.
Apparently so.
Uh, yes we do. The Lions aren't even in the same galaxy that houses teams like the Giants. We have had a bad 3 years, ok, and Detroit has had a bad existence, period.
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Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).
This whole Belichick coaching tree thing is just more lazy bullshit from the masses. That doesn't mean that there is some truth to this, but it also doesn't mean that every coach under Bill is going to fail when they become HCs later on down the road. Just like every coach under Parcells didn't succeed as HC later on.
Middle ground. It's probably more coincidence than correlation. And not every coach under Bill failed miserably. Despite the popular opinion, Bill OBrien hasn't been bad at all in Houston. He's won division title and playoff games and he's got an overall winning record.
Maybe if Mangini goes to a better franchise he's not one n done. Same with the Lions HC.
The Jets on the other hand, just make me laugh. They sucked for Sam and they still suck.
There are more former Patriots coaches out there because the Patriots are a top franchise and thus get their coaches poached.
If Judge fails as a head coach, it won't be because he came from the Belichick coaching tree. It will be because success in the NFL is very difficult to achieve, and only a handful of people ever produce the results a franchise desires.
That is almost unbelievable.
DET, CLE and NYJ all the same -- no matter what they do or change -- coaches GMs, players -- they just suck constantly.
one team has 18 wins
if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.
THIS.
I have the right to make fun of any team I want to. Giants can go 0-16 and I'll still do it.
I could be wrong, but since 1986, aren't the Giants second only to Patriots in SB titles?
Detroit is top 10 of all NFL franchises, all time.
The curse of Bobby Lane is very real. The Lions of old were a real franchise.
Packers - 792
Bears - 787
Giants - 720
Steelers - 672
Redskins - 627
Eagles -626
Rams - 598
49ers - 577
Lions - 573
Cardinals - 566
Cowboys - 555
Patriots - 550
Colts - 546
Vikings - 509
Broncos - 506
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continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.
Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).
This whole Belichick coaching tree thing is just more lazy bullshit from the masses. That doesn't mean that there is some truth to this, but it also doesn't mean that every coach under Bill is going to fail when they become HCs later on down the road. Just like every coach under Parcells didn't succeed as HC later on.
Middle ground. It's probably more coincidence than correlation. And not every coach under Bill failed miserably. Despite the popular opinion, Bill OBrien hasn't been bad at all in Houston. He's won division title and playoff games and he's got an overall winning record.
Maybe if Mangini goes to a better franchise he's not one n done. Same with the Lions HC.
Belichick is either more secretive than Bill Walsh ever was with his assistants, or a lot lazier/worse at teaching them the ropes.
Holmgren - Reid
Seifert - Shanahan
Dennis Green
We can add Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay to the list too. SB appearances for all of them except Dennis Green. Plenty more recognizable names that are too many to list that have had sustained success in the league.
Bill O'Brien is as good as the Belichick tree gets. Even Parcells had a SB winning tree.
I could be wrong, but since 1986, aren't the Giants second only to Patriots in SB titles?
2016 was a pretty good year for the franchise and as a fan. I would argue that since then, this has been one of the worst franchises in the NFL. I think the Browns have at least given fans more hope during that period by putting together an exciting roster.
Compared to the Lions, that team always seems to be in games and is able to pull off upsets once in awhile. Matt Stafford is really entertaining. The Giants during this past 4 year period have been so terrible, I don't remember the last upset we had. It feels like most games are over before the 4th quarter.
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Been bottom of the barrel since 2013, but they are light years better franchise than Lions, Browns, or Jets.
I could be wrong, but since 1986, aren't the Giants second only to Patriots in SB titles?
2016 was a pretty good year for the franchise and as a fan. I would argue that since then, this has been one of the worst franchises in the NFL. I think the Browns have at least given fans more hope during that period by putting together an exciting roster.
Compared to the Lions, that team always seems to be in games and is able to pull off upsets once in awhile. Matt Stafford is really entertaining. The Giants during this past 4 year period have been so terrible, I don't remember the last upset we had. It feels like most games are over before the 4th quarter.
This is certainly true of the last 3 years (and 2013, 2014, and 2015), but consider that those franchises have been throwing up those types of seasons for decades on end. We did get a little spoiled because 1985-2012 was generally good times - and for those older timers 1963 and prior were generally good. But these dark periods for the Giants pale in comparison to some of these franchises in the NFL - Lions included.
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continues to show that Belicheck head coaches don't do well. Fingers crossed Judge will be better than this clown.
Judge is different than your typical Bill Belicheck assistant. Patricia's college expereince besides being a Graduate Assistant is 1999-2000 at Amherst. Joe Judge's experience includes working under Nick Saban and if you look at Judge's coaching staff, other than Graham and Schuplinski, it is basically a staff you would expect Nick Saban to put together if he was coming back to the NFL (a lot of the assistants have ties to Saban at Alabama and LSU and Jason Garrett coached under Saban when he was with the Dolphins).
This whole Belichick coaching tree thing is just more lazy bullshit from the masses. That doesn't mean that there is some truth to this, but it also doesn't mean that every coach under Bill is going to fail when they become HCs later on down the road. Just like every coach under Parcells didn't succeed as HC later on.
Middle ground. It's probably more coincidence than correlation. And not every coach under Bill failed miserably. Despite the popular opinion, Bill OBrien hasn't been bad at all in Houston. He's won division title and playoff games and he's got an overall winning record.
Maybe if Mangini goes to a better franchise he's not one n done. Same with the Lions HC.
Belichick is either more secretive than Bill Walsh ever was with his assistants, or a lot lazier/worse at teaching them the ropes.
Holmgren - Reid
Seifert - Shanahan
Dennis Green
We can add Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay to the list too. SB appearances for all of them except Dennis Green. Plenty more recognizable names that are too many to list that have had sustained success in the league.
Bill O'Brien is as good as the Belichick tree gets. Even Parcells had a SB winning tree.
I don't think it is Belichick being more secretive/lazier/worse. I think the issue is that Brady and their defensive scheme made a lot of poor coaches look better than they actually were. He also generally looks at assistants who have not learned "bad habits" from other coaches. The problem with that is the Bill Belichick method only really works when you have the credibility/capital of Bill Belichick and have a complete roster that is willing to play within the system. What makes me think that Judge has the potential to be different is, as I said earlier, the background with Saban versus some guy who never really coached a until above Division II that was nurtured by Bill. Before he was found by Bill, Josh McDaniels had 1 year as a Graduate Assistant at Michigan State. Matt Patricia was a Graduate Assistant at RPI and Syracuse and two seasons as a DL Coach at Amherst. On the other hand, Bill O'Brien was an OC at Georgia Tech and Duke, RB Coach at Maryland, Head Coach at Penn State in addition to working in New England.
one team has 18 wins
if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.
This. The last 3 years the Giants have literally been the NFL's worst team. And that's with Cleveland throwing in a 0-16 season. No room here to laugh at anybody.
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one team has 12 wins
one team has 18 wins
if losses = pathetic, perhaps we shouldn't throw stones.
This. The last 3 years the Giants have literally been the NFL's worst team. And that's with Cleveland throwing in a 0-16 season. No room here to laugh at anybody.
I don't mean to single you, but a lot of people didn't read the OP. I'm not just talking about the last 3 years; I'm talking historically. The Lions have won ONE playoff game since 1957. That's 62 years.
I imagine I'll get killed for this, but sometimes when you see what a guy is doing and how he operates he can succeed in any field. Joe Judge is a tremendous communicator, runs his practice in a detail organized way, and seems to me understands the importance of how to lead a bunch of testosterone fueled ego maniac young men. Unless he is some awful game day coach at least we found something competent and I have the feeling much much more. There is just something about this guy. Plus the way the team is currently constructed, the arrow is up, and waaay up if DJ can control the football.
Mentioned on another thread, Swift's next game cannot come soon enough. Hoping he can shake it off.
Jimmy Googs (aka LBH15) supporting his UGA players.
Packers - 792
Bears - 787
Giants - 720
Steelers - 672
Redskins - 627
Eagles -626
Rams - 598
49ers - 577
Lions - 573
Cardinals - 566
Cowboys - 555
Patriots - 550
Colts - 546
Vikings - 509
Broncos - 506
Uh, the Lions have been around quite a while longer than any of the AFL teams, not to mention the Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Seahawks, Jags, Panthers, Ravens, and Texans... which makes the total wins stat pretty much meaningless.
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Mentioned on another thread, Swift's next game cannot come soon enough. Hoping he can shake it off.
Jimmy Googs (aka LBH15) supporting his UGA players.
Lol, why is he denying that he has a new handle? It's clearly the same person.