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jc in c-ville : 9/14/2020 12:30 pm
3 catches, 22 yards.

65 million guaranteed at 18 million annually.

Obviously, this isn't working out well thus far in year two.

Given the state of the cap post COVID, a decision about their third year QB, former #1 pick overall, what the hell or the Brown's going to do here?

At his salary, he should be consistently putting up 1200/10 types of seasons. Ever since getting paid before the 2018 season, he is averaging a whopping 1043/5 over the past two years and for 2020, to get to 1200 yards, he would have to average 78 yards going forward.

What could they possibly get in a trade now for him?
I keep forgetting...  
BigBlueJ : 9/14/2020 12:33 pm : link
who was his QB again when he was rocking the world?
I don't think he is the problem, it is Mayfield  
BH28 : 9/14/2020 12:33 pm : link
Have you seen some of the throws his way? Absolute garbage. Kind of hard to make catches when the ball is 10 feet over your head.

Mayfield is in trouble this year if he doesn't step it up.
I still think  
crackerjack465 : 9/14/2020 12:36 pm : link
with a good QB he is a 1,200 - 1,300 yard receiver.

Eli at the tail end of his career and Baker leave little to be desired, sorry. I think it's more similar to Randy Moss when he played in Oakland.

OBJ doesn't look slow or anything out there. He can still play at a high level.
no idea, not defnding anyone here  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 12:38 pm : link
it was 1 game vs a top defense and the game was over before the half. I'm guessing there's a few different reasons why it isn't working out.

He did have 14 ypc last year, the volume was down - 133 targets vs his peak NYG targets of 169.

Seems like it just isn't a good fit there - coaching, the QB, them wanting to run more, etc.
He  
Toth029 : 9/14/2020 12:39 pm : link
Had a few drops and did not separate really well yesterday.

He just isn't the same player.
Agree  
PaulN : 9/14/2020 12:46 pm : link
It's one game, but Eli Beckham no injustice at all, if its not clear by now the problem was not Eli, it was the horrendous talent around him, whem will it? Jones performed well, he won 3 games.
the first game of the year  
Bill L : 9/14/2020 12:46 pm : link
is or, at least should be, the literal definition of small sample size.

How people can make firmly state conclusions on a kernel is more than I can comprehend (which is not saying all that much, but even so...).
RE: He  
Tuckrule : 9/14/2020 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14969784 Toth029 said:
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Had a few drops and did not separate really well yesterday.

He just isn't the same player.


This. He lost his explosiveness which allowed him to take slants to the house with the extra gear he had. He lost that gear. Now, he’s a good WR probably in the mold of Amari Cooper. That’s really the way I see him.
I drafted him in fantasy thinking  
mattlawson : 9/14/2020 12:52 pm : link
THIS would be the year. I felt like posting this exact same sentiment yesterday. Talk about a rude awakening, and how great he had it here. He should apologize if this keeps up.
did not watch the Browns  
Enzo : 9/14/2020 12:56 pm : link
yesterday but apparently Odell also drew 3 penalties (two pass interference and one holding). Nothing earth shattering but the raw stats don't always tell the whole story. Apparently the bigger concern is that Mayfield looked pretty bad overall.
Dan Schneier has some tweets today  
Defenderdawg : 9/14/2020 12:59 pm : link
Watched on GP this AM. Just my two cents: Baker was a problem in this one, but OBJ's early 3rd and 2 drop was awful and critical (Browns needed a TD on that drive to stay alive). On him on run plays and pass attempts not in his direction, he seemed to be going through the motions

OBJ had 10 targets today and was completely taken out of the game by a CB on an island in man. He finished with 3 catches and 22 yards. This comes in a new system that is expected to get him in space and max his skill set. But is he the same player? What’s his trade value now?

Questions on regime’s overall process (mainly valuation of draft capital), but at what point do we get to say everyone who destroyed #Giants for OBJ trade were objectively wrong?
OBJ (+ his contract) and OV (+ his awful contract) FOR peppers, 1, 3, Zeitler.
It’s not even close.

If the #Giants had waited another year, and OBJ was in that Shurmur locker room for its final days with a QB change + a more spread the ball approach (eli targeted OBJ 165 times a year and he still hated being there by the end), I promise you his trade value would’ve plummeted.


RE: RE: He  
Johnny5 : 9/14/2020 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14969798 Tuckrule said:
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Had a few drops and did not separate really well yesterday.

He just isn't the same player.



This. He lost his explosiveness which allowed him to take slants to the house with the extra gear he had. He lost that gear. Now, he’s a good WR probably in the mold of Amari Cooper. That’s really the way I see him.

I agree. He lost that extra gear with that lower leg injury. It made it easier for Getts to cut ties coupled with the attitude. I thought he migh recover that extra gear.... but he has not to this point.
Enzo  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 1:01 pm : link
Mayfield has a ton of work to do. He regressed greatly last year and has show that adversity really flusters him. I'm not going to get on anyone for a Week 1 performance but they have the Bengals "at home" on Thursday. If they look like shit again then it will get ugly fast.
In retrospect  
beatrixkiddo : 9/14/2020 1:06 pm : link
This was one of the best trades to date Gettleman has ever done. While it didn’t look it at the time, we absolutely won that trade with CLE. Sad to see he has never really returned to form as he was always entertaining to watch on the field. But he is no longer anything special. Only a matter of time at this rate before he starts throwing players over there under the bus, calls for a trade and uncommitment to to the team. He is not and never will be TEAM player. Giants did the right thing in moving on, I don’t wish him ill will and hope he can still prove us all wrong but those chances are becoming less and less each passing day.
Yeah, it's one game against a very good D  
ZogZerg : 9/14/2020 1:06 pm : link
But, isn't that when "Great players" are suppose to make plays? You can't drop that key first down pass.

I'm sure he will have big games this year against lesser Ds.
He will be a Dallas Cowboy  
Marianne at PSU : 9/14/2020 1:07 pm : link
before the end of his career.
RE: Yeah, it's one game against a very good D  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14969826 ZogZerg said:
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But, isn't that when "Great players" are suppose to make plays? You can't drop that key first down pass.

I'm sure he will have big games this year against lesser Ds.


Of course, but I don't think that really applies here when looking at it as a whole. WR's have bad games all the time and there usually isn't 1 specific reason. Gameflow, drops, shitty throws, etc are all factors.
Also  
figgy2989 : 9/14/2020 1:09 pm : link
Unsure if anyone saw, but he went into the locker room early in the first half to get an IV.

.  
arcarsenal : 9/14/2020 1:09 pm : link
The burst he had in 2016 is gone. I don't see that player anymore.

A lot of this is Mayfield, though - he has been absolutely terrible. That bandwagon filled up way too quickly. A lot of really bad throws.

Beckham is better than his numbers in Cleveland show, but Gettleman did the right thing in retrospect.

And yep, I defended Beckham here for a long time.

I'm perfectly willing to accept when I am wrong.
It's only one game against one of the better D's in the league  
bigblue1124 : 9/14/2020 1:10 pm : link
But with that said he is just not the player he was and or everyone touting him to be. He was a solid WR for us who made and incredible catch. His current QB still has many question marks IMO. And Baltimore is a tough go week one. I hope he can regain his elite status as a WR but I really don't see it happening.

A few more game's like yesterday I see a mental implosion again like we have all seen before. I hope for his sake it does not happen but we will see I guess.

OBJ  
stretch234 : 9/14/2020 1:10 pm : link
He had 10 targets. Did you See the QB play. Mayfield was terrible
RE: Also  
arcarsenal : 9/14/2020 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14969829 figgy2989 said:
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Unsure if anyone saw, but he went into the locker room early in the first half to get an IV.


I think it was actually early 3rd quarter. He dropped a pass and then went in for an IV "so he could get going," according to whoever gave the sideline report during the game. I've never seen a guy need so many IV's during games as Beckham does.
thanks arc  
figgy2989 : 9/14/2020 1:13 pm : link
You are correct, it was the third.

Glad to see you are back, hope all is well on your end.
Watched a good bit of that game with focus on OBJ  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 1:13 pm : link
He would up with a bunch of targets (10) but thru the third qtr I think he only had a few. Maybe when the game was out of hand he saw the ball more?

Nevertheless, he still showed a lot of the same bad traits the developed in his game. Frustration on the field when ball doesn't come his way or team loses, angst when talking with coaches on sideline, etc. Mayfield clearly didn't look good so this is going nowhere fast.

One noticeable moment was he came back along the sidelines to catch a ball on a broken play. But he stepped out of bounds before catching it so it was overturned. When he took his helmet off on the sideline an assistant coach was talking to him and he kind of lost his sh_t in responding, kind of like he was explaining it was his fault.

***  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 1:14 pm : link
wasn't his fault.
People still defending OBJ - LOL  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2020 1:14 pm : link
Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.
All I know is  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/14/2020 1:15 pm : link
He was crazy good until all the other stuff got in the way & he got hurt. Damn shame.
RE: People still defending OBJ - LOL  
broadbandz : 9/14/2020 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said:
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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.


same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.
RE: RE: People still defending OBJ - LOL  
PatersonPlank : 9/14/2020 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14969849 broadbandz said:
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In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said:


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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.



same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.


I think we should make a team of Rosen, OBJ, Baker at DB, Trent Richardson at RB, and let Dodge be the kicker. We can build from there.
I just don't really get it with  
ryanmkeane : 9/14/2020 1:19 pm : link
Mayfield. He's lingering on bust status.
.  
GiantEgo : 9/14/2020 1:20 pm : link
Are there two more overrated players than Mayfield and Beckham? Time for the NFL pundit class to admit Mayfield is not a good QB and Beckham's best years are now long behind him.
Always better to trade or get rid of a player  
Mike from SI : 9/14/2020 1:20 pm : link
a year too early versus a year too late. That said, it's one game. Let's see what happens in the next 15.
Mayfield's  
ryanmkeane : 9/14/2020 1:21 pm : link
accuracy is below average. He can't stand in the pocket and deliver a throw, he bails way too early. He's so manic back there. Even we saw with Jones last year, we had a shit OL and he was poised. Sometimes you can just tell.
That Beckham stat line  
ryanmkeane : 9/14/2020 1:22 pm : link
looks bad, if you watch some of those throws, they are way off. He could have made maybe 1-2 of them, but the accuracy is not good.
Dan Orlovsky  
ryanmkeane : 9/14/2020 1:24 pm : link
is spelling it out pretty correctly today on TV. He's basically saying that the Browns roster is meant for a ground and pound, 1-2 read type QB play. Mayfield feels like he has to make a huge play every single down and it is killing them.
RE: RE: RE: People still defending OBJ - LOL  
beatrixkiddo : 9/14/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14969852 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said:


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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.



same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.



I think we should make a team of Rosen, OBJ, Baker at DB, Trent Richardson at RB, and let Dodge be the kicker. We can build from there.


Add in the 1st round pick we are due from the saints for Shockey and we’re cooking!
Well, we’ll get to see him this year  
Simms11 : 9/14/2020 1:24 pm : link
and that game he’ll probably go off. He’s certainly not showing to be the top 5 receiver in the league anymore however.
Lamar Jackson is saving that QB draft class.  
bceagle05 : 9/14/2020 1:25 pm : link
Darnold and Mayfield are looking like average QBs at best, and Rosen has gotten lost in the shuffle. Josh Allen is developing nicely with a much better team and coaching staff. Overall though, that class doesn't appear worthy of the crazy hype it got, and Lamar wasn't even really part of the that hype.
You know what the problem is here  
ghost718 : 9/14/2020 1:29 pm : link
Not enough dump offs between Mayfield and Beckham
Gettleman  
Giants : 9/14/2020 1:30 pm : link
made the right move at the time. Some just did not want to see it
RE: thanks arc  
arcarsenal : 9/14/2020 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14969840 figgy2989 said:
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You are correct, it was the third.

Glad to see you are back, hope all is well on your end.


Thanks, buddy. Same to you!
He's not returning  
Joey in VA : 9/14/2020 1:37 pm : link
To form, that ship sailed with the ankle injury. He's 27 and adding lower body injuries and apparently still doesn't understand hydration. I watched most of the game too, I was curious to see this great coach and great team and they got skunked. Freddie Kitchens is smiling somewhere.

Odell looked disinterested most of the game, it was pretty sad to see actually, he's just a shell of what he could have been.
RE: He will be a Dallas Cowboy  
TXRabbit : 9/14/2020 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14969827 Marianne at PSU said:
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before the end of his career.


I'm also putting money on Miami lol
Some may blame the Qi but...  
Giant John : 9/14/2020 1:44 pm : link
He is clearly not the receiver he was early in his career with us. I noticed after his injuries he was no longer able to get separation from DB’s and he isn’t big enough to win many of those 50/50 balls.
Having said that it’s clear Mayfield is part of the problem too. He hasn’t developed as I expected he might. Cleveland is screwed.
Dexter Lawrence  
Matt in SGS : 9/14/2020 1:49 pm : link
might well end up being by far the best player involved in that trade.
RE: Dexter Lawrence  
ArlingtonMike : 9/14/2020 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14969893 Matt in SGS said:
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might well end up being by far the best player involved in that trade.

Could you imagine if all 3 guys in D from the OBJ trade have a big Gaa me? Not too shabby
RE: did not watch the Browns  
Toth029 : 9/14/2020 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14969812 Enzo said:
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yesterday but apparently Odell also drew 3 penalties (two pass interference and one holding). Nothing earth shattering but the raw stats don't always tell the whole story. Apparently the bigger concern is that Mayfield looked pretty bad overall.


Those were all on the same drive. He then failed to get open from coverage by Peters and Humphrey. In the end, he had 10 targets with just 22 yards to show for it.
RE: Some may blame the Qi but...  
ArlingtonMike : 9/14/2020 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14969889 Giant John said:
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He is clearly not the receiver he was early in his career with us. I noticed after his injuries he was no longer able to get separation from DB’s and he isn’t big enough to win many of those 50/50 balls.
Having said that it’s clear Mayfield is part of the problem too. He hasn’t developed as I expected he might. Cleveland is screwed.

His ankle breaking cuts just aren’t there anymore. His routes and ability to separate just aren’t there. Pair that with an inaccurate QB and the inability to hydrate and you got trouble.

Never heard of anyone outside heavy drinkers needing an IV as often as he does.
RE: That Beckham stat line  
Toth029 : 9/14/2020 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14969860 ryanmkeane said:
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looks bad, if you watch some of those throws, they are way off. He could have made maybe 1-2 of them, but the accuracy is not good.


Odell has/had a great catch radius.

That, along with his separation, isn't what it used to be.
He should have had 2 tds yesterday  
Ron Johnson : 9/14/2020 2:05 pm : link
he beat his man deep twice and the ball was overthrown. Mayfield didn't play well.
Before we dance on the guys grave  
GManinDC : 9/14/2020 2:06 pm : link
Keep in mind that he played through a sports hernia all last season, played in all 16 games and still had over 1000 yards.

He had off-season surgery and now is returning. And his QB sucks..
maybe Eli  
Amtoft : 9/14/2020 2:09 pm : link
is better at the end of his career than this site wants to give him credit for. If you gave Eli time he was great even at the end.
OBJ's career highlight  
Stan in LA : 9/14/2020 2:20 pm : link
I  
Toth029 : 9/14/2020 2:26 pm : link
Know there are fans who still want to see him succeed. He isn't a bad guy. He does love attention and that isn't a crime. But truth is, injuries have limited his big play ability for the last three seasons. Did he have 1K last year? Sure. But over 25 receivers did last season. He is capable of much more. He was a TD monster in New York with Ben friggin' McAdoo as the play caller and an aging Eli as his QB. An aging Eli still knew what Odell was capable of and made terrific downfield throws. Kitchens did phenomenal in 2018 (with Mayfield and weaker personnel) with the Browns which is why he was promoted; now the Browns play caller is Stefanski who have Kirk Cousins and his outside targets career years. He did great in Philly too.

Maybe Odell rebounds. He did play hurt (which we are told about... a lot). But how many more excuses does he get?
RE: People still defending OBJ - LOL  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2020 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said:
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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.


I think you are looking for a fight that isn't there. Beckham has his warts - is it a crime to also point to the bigger problem in Cleveland, the QB?

I wanted Beckham to work out here and it didn't. I've moved on from that. Doesn't mean everything he does is right or wrong.
So now Eli made Beckham better?  
GManinDC : 9/14/2020 2:44 pm : link
I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??
RE: .  
Gruber : 9/14/2020 2:55 pm : link
In comment 14969855 GiantEgo said:
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Are there two more overrated players than Mayfield and Beckham? Time for the NFL pundit class to admit Mayfield is not a good QB and Beckham's best years are now long behind him.


The NFL pundit class? How about the Browns' front office. They drafted him with the #1 overall pick!
I said this right at the time: they could have drafted Barkley with #1 and still had the choice of a QB with #4. Imagine that!
RE: So now Eli made Beckham better?  
Britt in VA : 9/14/2020 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14969966 GManinDC said:
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??


I don’t think he made him better, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that Beckham had his best seasons with Manning, and also acknowledge that Beckham insinuated that Manning was holding him back.

It’s also fair to acknowledge, that in Manning’s long 16 year career, that there was never a WR or TE that went on to a better career elsewhere. Now I’m not saying that’s a pattern, there were a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.

It’s fair to acknowledge.
I was OK with OBJ leaving when he did  
LG in NYC : 9/14/2020 3:04 pm : link
and I am even more happy about it now.

great talent. but not a guy who makes a team better and may not have been good for D Jones (ala Shockey & Eli)
Cleveland press  
fireitup77 : 9/14/2020 3:13 pm : link
it's starting to turn.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: So now Eli made Beckham better?  
GManinDC : 9/14/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14969992 Britt in VA said:
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??



I don’t think he made him better, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that Beckham had his best seasons with Manning, and also acknowledge that Beckham insinuated that Manning was holding him back.

It’s also fair to acknowledge, that in Manning’s long 16 year career, that there was never a WR or TE that went on to a better career elsewhere. Now I’m not saying that’s a pattern, there were a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.

It’s fair to acknowledge.



Britt, I agree with all your points. i can acknowledge al lof that.

The whole, no other player WR or TE played better when they left is full of reasons and yes it is a coincidence. Almost every single one of them left injured.

Eli was had some of the best skill position players almost throughout his career.
Some of the best? I don’t know.....  
Britt in VA : 9/14/2020 3:41 pm : link
I think he made a lot of guys too. The Steve Smiths, Jake Ballards, Kevin Bosses, Mario Manninghams, and Rueben Randles of the world...

Even his very best: Plax, Nicks, Cruz.... were never considered “the” best. Except Beckham.

They were just very good “teams/units”. Other than OBJ, it’s not like we ever had Megatron on the roster.
Multiple things can be true at once  
Eric on Li : 9/14/2020 3:44 pm : link
OBJ never got back to the HOF '14-'16 level few have ever reached in the first place
He's still a lot more capable than he's shown with Mayfield
Eli didn't make or break him
Just like Shockey, his attitude and poor judgement hold him back more than any opponent (and are why he's in the situation he's in right now)
I’m just saying the success was complimentary.  
Britt in VA : 9/14/2020 3:45 pm : link
Very good QB play complimenting very good unit play equaling GREAT results.
RE: Multiple things can be true at once  
LBH15 : 9/14/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14970044 Eric on Li said:
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OBJ never got back to the HOF '14-'16 level few have ever reached in the first place
He's still a lot more capable than he's shown with Mayfield
Eli didn't make or break him
Just like Shockey, his attitude and poor judgement hold him back more than any opponent (and are why he's in the situation he's in right now)


well said
Everything the Browns touch turns to shit  
Gman11 : 9/14/2020 3:52 pm : link
Hmmm, maybe that's why they're called the Browns.
RE: Before we dance on the guys grave  
FStubbs : 9/14/2020 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14969920 GManinDC said:
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Keep in mind that he played through a sports hernia all last season, played in all 16 games and still had over 1000 yards.

He had off-season surgery and now is returning. And his QB sucks..


You've actually illustrated why I thought it was a good move to get rid of him when we did. It wasn't just the off field stuff. The injuries have taken their tool. Even his last year here, I didn't see the sustained burst he had early in his career that made him special. And without Eli throwing to him, now he's just a guy. Who is being paid like THE guy.

As far as Mayfield goes - he looked good his rookie year and hasn't since. I don't know if it's system, if his early success got to his head, or the NFL got the book on him after his first year.

Someone mentioned Darnold but Darnold's best receiver is Jamison Crowder. A little perspective between the two situations.
RE: I keep forgetting...  
djm : 9/14/2020 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14969771 BigBlueJ said:
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who was his QB again when he was rocking the world?


The same QB he couldn't wait to move on from? Yea, Eli held poor old Odell back. Sure he did!

Funny how those comments NEVER get revisited by EVERYONE who spouted that bullshit. Where are they know? Crickets...and it wasn't just Odell who hinted at this. Media types did too.
RE: I just don't really get it with  
djm : 9/14/2020 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14969853 ryanmkeane said:
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Mayfield. He's lingering on bust status.


One read wonder. Can make all the throws. Looks like a QB. Acts like a confident QB. Can't read defenses and just isn't the cerebral presence you need out there.

I loved him out of college, but Mayfield isn't looking long for the NFL starting game if this keeps up.
Zack Martin  
averagejoe : 9/14/2020 4:27 pm : link
was the correct pick all along
RE: So now Eli made Beckham better?  
djm : 9/14/2020 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14969966 GManinDC said:
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??


Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.

Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.
OBJ  
TyreeHelmet : 9/14/2020 4:29 pm : link
Agree with others that he clearly lost a step after the injury that was never regained. Still has the talent but its not that same breakaway ability.

Best move Gettleman ever made.
screw him  
uther99 : 9/14/2020 4:29 pm : link
ever since he ragged on Eli in his Lil Wayne interview, I lost all respect for OBJ. His actions to get attention were understandable, but you just don't do that to your current teammate, especially Eli.
RE: Zack Martin  
djm : 9/14/2020 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14970124 averagejoe said:
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was the correct pick all along


Donald.
RE: RE: So now Eli made Beckham better?  
GManinDC : 9/14/2020 4:36 pm : link
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??


Whoa, I never said Eli nexver helped Beckham. They were a great tandem but i think Beckham bought a lot more to the table those years than p[eope are giving him credit for.

Imagine if the Giants had a credible line that gave OBJ time to get through his breaks.



Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.

Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.
Cleveland was hanging tough early getting the ball to  
gtt350 : 9/14/2020 4:39 pm : link
Landry. then that stopped , maybe Beckum through a hissy fit and Mayfield started feeding Beckum to no avail
RE: RE: RE: So now Eli made Beckham better?  
djm : 9/14/2020 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14970148 GManinDC said:
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??


Whoa, I never said Eli nexver helped Beckham. They were a great tandem but i think Beckham bought a lot more to the table those years than p[eope are giving him credit for.

Imagine if the Giants had a credible line that gave OBJ time to get through his breaks.



Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.

Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.



Beckham was legendary good here from 14-16. Nothing short. Any fan who questions his level of play those 3 years doesn't know what they are looking at. He helped Eli too, No doubt.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah...whatever  
KingBlue : 9/14/2020 5:32 pm : link
I'm happy he is stuck in Cleveland. And I don't care if it's on Baker, Kitchens or his grandmother. I am happy to see his arrogant ass humbled. He is so Great, OMG, he is so great...pffft.
Even if OBJ isn't the main problem  
DieHard : 9/14/2020 5:32 pm : link
The Browns are spending an awful lot on a player whose success is heavily dependent on Baker "franchise" Mayfield.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So now Eli made Beckham better?  
GManinDC : 9/14/2020 6:05 pm : link
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??


Whoa, I never said Eli nexver helped Beckham. They were a great tandem but i think Beckham bought a lot more to the table those years than p[eope are giving him credit for.

Imagine if the Giants had a credible line that gave OBJ time to get through his breaks.



Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.

Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.





Beckham was legendary good here from 14-16. Nothing short. Any fan who questions his level of play those 3 years doesn't know what they are looking at. He helped Eli too, No doubt.




Thats the end. They were a legendary duo. I wish they had a better line and better coaching fter TC.

Eli suffered from not having a better line. So did Beckham..
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