3 catches, 22 yards.
65 million guaranteed at 18 million annually.
Obviously, this isn't working out well thus far in year two.
Given the state of the cap post COVID, a decision about their third year QB, former #1 pick overall, what the hell or the Brown's going to do here?
At his salary, he should be consistently putting up 1200/10 types of seasons. Ever since getting paid before the 2018 season, he is averaging a whopping 1043/5 over the past two years and for 2020, to get to 1200 yards, he would have to average 78 yards going forward.
What could they possibly get in a trade now for him?
Mayfield is in trouble this year if he doesn't step it up.
Eli at the tail end of his career and Baker leave little to be desired, sorry. I think it's more similar to Randy Moss when he played in Oakland.
OBJ doesn't look slow or anything out there. He can still play at a high level.
He did have 14 ypc last year, the volume was down - 133 targets vs his peak NYG targets of 169.
Seems like it just isn't a good fit there - coaching, the QB, them wanting to run more, etc.
He just isn't the same player.
How people can make firmly state conclusions on a kernel is more than I can comprehend (which is not saying all that much, but even so...).
He just isn't the same player.
This. He lost his explosiveness which allowed him to take slants to the house with the extra gear he had. He lost that gear. Now, he’s a good WR probably in the mold of Amari Cooper. That’s really the way I see him.
OBJ had 10 targets today and was completely taken out of the game by a CB on an island in man. He finished with 3 catches and 22 yards. This comes in a new system that is expected to get him in space and max his skill set. But is he the same player? What’s his trade value now?
Questions on regime’s overall process (mainly valuation of draft capital), but at what point do we get to say everyone who destroyed #Giants for OBJ trade were objectively wrong?
OBJ (+ his contract) and OV (+ his awful contract) FOR peppers, 1, 3, Zeitler.
It’s not even close.
If the #Giants had waited another year, and OBJ was in that Shurmur locker room for its final days with a QB change + a more spread the ball approach (eli targeted OBJ 165 times a year and he still hated being there by the end), I promise you his trade value would’ve plummeted.
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He just isn't the same player.
This. He lost his explosiveness which allowed him to take slants to the house with the extra gear he had. He lost that gear. Now, he’s a good WR probably in the mold of Amari Cooper. That’s really the way I see him.
I agree. He lost that extra gear with that lower leg injury. It made it easier for Getts to cut ties coupled with the attitude. I thought he migh recover that extra gear.... but he has not to this point.
I'm sure he will have big games this year against lesser Ds.
I'm sure he will have big games this year against lesser Ds.
Of course, but I don't think that really applies here when looking at it as a whole. WR's have bad games all the time and there usually isn't 1 specific reason. Gameflow, drops, shitty throws, etc are all factors.
A lot of this is Mayfield, though - he has been absolutely terrible. That bandwagon filled up way too quickly. A lot of really bad throws.
Beckham is better than his numbers in Cleveland show, but Gettleman did the right thing in retrospect.
And yep, I defended Beckham here for a long time.
I'm perfectly willing to accept when I am wrong.
A few more game's like yesterday I see a mental implosion again like we have all seen before. I hope for his sake it does not happen but we will see I guess.
I think it was actually early 3rd quarter. He dropped a pass and then went in for an IV "so he could get going," according to whoever gave the sideline report during the game. I've never seen a guy need so many IV's during games as Beckham does.
Glad to see you are back, hope all is well on your end.
Nevertheless, he still showed a lot of the same bad traits the developed in his game. Frustration on the field when ball doesn't come his way or team loses, angst when talking with coaches on sideline, etc. Mayfield clearly didn't look good so this is going nowhere fast.
One noticeable moment was he came back along the sidelines to catch a ball on a broken play. But he stepped out of bounds before catching it so it was overturned. When he took his helmet off on the sideline an assistant coach was talking to him and he kind of lost his sh_t in responding, kind of like he was explaining it was his fault.
same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.
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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.
same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.
I think we should make a team of Rosen, OBJ, Baker at DB, Trent Richardson at RB, and let Dodge be the kicker. We can build from there.
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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.
same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.
I think we should make a team of Rosen, OBJ, Baker at DB, Trent Richardson at RB, and let Dodge be the kicker. We can build from there.
Add in the 1st round pick we are due from the saints for Shockey and we’re cooking!
Glad to see you are back, hope all is well on your end.
Thanks, buddy. Same to you!
Odell looked disinterested most of the game, it was pretty sad to see actually, he's just a shell of what he could have been.
I'm also putting money on Miami lol
Having said that it’s clear Mayfield is part of the problem too. He hasn’t developed as I expected he might. Cleveland is screwed.
Could you imagine if all 3 guys in D from the OBJ trade have a big Gaa me? Not too shabby
Those were all on the same drive. He then failed to get open from coverage by Peters and Humphrey. In the end, he had 10 targets with just 22 yards to show for it.
Having said that it’s clear Mayfield is part of the problem too. He hasn’t developed as I expected he might. Cleveland is screwed.
His ankle breaking cuts just aren’t there anymore. His routes and ability to separate just aren’t there. Pair that with an inaccurate QB and the inability to hydrate and you got trouble.
Never heard of anyone outside heavy drinkers needing an IV as often as he does.
Odell has/had a great catch radius.
That, along with his separation, isn't what it used to be.
He had off-season surgery and now is returning. And his QB sucks..
Maybe Odell rebounds. He did play hurt (which we are told about... a lot). But how many more excuses does he get?
I think you are looking for a fight that isn't there. Beckham has his warts - is it a crime to also point to the bigger problem in Cleveland, the QB?
I wanted Beckham to work out here and it didn't. I've moved on from that. Doesn't mean everything he does is right or wrong.
The NFL pundit class? How about the Browns' front office. They drafted him with the #1 overall pick!
I said this right at the time: they could have drafted Barkley with #1 and still had the choice of a QB with #4. Imagine that!
I don’t think he made him better, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that Beckham had his best seasons with Manning, and also acknowledge that Beckham insinuated that Manning was holding him back.
It’s also fair to acknowledge, that in Manning’s long 16 year career, that there was never a WR or TE that went on to a better career elsewhere. Now I’m not saying that’s a pattern, there were a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.
It’s fair to acknowledge.
great talent. but not a guy who makes a team better and may not have been good for D Jones (ala Shockey & Eli)
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??
I don’t think he made him better, but I think it’s fair to acknowledge that Beckham had his best seasons with Manning, and also acknowledge that Beckham insinuated that Manning was holding him back.
It’s also fair to acknowledge, that in Manning’s long 16 year career, that there was never a WR or TE that went on to a better career elsewhere. Now I’m not saying that’s a pattern, there were a myriad of reasons, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence either.
It’s fair to acknowledge.
Britt, I agree with all your points. i can acknowledge al lof that.
The whole, no other player WR or TE played better when they left is full of reasons and yes it is a coincidence. Almost every single one of them left injured.
Eli was had some of the best skill position players almost throughout his career.
Even his very best: Plax, Nicks, Cruz.... were never considered “the” best. Except Beckham.
They were just very good “teams/units”. Other than OBJ, it’s not like we ever had Megatron on the roster.
He's still a lot more capable than he's shown with Mayfield
Eli didn't make or break him
Just like Shockey, his attitude and poor judgement hold him back more than any opponent (and are why he's in the situation he's in right now)
He's still a lot more capable than he's shown with Mayfield
Eli didn't make or break him
Just like Shockey, his attitude and poor judgement hold him back more than any opponent (and are why he's in the situation he's in right now)
well said
He had off-season surgery and now is returning. And his QB sucks..
You've actually illustrated why I thought it was a good move to get rid of him when we did. It wasn't just the off field stuff. The injuries have taken their tool. Even his last year here, I didn't see the sustained burst he had early in his career that made him special. And without Eli throwing to him, now he's just a guy. Who is being paid like THE guy.
As far as Mayfield goes - he looked good his rookie year and hasn't since. I don't know if it's system, if his early success got to his head, or the NFL got the book on him after his first year.
Someone mentioned Darnold but Darnold's best receiver is Jamison Crowder. A little perspective between the two situations.
The same QB he couldn't wait to move on from? Yea, Eli held poor old Odell back. Sure he did!
Funny how those comments NEVER get revisited by EVERYONE who spouted that bullshit. Where are they know? Crickets...and it wasn't just Odell who hinted at this. Media types did too.
One read wonder. Can make all the throws. Looks like a QB. Acts like a confident QB. Can't read defenses and just isn't the cerebral presence you need out there.
I loved him out of college, but Mayfield isn't looking long for the NFL starting game if this keeps up.
Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.
Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.
Best move Gettleman ever made.
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??
Whoa, I never said Eli nexver helped Beckham. They were a great tandem but i think Beckham bought a lot more to the table those years than p[eope are giving him credit for.
Imagine if the Giants had a credible line that gave OBJ time to get through his breaks.
Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.
Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??
Whoa, I never said Eli nexver helped Beckham. They were a great tandem but i think Beckham bought a lot more to the table those years than p[eope are giving him credit for.
Imagine if the Giants had a credible line that gave OBJ time to get through his breaks.
Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.
Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.
Beckham was legendary good here from 14-16. Nothing short. Any fan who questions his level of play those 3 years doesn't know what they are looking at. He helped Eli too, No doubt.
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I guess all those TD' she scored taking it to the house was and out running defense was all Eli??
Whoa, I never said Eli nexver helped Beckham. They were a great tandem but i think Beckham bought a lot more to the table those years than p[eope are giving him credit for.
Imagine if the Giants had a credible line that gave OBJ time to get through his breaks.
Eli was the QB changing plays at the LOS. Eli was the guy moving Beckham around and getting the offense into position to succeed.
Yes, Eli did help Beckham succeed because Beckham DID succeed here. It is that simple.
Beckham was legendary good here from 14-16. Nothing short. Any fan who questions his level of play those 3 years doesn't know what they are looking at. He helped Eli too, No doubt.
Thats the end. They were a legendary duo. I wish they had a better line and better coaching fter TC.
Eli suffered from not having a better line. So did Beckham..