NGT: OBJ

who was his QB again when he was rocking the world?

Have you seen some of the throws his way? Absolute garbage. Kind of hard to make catches when the ball is 10 feet over your head.

Mayfield is in trouble this year if he doesn't step it up.

with a good QB he is a 1,200 - 1,300 yard receiver.

Eli at the tail end of his career and Baker leave little to be desired, sorry. I think it's more similar to Randy Moss when he played in Oakland.

OBJ doesn't look slow or anything out there. He can still play at a high level.

it was 1 game vs a top defense and the game was over before the half. I'm guessing there's a few different reasons why it isn't working out.

He did have 14 ypc last year, the volume was down - 133 targets vs his peak NYG targets of 169.

Seems like it just isn't a good fit there - coaching, the QB, them wanting to run more, etc.

Had a few drops and did not separate really well yesterday.

He just isn't the same player.

It's one game, but Eli Beckham no injustice at all, if its not clear by now the problem was not Eli, it was the horrendous talent around him, whem will it? Jones performed well, he won 3 games.

is or, at least should be, the literal definition of small sample size.

How people can make firmly state conclusions on a kernel is more than I can comprehend (which is not saying all that much, but even so...).

In comment 14969784 Toth029 said:

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Had a few drops and did not separate really well yesterday. He just isn't the same player.

This. He lost his explosiveness which allowed him to take slants to the house with the extra gear he had. He lost that gear. Now, he’s a good WR probably in the mold of Amari Cooper. That’s really the way I see him.

THIS would be the year. I felt like posting this exact same sentiment yesterday. Talk about a rude awakening, and how great he had it here. He should apologize if this keeps up.

yesterday but apparently Odell also drew 3 penalties (two pass interference and one holding). Nothing earth shattering but the raw stats don't always tell the whole story. Apparently the bigger concern is that Mayfield looked pretty bad overall.

Watched on GP this AM. Just my two cents: Baker was a problem in this one, but OBJ's early 3rd and 2 drop was awful and critical (Browns needed a TD on that drive to stay alive). On him on run plays and pass attempts not in his direction, he seemed to be going through the motions

OBJ had 10 targets today and was completely taken out of the game by a CB on an island in man. He finished with 3 catches and 22 yards. This comes in a new system that is expected to get him in space and max his skill set. But is he the same player? What’s his trade value now?

Questions on regime’s overall process (mainly valuation of draft capital), but at what point do we get to say everyone who destroyed #Giants for OBJ trade were objectively wrong?
OBJ (+ his contract) and OV (+ his awful contract) FOR peppers, 1, 3, Zeitler.
It’s not even close.

If the #Giants had waited another year, and OBJ was in that Shurmur locker room for its final days with a QB change + a more spread the ball approach (eli targeted OBJ 165 times a year and he still hated being there by the end), I promise you his trade value would’ve plummeted.

In comment 14969798 Tuckrule said:

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In comment 14969784 Toth029 said: Quote: Had a few drops and did not separate really well yesterday. He just isn't the same player. This. He lost his explosiveness which allowed him to take slants to the house with the extra gear he had. He lost that gear. Now, he’s a good WR probably in the mold of Amari Cooper. That’s really the way I see him.

I agree. He lost that extra gear with that lower leg injury. It made it easier for Getts to cut ties coupled with the attitude. I thought he migh recover that extra gear.... but he has not to this point.

Mayfield has a ton of work to do. He regressed greatly last year and has show that adversity really flusters him. I'm not going to get on anyone for a Week 1 performance but they have the Bengals "at home" on Thursday. If they look like shit again then it will get ugly fast.

This was one of the best trades to date Gettleman has ever done. While it didn’t look it at the time, we absolutely won that trade with CLE. Sad to see he has never really returned to form as he was always entertaining to watch on the field. But he is no longer anything special. Only a matter of time at this rate before he starts throwing players over there under the bus, calls for a trade and uncommitment to to the team. He is not and never will be TEAM player. Giants did the right thing in moving on, I don’t wish him ill will and hope he can still prove us all wrong but those chances are becoming less and less each passing day.

But, isn't that when "Great players" are suppose to make plays? You can't drop that key first down pass.

I'm sure he will have big games this year against lesser Ds.

before the end of his career.

In comment 14969826 ZogZerg said:

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But, isn't that when "Great players" are suppose to make plays? You can't drop that key first down pass. I'm sure he will have big games this year against lesser Ds.

Of course, but I don't think that really applies here when looking at it as a whole. WR's have bad games all the time and there usually isn't 1 specific reason. Gameflow, drops, shitty throws, etc are all factors.

Unsure if anyone saw, but he went into the locker room early in the first half to get an IV.

The burst he had in 2016 is gone. I don't see that player anymore.

A lot of this is Mayfield, though - he has been absolutely terrible. That bandwagon filled up way too quickly. A lot of really bad throws.

Beckham is better than his numbers in Cleveland show, but Gettleman did the right thing in retrospect.

And yep, I defended Beckham here for a long time.

I'm perfectly willing to accept when I am wrong.

But with that said he is just not the player he was and or everyone touting him to be. He was a solid WR for us who made and incredible catch. His current QB still has many question marks IMO. And Baltimore is a tough go week one. I hope he can regain his elite status as a WR but I really don't see it happening.

A few more game's like yesterday I see a mental implosion again like we have all seen before. I hope for his sake it does not happen but we will see I guess.

He had 10 targets. Did you See the QB play. Mayfield was terrible

In comment 14969829 figgy2989 said:

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Unsure if anyone saw, but he went into the locker room early in the first half to get an IV.

I think it was actually early 3rd quarter. He dropped a pass and then went in for an IV "so he could get going," according to whoever gave the sideline report during the game. I've never seen a guy need so many IV's during games as Beckham does.

You are correct, it was the third.

Glad to see you are back, hope all is well on your end.

He would up with a bunch of targets (10) but thru the third qtr I think he only had a few. Maybe when the game was out of hand he saw the ball more?

Nevertheless, he still showed a lot of the same bad traits the developed in his game. Frustration on the field when ball doesn't come his way or team loses, angst when talking with coaches on sideline, etc. Mayfield clearly didn't look good so this is going nowhere fast.

One noticeable moment was he came back along the sidelines to catch a ball on a broken play. But he stepped out of bounds before catching it so it was overturned. When he took his helmet off on the sideline an assistant coach was talking to him and he kind of lost his sh_t in responding, kind of like he was explaining it was his fault.

wasn't his fault.

Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.

He was crazy good until all the other stuff got in the way & he got hurt. Damn shame.

In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said:

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Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists.

same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.

In comment 14969849 broadbandz said:

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In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists. same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality.

I think we should make a team of Rosen, OBJ, Baker at DB, Trent Richardson at RB, and let Dodge be the kicker. We can build from there.

Mayfield. He's lingering on bust status.

Are there two more overrated players than Mayfield and Beckham? Time for the NFL pundit class to admit Mayfield is not a good QB and Beckham's best years are now long behind him.

a year too early versus a year too late. That said, it's one game. Let's see what happens in the next 15.

accuracy is below average. He can't stand in the pocket and deliver a throw, he bails way too early. He's so manic back there. Even we saw with Jones last year, we had a shit OL and he was poised. Sometimes you can just tell.

looks bad, if you watch some of those throws, they are way off. He could have made maybe 1-2 of them, but the accuracy is not good.

is spelling it out pretty correctly today on TV. He's basically saying that the Browns roster is meant for a ground and pound, 1-2 read type QB play. Mayfield feels like he has to make a huge play every single down and it is killing them.

In comment 14969852 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 14969849 broadbandz said: Quote: In comment 14969847 PatersonPlank said: Quote: Some folks just can't admit when there were wrong. OBJ has joined a long list of WR's whose good years were with Eli. At this rate OBJ will be near the top of a lot of "biggest draft busts" lists. same people still think Rosen is a good QB. They cannot accept reality. I think we should make a team of Rosen, OBJ, Baker at DB, Trent Richardson at RB, and let Dodge be the kicker. We can build from there.

Add in the 1st round pick we are due from the saints for Shockey and we’re cooking!

and that game he’ll probably go off. He’s certainly not showing to be the top 5 receiver in the league anymore however.

Darnold and Mayfield are looking like average QBs at best, and Rosen has gotten lost in the shuffle. Josh Allen is developing nicely with a much better team and coaching staff. Overall though, that class doesn't appear worthy of the crazy hype it got, and Lamar wasn't even really part of the that hype.

Not enough dump offs between Mayfield and Beckham

made the right move at the time. Some just did not want to see it

In comment 14969840 figgy2989 said:

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You are correct, it was the third. Glad to see you are back, hope all is well on your end.

Thanks, buddy. Same to you!

To form, that ship sailed with the ankle injury. He's 27 and adding lower body injuries and apparently still doesn't understand hydration. I watched most of the game too, I was curious to see this great coach and great team and they got skunked. Freddie Kitchens is smiling somewhere.

Odell looked disinterested most of the game, it was pretty sad to see actually, he's just a shell of what he could have been.

In comment 14969827 Marianne at PSU said:

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before the end of his career.

I'm also putting money on Miami lol

He is clearly not the receiver he was early in his career with us. I noticed after his injuries he was no longer able to get separation from DB’s and he isn’t big enough to win many of those 50/50 balls.
Having said that it’s clear Mayfield is part of the problem too. He hasn’t developed as I expected he might. Cleveland is screwed.

might well end up being by far the best player involved in that trade.

In comment 14969893 Matt in SGS said:

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might well end up being by far the best player involved in that trade.

Could you imagine if all 3 guys in D from the OBJ trade have a big Gaa me? Not too shabby

In comment 14969812 Enzo said:

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yesterday but apparently Odell also drew 3 penalties (two pass interference and one holding). Nothing earth shattering but the raw stats don't always tell the whole story. Apparently the bigger concern is that Mayfield looked pretty bad overall.

Those were all on the same drive. He then failed to get open from coverage by Peters and Humphrey. In the end, he had 10 targets with just 22 yards to show for it.

In comment 14969889 Giant John said:

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He is clearly not the receiver he was early in his career with us. I noticed after his injuries he was no longer able to get separation from DB’s and he isn’t big enough to win many of those 50/50 balls. Having said that it’s clear Mayfield is part of the problem too. He hasn’t developed as I expected he might. Cleveland is screwed.

His ankle breaking cuts just aren’t there anymore. His routes and ability to separate just aren’t there. Pair that with an inaccurate QB and the inability to hydrate and you got trouble.

Never heard of anyone outside heavy drinkers needing an IV as often as he does.

In comment 14969860 ryanmkeane said:

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looks bad, if you watch some of those throws, they are way off. He could have made maybe 1-2 of them, but the accuracy is not good.

Odell has/had a great catch radius.

That, along with his separation, isn't what it used to be.

he beat his man deep twice and the ball was overthrown. Mayfield didn't play well.