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with the Knicks being connected to Pat Williams so often. That's getting too cutesy at 8.

In comment 14973512 Strahan91 said:

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From what I've seen shared on this board, he sounds like he's running the Tommy Dee playbook.

I actually met Tommy Dee once. His source was someone close to David Lee. Either Lee himself or his agent or friend or something.

Macri I think has some more credibility than Dee but not a ton. Weirdly enough the person I actually trust the most is Berman.

happened to that guy whose source was Courtney Lee? JKnicks or something. He completely fell off the radar, or mine at least.

In comment 14973519 DanMetroMan said:

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happened to that guy whose source was Courtney Lee? JKnicks or something. He completely fell off the radar, or mine at least.

He's posted a bit but Lee was definitely his main plug
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I'm all for getting Chris Paul but I would rather they keep Knox- even as bad as he's been. He just turned 21 and is 2 years away from being the 9th pick. I'd like to see him play the 4 next to Robinson for an extended period of time. Lets give him some time with a competent coaching staff. I think its pretty clear Fizdale was a terrible head coach. Has he had any buzz about the openings? I'd prefer a late 1st and/ or take on unwanted salary from them.

In comment 14973513 DanMetroMan said:

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wrote is implying those are 2 names the Knicks are discussing including. It's not suggesting their offer is those 2 and thats it.

wasnt trying to, thanks for keeping me honest..

As for Macri he doesnt over step his bounds, he is not trying to be woj, he shares bits and pieces

hyping up Knox?
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my point was he seems to do exactly what Tommy Dee used to do --- say he's "hearing" something that is extremely obvious like Thibs being the favorite for the Knicks job or that they're interested in Chris Paul. Then throw in some unimportant details to make it sound more reputable which can easily be written off if it doesn't come to fruition as things change during negotiations.

I'm wary of the character-type when they're trying to build a following for themselves to monetize. A bit too coincidental.

What spurred the post was that I saw a Utah beat writer was asked about a Randle-Conley trade rumor which I believe came from him and he said he hasn't heard anything close to that at all. So I guess my question is, has he actually had anything before everyone else what wasn't super obvious (IE, any one of us would've predicted the Thibs hire).

definitely uses some of these tidbits as clickbait for his newsletter, but overall he seems like a good dude.

As for the Randle/Paul rumor, that was the guys at KnicksFanTV. They have a lot of scouts on their show, so they probably got some bad intel from one of them. The real news there was a Randle trade being a top priority, which may still be the case. They also threw out Cassius Stanley and Robert Woodard as targets with the later pics, so we'll see how that goes.

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I like RJ, but it’s a bit disappointing that the third overall pick didn’t earn a spot. Hopefully he’s making strides with that jumper.

The saga continues.

In comment 14974619 bceagle05 said:

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The saga continues.

Bucks really have nothing to offer OKC..

I wonder if they trh for westbrook

think the Knicks are in the drivers seat here. The Sixers can only offer awful contracts and who else is there? Maybe the Suns.

think the Suns are the best fit. They want to clear Oubre, have the #10 pick and I think those 2 pieces are far more than I'd want to give up. For them, I get it.

Paul/Booker/Ayton would be a fun trio. Knicks figure to be right in the mix though.

are important to OKC unless they get a young player, it is the contracts and what kind of cap space they can get..

oubre and 10 paul is all yours..

The Knicks can't match that.

In comment 14972778 Enzo said:

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wouldn't be sad to see him go. Clearing that $4 million he's owed for 21/22 helps a little bit as well.

Guys like Randle are a dime a dozen. Yea he could probably help the Knicks with the right system and players around him, but he's replaceable. PLus it's not like the Knicks gave up anything for him in the first place.

Knox would be sting if he ever figured shit out, but what kind of player and ceiling are we really talking about? I can't envision any scenario where KNox is playing good defense. HE might develop into a good offensive 3-4, if he can find an outside shot, sure. He's pretty good (maybe) in the open floor, stumbles into a few rebounds, but the potential is limited. Not only does Knox not even try on D all that often, he sucks at it even when he does.

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The Knicks are expected to offer Raptors unrestricted free agent Fred VanVleet a hefty deal, worth over $22M per year, per league source.

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Chris Paul, Knicks trade that I had heard NY had lined up was: Elfrid Payton, Bobby Portis, Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox, 2021 2nd round pick via Hornets & 2021 2nd round pick via Mavs in exchange for CP3

it is 21 first from mavs top 5 protected

I'd rather give up Knox than Frank...but no way am I giving up both.

Now that we have a scout I actually believe in (Walt Perrin), I'd expect to find a guy in the 18-20 range of a deep draft who can help for years to come. I'd probably give up Knox and Frank before the Dallas pick at this point.

In comment 14974679 nygiants16 said:

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📍Brandon ‘Scoop B’ Robinson, M.A. @ScoopB Chris Paul, Knicks trade that I had heard NY had lined up was: Elfrid Payton, Bobby Portis, Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox, 2021 2nd round pick via Hornets & 2021 2nd round pick via Mavs in exchange for CP3

I can tell this is bullshit because there's 0 reason to include Payton and Portis unless the Thunder really want those players (unlikely). Don't need them as cap filler, the Knicks can just decline their options and absorb Paul into space.

In comment 14974720 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 14974679 nygiants16 said: Quote: 📍Brandon ‘Scoop B’ Robinson, M.A. @ScoopB Chris Paul, Knicks trade that I had heard NY had lined up was: Elfrid Payton, Bobby Portis, Frank Ntilikina, Kevin Knox, 2021 2nd round pick via Hornets & 2021 2nd round pick via Mavs in exchange for CP3 I can tell this is bullshit because there's 0 reason to include Payton and Portis unless the Thunder really want those players (unlikely). Don't need them as cap filler, the Knicks can just decline their options and absorb Paul into space.

Knicms could want to include them so they dont have 2 million of dead cap on their books, but other than that really no reason for okc to take them...

wants expirings they can use at the deadline? It gives them a little more flexibility than just straight up cap space. But other than that, I got nothing. Doesn't make a lot of sense for them to take back players when they can just dump a ton of Paul's money into space.

RJ Hampton had a video call with Knicks executives and scouts a few weeks ago. The call included team president Leon Rose and senior and executive vice president William ‘World Wide Wes’ Wesley.

Hampton hoped to get a clear message across to New York during the interview.

“I was a projected Top 5 pick last year. I went overseas, I learned a lot, I didn’t have superior numbers and I was kind of forgotten about,” Hampton said in an interview with SNY. “The message that I was trying to get across is, ‘I’m still that same player. I’m still that player that can get you 20-25 points, 6-7 assists, be that lead guard and a franchise changer.’”
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but im not giving up Knox, Frank, and a 1st. And i have zero hopes for knox and frank, just seems like a lot of "assets" for us to give away for an older PG on a huge deal. Again i really like the idea of getting Paul, but i dont think we should be trading 3 assets for him.

In comment 14974746 DanMetroMan said:

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RJ Hampton had a video call with Knicks executives and scouts a few weeks ago. The call included team president Leon Rose and senior and executive vice president William ‘World Wide Wes’ Wesley. Hampton hoped to get a clear message across to New York during the interview. “I was a projected Top 5 pick last year. I went overseas, I learned a lot, I didn’t have superior numbers and I was kind of forgotten about,” Hampton said in an interview with SNY. “The message that I was trying to get across is, ‘I’m still that same player. I’m still that player that can get you 20-25 points, 6-7 assists, be that lead guard and a franchise changer.’” Link - ( New Window )

He a guy you take a chance on in the 2nd round or that late first

cool giving away Knox, but I have a suspicion moving Frank will be one of those moves that comes back to bite us

In comment 14974790 Jon in NYC said:

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cool giving away Knox, but I have a suspicion moving Frank will be one of those moves that comes back to bite us

he certainly wouldn't be the first guy to go from being a bad shooter to being at least average. And if he can become average, that plus his defense makes him someone you can trust at the end of games.

In comment 14974790 Jon in NYC said:

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cool giving away Knox, but I have a suspicion moving Frank will be one of those moves that comes back to bite us

Agreed. If the kid can improve his shot and handle a bit he can be a great bench piece in this league for many years

In comment 14974788 Italianju said:

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but im not giving up Knox, Frank, and a 1st. And i have zero hopes for knox and frank, just seems like a lot of "assets" for us to give away for an older PG on a huge deal. Again i really like the idea of getting Paul, but i dont think we should be trading 3 assets for him.

I tend to agree. That’s a little more than I’d want to stomach.

In comment 14973515 DanMetroMan said:

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with the Knicks being connected to Pat Williams so often. That's getting too cutesy at 8.

Here we go...

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Suddenly Florida State forward Patrick Williams has emerged as a serious candidate for the eighth overall pick for the Knicks.

"The [New York] Knicks might be one of the only teams that could be a fit for Westbrook."

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(Via Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report)

Has to be included for Salary? Am I wrong?

In comment 14975427 Carl in CT said:

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Has to be included for Salary? Am I wrong?

He does not.

"Once the Knicks enter the 2020-21 offseason, they have the ability to create close to $45 million in cap space. That means they could absorb Chris Paul’s massive $41 million salary without needing to send much back to Oklahoma City."

sleeper option
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Age 35? Pass.

In comment 14975461 Carl in CT said:

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Age 35? Pass.

Rj and mitch, the 8th pick, whatever else they add in free agency..

Adding Paul is not just about on the court

In comment 14975461 Carl in CT said:

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Age 35? Pass.

He is 35. He was also named 2nd team all NBA, so....

Will be gone up to 2019 RJB. So when do we start the rebuild?

In comment 14975471 Carl in CT said:

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Will be gone up to 2019 RJB. So when do we start the rebuild?

Huh? you can do both, there are ways to rebuild and compete, tanking doesnt work..you dont tank your way into being a championship contender..

RJ and Mitch are your building blocks, it doesnt matter mitch was a 2nd tound pick

Knox and Frank for 2 years? Maybe 3 (Stretch) of Paul? Here comes Stevie Francis part 2.

Are not good enough to be your building blocks.

In comment 14975471 Carl in CT said:

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Will be gone up to 2019 RJB. So when do we start the rebuild?

The new rules killed tanking. Adding Paul doesn't hurt anything with our rebuild, aside from making the team better. He wont take too many assets to get and wouldn't be taking time from anyone.

Wanna tank a shortened season and see what kind of young core we can build? Great.

Wanna go after CP3 in a reasonable trade? Fine. I’ll watch a CP3/RJ/Mitch/Vassell (or whomever at #8) starting lineup next year.

is a “big-time priority.”