NFT: Knicks Chat

Vorkunov with the Athletic interviewed the Thunder Beat writer, who said Knox and Frank straight up for Paul would get it done. I'd do that.

to trade CP3 - his client at the time - to the Knicks last year. That would lead you to believev we're gonna make a big push for him. The only X-factor is CP3 himself - will OKC accommodate him if he asks for a trade to Milwaukee or Philly instead?

want to come to this franchise? Just because of his connection to Rose? Doesn't he want to win

They trade Embiid right?

If it is Knkx and Frank for Paul, done deal..

but good player. They can give that team expirings, future pick or whatever and then send that player to GSW for # 2. Not sure if that is doable, depends what level of player GSW would be expecting i guess.

chance Knox turns into a good player, but I still don't want to just toss him into a trade for a 35-year-old PG on creaky knees. Same goes for Frank. I just don't see a ton of upside in bringing Paul here...so why include guys who are (currently) cheap and might turn into something? I'd rather just stay a bad team, as long as they're a competent bad team.

- The Bucks owner can tell Giannis they will spend until they are blue in the face, but didn't letting Brogdon walk show them they won't go all in? That team is going to be hard to improve- if I'm Giannis I play out the year and re-assess.

- I'm sure the Knicks want CP3 and I think it would be a good move. But I'm not sure why the Knicks would be a top choice for Paul.

- Ringer mock draft has the Knicks taking Patrick Wlliams from FSU. I would be targetting Haliburton and Vasell at 8. Thoughts?
- Would also love to see the Knicks move down to 9-13. Maybe the Suns, Kings, or Pelicans give up a future 1st? Probably a pipe dream.
- Rockets have no shot at trading Westbrook. 3 years and 130 million coming. The only scenario I could see is for Blake Griffin. But why would detroit do that? I still think there is an outside shot Houston fully blows it up and trades Harden.

That said, the counter-argument is he can help the young guys really develop. If that is true (and I have my doubts), it might be worth it.

For the most part I've leaned toward acquiring him if OKC is practically giving him away, but the likelihood of a shortened season has me reconsidering. If we're just playing a 50-game schedule or something, it makes more sense just to throw the young guys out there. See what you have in terms of a young foundation when the smoke clears after the 2021 draft.

for NYK using its cap space to make a trade to give financial relief to another team and get compensated for it (for example: Mike Conley, Tobias Harris) and if that compensation were "right" you might be able to come up with an attractive trade. However, there is almost no compensation that is sufficient to take on Westbrook's contract commitment.

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for NYK using its cap space to make a trade to give financial relief to another team and get compensated for it (for example: Mike Conley, Tobias Harris) and if that compensation were "right" you might be able to come up with an attractive trade. However, there is almost no compensation that is sufficient to take on Westbrook's contract commitment.

You can't take on Harris unless they are seriously sweetening it for you. 4 years left and he'll be making 40 million in 2024! Not a fan of this guy and it would be hard pass.

They have picks 14, 26 and 30, and I can't imagine a championship contender adding three rookies to the roster.

I like him a lot but taking that contract on is too much.
Rather look to VanVleet and Christian Wood for the 40+ million CP3 is getting.

Also no on trading up with GS it's been rumored that the Knicks are one of those teams talking to GS and I am not 100% sold on Ball to give up multiple picks for him.

Hard no thanks.

In comment 14969882 TyreeHelmet said:

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In comment 14969872 NYG22 said: Quote: for NYK using its cap space to make a trade to give financial relief to another team and get compensated for it (for example: Mike Conley, Tobias Harris) and if that compensation were "right" you might be able to come up with an attractive trade. However, there is almost no compensation that is sufficient to take on Westbrook's contract commitment. You can't take on Harris unless they are seriously sweetening it for you. 4 years left and he'll be making 40 million in 2024! Not a fan of this guy and it would be hard pass.

Yep, I mentioned the sweetener concept.

Something like:

Harris + 21st pick in 2020 + a 2022 first rounder + Zhaire Smith

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Julius Randle + DSJ

This paves the way for:

PG: FVV, Tyrese Halliburton (pick 8), Grant Riller (pick 27)

SG: RJ Barrett, Frank Ntilikina, Zhaire Smith

SF: Saddiq Bey (pick 21), Reggie Bullock, Knox/Iggy

PF: Tobias Harris, Kenny Wooten

C: Mitch Robinson, Taj Gibson, Xavier Tillman (pick 37)

That obviously not a contender or close, but that is a young team with a slew of shooters, defenders and guys that "get after it".

I go back and forth on him but definitely wouldn't give up anything of real value (which for me mean some combination of Knox, 27, 38, and/or DSJ (in decreasing order of value)).

It's hard for me to say yes or no without knowing how realistic other PG options, but I think we need a competent PG as a minimum to let the young guys develop. Someone like DJ Augustin as a minimum if not Paul/Conley.

& the Bucks official Twitter account?

Seems telling.

I think, with him and others, people are underestimating:

-lack of teams with cap room to absorb a large contract
-how much financial hurt no home games (paid attendance) put on teams

but Westbrook is extremely scary for a team like this. 3 whopper years left on his deal and his game is so predicated on AA. He's over 30. I mean look, if you told me right now the KNicks find a way to get Westbrook and another star and found a way to round out the roster? I guess i'd make peace with things, but I don't know. I'd just as soon sign Paul who has one less year and doesn't need to rely on insane AA to flourish. Plus he's proven to be a player that elevates those around him. Not that RW is some selfish slob out there, but Paul just seems such a no brainer if they can fill out the team around him.

I will say this, the more I think of it the more I am convinced the Knicks won't waste much time in going big game hunting. They have a lot of chips here that weren't drafted or cultivated by this regime. It's going to happen. Guys are getting dealt.

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but Westbrook is extremely scary for a team like this. 3 whopper years left on his deal and his game is so predicated on AA. He's over 30. I mean look, if you told me right now the KNicks find a way to get Westbrook and another star and found a way to round out the roster? I guess i'd make peace with things, but I don't know. I'd just as soon sign Paul who has one less year and doesn't need to rely on insane AA to flourish. Plus he's proven to be a player that elevates those around him. Not that RW is some selfish slob out there, but Paul just seems such a no brainer if they can fill out the team around him. I will say this, the more I think of it the more I am convinced the Knicks won't waste much time in going big game hunting. They have a lot of chips here that weren't drafted or cultivated by this regime. It's going to happen. Guys are getting dealt.

Westbrook is a really bad idea for so many reasons:

1. the contract
2. his age and his reliance on great athletic ability
3. the fact that he is among the worst shooters at the guard spot in the league
4. his play style inhibits team play and growth of young players
5. he is a turnover machine
6. HOU doesn't have young assets to compensate a trade partner to take on that contract

has 2 years left on his deal.

We are really that concerned with a 2 year deal? Are the Knicks going to be able to sign or acquire a better player that has the same number of years and one that requires less assets in return? That's the million dollar question. If you can get Paul for trash, you arent getting or equal player for less than that. And 2 years?

If you want the Knicks to get better without subtracting much if anything in return, paul is your guy.

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has 2 years left on his deal. We are really that concerned with a 2 year deal? Are the Knicks going to be able to sign or acquire a better player that has the same number of years and one that requires less assets in return? That's the million dollar question. If you can get Paul for trash, you arent getting or equal player for less than that. And 2 years? If you want the Knicks to get better without subtracting much if anything in return, paul is your guy.

if we're just throwing crappy vets on expiring deals into a trade, then I can see it. But I don't want to give up anything resembling a young asset. Even if it's a clown like DSJ. Whatever upside you get with Paul is not worth the risk one of these guys turns into an actual player with 8-9 years in the league ahead of him.

The Knicks have to take advantage this off-season that they are one of 3 teams that can take salary. They blew it last offseason, let's hope this mgmt team is smarter and more savvy.

In comment 14970013 Pete44 said:

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The Knicks have to take advantage this off-season that they are one of 3 teams that can take salary. They blew it last offseason, let's hope this mgmt team is smarter and more savvy.

Pete, have you heard any rumblings lately about they have in mind?

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have to question why Paul would want to come here unless it's his only option. I'm not saying he fully gets to pick but I doubt OKC is going to fuck him over nor is Leon looking to trade for a guy who doesn't want to be here.

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& the Bucks official Twitter account? Seems telling.

He deleted ALL but 8 accounts. The teammate's thing was all hype. He follows only his family now.

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In comment 14970005 djm said: Quote: has 2 years left on his deal. We are really that concerned with a 2 year deal? Are the Knicks going to be able to sign or acquire a better player that has the same number of years and one that requires less assets in return? That's the million dollar question. If you can get Paul for trash, you arent getting or equal player for less than that. And 2 years? If you want the Knicks to get better without subtracting much if anything in return, paul is your guy. if we're just throwing crappy vets on expiring deals into a trade, then I can see it. But I don't want to give up anything resembling a young asset. Even if it's a clown like DSJ. Whatever upside you get with Paul is not worth the risk one of these guys turns into an actual player with 8-9 years in the league ahead of him.

Knox ok fine, to me DSJ is utterly and totally worthless. I get your point though, I want Paul with the caveat that he doesn't cost us shit.

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In comment 14970005 djm said: Quote: has 2 years left on his deal. We are really that concerned with a 2 year deal? Are the Knicks going to be able to sign or acquire a better player that has the same number of years and one that requires less assets in return? That's the million dollar question. If you can get Paul for trash, you arent getting or equal player for less than that. And 2 years? If you want the Knicks to get better without subtracting much if anything in return, paul is your guy. if we're just throwing crappy vets on expiring deals into a trade, then I can see it. But I don't want to give up anything resembling a young asset. Even if it's a clown like DSJ. Whatever upside you get with Paul is not worth the risk one of these guys turns into an actual player with 8-9 years in the league ahead of him.

I get your point but I think DSJ is close to being out of the league. He has negative value. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see DSJ becoming a player.

I understand Paul's age and he has had injuries. But the guy is a legendary point guard who was close to a top 5 player this season. And he's an excellent defender and distributor.

I'm really surprised by fans reluctance to pursue him. I get he's paid alot but I think it will hard to match a player of his caliber even with cap space. I love FVV and get the age/ cost difference, but CP3 is a lot better than him.

To me if you can get him for expirings and 1 low level asset- its a no brainer. Only 2 years left and he'll still only be 36...

pursue Chris Paul. It's why the hell would he want to play for the Knicks? At least OKC had some talent around him. If he comes here that means they had to give up assets to acquire him thus giving him a shittier supporting cast on an already terrible team.

I really see now reason why or how it happens. Another pipe dream to keep Knick fans interested.

That has us getting rid of Randle and DSJ is something we HAVE to do. ANY scenario. That's how caustic and toxic those two have become. I am neutral on CP3, it depends on the package, really. Don't kill me, but I am slightly positive on Russ... but we need to get rid of all our detritus in the package AND have a boatload of picks and young talent coming in as well. That said, I don't really see it happening. I think it might be too big of a splash, with the cries of, "Same-o, same-o," again.

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pursue Chris Paul. It's why the hell would he want to play for the Knicks?

I think this will be the deciding factor. OKC will show him the proper respect and not banish him to the bottom of the league. He'll probably end up in Milwaukee or Philly, which is cool with me.

suggested the Knicks go after Harrel.

Could not be a stronger pass. He's -42 in the playoffs and that's including a game in which he was +34. He's being exposed in major ways. There are much better ways to be spending our money.

they have (or will be hiring) yet another assistant coach. I don't pay for the Athletic but Vorkunov implied as much in a tweet. Anyone with access?

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In comment 14969882 TyreeHelmet said: Quote: In comment 14969872 NYG22 said: Quote: for NYK using its cap space to make a trade to give financial relief to another team and get compensated for it (for example: Mike Conley, Tobias Harris) and if that compensation were "right" you might be able to come up with an attractive trade. However, there is almost no compensation that is sufficient to take on Westbrook's contract commitment. You can't take on Harris unless they are seriously sweetening it for you. 4 years left and he'll be making 40 million in 2024! Not a fan of this guy and it would be hard pass. Yep, I mentioned the sweetener concept. Something like: Harris + 21st pick in 2020 + a 2022 first rounder + Zhaire Smith for Julius Randle + DSJ This paves the way for: PG: FVV, Tyrese Halliburton (pick 8), Grant Riller (pick 27) SG: RJ Barrett, Frank Ntilikina, Zhaire Smith SF: Saddiq Bey (pick 21), Reggie Bullock, Knox/Iggy PF: Tobias Harris, Kenny Wooten C: Mitch Robinson, Taj Gibson, Xavier Tillman (pick 37) That obviously not a contender or close, but that is a young team with a slew of shooters, defenders and guys that "get after it".

I think Bey is a stud and would be a great pick at 8

love to take on a contract and get another 1st round pick. While this draft is not top heavy, there are some solid players you will be able to get in the teens and 20s. Would have to come out of this draft with a PG and a 3 and D type

Macri,

Knicks building an offer around Randle and Knox for Paul.

I'm all in for that. Surprised that Thunder couldn't get more, but I do think Randle has more value in the eyes of opposing teams than for us. I also have to imagine Paul has given his blessing on coming to the Knicks if we're even going to make an offer.

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Macri, Knicks building an offer around Randle and Knox for Paul. I'm all in for that. Surprised that Thunder couldn't get more, but I do think Randle has more value in the eyes of opposing teams than for us. I also have to imagine Paul has given his blessing on coming to the Knicks if we're even going to make an offer.

I'm pretty down on Randle, but to me it makes more sense to keep him if you're bringing in Paul. Let Paul help to rebuild some of his value. Let OKC take on the likes of Portis and Payton if they need expirings.

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In comment 14972732 Jon in NYC said: Quote: Macri, Knicks building an offer around Randle and Knox for Paul. I'm all in for that. Surprised that Thunder couldn't get more, but I do think Randle has more value in the eyes of opposing teams than for us. I also have to imagine Paul has given his blessing on coming to the Knicks if we're even going to make an offer. I'm pretty down on Randle, but to me it makes more sense to keep him if you're bringing in Paul. Let Paul help to rebuild some of his value. Let OKC take on the likes of Portis and Payton if they need expirings.

Only disagreement is that every minute Randle is here hurts the development of RJ and Mitch. Including Randle in the trade also allows them an extra 20 mil in cap room this summer to add another piece (Wood,FVV,Bertans?)

wouldn't be sad to see him go. Clearing that $4 million he's owed for 21/22 helps a little bit as well.

dude but awesome passer, I'd be in

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The Knicks have scouted Facundo Campazzo, per @NYPost_Berman

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dude but awesome passer, I'd be in NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 19h The Knicks have scouted Facundo Campazzo, per @NYPost_Berman

Thibs loves short PGs for whatever reason. Aaron Brooks, DJ Augustin, Nate Robinson, im sure there are more. He also seems like a ton of fun to watch play. I'd be in at the right price.

just highlights, he's not particularly young, weird shot and small... but man can he pass and he's a good finisher for his size.

In comment 14973161 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 14973151 DanMetroMan said: Quote: dude but awesome passer, I'd be in NBA Central @TheNBACentral · 19h The Knicks have scouted Facundo Campazzo, per @NYPost_Berman Thibs loves short PGs for whatever reason. Aaron Brooks, DJ Augustin, Nate Robinson, im sure there are more. He also seems like a ton of fun to watch play. I'd be in at the right price.

it's sort of a Moneyball approach to filling the spot. There's a ton of them out there, they're usually cheap, and given the rules in the modern NBA - a decent one can prop up your offense.

A tiny PG could get targeted/attacked in the playoffs but nothing we need to be concerned about at this point...

Knicks offer being discussed internally is randle and knox for Paul...He is hearing Paul isnopen to coming to the Knicks mainly becaise of Rose..

Knicks wont get into bidding war

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Knicks offer being discussed internally is randle and knox for Paul...He is hearing Paul isnopen to coming to the Knicks mainly becaise of Rose.. Knicks wont get into bidding war

Unless I missed something, that's not what he said.

"According to multiple sources familiar with the Knicks thinking, New York is readying initial offers to potentially bring the Point God to the Mecca. Julius Randle and Kevin Knox are two names I’m hearing are involved in internal discussions. "

Meaning those are 2 names he's heard internal discussions. Not that the Knicks offer is those 2.

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In comment 14973473 nygiants16 said: Quote: Knicks offer being discussed internally is randle and knox for Paul...He is hearing Paul isnopen to coming to the Knicks mainly becaise of Rose.. Knicks wont get into bidding war Unless I missed something, that's not what he said. "According to multiple sources familiar with the Knicks thinking, New York is readying initial offers to potentially bring the Point God to the Mecca. Julius Randle and Kevin Knox are two names I’m hearing are involved in internal discussions. " Meaning those are 2 names he's heard internal discussions. Not that the Knicks offer is those 2.

Isnt that exactly what i said